Oscar talking ishhhh about the great RJJ!!!!!!!

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I could care less for eother one of them but truth be told...DLH has always sought out the best and Jones has always sought out the safest....As for Oscars comments on Roy being KO'd and it never happening toI think that was to prove a point that though DLH may have lost some fights he was man enough to take a loss while Jones spent more time ducking opp than proving his worth

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Couldn't ;)

If you could care less it must you must care about them... :P

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Are we so bored Adam with this topic we have to fix my grammer?......Where were you funny guy when I needed you in College??? ??? LOL

*generic 'with your sister'* comment :P

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Originally Posted by yoitsdan

People will back RJJ but 'y'all musta forgot' RJJ is one of the most arrogant and egotistical and also annoying talkers in boxing, and I much prefer oscar to roy.

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:coolclick: Well said. Agreed. It's all in preference.

The thing is...Jones got all this mess started...Oscar's done a lot more for HBO period that Jones has or ever will...that's the thing I think everyone is missing. When your'e trying to sell a promotion that hinges on or around break neck amounts of money...your ass needs to be in the building at the pressers manning up & jawing face to face...not training or playing basket ball or choking chickens.

Come the fwock on people.

Both are great fighters...both have great ego's...one has a fwockin huge chip on his shoulder.

You do the math.

All that being said, Roy is still 10x the fighter Oscar is :)

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Originally Posted by raleights

All that being said, Roy is still 10x the fighter Oscar is :)

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Please.

He's faster & he's better at counting light bulbs...that's it. ;D

Man! F#*k Roy Jones, He's an arrogant asshole, who still acts like he undefeated, he better check his record before he gets his a** handed to him again. Sure RJJ was lighting fast, had incredible reflexes and good power, in his prime.... but he never had a chin, once his reflexes started to slow down and he started getting hit, unlike Ali who had a simular problem after his return from exile in the 60's, Ali's reflexes were no where near as sharp as they had been, yet Ali remained sucessful in the ring because of his ability to take a punch. Roy's chin is weak, and as Merchant and Lampley have both stated Roy was the only fighter HBO allowed to pick his fights, he would go thru a list and say O.K. OR NO!!! And as far as RJJ fighting Oscar, JONES IS A NATURALLY BIGGER MAN, so its a little unfair to say Oscar was ducking Roy, and Oscar never ducked anyone in his weight class, Jones can't say that. Also Jones was the head speaker or m.c. whatever at the world premiere of Ray Robinson's BRIGHT LIGHTS AND DARK SHADOWS in New York City a few yrs back, and he was trash talking the REAL SUGAR MAN, saying that he was the greatest fighter ever and that Robinson had multiple fights with opponents because he did'nt whup em enuff, and nobody wants RJ again after he's done wit them, the last I checked Robinson had over 200 pro fights and was never KTFO, and Robinson fought a who's who in his career, So RJ as he calls himself or Roy Jones Jr better take a reality check on his self.

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this may sound cheezy, but when i was at the RJJ vs John Ruiz fight at the thomas and mack center that night RJJ gave me alot of hope and inspiration, cause i was going thru some BS at the time. RJJ a former middle weight champ going all the way up to HW to win the belt really inspired me got me through what i was going thru at the time. After seeing his performance with my own eyes sitting there with a stadium full of fans I say RJJ can say and do whatever the F he wants even if it may be percieved as being arrogant or cocky. that night he could be the cockiest man on the planet and deserved to be!

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Beating Ruiz was no great feat, a fat, bloated jelly like James Toney did it too, know if Roy had Beaten Lennox Lewis, then I would be impressed.

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...the last I checked Robinson had over 200 pro fights and was never KTFO, and Robinson fought a who's who in his career, So RJ as he calls himself or Roy Jones Jr better take a reality check on his self.

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Very well stated. :coolclick:

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this may sound cheezy, but when i was at the RJJ vs John Ruiz fight at the thomas and mack center that night RJJ gave me alot of hope and inspiration, cause i was going thru some BS at the time. RJJ a former middle weight champ going all the way up to HW to win the belt really inspired me got me through what i was going thru at the time. After seeing his performance with my own eyes sitting there with a stadium full of fans I say RJJ can say and do whatever the F he wants even if it may be percieved as being arrogant or cocky. that night he could be the cockiest man on the planet and deserved to be!

