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Re: Americans hate british fighters. Why?
i don't hate any good british boxer. and, in fact, i wish i was in a pub in london-town, or in the glorious english countryside, drinking a few pints of bitter right now.
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Yep, and also why do irish fighters get worshipped so much? In the words of the late great Bill Hicks, 'I missed that fucking meeting'.
Which Irish fighters are you talkin about?
Sorry, I mean Irish or irish descent. I don't mean just boxing either, i.e Million Dollar Baby, Boston Celtics, as well as 'Irish' Mickey Ward or recently John Duddy, exciting fighters in their own right, but pulling in the case of John Duddy, bigger crowds than American world champs! It's strange. Americans have a thing for the irish, 'fighting' irish.
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From the impression I get from this forum, and plenty of american boxers, a lot of yanks just don't like british boxers. I hate to generalise but all I ever hear is hate towards Hatton, Calzaghe, Lewis, Eubank, Benn, Bruno and pretty much every british fighter to cross the shores or have any sort of exposure. I can't explain it, so I was hoping someone would enlighten me, because it seems none of you have a problem with Irish Fighters, and all you yanks with a drop of Irish blood in you all of a sudden feel the need to wear tartan! I'm half Irish myself and I don't feel any different from the the next guy. I'm confused ???
Before I read the other post, I want to comment... I don't like the Aurthur Abrahams and the Witter, and Hamed and the American Winky Wright even tho these guys can sometimes be thrilling ,, but that defense first type of fighting does not appeal to me as a viewing fan .However I love the Nigel Benn- and Ricky Hatton ( fucking love this guy) and Joe Calzaghe , because they brings it ! .. So for me its a stylistic preference and not a hatred for the UK fighter .. . I never got into that hatter mentality..I go with styles and the personality of a fighter. whats pleasing to the eye , Is this fighter risking something to try and win? Determination factor.. just watched Witter's last performance and it was a shameful one. all that posing and cockiness. i cant stand that in a fighter, no matter where they from... to me Witter is much different from a James Toney cockiness. because Toney brings it 100% and that dilutes the negative aspects of his cocky B.S. The Defense first mentality sucks in a contact sport like boxing.. Just think if 2 fighters have that mentality, we would all be turing the channel to watch Tennis. ;).
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Yep, and also why do irish fighters get worshipped so much? In the words of the late great Bill Hicks, 'I missed that F****** meeting'.
Which Irish fighters are you talkin about?
Sorry, I mean Irish or irish descent. I don't mean just boxing either, i.e Million Dollar Baby, Boston Celtics, as well as 'Irish' Mickey Ward or recently John Duddy, exciting fighters in their own right, but pulling in the case of John Duddy, bigger crowds than American world champs! It's strange. Americans have a thing for the irish, 'fighting' irish.
The idea of this whole post is based on generalizations. I'm american and dont hate british fighters. None of my american friends hate british fighters. Americans may be less familiar with british fighters, but that is all.
As for the statement "Americans have a thing for the irish" umm...that's like me saying since you made a couple bad posts on this thread that "All british people make bad posts". See what I'm getting at? There is a large irish american community in NYC where duddy fights, go to southern california and not gonna find any duddy fans.
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Re: Americans hate british fighters. Why?
I really don't need to mention it again...but...I don't give two flying fwocks where a man is from or what color his skin is...long as he can fight...I'm down.
Some of me favorites:
Abraham, Strum, Hopkins, Mayweather, Oscar, Barrera, Calzaghe, Taylor, Kessler, blah blah blah...
Go through that list & count the Americans.
Nuff said.
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
From the impression I get from this forum, and plenty of american boxers, a lot of yanks just don't like british boxers. I hate to generalise but all I ever hear is hate towards Hatton, Calzaghe, Lewis, Eubank, Benn, Bruno and pretty much every british fighter to cross the shores or have any sort of exposure. I can't explain it, so I was hoping someone would enlighten me, because it seems none of you have a problem with Irish Fighters, and all you yanks with a drop of Irish blood in you all of a sudden feel the need to wear tartan! I'm half Irish myself and I don't feel any different from the the next guy. I'm confused ???
