INO Lamon Brewster, Sam Peter & Calvin Brock will save the HW division!!!!

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As I read the discussion, it appears that it is about a potential American "star." If that is the case, I submit Oleg Makaev is just that. He now holds a belt, and there are some top ten fighters, some of whom are not Americans, who want to fight him. Sure, the three Americans mentioned, (i.e., Brewster, Peter and Brock) would be quite worthy opponents for Maskaev, but aren't we talking about those "non-Americans?"

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Mate just becuse Maskaev lives in the US and has a passport doesn't make him American. I think most Americans would rather not root for anybody than support a Khazakstani.

I guess you think Abu Hamza, the wacko guy with a hook for a hand is British?

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Oleg Makaev is an American citizen who lives on Staten Island with his lovely wife and four kids whom he says are getting a "good" education. He also boasts his wife has a good job. He is soft spoken and speaks with a distinct accent which is not troublesome. Now that is All-American. Let me repeat ALL-AMERICAN!!!!

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Yes I undestand the technocalities of him being a US citizen but you are completely deluding yourself if you think the US public are going to root for him as one of their own.

To the American public at large he is Russian, and yes I know he's from Khazakstan not Russia as well ;)

When Lennox Lewis decided to ditch Canada once he turned pro and reassumed his British identity the British public never accepted him even though he was by far the greatest heavyweight ever to represent our country.

When he fought Gary Mason, and even more so when he faced Bruno virtually the entire nation was behind his opponents.

The majority of sports fans, myself included are proud patriots and will never take to a foreigner over a born and bred Brit in a hundred years.

I can think of only one exception in the whole history of the world and that is Arnold Schwarzzenegger.

You can tell keep telling yourself that Oleg is an American citizen until you are blue in the face but you are never going to get the American public to ever think of him as anything other than Russian.

Am I right or am I right? ^-^

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You are not right, but only negative and pedantic. The American public will support Oleg Maskaev as long as he wins; it is my understanding you will not. As far as Scwarzenegger, he is an entertainment icon who appeals to the lowest common denominator intellectually, even in politics. Maskaev will retire financially set and with dignity. Perhaps THIS is what bothers you. You see, he is the warrior, you are not, only a sour pedantic "negativist." Go Maskaev, the All-American guy with his All-American family on Staten Island living the American dream!

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The American public will support Oleg Maskaev as long as he wins :lolololol: Course they will mate. Poor Evander and Calvin Brock are sure in for a hostile reception if they fights Maskaev any time soon :stupid:

As far as Scwarzenegger, he is an entertainment icon who appeals to the lowest common denominator intellectually, even in politics. You completely lost me here. ??? I would have thought that Arnold embodies the American Dream more than any other man in history, born in a remote Austrian village rising to become the biggest action hero movie star of all time and now Governor of the most important State in America, but hey what do I know, it's your argument eh? :-\

You see, he is the warrior, you are not, only a sour pedantic "negativist I'm not being negativist at all just realistic. I've got no axe to grind against Oleg, I'm not even American, I'm merely stating the patently obvious truth that Oleg will not become a popular American fighter.

If you honestly and sincerely believe that if and when Oleg faces Calvin Brock, James Toney, Evander Holyfield, Lamon Brewster or any of the other American guys out there that he will be the American's fan favourite then you are simply an idiot.

And if you were trying to prove a point you completely undermined it by dismissing Arnold as intellectually appealing to the lowest common denominator. How moronic to accuse me of being negative towards Oleg's Americanism when you are completely negative concerning Arnie.

You are a hyprocrital buffoon and I consider it an embarrassment on my part to have attempted to engage you in an intelligent debate.

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As I read the discussion, it appears that it is about a potential American "star." If that is the case, I submit Oleg Makaev is just that. He now holds a belt, and there are some top ten fighters, some of whom are not Americans, who want to fight him. Sure, the three Americans mentioned, (i.e., Brewster, Peter and Brock) would be quite worthy opponents for Maskaev, but aren't we talking about those "non-Americans?"

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Bilbo, one has to be intelligent to engage in an intelligent discussion. You have a limited intellectual background so do not write well. You call me many scurrilous names; that is okay; the truth is that your postings reflect your admitted lifestyle (i.e., "I'm a bit gay.") and that is homosexual. Oleg Maskaev has a lovely family; it is decidedly "American." He is a professional, and will be cheered by many Americans. You must resent his family and Maskaev's low-keyed masculinity laced with humility and individual ruggedness. That is also very "American."

