I don't know if I'm the only one, but I believe that Mosley can beat Mayweather!

Fair enough Game. I have always thought Shane in his prime was as good as anyone in his weight division. An awesome combination of speed nd power. I have alot of respect for Oscar for having fought the competition that he has. I also am not saying Shane is on top the world after beating Vargas. But both him and Oscar just have knockout punching ability....and they are smart. So the potential is there for either of them getting Floyd.

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Also Mosley is a very talented fighter who INO isn't over the hill yet & will use what he has to his advantage in a fight with PBF?

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it would be a great fight.....who knows....SSM definitely has a legitimate shot..

Lord Gym, I said he has not beaten any GREAT fighters. And in my humble opinion...none of the fighters you mentioned are great fighters. The fact that you even mention Judah is hilarious. And Mitchell?! Castillo and Corrales are both very good fighters who are entertaining...but they are not in the same league as someone like Shane and Oscar.

Oscar avoided Mayweather like the flu when they were both at weight. moving right on past Mayweather to avoid that fight back in the day.. give me a break... And Castillo is a “great” fighter ! As is Corrales who at the time was supposed to be the one to own Mayweather relect back in time baby .. I remember Corrales just beat his wife, and Mayweather bought her front seats for that fight and told her.. "Watch what I do to wife beaters ! " it was great. don't give me that Floyd aint fought nobody B.S it don‘t hold water , If they ever became nobodies It was only after Floyd took their asses to school ! . Your going to see a lot more nobodies in the near future as Mayweather continues his reign of terror. Regards

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IWO, Mosley is the greatest fighter of this decade.

He's amazing in the ring & in his weight class...I believe that he is unbeatable...but let me back peddle & say this...he needs to stay in his reachable weight classes before he get's ko'd.

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Do you mean Mayweather is the greatest fighter of this decade. Not that Shane isn't one of the greatest but I would have assumed you would have rated Hopkins, Mayweather, and Oscar over him so that surprised me a bit.

As far as Mosley-Mayweather, I don't know, I think Vargas made Mosley look a bit better than maybe he really is at this stage in his career but its still an interesting fight. Now if they had fought at 135 that would have been interesting cause Mosley, even though he didn't really fight any great 135 pounders, definitely seemed like a monster at that weight. I guess I'd lean towards a Mayweather decision now but Mosley is a dangerous fight for PBF.

Settle down Gym...you are getting a little to excited. Oscar avoided Floyd? Sure, whatever you say buddy. "Corrales who at the time was supposed to be the one to own Mayweather relect back in time baby." According to who? i certainly never thought Corrales was going to "own" Floyd. And Floyd got Corrales's wife front row seats to beat him up?! Wow, I guess that makes him a great boxer. As I stated earlier, I think Floyd is very talented fighter. But he simply has not fought the caliber of opponents that he should be to be considered the "pond for pound" king. "Your going to see a lot more nobodies in the near future as Mayweather continues his reign of terror." That kind of ridiculous tallk and hype belongs in the HBO broadcast booth. Maybe Floyd can fight a few more Gatti type fighters....then he can declare himself the greatest of all time.

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Settle down Gym...you are getting a little to excited. Oscar avoided Floyd? Sure, whatever you say buddy. "Corrales who at the time was supposed to be the one to own Mayweather relect back in time baby." According to who? i certainly never thought Corrales was going to "own" Floyd. And Floyd got Corrales's wife front row seats to beat him up?! Wow, I guess that makes him a great boxer. As I stated earlier, I think Floyd is very talented fighter. But he simply has not fought the caliber of opponents that he should be to be considered the "pond for pound" king. "Your going to see a lot more nobodies in the near future as Mayweather continues his reign of terror." That kind of ridiculous tallk and hype belongs in the HBO broadcast booth. Maybe Floyd can fight a few more Gatti type fighters....then he can declare himself the greatest of all time.

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LOL.. I love it ! CC for the effort ! :coolclick:

A friendly back and forth discussion. CC back at you!

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Oscar's last fight at 130 was in 1994, PBF didn't become a pro until 1996. By that time Oscar was at 140, PBF wasn't at 140 until 2004. So I don't really understand the Oscar avoided Mayweather thing.

