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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
I wonder what the weights will be...if Toney comes in over 230 he'll still win but there will be very interesting and trying points in the fight for him.
It's not that Sam Peter is not strong enough to KO Toney it's that he doesn't punch accurately enough and he doesn't throw combinations, and he doesn't have enough stamina to pressure James...I can see the middle rounds being Sam leaning on James pressing up against the ropes...speaking of which I hope those ropes are reinforced with something
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
i think the fights in nevada, so as longt as my man john stewart is one of the judges i wount bitch..
unless there are two other judges who have ludacris scores and fuck up the decision...
well know who is gonna win after the first punch toney blocks, if his own arm is punched into him i PROMISE you that toney will eventually get KTFO... BUT... if toney manages to keep his arms where they are he it will signify that toney will be victorious
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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What's funny is that every time they say that Toney is the heavy betting favorite...well...it hits home on so many levels. ;D
Amen brother, have a pretend cc cause i'm not sure if i can muster the energy to go back to the board and "give you one", ahem. As for the fight, I'm going with a Peter KO. I won't put an argument forward as i will just get shouted down by other people showering me with examples from years gone by :p
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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What's funny is that every time they say that Toney is the heavy betting favorite...well...it hits home on so many levels. ;D
Amen brother, have a pretend cc cause i'm not sure if i can muster the energy to go back to the board and "give you one", ahem. As for the fight, I'm going with a Peter KO. I won't put an argument forward as i will just get shouted down by other people showering me with examples from years gone by :p
:coolclick: superheavyrhun "Mr. I've developed a social life & am gettin too much panooch to be bothering with these DRBR's anymore"!
I couldn't agre with you more on wanting Peter by KO...I just don't think that it'll happen.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
i was just watching Peter. Now I know what a problem for his greatnes is: and why he is not a new Tyson: he is too heavy. About 20 pounds. So he lacks that speed and mobility. Look at Tyson when he went for all power and high weight he lost his great mobility.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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i was just watching Peter. Now I know what a problem for his greatnes is: and why he is not a new Tyson: he is too heavy. About 20 pounds. So he lacks that speed and mobility. Look at Tyson when he went for all power and high weight he lost his great mobility.
Honestly...I dont think that he's too heavy...I mean...your'e right...he is heavy...but the issue I see is that he's got no game plan other than loop my shots till one lands.
God I want him to KO Toney though...I mean...just a few lucky shots will do it.
I watched Toney vs Holy just the other night & Holy caught James several times & it stunned him...or kinda slowed him...he felt it is what I'm gettin at...thing is...Holy is thrice as skilled as Peter...but if Peter applies loads of pressure & backs Toney up...he could catch him & really give Toney the Lights Out moniker in a legit way...but...that being said...
I just don't see it happening.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
Toney by decision, sure Peter's a big puncher but I don't feel he has the ability to catch Toney!
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
I want to pick Peter, but Peter plains sucks as a boxer, haha.
I'll be rooting for Peter this weekend though. ;D
Peter Late Stoppage...
because he's too powerful, young, and wants it.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
I believe Toney is too wise and skilled for someone as 1 dimensional as Peter. I'm not keen on Peter at all and I think it will be a wide ud for James.I hope he comes in condition too.I wonder what would happen if Peter went to the body,it must hurt James with all the flab right?
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I believe Toney is too wise and skilled for someone as 1 dimensional as Peter. I'm not keen on Peter at all and I think it will be a wide ud for James.I hope he comes in condition too.I wonder what would happen if Peter went to the body,it must hurt James with all the flab right?
In all honesty...I'm really fond of Sam Peter...but indeed he is a bit limited.
Maybe he'll shock the world this go around...maybe not.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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I believe Toney is too wise and skilled for someone as 1 dimensional as Peter. I'm not keen on Peter at all and I think it will be a wide ud for James.I hope he comes in condition too.I wonder what would happen if Peter went to the body,it must hurt James with all the flab right?
In all honesty...I'm really fond of Sam Peter...but indeed he is a bit limited.
Maybe he'll shock the world this go around...maybe not.
I like Peter too, and to be honest he as good a chance of beating Toney as there has ever been. Toney's weight issues did seem too much against Rahman. Toney's workrate was poor, he was off balance and was breathing as though he had miniature lungs...and he is 38....
Its all about the weight for me. Even 230 is too heavy for a 38 year old who needs high heels to even get near 6 feet tall.....
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
Why go on about Toney being fat; Peter being too heavy is making him just slow enough to be avoided. Peter is to heavy. Toney should be -220 and Peter 230.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Originally Posted by miles
I like Peter too, and to be honest he as good a chance of beating Toney as there has ever been. Toney's weight issues did seem too much against Rahman. Toney's workrate was poor, he was off balance and was breathing as though he had miniature lungs...and he is 38....
Agreed. :coolclick:
Thought & said the very same thing below. This does all hinge on Toney's weight & conditioning.
