Fighters that were unable to rebound from big losses?

michael spinks loss to tyson razor ruddock loss to lewis grants loss to lewis gerry cooneys loss to larry holmes golotas loss to lewis gerrie coetzee loss to frank bruno meldrick taylors loss to chavez

Good call.

wwatt why do u keep dissing watson we had this arguement before how the hell wasnt he in eubanks class most people think he won the first fight and he fought clever and beat benn so how wasnt he in benns class thats like saying ali put hes gloves up and foreman threw everything and when he was tired ali knocked him out so ali wasnt in foremans class because u might aswell say foreman fought bit like a berk aswell for wasting hes punches i dont know where u got idea that watson wasnt in eubanks or benns class and no watson wasnt on drugs or any of the other bs he just beat hes a** eubank won first 6 rounds plz ... watson out workrated him in first fight and and hell of lot more in 2nd fight and plus id like to have seen benn vs mccallum because benn would prolly got koed aswell

and u say watson was average well eubank and benn must be below average then

definitely naseem hamed. one lacklustre win then he vanished

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that will haunt him for the rest of his life....Unless he comes back with a vengence.....he is still relatively young and could have 2-3 big fights left in him.....

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definitely naseem hamed. one lacklustre win then he vanished

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that will haunt him for the rest of his life....Unless he comes back with a vengence.....he is still relatively young and could have 2-3 big fights left in him.....

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Well looking at him now I agree they would be very big fights :P

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definitely naseem hamed. one lacklustre win then he vanished

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that will haunt him for the rest of his life....Unless he comes back with a vengence.....he is still relatively young and could have 2-3 big fights left in him.....

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Well looking at him now I agree they would be very big fights :P

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lol...he has gotten "Comfortable" hasn't he? :)

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I am not going to agree with the Tyson one, as he still regained his title afterwards, fought main events and was 'the man' for a while after that loss.

What about Don Curry, though, after Honeyghan beat him up?

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How can you disagree with the Tyson choice and than mention Curry? Curry manage to win another title after the Honeyghan loss.

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You make a good point, despite strangely using blue text for some reason. ;)

Perhaps it was me, but I thought the Tyson defeat against Douglas was an aberration, that Mike had an off day, that personal problems ate him up, and that he would come back and splatter Douglas because he was still the baddest man on the Planet. I saw Curry, who was the P4P #1 at the time, get beaten to a pulp by 'average' Lloyd who I had seen lots of. Curry never regained his aura, whereas Tyson (maybe wrongly) did.

Still, I will be the first (or second) to admit my inconsistency there - fair point, Violent Demise.

May I call you VD for short?

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I am not going to agree with the Tyson one, as he still regained his title afterwards, fought main events and was 'the man' for a while after that loss.

What about Don Curry, though, after Honeyghan beat him up?

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How can you disagree with the Tyson choice and than mention Curry? Curry manage to win another title after the Honeyghan loss.

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You make a good point, despite strangely using blue text for some reason. ;)

Perhaps it was me, but I thought the Tyson defeat against Douglas was an aberration, that Mike had an off day, that personal problems ate him up, and that he would come back and splatter Douglas because he was still the baddest man on the Planet. I saw Curry, who was the P4P #1 at the time, get beaten to a pulp by 'average' Lloyd who I had seen lots of. Curry never regained his aura, whereas Tyson (maybe wrongly) did.

Still, I will be the first (or second) to admit my inconsistency there - fair point, Violent Demise.

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Keep your blue text. And I don't think Tyson ever regained his aura after the prison stint. Don King just made it seemed that way. And you can call me Mr. Demise.

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I am not going to agree with the Tyson one, as he still regained his title afterwards, fought main events and was 'the man' for a while after that loss.

What about Don Curry, though, after Honeyghan beat him up?

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How can you disagree with the Tyson choice and than mention Curry? Curry manage to win another title after the Honeyghan loss.

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You make a good point, despite strangely using blue text for some reason. ;)

Perhaps it was me, but I thought the Tyson defeat against Douglas was an aberration, that Mike had an off day, that personal problems ate him up, and that he would come back and splatter Douglas because he was still the baddest man on the Planet. I saw Curry, who was the P4P #1 at the time, get beaten to a pulp by 'average' Lloyd who I had seen lots of. Curry never regained his aura, whereas Tyson (maybe wrongly) did.

Still, I will be the first (or second) to admit my inconsistency there - fair point, Violent Demise.

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STD would be more fitting.

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I am not going to agree with the Tyson one, as he still regained his title afterwards, fought main events and was 'the man' for a while after that loss.

What about Don Curry, though, after Honeyghan beat him up?

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How can you disagree with the Tyson choice and than mention Curry? Curry manage to win another title after the Honeyghan loss.

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You make a good point, despite strangely using blue text for some reason. ;)

Perhaps it was me, but I thought the Tyson defeat against Douglas was an aberration, that Mike had an off day, that personal problems ate him up, and that he would come back and splatter Douglas because he was still the baddest man on the Planet. I saw Curry, who was the P4P #1 at the time, get beaten to a pulp by 'average' Lloyd who I had seen lots of. Curry never regained his aura, whereas Tyson (maybe wrongly) did.