But he did fight very good competition in his early years, I do agree with that. But I don't see how Oscar avoided him back in the day.

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Can I remind the people...

(And I am in boxing training)

When your tired, worn out from flurries and jabs,

And you find it difficult to chase someone,

Thats when your tired,

And have nothing to go on,

Thats when you can get hurt (standing up) or simply knocked to the

canvas out of sheer tiredness.

Now I have half the experience (no canvas treatment yet)

And thats what will/may happen to Shane.

THE END

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Well done for stating the obvious.

Simple, if Floyd cant knock out a tired Glass Jaw Judah, hes not gonna "easily TKO Shane"

I seem to remember a sticky moment when Floyd got caught by Demarcus Corley...

How would Floyd's legs feel if Sugar Shane landed a crushing punch? at147 too?

Hell, this fight could even happen at 154 - as Mayweather was fast to point out he would happily fight at 140,147 and 154.

Do you Floyd supporters think it would wise to tackle Shane at 154, seeing as he's swam that deep for a while now?

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I seem to remember a sticky moment when Floyd got caught by Demarcus Corley...

How would Floyd's legs feel if Sugar Shane landed a crushing punch? at147 too?

Hell, this fight could even happen at 154 - as Mayweather was fast to point out he would happily fight at 140,147 and 154.

Do you Floyd supporters think it would wise to tackle Shane at 154, seeing as he's swam that deep for a while now?

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I swear this has got to be the most naive form of logic by boxing fans when discussing fighters. That because a fighter is stunned by a fighter with limited power, every other fighter who is stronger will either also stun him or KO him. If this were the case, Ali would have been floored by every other fighter he fought after Chuck Wepner dropped him. I also find it amusing this sense that Mosley somehow has any, let alone a huge, power advantage over Floyd. That Floyd will simply crumble under the power of Nutrasweet Shane Mosley. Need I remind you the man has 1 KO in the past five years? I don't care what weight he was fighting at. Floyd ain't Adrian Stone. I know Floyd won't disgard of Mosley either, but people need to stop thinking Mosley is going to overpower Mayweather. Mayweather will literally embarrass him.

Samson, if Floyd can "embarrass" the likes of Mosely's and De la Hoya's instead of Gatti's and Mitchell's...i'll give him his props. And you are right...Shane hasn't been a knockout artist recently. But i think his power and speed will hardly allow Floyd to embarrass him. I think it would be an exciting fight.

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Samson, if Floyd can "embarrass" the likes of Mosely's and De la Hoya's instead of Gatti's and Mitchell's...i'll give him his props. And you are right...Shane hasn't been a knockout artist recently. But i think his power and speed will hardly allow Floyd to embarrass him. I think it would be an exciting fight.

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Definately agree it's time for Floyd to step up the comp from the likes of Gatti and co., but believe me, embarrassing Mosley would not only be easy for Floyd, it would not really be all that big a deal as far as notches in Mayweather's belt. Mosley causes as much fear in opponents as John Ruiz.

Shane would be a dangerous opponent for Floyd, but if the fight was @ 154 I feel Floyd would still have most advantages, bar power. At 147 Floyd's speed, defense & counter punching ability would dominate, I feel Floyd is at a better stage of his career right now than Mosley, people here are criticising Floyds calibre of opponents which is crazy, Mosley's record as far back as January 2002 has been crap, his only decent win was a disputed decision over Oscar. Floyd win this fight!!!

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Shane would be a dangerous opponent for Floyd, but if the fight was @ 154 I feel Floyd would still have most advantages, bar power. At 147 Floyd's speed, defense & counter punching ability would dominate, I feel Floyd is at a better stage of his career right now than Mosley, people here are criticising Floyds calibre of opponents which is crazy, Mosley's record as far back as January 2002 has been crap, his only decent win was a disputed decision over Oscar. Floyd win this fight!!!

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agreed.....but as long as a fighter has 2 fists and a good heart beat he stands a chance...that was from Rocky 5 I think...but I love that quote....

Mosely should fight Forrest again.

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That would be logical for Mosley

But Vernon doesnt deserve the mega bucks fight after that robbery of Quartey.

Was Mosley just being nice when he said to Mayweather "why dont you leave me alone and go fight Margarito for 8 million;" or is it that Mosley's promoter is promoting his toughest guys for Margarito.