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Its all about the weight for me. Even 230 is too heavy for a 38 year old who needs high heels to even get near 6 feet tall.....
Too true!
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Why go on about Toney being fat; Peter being too heavy is making him just slow enough to be avoided. Peter is to heavy. Toney should be -220 and Peter 230.
The thing is this...Toney is not a natural at his fattest...Peter is.
Peter's been coming in a 246 to 250 in his most recent fights. I honestly think that Peter with come in at 255-256 for this fight. Peter's mentality seems to be that the heavier he comes in...the harder he hits.
That may be a working factor for him, but not Toney...as he aint a hard hitter in the 200 lb division. Toney's strengths are his slickness...& honestly, they have suffered with the fatter he has gotten. He looked slow & shitty against Rahman...he better be able to slip a lot more...or else he could get caught & get put out.
Which I would love nothing more.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Originally Posted by plinden
i was just watching Peter. Now I know what a problem for his greatnes is: and why he is not a new Tyson: he is too heavy. About 20 pounds. So he lacks that speed and mobility. Look at Tyson when he went for all power and high weight he lost his great mobility.
Honestly...I dont think that he's too heavy...I mean...your'e right...he is heavy...but the issue I see is that he's got no game plan other than loop my shots till one lands.
God I want him to KO Toney though...I mean...just a few lucky shots will do it.
I watched Toney vs Holy just the other night & Holy caught James several times & it stunned him...or kinda slowed him...he felt it is what I'm gettin at...thing is...Holy is thrice as skilled as Peter...but if Peter applies loads of pressure & backs Toney up...he could catch him & really give Toney the Lights Out moniker in a legit way...but...that being said...
I just don't see it happening.
Hey Wacko you don't by chance know a place on the web where I could watch the Toney vs. Holyfield fight do you, I never saw that fight and I would love to check it out. Thanks.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Hey Wacko you don't by chance know a place on the web where I could watch the Toney vs. Holyfield fight do you, I never saw that fight and I would love to check it out. Thanks.
Not sure babe...maybe try youtube or one of those sites...but if you have cable...you can watch it on Showtime ON DEMAND & also a few other Toney & Peter fights.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Hey Wacko you don't by chance know a place on the web where I could watch the Toney vs. Holyfield fight do you, I never saw that fight and I would love to check it out. Thanks.
Not sure babe...maybe try youtube or one of those sites...but if you have cable...you can watch it on Showtime ON DEMAND & also a few other Toney & Peter fights.
Thanks man I appreciate it.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
Here's a question that I'd love an answer to, from everyone on the thread!
What would you rather see Peter do?
For those that want to see Toney lose, how would you rather him take his L? Would you rather him beat Toney by decision or would you rather him KO Toney?
I was thinking & flip flopping on the answer. Honestly, I think that I'd rather Peter drop Toney once or twice like he did Wlad & then go on to win the decision. I think I'd honestly love to see Toney humiliated by someone as limited as Peter.
Just curious what those of you who want Toney to lose think.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
It could go either way, I would like to see Peter knock out Toney because I hate him, and then again I would like to see Toney win where he would then get knocked out by Wlad!
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
I don't really have an preference for who wins this fight - I think the next big thing in the HW division still has yet to make himself known - but if JT loses, I really think it'll be by KO/TKO. You just can't ignore the natural power difference. Peter fights like a bear - maul, maul, maul. Skillwise there's absolutely no comparison. But I still think Peter has a decent shot at this one, simply because JT isn't naturally built to withstand a strong HW's natural power.
I still think JT pulls out the UD...too much slipperiness and guile.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
Agreed with both the Duke & bcollins...but everyone be sure to plug the polls & vote.
It seems like a landslide in Toney's favor...but I would love it if we all were sitting on the edge of our couches around the world with our jaws on the floor & S*** :LOS: all over the ceilings as Toney counts his 20 or 30th lightbulb!
Heh heh heh.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
Call me insane but I picked Peter by Decision :o
As a general rule I always lean towards the boxer that carries the skills and experience over hunger and size advantage but lately I'm swinging the other way (keep your pants on Wackoff ;D )
It still amazes me that he is competitive with the Heavies considering he spent the 1st seven years of his career as a Middleweight and is 38 years old.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
Toney by decision...though im awaiting the weigh in with interest...
It will tell us whether any of the critisism Toney had for his last fight has really hit home...If it hasnt then it could be "lights out" for sure...
Cannot wait for this one!!!! ;D
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
i saw odds that had peter as the favorite
and the bounty hunter guy on A&E is the fucking man :D
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Call me insane but I picked Peter by Decision :o
Insane.
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...but lately I'm swinging the other way (keep your pants on Wackoff ;D )
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It still amazes me that he is competitive with the Heavies considering he spent the 1st seven years of his career as a Middleweight and is 38 years old.
Agreed...but let's all hope for the greater good of the 200+lb division that he get's his burger trap crammed full tonight!