Still, I will be the first (or second) to admit my inconsistency there - fair point, Violent Demise.

May I call you VD for short?

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STD would be more fitting.

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Than that would make your sister Mrs. STD.

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Fixed that for you ;)

Michael Grant...Lewis put paid to him
Herbie Hide.....despite regaining the WBO title impressivly against TonyTucker Riddick Bowe put a dent in Hide he could never fix
Adrian Dodson......Someone thought it would be a good idea to fight Winky.

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I think he realised he was in decline then got out the game before he was embarrassed further. Pity because he had huge potential.

"Keep your blue text. And I don't think Tyson ever regained his aura after the prison stint. Don King just made it seemed (sic) that way. And you can call me Mr. Demise." Violent Demise. Typical diffuse post by boy demise. It is curious to note he, boy demise, never mentioned Vladimir Klitschko and his comeback after two KOs, but that would be expecting something intelligent emanating from him, something with insight and penetrating knowledge, which are, regrettably, devoid of his personna.

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Than that would make your sister and mom Mrs. STD.

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Fixed that for you ;)

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"Keep your blue text. And I don't think Tyson ever regained his aura after the prison stint. Don King just made it seemed (sic) that way. And you can call me Mr. Demise." Violent Demise. Typical diffuse post by boy demise. It is curious to note he, boy demise, never mentioned Vladimir Klitschko and his comeback after two KOs, but that would be expecting something intelligent emanating from him, something with insight and penetrating knowledge, which are, regrettably, devoid of his personna.

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Damn another stalker. Atleast I heard of the other ones. Who the fuck are you? And the thread title says "unable to rebound after big losses". Not rebounded from big losses. Dumbass

hahah... you've got to be the best troll I've seen, is it a hobby? you're very good :)

Its either that or a bad case of Angst on the net. Every body else manages to get along with out slinging shit around... maybe you know something they don't? :)

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Ricky Hatton.

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but mine are
Iron mike
Fernando Vargas,
Naseem Hamed
felix trinidad to an extent??

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I agree with this but instead of trinidad i would say Roy jones jr.

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hahah... you've got to be the best troll I've seen, is it a hobby? you're very good :)

Its either that or a bad case of Angst on the net. Every body else manages to get along with out slinging shit around... maybe you know something they don't? :)

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If everybody gets along without slinging shit, than why do you sling it? I'm just curious. Cuz, It don't bother me. You can sling it my way all you want. I'll just shake my head at your limitations and than put you in your place. No big deal. But why sling first if you say everybody gets along?

Yeah I agree with a lot of posters here about Hamed & Tayor, just could get back on track. Hamed pretty much ran from the game, & losing with only 2 seconds left seemed to drain everything from Taylor.

Everyone is saying Naseem but I don't think that's really what was meant.. The thread said fighters who were UNABLE to rebound from big losses, not fighters who didn't try... How are we to know what the Barerra loss did to Nas as a fighter, he never made any effort to get back to his best form.. IMO Meldrick Taylor is head and shoulders above most mentioned so far.. Although he did go on to win a legit belt in a higher weight class directly after the Chavez fight, in fact won a couple of belts I believe and not over some joke contenders, Mcgirt was a good WW champion, but he was still never the same. I think what seperates Taylor is the pure physical toll that was taken on his body.. Tyson, Bowe, it's completely anyones guess how much the losses had to do with it as oposed to a lack of focus or bad habits outside of the ring.. In fact Im sure both were never the same before they suffered their first defeats.. Taylor was truly a young fighter ruined, Chavez was his first big fight and what he accomplished after that fight despite never being the same should be a testament to his potential and what the loss really did to him.

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Everyone is saying Naseem but I don't think that's really what was meant.. The thread said fighters who were UNABLE to rebound from big losses, not fighters who didn't try... How are we to know what the Barerra loss did to Nas as a fighter, he never made any effort to get back to his best form.. IMO Meldrick Taylor is head and shoulders above most mentioned so far.. Although he did go on to win a legit belt in a higher weight class directly after the Chavez fight, in fact won a couple of belts I believe and not over some joke contenders, Mcgirt was a good WW champion, but he was still never the same. I think what seperates Taylor is the pure physical toll that was taken on his body.. Tyson, Bowe, it's completely anyones guess how much the losses had to do with it as oposed to a lack of focus or bad habits outside of the ring.. In fact Im sure both were never the same before they suffered their first defeats.. Taylor was truly a young fighter ruined, Chavez was his first big fight and what he accomplished after that fight despite never being the same should be a testament to his potential and what the loss really did to him.

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About Hamed I think it's spot on. If he hadn't lost to Barrera he still would have continued on spouting all his legend sh*t, but with the schooling he got by Barrera he lost all desire & was not able to rebound from the defeat.