It seems to me since Mosley is not so sure of himself as some of us are then maybe he could fight Cintron who knocked out the guy that Mosley struggled a bit with? I think Cintron would be a good warm up for his promised move back to welterweight.

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That would be logical for Mosley

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vernon has a style that debugs Shane Mosley no matter how shot he is(and I dont think Forrest is shot)

For me the Actual Mosley can cause PBF problems but not a win maybe an upset with his mental state right now but the earlier version of Mosley I think would have the Close UD.

i dont think mosley can beat floyd

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You couldn't justify Hatton beating Kostya before they fought based on his resume, but he won, BECAUSE HE WAS BETTER. Floyd is better than Shane.

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. . .In your opinion maybe . But if Shane had fought the guys Floyds been fighting then he'd be undefeated too . Can we say the same for Floyd ? I dont think so .

If he fought Vargas id be very surprised if he could lay him out with 1 punch Floyd cant even wobble a chinny Zab Judah but he got floored himself . Lets not forget Floyds only undefeated on paper . He could have been d.q'd against Judah and Castillo beat him fair and square but was robbed .

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You couldn't justify Hatton beating Kostya before they fought based on his resume, but he won, BECAUSE HE WAS BETTER. Floyd is better than Shane.

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. . .In your opinion maybe . But if Shane had fought the guys Floyds been fighting then he'd be undefeated too . Can we say the same for Floyd ? I dont think so .

If he fought Vargas id be very surprised if he could lay him out with 1 punch Floyd cant even wobble a chinny Zab Judah but he got floored himself . Lets not forget Floyds only undefeated on paper . He could have been d.q'd against Judah and Castillo beat him fair and square but was robbed .

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1. youre kidding yourself if you think mayweather would lose to vernon forrest

2. the reason mayweather wasnt dq against judah is because the ref called time BEFORE roger jumped in the ring(if you knew anything about boxing, you would know that tere is nothing wrong with that)

3. castillo lost that fight (which was a VERY close fight with a pre-prime mayweather) and just to shut up the critics (people like you), he beat him more convincingly in a rematch

4. zab got his ass handed to him in a boxing clinic by floyd (not every fight has to be a ko)

5. floyds glove touching the canvas should have been scored a knockdown, but for you to make some dumb ass, ignorant statement like he "got floored" shows what a hater you are

Floyd beating Zab Judah doesn't mean a thing to me. Zab, aside from his glass jaw, is incredibly weak mentally. Floyd took care of business against a weaker opponent (and he still got tagged early). As far as Vernon not having a "chance" against Floyd....how the hell would you know?! It always amazes me how people assume a fighter can just have an easy time against any other fighter. Sometimes a fighter can be up against an opponent that is not as physically gifted, but might give stylistic problems. Not saying Floyd would not beat Vernon...but I just don't assume that. No one can doubt Floyd's talents...but he needs to step up against some stiffer competition before he can claim he is the best.

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Floyd beating Zab Judah doesn't mean a thing to me. Zab, aside from his glass jaw, is incredibly weak mentally. Floyd took care of business against a weaker opponent (and he still got tagged early). As far as Vernon not having a "chance" against Floyd....how the hell would you know?! It always amazes me how people assume a fighter can just have an easy time against any other fighter. Sometimes a fighter can be up against an opponent that is not as physically gifted, but might give stylistic problems. Not saying Floyd would not beat Vernon...but I just don't assume that. No one can doubt Floyd's talents...but he needs to step up against some stiffer competition before he can claim he is the best.

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the reason i know that forrest gets whipped by floyd is simple.
i saw vernon forrest on saturday. thats it
i do feel that bazooka would be a VERY dangerous fight for floyd down the line, though

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You couldn't justify Hatton beating Kostya before they fought based on his resume, but he won, BECAUSE HE WAS BETTER. Floyd is better than Shane.

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. . .In your opinion maybe . But if Shane had fought the guys Floyds been fighting then he'd be undefeated too . Can we say the same for Floyd ? I dont think so .

If he fought Vargas id be very surprised if he could lay him out with 1 punch Floyd cant even wobble a chinny Zab Judah but he got floored himself . Lets not forget Floyds only undefeated on paper . He could have been d.q'd against Judah and Castillo beat him fair and square but was robbed .