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Beating Ruiz was no great feat, a fat, bloadded jelly like James Toney did it too, know if Roy had Beaten Lennox Lewis I would be impressed

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Agreed...again...but I think that what TheBESTP4P is saying is that Jones did just the right thing at just the right time for him...which many fighters do for their fans.

That being said...Roy faced just the right fighter at just the right time when he fought Ruiz. Had Roy manned up & faced Lewis...he would have been beaten.

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All that being said, Roy is still 10x the fighter Oscar is :)

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Please.

He's faster & he's better at counting light bulbs...that's it. ;D

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Who the hell are you to say counting light bulbs doesn't add to a fighters skillset. Most fighters can't even count, much less lightbulbs!

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All that being said, Roy is still 10x the fighter Oscar is :)

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Please.

He's faster & he's better at counting light bulbs...that's it. ;D

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Who the hell are you to say counting light bulbs doesn't add to a fighters skillset. Most fighters can't even count, much less lightbulbs!

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Heh heh heh. I'll buy that for a dollar. ;D

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Originally Posted by galaxy76

Hopkins, Toney & McCallum are the only only great fighters Jones faced. DLH fought Hernandez, Chavez, Whitaker, Trinidad & Mosley.

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yea and he lost to Trinidad and Mosely , had a very close one with Whitaker that some say Oscar should have lost, and Chavez was over the hill

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Originally Posted by galaxy76

Hopkins, Toney & McCallum are the only only great fighters Jones faced. DLH fought Hernandez, Chavez, Whitaker, Trinidad & Mosley.

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yea and he lost to Trinidad and Mosely , had a very close one with Whitaker that some say Oscar should have lost, and Chavez was over the hill

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Beat Trinidad but was robbed, robbed again in the 2nd Mosley fight, & Chavez is a legend. Toney was weight drained, McCallum was way over the hill, Hopkins was the one he fought near his best.

I think both fighters are all time greats. I like ODH and am rather indifferent to RJJ. I thought ODH got robbed against Mosely2 and Tito, but I also felt he lost to Sweat Pea and Sturm. I really felt that Oscar has no business fighting over 154 and maybe not 147 for that matter. As far as P4P rankings I'd probably put RJJ slightly ahead of ODH, but had ODH spent more time at Lightweight where I think he was the most dominant I might change that. In the end ODH fought just about every top fighter of his generation minus Tzyu. RJJ did his legacy a great disservice by fighting in a weak divsion against little known opposition. Once RJJ became a LHW Roy never fought Calzaghe/ottke/Darius, any of the top super middles or middles and never fought any of the top cruisers like Tiozzo. Its very conceivable he would have destroyed all of those guys with ease as well but we will never know. To me RJJ showed us great talent and ODH showed us great fights.

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I think both fighters are all time greats. I like ODH and am rather indifferent to RJJ. I thought ODH got robbed against Mosely2 and Tito, but I also felt he lost to Sweat Pea and Sturm. I really felt that Oscar has no business fighting over 154 and maybe not 147 for that matter. As far as P4P rankings I'd probably put RJJ slightly ahead of ODH, but had ODH spent more time at Lightweight where I think he was the most dominant I might change that. In the end ODH fought just about every top fighter of his generation minus Tzyu. RJJ did his legacy a great disservice by fighting in a weak divsion against little known opposition. Once RJJ became a LHW Roy never fought Calzaghe/ottke/Darius, any of the top super middles or middles and never fought any of the top cruisers like Tiozzo. Its very conceivable he would have destroyed all of those guys with ease as well but we will never know. To me RJJ showed us great talent and ODH showed us great fights.

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cc bro excellent points, I agree with everything you said except about Whitaker I thought Oscar won that one.

Roy jones is definetly the better fighter because of his god gifted talent, he is also the more self-centered and egotistical of the two. He is a man who has so long talked of himself in the third person that when he looks into the mirror he has to be introduced to himself. Jones from begining had no interest in helping his sport, little interest in hyping his events and a lot of interest in demanding big guarantees, after which he seldom cooperated with the people paying them. also he has said the most ludicrous things over the years the most recent of which was when he was asked of his one-sided loss to Tarver, he claimed that he threw the fight just so his dad wouldn't bask in the glory his victory would have brought. Once considered the pound-for-pound most talented boxer in the world, he has become a circus act often disrespecting his opponents and everyone he came in contact with. He was difficult in the way divas are difficult and eventually it made him distasteful to deal with. when he took the job of announcer at HBO (a job which netted him 5.6 million dollars a year) it was customary for the announcer to meet up for production meetings and prefight meetings. But jones claimed that since he was roy jones, the insight he brings as fighter is much superior to the ones being discussed at these meeting. When roy started his promotional company he signed winky wright and wright always complained how roy never got him the big fights and never lifted a finger to promote the fights. Oscar has done more for the sport than roy, Roy has noone to blame but himself.

