i totally agree i think bowe lewis holy would of beaten him in hes prime to be honest tyson is way overrated he isnt as great as some people think u should see people on youtube saying hes greatest only jack dempsey could beat him lol
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i totally agree i think bowe lewis holy would of beaten him in hes prime to be honest tyson is way overrated he isnt as great as some people think u should see people on youtube saying hes greatest only jack dempsey could beat him lol
I honestly think vs most all of the All-Time greats beat him fairly easy.
Ali, Marciano, Louis, Foreman, Frazier, Liston, Dempsey, Lewis, Holyfield
Guys like Walcott and Charles might get past him too if only for the fact I think Tyson just didn't have the heart to beat them.
Shavers, Norton, Patterson, Quarry, etc...guys that were on the edge of being great would have got their asses kicked though
First off you are right a Prime Tyson was not unbeatable. A prime Wladimir Klitschko is the only fighter to be unbeatable. ;D Also your logic is messed up IMO. Lewis, Holy, Ali for sure, Foreman for sure, Liston, Fraizer would all have damn good shots at beatin Mike Tyson, prime or not. Dempsey would be crushed quickly, as would Marciano, and Louis would probably be stopped, though I'm not sure. Those guys, Dempsey and Marciano especially were just too small. Also WTF are you talkin bout comparin Patterson to Shavers and Quarry? Patterson did reach greatness no doubt, despite his 1 round failures against Sonny Liston. Norton is a HOF too, though Tyson would KO him. And lastly, Bowe would NOT defeat Prime Mike Tyson. I don't think he ever really wanted any part of Mike in the 90s even.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Wot is the point off this thread when Tyson and Lewis allready met and Lewis win fair and square,I hate this prime stuff any boxer that gets in the ring under 40 in my opinion is still in there prime,part of boxing is all to do with conditioning,so lewis win the fight End off...
I am sure if tyson had of fought Lewis in 1990 would of been a tougher maych for tyson but and the end of the day it happend later so history will always say that Lewis beat tyson....
so u think when ali was 38 when he fought holmes he was in hes prime ??
thats stupid what ur saying anyone under 40 is still in there prime
tyson KO
Bowe would box the shit out of Tyson!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Patterson, Shavers, Quarry = Guys who couldn't beat big punchers...you could throw Norton in there too
Tyson is not all that big when compared to Rocky, Dempsey, and he's fucking smaller than Joe Louis!!!!
Tyson had all the skill in the world he just didn't have the heart to beat guys like that.
And I never said Wlad is unbeatable prime or otherwise so go stick your head back up Mayorga's ass and leave me be
LOL he got TOLD!Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Tyson(ko)
If rahman & mcCall can Ktfo lewis, what do you think could happen with a Prime, hungry, fast, Tyson. i would of loved to of seen it.
I would make an exception for ali allthough i still think Holmes would off beat a younger ali,Reason I make an exception for Ali is cos he had a lot of hard fights under his belt,and in my opinion he was not in good health going into the fight his illness was allready starting to work on him...Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Yes but the McCall KO was really the only one that counts...Rahman caught Lewis in a lazy state and we all saw what a dedicated Lewis can do to guys like him.
Lewis has known Mike since high school and I think he would be prepared for what he had to offer. Tyson would have sustained the attack longer though..he would have been throwing combos into and past the 5th round. I just think Lewis was too good for him and the right cross and uppercuts would eventually slow Mike down
Prime has to deal with how old you are but mainly how old you fight...Bowe after fighting Holyfield 3 times fought Golota like he was 82!
Not stupid common sense in my opinion if you get beat you get beat prime or not...Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
ooooooook then would you care to explain why someone as good as Ray Leonard could TKO one of the hardest hitting Welterweights in all of history in one fight and then get a draw with him the next fight 8 years later? And then explain how he got plastered by one of the softest hitting middleweights in Hector Camacho???