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1. youre kidding yourself if you think mayweather would lose to vernon forrest

2. the reason mayweather wasnt dq against judah is because the ref called time BEFORE roger jumped in the ring(if you knew anything about boxing, you would know that tere is nothing wrong with that)

3. castillo lost that fight (which was a VERY close fight with a pre-prime mayweather) and just to shut up the critics (people like you), he beat him more convincingly in a rematch

4. zab got his a** handed to him in a boxing clinic by floyd (not every fight has to be a ko)

5. floyds glove touching the canvas should have been scored a knockdown, but for you to make some dumb a**, ignorant statement like he "got floored" shows what a hater you are

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1. Maybe you are kidding yourself by hanging onto Floyds nuts

2. Therefore its perfectly acceptable for anyones cornerman to come into the ring and throttle the opponent until they can no longer breathe ::** nice logic

3. Floyd got outspeeded early and dropped but Zab notorioulsy suffers from lack of concentration - ref / Baldimor and Tszyu

4. I can see it still hurts ;D your boy got exposed and its just a matter of time until he gets beat . Thats why he wont fight anyone good cuz he knows his limitations

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. . .In your opinion maybe . But if Shane had fought the guys Floyds been fighting then he'd be undefeated too . Can we say the same for Floyd ? I dont think so .

If he fought Vargas id be very surprised if he could lay him out with 1 punch Floyd cant even wobble a chinny Zab Judah but he got floored himself . Lets not forget Floyds only undefeated on paper . He could have been d.q'd against Judah and Castillo beat him fair and square but was robbed .

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1. youre kidding yourself if you think mayweather would lose to vernon forrest

2. the reason mayweather wasnt dq against judah is because the ref called time BEFORE roger jumped in the ring(if you knew anything about boxing, you would know that tere is nothing wrong with that)

3. castillo lost that fight (which was a VERY close fight with a pre-prime mayweather) and just to shut up the critics (people like you), he beat him more convincingly in a rematch

4. zab got his a** handed to him in a boxing clinic by floyd (not every fight has to be a ko)

5. floyds glove touching the canvas should have been scored a knockdown, but for you to make some dumb a**, ignorant statement like he "got floored" shows what a hater you are

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1. Maybe you are kidding yourself by hanging onto Floyds nuts

2. Therefore its perfectly acceptable for anyones cornerman to come into the ring and throttle the opponent until they can no longer breathe ::** nice logic

3. Floyd got outspeeded early and dropped but Zab notorioulsy suffers from lack of concentration - ref / Baldimor and Tszyu

4. I can see it still hurts ;D your boy got exposed and its just a matter of time until he gets beat . Thats why he wont fight anyone good cuz he knows his limitations

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yeah, floyd was exposed in that fight ::**

I don't know about PBF being exposed but if he is to fight Corey Spinks,it would be surprising and a further example of him hand picking opponents so they suit his style. I mean a fight with Rivera would be far far far more exciting and more PPV worthy than a fight with Spinks...and assuming he does not fight Baldo,there is NO way anyone can call him the best at 147. Even the most ardent of fans can see that he is picking and choosing opponents far too much! When was the last time we thought when we heard the fight being announced that yeah,it should be a tough one for Floyd.....even JLC was not that well known at the time(he was not P4P top 20)at the time!
I think more peeps are starting to awaken to this,and I have not lied here or hated,I have used facts(or at least tried to!)

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. . .In your opinion maybe . But if Shane had fought the guys Floyds been fighting then he'd be undefeated too . Can we say the same for Floyd ? I dont think so .

If he fought Vargas id be very surprised if he could lay him out with 1 punch Floyd cant even wobble a chinny Zab Judah but he got floored himself . Lets not forget Floyds only undefeated on paper . He could have been d.q'd against Judah and Castillo beat him fair and square but was robbed .