I like Hatton, I respect the way Calzaghe handled Lacy, I of course like Eubank,don't know enough about Benn.
I just don't like LL ever since I saw the Mercer fight. Always felt that he was way way overrated and felt that he was a big strong fighter with mediocre capability. He made a name for himself by handling has beens, shot fighters, and guys who really have proven over the years to be fringe contenders (eg Golotas and Rahmans).
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From the impression I get from this forum, and plenty of american boxers, a lot of yanks just don't like british boxers. I hate to generalise but all I ever hear is hate towards Hatton, Calzaghe, Lewis, Eubank, Benn, Bruno and pretty much every british fighter to cross the shores or have any sort of exposure. I can't explain it, so I was hoping someone would enlighten me, because it seems none of you have a problem with Irish Fighters, and all you yanks with a drop of Irish blood in you all of a sudden feel the need to wear tartan! I'm half Irish myself and I don't feel any different from the the next guy. I'm confused ???
isn't the term 'you yanks' supposed to be condescending? :)
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Re: Americans hate british fighters. Why?
Countries aside - i enjoy the 'people's warrior'
Felix Trinidad - PR god
Ricky Hatton - pride of manchester
Arturo Gatti - Thunder is a legend
Paquiao - the whole of the far east's champion
Barrera - mexican warrior
I also love the 'bad guy'
Mike Tyson
Chris Eubank
Carl Froch
One thing i dont like are the w*nkers who court the attention in a plastic manner- when really they only care about themselves:
Lennox Lewis (Londoner my arrse, suited him very well at the time for cash reasons)
Floyd Mayweather (ego maniac?)
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Re: Americans hate british fighters. Why?
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
From the impression I get from this forum, and plenty of american boxers, a lot of yanks just don't like british boxers. I hate to generalise but all I ever hear is hate towards Hatton, Calzaghe, Lewis, Eubank, Benn, Bruno and pretty much every british fighter to cross the shores or have any sort of exposure. I can't explain it, so I was hoping someone would enlighten me, because it seems none of you have a problem with Irish Fighters, and all you yanks with a drop of Irish blood in you all of a sudden feel the need to wear tartan! I'm half Irish myself and I don't feel any different from the the next guy. I'm confused ???
isn't the term 'you yanks' supposed to be condescending? :)
It seems to be the simple problem that British boxing just has little or no exposure in the United States, so when they look at the record of Bristish boxers and dont recognise the names of British or Europeans on their records, then they say they haven't fought anyone. And as the US has the largest pool of boxers in any country, then they will produce a large amount of all fighters, so naturally most of the fights will be domestic, so those are the recognisable names. And because of distance problems, none but the best of British fighters will fight in the USA. Thus my argument is that Americans will call British boxers overrated until some quality Americans get their bums on the canvas.
As for the Irish, they tend to do a lot of their fighting in America, like our lad John Duddy, and that's why they are often preferred in America. That or Ireland were never the colonial oppressors, and ruled America from the capital city's parliament....
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Why would we wanna watch British boxing when the world series of darts is on tv!
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Why would we wanna watch British boxing when the world series of darts is on tv!
Phil Taylor and Andy Fordham....those are the real British Heavyweights :)
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Not me! look at my hat I even wear it in support for our UK Fighters! ;)
haha cc bro!!
jus member you'll av to take it off to get into bars!! :P ;)
peace
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Re: Americans hate british fighters. Why?
i tend to think americans or alot of other countries like to see style and perfection .... which is sweet as hell!!
but english fans like the whole rough style hard punching n stuff....
nigel benn,ricky hatton for instance... nothing polished jus pure entertainment...
cant really genuinely say i think its anything else but that !!
peace
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i tend to think americans or alot of other countries like to see style and perfection .... which is sweet as hell!!
but english fans like the whole rough style hard punching n stuff....
nigel benn,ricky hatton for instance... nothing polished jus pure entertainment...
cant really genuinely say i think its anything else but that !!
peace
yeah, you say that....but if you look at one of the most popular fighters of all time in America...Arturo Gatti. All heart and brawling. Or is he the exception to the rule?