Mate just becuse Maskaev lives in the US and has a passport doesn't make him American. I think most Americans would rather not root for anybody than support a Khazakstani.

I guess you think Abu Hamza, the wacko guy with a hook for a hand is British?

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Oleg Makaev is an American citizen who lives on Staten Island with his lovely wife and four kids whom he says are getting a "good" education. He also boasts his wife has a good job. He is soft spoken and speaks with a distinct accent which is not troublesome. Now that is All-American. Let me repeat ALL-AMERICAN!!!!

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Yes I undestand the technocalities of him being a US citizen but you are completely deluding yourself if you think the US public are going to root for him as one of their own.

To the American public at large he is Russian, and yes I know he's from Khazakstan not Russia as well ;)

When Lennox Lewis decided to ditch Canada once he turned pro and reassumed his British identity the British public never accepted him even though he was by far the greatest heavyweight ever to represent our country.

When he fought Gary Mason, and even more so when he faced Bruno virtually the entire nation was behind his opponents.

The majority of sports fans, myself included are proud patriots and will never take to a foreigner over a born and bred Brit in a hundred years.

I can think of only one exception in the whole history of the world and that is Arnold Schwarzzenegger.

You can tell keep telling yourself that Oleg is an American citizen until you are blue in the face but you are never going to get the American public to ever think of him as anything other than Russian.

Am I right or am I right? ^-^

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You are not right, but only negative and pedantic. The American public will support Oleg Maskaev as long as he wins; it is my understanding you will not. As far as Scwarzenegger, he is an entertainment icon who appeals to the lowest common denominator intellectually, even in politics. Maskaev will retire financially set and with dignity. Perhaps THIS is what bothers you. You see, he is the warrior, you are not, only a sour pedantic "negativist." Go Maskaev, the All-American guy with his All-American family on Staten Island living the American dream!

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The American public will support Oleg Maskaev as long as he wins :lolololol: Course they will mate. Poor Evander and Calvin Brock are sure in for a hostile reception if they fights Maskaev any time soon :stupid:

As far as Scwarzenegger, he is an entertainment icon who appeals to the lowest common denominator intellectually, even in politics. You completely lost me here. ??? I would have thought that Arnold embodies the American Dream more than any other man in history, born in a remote Austrian village rising to become the biggest action hero movie star of all time and now Governor of the most important State in America, but hey what do I know, it's your argument eh? :-\

You see, he is the warrior, you are not, only a sour pedantic "negativist I'm not being negativist at all just realistic. I've got no axe to grind against Oleg, I'm not even American, I'm merely stating the patently obvious truth that Oleg will not become a popular American fighter.

If you honestly and sincerely believe that if and when Oleg faces Calvin Brock, James Toney, Evander Holyfield, Lamon Brewster or any of the other American guys out there that he will be the American's fan favourite then you are simply an idiot.

And if you were trying to prove a point you completely undermined it by dismissing Arnold as intellectually appealing to the lowest common denominator. How moronic to accuse me of being negative towards Oleg's Americanism when you are completely negative concerning Arnie.

You are a hyprocrital buffoon and I consider it an embarrassment on my part to have attempted to engage you in an intelligent debate.

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Bilbo, one has to be intelligent to engage in an intelligent discussion. You have a limited intellectual background, so do not write well. You call me many scurrilous names; that is okay. The truth is that your postings reflect your admitted lifestyle (i.e., "I'm a bit gay.") and that is homosexual. Homosexuality is a mental disorder and a degrading lifestyle. Oleg Maskaev has a lovely family; it is decidedly "American." He is a professional, and will be cheered by many Americans. You must resent his family and Maskaev's low-keyed masculinity laced with humility and individual ruggedness; that is also very "American."

Homosexuality is not a mental disorder....it used to be but not anymore...just an fyi (I'm a psychology student and not gay that's why I know the DSM-IV's views on such issues)

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As I read the discussion, it appears that it is about a potential American "star." If that is the case, I submit Oleg Makaev is just that. He now holds a belt, and there are some top ten fighters, some of whom are not Americans, who want to fight him. Sure, the three Americans mentioned, (i.e., Brewster, Peter and Brock) would be quite worthy opponents for Maskaev, but aren't we talking about those "non-Americans?"