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Originally Posted by chamiley

Roy jones is definetly the better fighter because of his god gifted talent, he is also the more self-centered and egotistical of the two. He is a man who has so long talked of himself in the third person that when he looks into the mirror he has to be introduced to himself. Jones from begining had no interest in helping his sport, little interest in hyping his events and a lot of interest in demanding big guarantees, after which he seldom cooperated with the people paying them. also he has said the most ludicrous things over the years the most recent of which was when he was asked of his one-sided loss to Tarver, he claimed that he threw the fight just so his dad wouldn't bask in the glory his victory would have brought. Once considered the pound-for-pound most talented boxer in the world, he has become a circus act often disrespecting his opponents and everyone he came in contact with. He was difficult in the way divas are difficult and eventually it made him distasteful to deal with. when he took the job of announcer at HBO (a job which netted him 5.6 million dollars a year) it was customary for the announcer to meet up for production meetings and prefight meetings. But jones claimed that since he was roy jones, the insight he brings as fighter is much superior to the ones being discussed at these meeting. When roy started his promotional company he signed winky wright and wright always complained how roy never got him the big fights and never lifted a finger to promote the fights. Oscar has done more for the sport than roy, Roy has noone to blame but himself.

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CC Great points bro & all absolutely true!!!

I respect Oscar for holding his peace for that long you can only turn the other cheek but so much. Oscar did look for the best and fought the best and Roy Jones did duck some ppl, but the ppl that Roy duck he would of still dominated them. We cant forget that even though Roy fought a hopkins of 10 yrs ago he beat him with a broken right hand. Oscar is humble and Roy likes to talk trash that is there personality I still don't think Roy talks as much as Floyd,but in all honesty Oscar needs to be quiet cause he talking trash to someone who could end his career.

Oh yeah I'm not sure if it was Oscar but does anyone recall the event when Oscar was talking about Mike Tyson saying he is bad for the sport but Tyson got by his bodyguard than Oscar shut up or something along those lines. I can't remember the details so I don't want to mislead anyone cause it was long time ago like after the Clifford Etienne fight.

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In my opinion it's hard to call Oscar humble. He may not of been as overt with his ego as Roy, but he still has as big if not a bigger ego. The guy has how many kids he treats as if they dont exist? (sorry this makes you a piss poor human being) How often do you hear about Oscar donating any of his money to other fighters who can barely afford to survive? Roy has, and not just with Gerald Mcclelland - as Mike Tyson has donated money to alot more than just 1 fighter. Deep down I think Roy is a genuinely good guy who made some bad decisions with how he promoted himself and if he could of gone back in time to change it all I'm sure he would. The trash talking is irrelevant, Ali did it and everyone praises him for it - and Ali isn't the beginning of a pimple on the ass of Roy Jones

So maybe on the outside Roy seems like an asshole, but it's hard to deny the good intentions. Oscar whether you like to believe it or not is a snake concerned with only one thing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, even though you have to give him props for taking all the dangerous fights

Did I mention Oscar has chicken legs? ;D

Respect that post and I can understand where you are coming from and that is the second time I have heard that about Oscar cause my trainer says Oscar has a bad personality off the screen.I don't know if it is true but that is the second time I heard him being called a snake.