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Originally Posted by body head banger
i tend to think americans or alot of other countries like to see style and perfection .... which is sweet as hell!!
but english fans like the whole rough style hard punching n stuff....
nigel benn,ricky hatton for instance... nothing polished jus pure entertainment...
cant really genuinely say i think its anything else but that !!
peace
yeah, you say that....but if you look at one of the most popular fighters of all time in America...Arturo Gatti. All heart and brawling. Or is he the exception to the rule?
lol there is gatti no doubt he a big fan favourite.... but one... he canadian and italian and just like tito was very popular in america ..because alot of puerto ricans...( though tito is the man)
arturo has a lot of canadian and italian american fans..
aswell as just bieng extremely entertaining!! not taking anything away from gatti
but also he and others like him are way outnumbered by the the fanfare given to the likes of
roy jones jr, oscar de la hoya, floyd mayweather, pernel whitaker, etc...
plus very few english fighters get the recognition or promotion to get big fights in america etc... its like
were half a world away ??? :-\
lol
peace
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i dont think any1 hates them--their just kinda there---boxing is dominated by americans--all the greatest boxers have generally come from America. througfht out time britian has had good boxers--but for every good british champion the American champsion have been a little better--cept lewis
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Originally Posted by body head banger
i tend to think americans or alot of other countries like to see style and perfection .... which is sweet as hell!!
but english fans like the whole rough style hard punching n stuff....
nigel benn,ricky hatton for instance... nothing polished jus pure entertainment...
cant really genuinely say i think its anything else but that !!
peace
yeah, you say that....but if you look at one of the most popular fighters of all time in America...Arturo Gatti. All heart and brawling. Or is he the exception to the rule?
thats 1 man in how many thousands? :)
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i dont think any1 hates them--their just kinda there---boxing is dominated by americans--all the greatest boxers have generally come from America. througfht out time britian has had good boxers--but for every good british champion the American champsion have been a little better--cept lewis
they dont call it land of opportunity for nothing....
theres prob alot of good english fighters who missed out on big money because they never got given the chance with a big promoter n shit.... i seen a few good brits that were domestically pretty big bout 10 years ago... given the right promotion and fights they could have been big....
i think its jus the lack of opps... n they not hated... jus not cared for cos they not known..
peace
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One reason why I dislike or hate most UK fighters is that all the Brits on here completely overhype them, and throw BS decisions, and any success at all from a UK fighter in Americans faces. Also its frustrating when guys like Hatton and Calzaghe NEVER fight out of their home country, or rarely their home city. I freely admit that I dislike Calzaghe, Hatton, and Hated NAZ. I'd say I grew to respect Lennox Lewis, and sorta like Scott Harrison, he is a warrior. It's just that Brits love to shove close or BS decisions in our faces and exaggerate a good UK fighter, when a good UK fighter occasionally hits it big. I remember how many Brits were pretty much guranteeing that Robin Reid was gonna kick Jeff Lacy's ass, then when he was crushed, they all disapeared until Lacy vs Calzaghe, then came back to once again rub it in Americans faces. It just seems like UK fans are...just snobbish bastards for the most part. ;D
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One reason why I dislike or hate most UK fighters is that all the Brits on here completely overhype them, and throw BS decisions, and any success at all from a UK fighter in Americans faces. Also its frustrating when guys like Hatton and Calzaghe NEVER fight out of their home country, or rarely their home city. I freely admit that I dislike Calzaghe, Hatton, and Hated NAZ. I'd say I grew to respect Lennox Lewis, and sorta like Scott Harrison, he is a warrior. It's just that Brits love to shove close or BS decisions in our faces and exaggerate a good UK fighter, when a good UK fighter occasionally hits it big. I remember how many Brits were pretty much guranteeing that Robin Reid was gonna kick Jeff Lacy's a**, then when he was crushed, they all disapeared until Lacy vs Calzaghe, then came back to once again rub it in Americans faces. It just seems like UK fans are...just snobbish bastards for the most part. ;D
whoa whoa whoa. WE overhype our fighters.....when Lacy came over here for the Calzaghe bout, all the american pundits and press were telling us that Lacy was a world-beater and would trounce Calzaghe with his big hits. And as for rubbing it in your faces, surely we were just celebrating a deserved win and comprehensive performance by Calzaghe. And if there is a case of overhyping in recent months, then it has to be Hasim Rahman, who everyone was saying would beat Maskaev, yet fell short of the mark, despite having no bigger victories on his record than Monte Barrett in recent years.