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Bilbo, one has to be intelligent to engage in an intelligent discussion. You have a limited intellectual background so do not write well. You call me many scurrilous names; that is okay; the truth is that your postings reflect your admitted lifestyle (i.e., "I'm a bit gay.") and that is homosexual. Oleg Maskaev has a lovely family; it is decidedly "American." He is a professional, and will be cheered by many Americans. You must resent his family and Maskaev's low-keyed masculinity laced with humility and individual ruggedness. That is also very "American."

Mate just becuse Maskaev lives in the US and has a passport doesn't make him American. I think most Americans would rather not root for anybody than support a Khazakstani.

I guess you think Abu Hamza, the wacko guy with a hook for a hand is British?

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Oleg Makaev is an American citizen who lives on Staten Island with his lovely wife and four kids whom he says are getting a "good" education. He also boasts his wife has a good job. He is soft spoken and speaks with a distinct accent which is not troublesome. Now that is All-American. Let me repeat ALL-AMERICAN!!!!

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Yes I undestand the technocalities of him being a US citizen but you are completely deluding yourself if you think the US public are going to root for him as one of their own.

To the American public at large he is Russian, and yes I know he's from Khazakstan not Russia as well ;)

When Lennox Lewis decided to ditch Canada once he turned pro and reassumed his British identity the British public never accepted him even though he was by far the greatest heavyweight ever to represent our country.

When he fought Gary Mason, and even more so when he faced Bruno virtually the entire nation was behind his opponents.

The majority of sports fans, myself included are proud patriots and will never take to a foreigner over a born and bred Brit in a hundred years.

I can think of only one exception in the whole history of the world and that is Arnold Schwarzzenegger.

You can tell keep telling yourself that Oleg is an American citizen until you are blue in the face but you are never going to get the American public to ever think of him as anything other than Russian.

Am I right or am I right? ^-^

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You are not right, but only negative and pedantic. The American public will support Oleg Maskaev as long as he wins; it is my understanding you will not. As far as Scwarzenegger, he is an entertainment icon who appeals to the lowest common denominator intellectually, even in politics. Maskaev will retire financially set and with dignity. Perhaps THIS is what bothers you. You see, he is the warrior, you are not, only a sour pedantic "negativist." Go Maskaev, the All-American guy with his All-American family on Staten Island living the American dream!

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The American public will support Oleg Maskaev as long as he wins :lolololol: Course they will mate. Poor Evander and Calvin Brock are sure in for a hostile reception if they fights Maskaev any time soon :stupid:

As far as Scwarzenegger, he is an entertainment icon who appeals to the lowest common denominator intellectually, even in politics. You completely lost me here. ??? I would have thought that Arnold embodies the American Dream more than any other man in history, born in a remote Austrian village rising to become the biggest action hero movie star of all time and now Governor of the most important State in America, but hey what do I know, it's your argument eh? :-\

You see, he is the warrior, you are not, only a sour pedantic "negativist I'm not being negativist at all just realistic. I've got no axe to grind against Oleg, I'm not even American, I'm merely stating the patently obvious truth that Oleg will not become a popular American fighter.

If you honestly and sincerely believe that if and when Oleg faces Calvin Brock, James Toney, Evander Holyfield, Lamon Brewster or any of the other American guys out there that he will be the American's fan favourite then you are simply an idiot.

And if you were trying to prove a point you completely undermined it by dismissing Arnold as intellectually appealing to the lowest common denominator. How moronic to accuse me of being negative towards Oleg's Americanism when you are completely negative concerning Arnie.

You are a hyprocrital buffoon and I consider it an embarrassment on my part to have attempted to engage you in an intelligent debate.

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Bilbo, one has to be intelligent to engage in an intelligent discussion. You have a limited intellectual background, so do not write well. You call me many scurrilous names; that is okay. The truth is that your postings reflect your admitted lifestyle (i.e., "I'm a bit gay.") and that is homosexual. Homosexuality is a mental disorder and a degrading lifestyle. Oleg Maskaev has a lovely family; it is decidedly "American." He is a professional, and will be cheered by many Americans. You must resent his family and Maskaev's low-keyed masculinity laced with humility and individual ruggedness; that is also very "American."