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In my opinion it's hard to call Oscar humble. He may not of been as overt with his ego as Roy, but he still has as big if not a bigger ego. The guy has how many kids he treats as if they dont exist? (sorry this makes you a piss poor human being) How often do you hear about Oscar donating any of his money to other fighters who can barely afford to survive? Roy has, and not just with Gerald Mcclelland - as Mike Tyson has donated money to alot more than just 1 fighter. Deep down I think Roy is a genuinely good guy who made some bad decisions with how he promoted himself and if he could of gone back in time to change it all I'm sure he would. The trash talking is irrelevant, Ali did it and everyone praises him for it - and Ali isn't the beginning of a pimple on the ass of Roy Jones

So maybe on the outside Roy seems like an asshole, but it's hard to deny the good intentions. Oscar whether you like to believe it or not is a snake concerned with only one thing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, even though you have to give him props for taking all the dangerous fights

Did I mention Oscar has chicken legs? ;D

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actually Oscar wrote a check to the late levander johnson's family after his demise the media speculated it to be around 5 to 7 million dollars. Oscar donated a huge piece of land to the government for building of a high school in a poor neighbourhood in california. he started the Oscar de la hoya foundation which gives tution money to underpriveledged kids who can't afford to pay for post-secondary. he donated 5 million dollars to the cancer society in his mother's name, also gave 1 million dollar to a children's hospital. On thanksgiving he donates turkeys to the poor and on christmas he gives toys to the neighborhood kids. These are just a little of what I know, oscar has probably given more. I think it is safe to say oscar is more generous and does more to help his community and his sport

Which is a good thing, but I can just see some suit advising him to do some of that to help his PR, or just keep the government off his back in general. Wonder how much of that goes to his kids that he ignores entirely ???

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Oscar is a little bitch. If he and Roy were even close to the same weight class, he would know what it is like to be dominated, humiliated and knocked out cold. I woulda loved to see Roy crush Oscar. And its just ignorant to suggest that Roy was dominated in the Tarver loss, he was winning every second up until that one in a million punch KO'd him. If you wanna say he was dominated, bring up the Johnson fight, if you are a hater. Roy is the Greatest of all time, and beat all his rivals in his prime. Oscar lost to many of his.

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theres at least 2 Extremely worthy opponents he never fought that he should have

but as far as greatest of ALL time ?? what did he do that people like Roberto Duran and Ali didnt do?

Won something like 6 titles at 4 different weights?

Calling Roy the heavyweight Champion of the world is as ridiculous as calling Oscar the middleweight champion of the world. Neither of them won legitamate belts in those respective divisions.

I agree with what Samson is saying but then Floyd hasnt really beat the number 1 in each division either neither have afew other fighters so its up for debate .Winning the heavyweight title from starting off at middle is a big achievement but whats not mentioned is that he was beating the worst heavyweight of all time.

If Oscar beat Nard that would have been a greater achievement cuz Bernard was a long time established number 1 unlike Ruiz .

Over their careers though , Oscar came back from defeat better . He has never been dominated like Jones and with the exception of Trinidad , Oscar didnt run in his big fights . On the otherhand Jones was the classier guy . Hes the one who looked invincible during his peak and was p4p number 1 for a good while

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but then Floyd hasnt really beat the number 1 in each division

Game I never want to go against what your saying cause u da man, but Hernandez was #1 at Jr. Light when Floyd beat him, Diego Corrales was #1 as well at Jr. Light & so was Castillo at lightweight..

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Originally Posted by atomic bull

...the last I checked Robinson had over 200 pro fights and was never KTFO, and Robinson fought a who's who in his career, So RJ as he calls himself or Roy Jones Jr better take a reality check on his self.

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But in his last fight he was dropped and almost stopped by a guy with about 5 KO's ::** even the greatest falter in the twilight of their careers, you act like Roy was supposed to be an exception ::**

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*generic 'with your sister'* comment :P

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If you seen what she looked like you would feel ashamed of youself...Unless your into the hairy lip thing...Now Me and mom alone

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Oscar is a little bitch. If he and Roy were even close to the same weight class, he would know what it is like to be dominated, humiliated and knocked out cold. I woulda loved to see Roy crush Oscar. And its just ignorant to suggest that Roy was dominated in the Tarver loss, he was winning every second up until that one in a million punch KO'd him. If you wanna say he was dominated, bring up the Johnson fight, if you are a hater. Roy is the Greatest of all time, and beat all his rivals in his prime. Oscar lost to many of his.

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theres at least 2 Extremely worthy opponents he never fought that he should have

but as far as greatest of ALL time ?? what did he do that people like Roberto Duran and Ali didnt do?

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What Eubank? Eubank said himself he never wanted to fight Roy Jones and MADE SURE he didn't.

And if you mean Benn. Benn ducked James Toney, so Roy fought him and we saw what Roy did to James.