OR do you think the Tyson that beat Michael Spinks was the same one who lost to Kevin McBride???
they're never going to understand what your saying.....but keep trying....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Possibly the most ridiculous comment I have ever heard !!Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel2smooth79
Muhammad Ali lost to Trevor Berbwick - when he was under 40 FFS ;)
they just don't know...you gotta cut them some slack and hope they come around....Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
right ill explain when ur 36 u cant train as hard as when u were 24. when ur getting older u start getting more weight ur reflexes slow down ur stamina isnt as good and ur counter shots arent as quick or sharp look at larry holmes for instance hes reflexes were way slower when he fought carl williams when he was 35. its just simple logic ur bones get older and weaker larry holmes personally told me himself he used to run 8 miles a day in hes prime but when he was getting older he only could run 4 miles and he had to take more days off training to let hes older body rest do u see what im saying ??
......not to mention the fact that having fought 80 times will probably ;) make you a bit less fresh than if you have had 30 ;)
yes that too ;)
Of course he was the seem Tyson point I am trying to get at to be an all round good fighter you need to have it upstairs and be in a good mental state,in the fight with mcbride tyson was not all there upstairs and that is part off been a boxer you need to be ok mentally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Fair point people I dont want to get into big arguments,but I am just off the opinion to get into the ring and fight that is all part off your career and if you lose you lose,and if i were a boxer i would never use my age as an excuse if i lost,I would no my own body going into the fight..Good fighters come good fighters go....Always someone better and will always be that way....
Of course I know a boxer at 25 will be better then one at 40 but i still thaink if you go into the fight with the seem mental approch as you did when you were 25 you will go far...Boxing is 99% in the head...Look at george Foreman and look now at holyfild and how about Joe Galzahgi he is about 34...there have been plenty fighter that have boxed well if not better post 30...
not arguing with u mate just disagree with some of things ur saying just making my point and by the way have cc welcome u to forum
Lol suppose would be boring if we all thought the seem well we will put it to rest now lol,yeah ice cold I am new to the forum and lovin it I love boxing so I am sure this will pass a lot of time coming on here chatting about boxing...Who is CC
cc= coolclick there is option to sadclick someone if u dont like what there saying or if u like what someone said u can coolclick them u get that option after 100 posts
Thought i would level up your coolclick/sadclick ratio to 2/2!Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel2smooth79
Cheers so that is good yeah mean I am back to even..
where do u check ratio ??
Well you got +85/-12!he was on +1/-2 then i evened it up for him!Simple really!Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I see a pus and a minus next to my name so thought you have to have it even..dont have a clue how it works to be honest..
Nope it just means that people generally disagree with what your saying as you have 2 coolcliks and 3 sadclicks.
I think the amount of fights ages you moreso than actual age....not that age doesn't add on as well....but the increased damage done to the body over years or WARS will do it to you...this is why Tito, Vargas and possibly Morales are already done and they are still supposedly in their prime years.....too many WARS......Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Very true morales is only 29 allthough i think he is 30 soon...
CC For All ;D
IMO Tyson at his prime would have KO'd a prime Lewis! They were both brillant at what they did but my feeling is Tyson's power would be the difference. Lewis would have to fight a perfect fight for 12 rounds as I don't see a prime Tyson getting stopped by Lewis! Whereas Tyson can trail all the way & make many mistakes but one error from Lewis & it would be all over!
I think Lewis would be able to take Tyson deep into the fight and eventually win with a 11 round TKO. Even if you think Prime Tyson's defensive skills would have made him a hard target for Lewis I stil think the guy is rather mentally and emotionally fragile. I think Lewis's jab and size would be able to keep Tyson on the outside and tie him up on the inside. Tyson would land some but so would Lewis. And I think eventually Lewis would win the battle of wills.
BS man. Then the Vitali fight should be stricken from his pro record as well. It never happened. Didn't count. He was far more outta shape for that fight than for the Rahman fight, and any rounds Vitali may have won, should not count. Go stick YOUR head back up both Klitschkos butts yourself!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
With Rooney in his corner Tyson was at his best. He was mentally at his strongest. Lewis wouldn't be able to tie Tyson up on the inside. In his youth Tyson was continually moving & throwning punches, down to the body back to the head. Sure Lewis would try to control things with his jab but Tyson would catch him sooner or later!Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
I think saying that Tyson was mentally toughest with Rooney in his corner is a little misleading. First of all Tyson at his most mentally and emotionally sound is still less than what I think necessary for great fighter. Not to mention he was beating up a bunch of average fighters at best. Who doesn't feel on top of the world when they are beating up a bunch of cans?