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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i saw odds that had peter as the favorite
I was surprised when i saw Peter was favourite
But then again, even though Toney is infinitely more skillfull than Peter, how can you make a 5'9, 38 year old fat middleweight with not a hope in hell of scoring a KO, favourite?
Even though I think Toney points is the most likely outcome.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
I think Peter's only shot is to go to the body. I really think that the Rahman fight was the closest I have ever seen to Toney truly being hurt, and it was a body shot. Peter needs to go strictly to the body and we could see an upset. If Peter fights his normal head hunting wild swinging way, Toney will win by UD.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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I think Peter's only shot is to go to the body. I really think that the Rahman fight was the closest I have ever seen to Toney truly being hurt, and it was a body shot. Peter needs to go strictly to the body and we could see an upset. If Peter fights his normal head hunting wild swinging way, Toney will win by UD.
Watch the first & second rounds of the Holyfield fight. Holy clocked Toney's ass good a few times in those two rounds & Holy aint a banger.
I honestly think that if Peter get's the flush on Toney's chin...he's fucked.
For some reason...I also think that Peter my take Toney out of his element. We may see Toney fight a different fight this weekend.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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I think Peter's only shot is to go to the body. I really think that the Rahman fight was the closest I have ever seen to Toney truly being hurt, and it was a body shot. Peter needs to go strictly to the body and we could see an upset. If Peter fights his normal head hunting wild swinging way, Toney will win by UD.
Watch the first & second rounds of the Holyfield fight. Holy clocked Toney's a** good a few times in those two rounds & Holy aint a banger.
I honestly think that if Peter get's the flush on Toney's chin...he's fucked.
For some reason...I also think that Peter my take Toney out of his element. We may see Toney fight a different fight this weekend.
I wanna see Toney tested, but I also wanna see him comeback and school Peter....
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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I wanna see Toney tested, but I also wanna see him comeback and school Peter....
For what? Steroids? ;D
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I wanna see Toney tested, but I also wanna see him comeback and school Peter....
For what? Steroids? ;D
Nope...he should be tested for high cholestorol, blood pressure and heart disease after doing the same experiment as that "supersize me" guy.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Originally Posted by miles
I wanna see Toney tested, but I also wanna see him comeback and school Peter....
For what? Steroids? ;D
Nope...he should be tested for high cholestorol, blood pressure and heart disease after doing the same experiment as that "supersize me" guy.
:coolclick: Heh heh heh. That too.
So will you be with us this weekend...or does the SASEOTY (Self Annointed Social Event of the Year) already have plans?
Hey...if I can change El Phenomenon to EL GAMO...you gotdam well better believe that you have now been wacko-lee knighted! ;D
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by miles
I wanna see Toney tested, but I also wanna see him comeback and school Peter....
For what? Steroids? ;D
Nope...he should be tested for high cholestorol, blood pressure and heart disease after doing the same experiment as that "supersize me" guy.
:coolclick: Heh heh heh. That too.
So will you be with us this weekend...or does the SASEOTY (Self Annointed Social Event of the Year) already have plans?
Hey...if I can change El Phenomenon to EL GAMO...you gotdam well better believe that you have now been wacko-lee knighted! ;D
Hopefully i'll be home in time to join you for the Toney Peter ruckus, after I've been mingling with the stars and important folk :p
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by miles
I wanna see Toney tested, but I also wanna see him comeback and school Peter....
For what? Steroids? ;D
Nope...he should be tested for high cholestorol, blood pressure and heart disease after doing the same experiment as that "supersize me" guy.
:coolclick: Heh heh heh. That too.
So will you be with us this weekend...or does the SASEOTY (Self Annointed Social Event of the Year) already have plans?
Hey...if I can change El Phenomenon to EL GAMO...you gotdam well better believe that you have now been wacko-lee knighted! ;D
Hopefully i'll be home in time to join you for the Toney Peter ruckus, after I've been mingling with the stars and important folk :p
;D
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Originally Posted by miles
I wanna see Toney tested, but I also wanna see him comeback and school Peter....
For what? Steroids? ;D
;D Hehehehe :coolclick:
Can't wait for this one, Toney is still too heavy....but Peter is way over himself...
A rough opening stanza for Toney, but then Toney will counter to his hearts content and Peter's limitations will be shown once again...
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
Its a long shot for Toney to lose this one imo. I think Peter is just to limited, Toney will slip, duck and counter his way to a UD.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Its a long shot for Toney to lose this one imo. I think Peter is just to limited, Toney will slip, duck and counter his way to a UD.
I with you bro, Toney good technically.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
There are some good videos of these guys on Shotime.com but anyways about the fight this fight will be good if toney gets his big ass head knocked off, remember that peter was walking through all of Klitschko's shots all of them except the 12 and final round. And Yes james is good but he has never fought a man with this type of power rahman never had his power and aggression. It is gonna be I say a 7th or 8th round knock out for Peter!!!
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
The first "expert" fancies Toney by KO
He's either a genius or he's a possible candidate to beat Sals golf score record in the prediction comp. ;D