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Oscar is a little bitch. If he and Roy were even close to the same weight class, he would know what it is like to be dominated, humiliated and knocked out cold. I woulda loved to see Roy crush Oscar. And its just ignorant to suggest that Roy was dominated in the Tarver loss, he was winning every second up until that one in a million punch KO'd him. If you wanna say he was dominated, bring up the Johnson fight, if you are a hater. Roy is the Greatest of all time, and beat all his rivals in his prime. Oscar lost to many of his.

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theres at least 2 Extremely worthy opponents he never fought that he should have

but as far as greatest of ALL time ?? what did he do that people like Roberto Duran and Ali didnt do?

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What Eubank? Eubank said himself he never wanted to fight Roy Jones and MADE SURE he didn't.

And if you mean Benn. Benn ducked James Toney, so Roy fought him and we saw what Roy did to James.

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Shiiiiiiiiiiit babe. ive been to 3 RJJ fights but id trade them all to be at the James Toney fight. Now that was beautiful!!!!!!!!

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true but RJJ was so pissed because he said he had to go up and fight a HW and win the crown to gurantee himself 10million when Oscar gets 10million for fighting CAMPOS Fin CAMPOS ahahaha. so yeah i agree with roy there a former middleweight champ going up to win the HW crown should get more than a welterweight fighting CAMPOS haahahha.

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As much as I dislike Oscar he got paid because people wanted to see him fight, he had and still has a ton of star power, that's the only thing you can compare, in the ring though there is no comparison. But outside of the ring he was the biggest non heavyweight draw in history.

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This here is exactly why HBO backed Oscar to the fullest. He brings the people out like no Non Heavyweight ever could and sells out the gate. As great as RJJ was he never was the box office draw that Oscar still is and he does fail at promoting his own fights.

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In my opinion it's hard to call Oscar humble. He may not of been as overt with his ego as Roy, but he still has as big if not a bigger ego. The guy has how many kids he treats as if they dont exist? (sorry this makes you a piss poor human being) How often do you hear about Oscar donating any of his money to other fighters who can barely afford to survive? Roy has, and not just with Gerald Mcclelland - as Mike Tyson has donated money to alot more than just 1 fighter. Deep down I think Roy is a genuinely good guy who made some bad decisions with how he promoted himself and if he could of gone back in time to change it all I'm sure he would. The trash talking is irrelevant, Ali did it and everyone praises him for it - and Ali isn't the beginning of a pimple on the a** of Roy Jones

So maybe on the outside Roy seems like an asshole, but it's hard to deny the good intentions. Oscar whether you like to believe it or not is a snake concerned with only one thing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, even though you have to give him props for taking all the dangerous fights

Did I mention Oscar has chicken legs? ;D

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actually Oscar wrote a check to the late levander johnson's family after his demise the media speculated it to be around 5 to 7 million dollars. Oscar donated a huge piece of land to the government for building of a high school in a poor neighbourhood in california. he started the Oscar de la hoya foundation which gives tution money to underpriveledged kids who can't afford to pay for post-secondary. he donated 5 million dollars to the cancer society in his mother's name, also gave 1 million dollar to a children's hospital. On thanksgiving he donates turkeys to the poor and on christmas he gives toys to the neighborhood kids. These are just a little of what I know, oscar has probably given more. I think it is safe to say oscar is more generous and does more to help his community and his sport

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I agree 100%! Also he is taking back boxing and making it possible for fighters to work without depending on fighting till they injure themselves. His Golden Boy Promotions is making it possible for fighters to fight without having to depend on snakes such as Don King & Bob Arum. You have Mosley, Hopkins MAB working for him and I'm sure their are jobs for others. RJJ & ODH are both great fighters but Oscar has done more for boxing than RJJ could ever do. I'm not being biased but the facts prove this point.

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Well Oscar, nobody is questioning whether or not Jones threw his knockout losses ;)

And if Roy had stuck around at 154 from his pro debut and you had fought him YOU would have been knocked out.

And also Oscar Felix Sturm dominated you pretty easily, Bernard Hopkins dominated you too. And so did Shane Mosley, after an even first 6 rounds you were dominated in 6 straight rounds by Shane Mosley if thats not getting dominated I dont know what is. Roy never had 3 decisions handed to him by HBO and why? because the greatest fighters of his decade who Roy fought he dominated and he BEAT Bernard Hopkins who you got knocked out by a body shot. I've Never seen Roy RUN when he was dropped by Lou Del Valle, he got up and fought harder. You got caught in the body by Trinidad and ran the last 3 rounds

Oscar, no matter if you are a bigger draw then Roy Jones Jr, you will never ever BE Roy Jones Jr, in the history of boxing he will be ranked above you.