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Oh so my posts are so unitelligent I must be gay.

Anyways just looking at your post Oleg Maskaev has a lovely family; it is decidedly "American." He is a professional, and will be cheered by many Americans. You must resent his family and Maskaev's low-keyed masculinity laced with humility and individual ruggedness; that is also very "American."
you seem to be the one with the man fetish. :bananasex:

Maskaev is very hot and sexy man, He is brave and decent. ::**

You sound like Royal did about Kessler, hopefully you will meet the same end and be banned for boring the shit out of all of us.

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Homosexuality is not a mental disorder....it used to be but not anymore...just an fyi (I'm a psychology student and not gay that's why I know the DSM-IV's views on such issues)

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Although it will anger some herein, I have a PhD and was a psychology student when the AMA reversed their decision on homosexuals. This was accomplished by pressure of social activists and not concluded by a scientific or scholarly approach. I do not condemn individuals who engage it that dangerous and degrading lifestyle, but mention Dildo's admittance (not that sexuality is cogent in a boxing forum anyway) to delineate his prissy and name-calling rhetoric to denigrate me and/or Oleg Maskaev, a very masculie, soft-spoken work-a-day professional living the American dream on Staten Island. As far as "..it used to be but not anymore..." guess what? It still is. This may prompt other homosexuals to exercise their right, but I wonder how i cogent it is on a boxing forum. I come to this site to learn, Dildo comes for frantically-needed attention. The thread was "...save the HW division!!!" Manners, mutual respect, professionalism and tenacity will "save" it, not a particular ethnic group or fighter from a certain country.

Bilbo? what dont you understand about this:

Oleg Maskaev has a lovely family; it is decidedly "American."

Dont you get his "lovely family is decidedly Amarican"? Which therefore makes him an American 100%. I really dont understand why you have to dwell on the fact that he wasnt born in the USA and has a "russian" accent. You must know that people born in the USA dont care about that! Just ask the local mexican farm worker running from the immigration cops! He'll explain to you that we love all people living here that were born else where. ;D

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Homosexuality is not a mental disorder....it used to be but not anymore...just an fyi (I'm a psychology student and not gay that's why I know the DSM-IV's views on such issues)

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Although it will anger some herein, I have a PhD and was a psychology student when the AMA reversed their decision on homosexuals. This was accomplished by pressure of social activists and not concluded by a scientific or scholarly approach. I do not condemn individuals who engage it that dangerous and degrading lifestyle, but mention Dildo's admittance (not that sexuality is cogent in a boxing forum anyway) to delineate his prissy and name-calling rhetoric to denigrate me and/or Oleg Maskaev, a very masculie, soft-spoken work-a-day professional living the American dream on Staten Island. As far as "..it used to be but not anymore..." guess what? It still is. This may prompt other homosexuals to exercise their right, but I wonder how i cogent it is on a boxing forum. I come to this site to learn, Dildo comes for frantically-needed attention. The thread was "...save the HW division!!!" Manners, mutual respect, professionalism and tenacity will "save" it, not a particular ethnic group or fighter from a certain country.

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You really know you have lost a debate when you have to resort to name calling and making claims that your opponent is gay. ::**

You have proven yourself to be incapable of intelligent thought and rational debate, you are clearly in the wrong and nobody apart from you sees Maskaev as the next great American champion.

I'm done wasting time with you.

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Bilbo? what dont you understand about this:

Oleg Maskaev has a lovely family; it is decidedly "American."

Dont you get his "lovely family is decidedly Amarican"? Which therefore makes him an American 100%. I really dont understand why you have to dwell on the fact that he wasnt born in the USA and has a "russian" accent. You must know that people born in the USA dont care about that! Just ask the local mexican farm worker running from the immigration cops! He'll explain to you that we love all people living here that were born else where. ;D

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lol, :coolclick:

What really gets me though is that idiots like Raeder will read your post and think you are on their side, sarcasm and wit not being well understood by the foolish

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Bilbo? what dont you understand about this:

Oleg Maskaev has a lovely family; it is decidedly "American."