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1. youre kidding yourself if you think mayweather would lose to vernon forrest

2. the reason mayweather wasnt dq against judah is because the ref called time BEFORE roger jumped in the ring(if you knew anything about boxing, you would know that tere is nothing wrong with that)

3. castillo lost that fight (which was a VERY close fight with a pre-prime mayweather) and just to shut up the critics (people like you), he beat him more convincingly in a rematch

4. zab got his a** handed to him in a boxing clinic by floyd (not every fight has to be a ko)

5. floyds glove touching the canvas should have been scored a knockdown, but for you to make some dumb a**, ignorant statement like he "got floored" shows what a hater you are

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1. Maybe you are kidding yourself by hanging onto Floyds nuts

2. Therefore its perfectly acceptable for anyones cornerman to come into the ring and throttle the opponent until they can no longer breathe ::** nice logic

3. Floyd got outspeeded early and dropped but Zab notorioulsy suffers from lack of concentration - ref / Baldimor and Tszyu

4. I can see it still hurts ;D your boy got exposed and its just a matter of time until he gets beat . Thats why he wont fight anyone good cuz he knows his limitations

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It's funny how you guy's don't consider stamina as a part of boxing. I read things such as "If Zab would not have gotten tired he would have won the fight" or "if Zab would have stayed focused he would have won the fight. People these things are a part of boxing. If Lacy would not have taken 1000 punches against JC he would have won the fight, if Hearns was not hit by a big punch against Barkley he would have won the fight, if Tyson was not crazy he would have won numerous fights he lost. That's a part of boxing not an excuse. Besides the only reason Zab got tired was because he used all his energy in an early fight spurt, if Floyd would have decided that he wanted to jump in with a fast start an go for broke he would have taken the early rounds, damn Zab only won three rounds (maybe four) in the whole fight, why are there so many formulas as to why he lost.

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It's funny how you guy's don't consider stamina as a part of boxing. I read things such as "If Zab would not have gotten tired he would have won the fight" or "if Zab would have stayed focused he would have won the fight. People these things are a part of boxing. If Lacy would not have taken 1000 punches against JC he would have won the fight, if Hearns was not hit by a big punch against Barkley he would have won the fight, if Tyson was not crazy he would have won numerous fights he lost. That's a part of boxing not an excuse. Besides the only reason Zab got tired was because he used all his energy in an early fight spurt, if Floyd would have decided that he wanted to jump in with a fast start an go for broke he would have taken the early rounds, damn Zab only won three rounds (maybe four) in the whole fight, why are there so many formulas as to why he lost.

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if Floyd would have decided that he wanted to jump in with a fast start an go for broke he would have taken the early rounds, damn Zab only won three rounds (maybe four)

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if Floyd would have decided that he wanted to jump in with a fast start an go for broke he would have taken the early rounds, damn Zab only won three rounds (maybe four)

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Actually thats the reason Zab won those early rounds, because Mayweather DID try a fast start and knock Judah out and Judah was able to counter him, only when Floyd settled down did he start to take control.

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if Floyd would have decided that he wanted to jump in with a fast start an go for broke he would have taken the early rounds, damn Zab only won three rounds (maybe four)

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Actually thats the reason Zab won those early rounds, because Mayweather DID try a fast start and knock Judah out and Judah was able to counter him, only when Floyd settled down did he start to take control.

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I highly doubt Mayweather was trying to KO him,I think he was just thinking,working Judah out.

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I think he was trying to get a spectacular knockout that he would reach Judah's chin early. Mayweather works people out by watching them and seeins what they do and countering, not by going after them. Mayweather was trying to go after Judah and Judah countered him. But Mayweather then layed back by about the 5th round and then he settled down, and thats when he started figuring and working Judah out. Did a good job of it too.

If Mosley or ODH fights PBF at 154 they have the advantage & have a better chance of winning by KO cuz INO 154 for Floyd is treading deep waters

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If Mosley or ODH fights PBF at 154 they have the advantage & have a better chance of winning by KO cuz INO 154 for Floyd is treading deep waters

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CC agreed,and if Oscar is smart,that is where the fight will take place. It will maximise his advanatages and will allow him to walk through Floyd's shots.

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If Mosley or ODH fights PBF at 154 they have the advantage & have a better chance of winning by KO cuz INO 154 for Floyd is treading deep waters

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CC agreed,and if Oscar is smart,that is where the fight will take place. It will maximise his advanatages and will allow him to walk through Floyd's shots.

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I don't know bro, I just think Floyd's at a better point in his career than Oscar. Be a great fight though!