So shut up Oscar, stop trying to be the Baller27 of the boxing world, Roy(not Josh) IS harder then you..and you just have to deal with it.

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actually no, Oscar was never dominated, a fat bloated DLH IMO lost to Sturm but it was close, you could even argue for it to be a draw, Hopkins he won basically the first 5 or 6 rounds and then Hopkins, the naturally bigger man then imposed his strength and gradually took out DLH, Mosley in no way dominated, the first fight was very competitive and Mosley although he won clearly it wasn't by much, the second fight DLH clearly won and was robbed big time. Wanna bring up the Jones beating Hopkins, yea he did, he beat the Bernard Hopkins of ten years ago, not the P4P king of the middleweight division that easily dominated both men that have KO'd Jones. Jones would have lost his third fight against Tarver by KO also he was just lucky that Tarver got over anxious and fell through the ropes.

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I didn't mention the whipping Pernell Whitaker put on him.

I also don't remember Roy needing the judges to hand him fights he lost. Roy was much more dominant when the spotlight came on. And Oscar wasn't even close to Roy on p4p lists and never would be.

Oscar has been dominated by Mosley, it was even. And then Oscar lost 6 rounds in a row, that's not being dominated ???

The Felix Sturn DLH fight WASN'T close. Sturm dominated DLH pretty easily. And Oscar got handed a decision he didn't deserve, can you name me one fight Roy had in which he got handed a decision he didn't deserve? If you want to bring up the Firts Tarver fight(which Roy won clearly) he dominated the last 3 rounds when faced with adversity, and what did DLH do? ran....

And you say Roy was lucky not to get knocked out by Tarver in the third fight? If Tarver hadn't fell over the ropes that Roy would have been KO'd? Well then if Quartey and Whitaker wouldn't have been robbed, then Oscar would have 2 more losses wouldn't he?

So what if it was the Hopkins of 10 years ago? Fact is the fight was 10 YEARS AGO!! And Roy(for a supposed glass chin) took Hopkins best shots at a time when Hopkins fought a style that went for the knockout each and every round. Do you think Hopkins would have ever outboxed Roy Jones jr? Remember it was the Roy Jones Jr of 10 years ago too, Roy was as finished a product as Hopkins was and both didn't hit their style peak until later on.

Roy took Hopkins best shots and didn't fall, and Oscar got knocked out.

And like I said, nobody questioned Roy or thought he threw his knockout losses. People question DLH's because of the shot from Hopkins. And I've never seen Roy run from an opponent, he may have not traded with them 24/7 but he never ran. Oscar ran and won decisions by running.

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DLH clearly beat Quartey and I thought that although close he beat Whitaker, yea Roy has dominated, but against WHO? the vast majority of Jones' conquests have been bums who's biggest name on their record was their loss to Jones, don't get me wrong Jones is an all time great but he isn't light years ahead in talent and accomplishments over DLH, yea everybody knows that Hopkins only got better as time went on, and if the Hopkins that fought Jones were to fight the Hopkins that fought Trinidad, Joppy, DLH, Taylor, and whooped Tarver , he would easily dismantle him.

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DLH clearly beat Quartey and I thought that although close he beat Whitaker, yea Roy has dominated, but against WHO? the vast majority of Jones' conquests have been bums who's biggest name on their record was their loss to Jones, don't get me wrong Jones is an all time great but he isn't light years ahead in talent and accomplishments over DLH, yea everybody knows that Hopkins only got better as time went on, and if the Hopkins that fought Jones were to fight the Hopkins that fought Trinidad, Joppy, DLH, Taylor, and whooped Tarver , he would easily dismantle him.

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How many of Oscar's foe's that he dominated went on to become major world champions after with 2 being legends and one in his prime that are HoF locks?

HOF locks for ODH
Tito/Mosely/SweatPea/Chavez/Bhop
other notables:Vargas, Rueles, Gonzalez, Carr, Quartey, Gatti, Castillejo
HOF locks for RJJ
Toney??/Bhop/Mccalum
other notables: Tarver/Gjohnson/Rjohnson/Griffin/VHill/Paz and a slew of LHW with inflated records whose peak was getting whipped by RJJ

There is a valid argument about RJJ being the more talented fighter, but you really can't compare the names on the records.