Dont you get his "lovely family is decidedly Amarican"? Which therefore makes him an American 100%. I really dont understand why you have to dwell on the fact that he wasnt born in the USA and has a "russian" accent. You must know that people born in the USA dont care about that! Just ask the local mexican farm worker running from the immigration cops! He'll explain to you that we love all people living here that were born else where. ;D

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lol, :coolclick:

What really gets me though is that idiots like Raeder will read your post and think you are on their side, sarcasm and wit not being well understood by the foolish

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sarcasm? where?? :o

i was going to give you a sc but i know VD will take care of that. So let me even it up by helping you out with a :coolclick:

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Bilbo? what dont you understand about this:

Oleg Maskaev has a lovely family; it is decidedly "American."

Dont you get his "lovely family is decidedly Amarican"? Which therefore makes him an American 100%. I really dont understand why you have to dwell on the fact that he wasnt born in the USA and has a "russian" accent. You must know that people born in the USA dont care about that! Just ask the local mexican farm worker running from the immigration cops! He'll explain to you that we love all people living here that were born else where. ;D

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lol, :coolclick:

What really gets me though is that idiots like Raeder will read your post and think you are on their side, sarcasm and wit not being well understood by the foolish

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"Brevity is the soul of wit (WS)." Vacuous homosexual, foppish rambling above.

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Lyakhovich will get blasted out soon enough.

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I think if he can keep boxing like he did against Brewster he stands a good chance against any of the current heavies. Wlad would pose the most problems for him. Wlad has the best boxing ability of the heavies and the power he brings with him would make for a troubled fight. Wlad/Lyakhovich would be one heavyweight fight I would be interested in.

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Agreed. Good points...but I just truly believe that with range...Klitschko controls them all around the board.

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Just because he has the most skills doesn't mean he is gonna be the master of all Heavyweights. Wacko wake up! He is carefully and wisely picking his opponents. And they will hype it as a huge fight. He could have fought Brewster a second time but he chose to fight Byrd instead and Lyakovich had a good strategy to beat Brewster and he used it very well but it was still a very close fight. And It wasn't because he didnt "get up" for Ettienne, have you seen that fight? Brewster injured his knee in the first round!! And he could barely walk the rest of the fight let alone plant and Ettienne took advantage of it, WHY do you thnk he wears that knee brace in the ring!? ::** The shufford fight was a fact of Brewster coming down from a very high weight because he had two fights in a row about a month apart to come down and he was drained.

And no matter what you say whether you call it luck or whatever, he BEAT WLADIMER KLITSCHKO!! No matter what you say!! Brewster WON THE FIGHT!! And Wladimer never tried to rematch him! ;)

Sergei is just a lot better then you wanted to give him credit for, but lowering the opponent of Brewster because you refuse top acknowledge how good he is won't change his win over Wladimer ;)

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Wladimer is point blank the best out there at the moment. He may have a glass chin and hold constantly but there hasn't been anything the guy he was fighting could do about it. Maybe if there was a different ref. Wladimer has the most skill and whether you like it or not, someone isn't gonna come out of the blue with blond dreads and beat him.

All of you are wrong. The Savior of the damn heavyweight division is me, undefeated Heavyweight Kevin Johnson of Asbury Park, NJ...........the new baddest man on the planet............ All of these guys that you mentioned have turned me down for fights even though I am only 10-0.................smart choice on their part becasue everyone knows that I am the next dominant heavyweight to come on the scene............gentlemen........you can call me the messiah I am here to rule.........

"Wladimer is point blank the best out there at the moment. He may have a glass chin and hold constantly but there hasn't been anything the guy he was fighting could do about it. Maybe if there was a different ref. Wladimer has the most skill and whether you like it or not, someone isn't gonna come out of the blue with blond dreads and beat him."

I agree among the current heavyweight fighters, although one, or possibly two, may develop. Surely there was a debate in this forum about the Brewster fight; I just came on boad last June, but I have heard some persuasive arguments regarding possible drugging. Klitschko looked very strange just before that knockdown; he has been hit that hard before. He and his brother, and other credible boxing people, have raised pointed questions. ???

...please explain the Johnson-Timor draw...how did the fight go?

If only Cuba would embrace professional boxing ;D

How did Johnson Timor go???? It was a four rounder in which I one every round but of course since his promoter was running the card, of course they called it a draw.........what a joke. I've been begging him for a rematch but he does want any of me anymore..........

I wouldn't waste my time with Timor since his lackluster showing vs Brock. Why not go for Malik Scott, Jameel McCline, Ray Austin, Larry Donald, or someone like that.

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