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hahah... you've got to be the best troll I've seen, is it a hobby? you're very good :)

Its either that or a bad case of Angst on the net. Every body else manages to get along with out slinging S*** around... maybe you know something they don't? :)

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If everybody gets along without slinging S***, than why do you sling it? I'm just curious. Cuz, It don't bother me. You can sling it my way all you want. I'll just shake my head at your limitations and than put you in your place. No big deal. But why sling first if you say everybody gets along?

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I don't think I did, unless you take the 'STD' thing with ':P ;)' next to it to be serious. But what ever... can't be bothered with a pissing match, can you help me find my place now please?

Fact is you are either a fucking hilarious troll or have E-Angst. End of.

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hahah... you've got to be the best troll I've seen, is it a hobby? you're very good :)

Its either that or a bad case of Angst on the net. Every body else manages to get along with out slinging S*** around... maybe you know something they don't? :)

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If everybody gets along without slinging S***, than why do you sling it? I'm just curious. Cuz, It don't bother me. You can sling it my way all you want. I'll just shake my head at your limitations and than put you in your place. No big deal. But why sling first if you say everybody gets along?

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I don't think I did, unless you take the 'STD' thing with ':P ;)' next to it to be serious. But what ever... can't be bothered with a pissing match, can you help me find my place now please?

Fact is you are either a fucking hilarious troll or have E-Angst. End of.

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I didn't take it seriously, cuz I don't take you seriously.

you don't know me... but like I said I won't get into a pissing match... nothing you say is insulting to any one with a mental age over 17...

Bye.

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hahah... you've got to be the best troll I've seen, is it a hobby? you're very good :)

Its either that or a bad case of Angst on the net. Every body else manages to get along with out slinging S*** around... maybe you know something they don't? :)

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If everybody gets along without slinging S***, than why do you sling it? I'm just curious. Cuz, It don't bother me. You can sling it my way all you want. I'll just shake my head at your limitations and than put you in your place. No big deal. But why sling first if you say everybody gets along?

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I don't think I did, unless you take the 'STD' thing with ':P ;)' next to it to be serious. But what ever... can't be bothered with a pissing match, can you help me find my place now please?

Fact is you are either a F****** hilarious troll or have E-Angst. End of.

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Hey, AdamGB - how come you never call me a hilarious troll or a purveyor of e-engst. I would take that as quite a compliment. :D

It's Yin and Yan thing... you wind people up but it's funny and you're not an arsehole... :P

who knows maybe you're in cohuits playing people off against each other, or maybe you have a 'fight club' thing going on and need serious mental help :P

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It's Yin and Yan thing... you wind people up but it's funny and you're not an arsehole... :P

who knows maybe you're in cohuits playing people off against each other, or maybe you have a 'fight club' thing going on and need serious mental help :P

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Why, thank you !!!

No, we are not in cohorts, he slags me off on other threads and an objective reading of his posts leads one to doubt whether he speaks the truth all the time about himself. ;)

I do need some mental help, but that would be cured by the return of Jax to this forum and the inevitable baiting that Ill Mitch would give him.

Wacko is trying to keep Ill Mitch on the lock down... :P

I don't think we'll be seeing him soon if Clayton "Wacko" Bigsby has his say in things ;D ;)

You'd have thought that Ill Mitch would have had a lot to say, seeing as how all the heavyweight champs are from his neck of the woods.

His helmet and skateboard/rapping skills would make him uniquely qualified to add some social commentary on this phenomenon.

He commented on Jax saying that "Rahman is chump" but he's not been on teh forum properly for about 1/4 of a year... he's on probation.

Zab Judah, Meldrick Taylor are two that come to mind

marvin haglers loss to ray leonard ;D

Duane Bobick?

big john tates loss to mike weaver

Mike Tyson - he was still bad but never the same
Meldrick Taylor
Andrew Golota - the low blows got him TWICE then guys realized they could jump on him and KO him the blueprint is perfect
Michael Grant
Domonick Guinn
David Reid - the eye really messed him up
Fernando Vargas - he's still a brawler but Tito really kicked the shit outta him
Michael Moorer - after losing to Foreman he ballooned in weight and never found the drive to get back

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Mike Tyson - he was still bad but never the same
Meldrick Taylor
Andrew Golota - the low blows got him TWICE then guys realized they could jump on him and KO him the blueprint is perfect
Michael Grant
Domonick Guinn
David Reid - the eye really messed him up
Fernando Vargas - he's still a brawler but Tito really kicked the S*** outta him
Michael Moorer - after losing to Foreman he ballooned in weight and never found the drive to get back

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excellent list of examples !

I don't now if you can say Tyson, true he never really came back after the loss... at least reached the same heights (he got the WBC after being in Jail after something like 5 rounds of boxing) or notoriety...

But he was never the same after his biggest ($$$) fight with Spinks... he turned into a (bored and distracted) puncher instead of a (motivated) calculated pressure fighter and counter puncher... His mental immaturity and the death of his mentors and protectors and the stupid decision to get rid of Kevin Rooney is what did him in.