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HOF locks for ODH
Tito/Mosely/SweatPea/Chavez/Bhop
other notables:Vargas, Rueles, Gonzalez, Carr, Quartey, Gatti, Castillejo
HOF locks for RJJ
Toney??/Bhop/Mccalum
other notables: Tarver/Gjohnson/Rjohnson/Griffin/VHill/Paz and a slew of LHW with inflated records whose peak was getting whipped by RJJ

There is a valid argument about RJJ being the more talented fighter, but you really can't compare the names on the records.

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Maybe not the "names" but you can by career opponents.

Because Chavez, Whitaker and were both past their prime and a lot of people think Whitaker beat Oscar. Tito and Mosley both beat Oscar. Roy didn't lose. And did Chavez and Whitaker then go on to add on more to their legacy or were they already at the end of their career by the time Oscar fought them?

Hopkins and James Toney both went on to create legacies and James added on to his too and Hopkins went on to become a legend. Thats why you can't compare Oscar to Roy in that way in my opinion.

And Inflated records when Clinton Woods is the IBF Champ no matter how he got it he got it regardless and Eric Lucas and a lot of your names you put up there went on to have good or great careers after Roy beat them. However the names you gave to Oscar were already at the end of their careers or beat him.

I like both boxers
In his prime RJJ had the speed and reflexes that could not be matched, but once he got a little older he did not have technique to fall back on.
Oscar has controversial wins, but controversial loses as well. He has probably the best resume of any active boxer. Also, when he is not coasting he is the most exciting boxer to watch.

I guess this being said the ability to be the most exciting boxer to watch is where Oscar dominates RJJ. HBO is a big company and they do their homework.

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HOF locks for ODH
Tito/Mosely/SweatPea/Chavez/Bhop
other notables:Vargas, Rueles, Gonzalez, Carr, Quartey, Gatti, Castillejo
HOF locks for RJJ
Toney??/Bhop/Mccalum
other notables: Tarver/Gjohnson/Rjohnson/Griffin/VHill/Paz and a slew of LHW with inflated records whose peak was getting whipped by RJJ

There is a valid argument about RJJ being the more talented fighter, but you really can't compare the names on the records.

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Maybe not the "names" but you can by career opponents.

Because Chavez, Whitaker and were both past their prime and a lot of people think Whitaker beat Oscar. Tito and Mosley both beat Oscar. Roy didn't lose. And did Chavez and Whitaker then go on to add on more to their legacy or were they already at the end of their career by the time Oscar fought them?

Hopkins and James Toney both went on to create legacies and James added on to his too and Hopkins went on to become a legend. Thats why you can't compare Oscar to Roy in that way in my opinion.

And Inflated records when Clinton Woods is the IBF Champ no matter how he got it he got it regardless and Eric Lucas and a lot of your names you put up there went on to have good or great careers after Roy beat them. However the names you gave to Oscar were already at the end of their careers or beat him.

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The reason in your argument is clearly eroded if you think Tito beat Oscar.

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DLH clearly beat Quartey and I thought that although close he beat Whitaker, yea Roy has dominated, but against WHO? the vast majority of Jones' conquests have been bums who's biggest name on their record was their loss to Jones, don't get me wrong Jones is an all time great but he isn't light years ahead in talent and accomplishments over DLH, yea everybody knows that Hopkins only got better as time went on, and if the Hopkins that fought Jones were to fight the Hopkins that fought Trinidad, Joppy, DLH, Taylor, and whooped Tarver , he would easily dismantle him.

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How many of Oscar's foe's that he dominated went on to become major world champions after with 2 being legends and one in his prime that are HoF locks?

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how many of Jones' foes has he beaten at their best? maybe Toney and that's about it

For the record I thought Oscar beat Tito and Mosely the second time. But I also thought he lost to Sturm and Whitaker. All that being said even in his losses to include Bhop he was never outclassed or beat up. He was losing to Bhop but giving him a better fight than Tito did. The same can't be said for Roy he got soundly beaten by Johnson and Tarver. You can't make and argument for the slew of worthless LHW he beat either. Who cares that Luca/Woods/Harding have gone on to decent careers? In 10 years people be able to look at ODH's record and recognize several names...when people look at Roy's they will see alot of decent records but names they've never heard of.