The overhyping issue is one that may work both ways, and that is why we always hgave to take any american boxers reputation with a pinch of salt, simply there are just so many bums who just get beaten to boost records and make others look good doing the rounds in America. And yes, I am a snobbish bastard....but not when it comes to my boxing ;)
And if anyone does a comprehensive survey of boxers....I bet there is a higher percentage of Brits who have fought on other shores compared to Americans who have left their homeland to fight.
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One reason why I dislike or hate most UK fighters is that all the Brits on here completely overhype them, and throw BS decisions, and any success at all from a UK fighter in Americans faces. Also its frustrating when guys like Hatton and Calzaghe NEVER fight out of their home country, or rarely their home city. I freely admit that I dislike Calzaghe, Hatton, and Hated NAZ. I'd say I grew to respect Lennox Lewis, and sorta like Scott Harrison, he is a warrior. It's just that Brits love to shove close or BS decisions in our faces and exaggerate a good UK fighter, when a good UK fighter occasionally hits it big. I remember how many Brits were pretty much guranteeing that Robin Reid was gonna kick Jeff Lacy's a**, then when he was crushed, they all disapeared until Lacy vs Calzaghe, then came back to once again rub it in Americans faces. It just seems like UK fans are...just snobbish bastards for the most part. ;D
whoa whoa whoa. WE overhype our fighters.....when Lacy came over here for the Calzaghe bout, all the american pundits and press were telling us that Lacy was a world-beater and would trounce Calzaghe with his big hits. And as for rubbing it in your faces, surely we were just celebrating a deserved win and comprehensive performance by Calzaghe. And if there is a case of overhyping in recent months, then it has to be Hasim Rahman, who everyone was saying would beat Maskaev, yet fell short of the mark, despite having no bigger victories on his record than Monte Barrett in recent years.
The overhyping issue is one that may work both ways, and that is why we always hgave to take any american boxers reputation with a pinch of salt, simply there are just so many bums who just get beaten to boost records and make others look good doing the rounds in America. And yes, I am a snobbish B******....but not when it comes to my boxing ;)
And if anyone does a comprehensive survey of boxers....I bet there is a higher percentage of Brits who have fought on other shores compared to Americans who have left their homeland to fight.
:coolclick: Pretty much agree with that...you snobbish bastard. ;D
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Snobbish attitudes should be reserved for attractive homo sapiens.... So according to that logic I should be the only snob here ;D
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Yes I'm a lady killer (literally)
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Sounds like someone might have some fun......with a magnet :p
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One reason why I dislike or hate most UK fighters is that all the Brits on here completely overhype them, and throw BS decisions, and any success at all from a UK fighter in Americans faces. Also its frustrating when guys like Hatton and Calzaghe NEVER fight out of their home country, or rarely their home city. I freely admit that I dislike Calzaghe, Hatton, and Hated NAZ. I'd say I grew to respect Lennox Lewis, and sorta like Scott Harrison, he is a warrior. It's just that Brits love to shove close or BS decisions in our faces and exaggerate a good UK fighter, when a good UK fighter occasionally hits it big. I remember how many Brits were pretty much guranteeing that Robin Reid was gonna kick Jeff Lacy's a**, then when he was crushed, they all disapeared until Lacy vs Calzaghe, then came back to once again rub it in Americans faces. It just seems like UK fans are...just snobbish bastards for the most part. ;D
whoa whoa whoa. WE overhype our fighters.....when Lacy came over here for the Calzaghe bout, all the american pundits and press were telling us that Lacy was a world-beater and would trounce Calzaghe with his big hits. And as for rubbing it in your faces, surely we were just celebrating a deserved win and comprehensive performance by Calzaghe. And if there is a case of overhyping in recent months, then it has to be Hasim Rahman, who everyone was saying would beat Maskaev, yet fell short of the mark, despite having no bigger victories on his record than Monte Barrett in recent years.
The overhyping issue is one that may work both ways, and that is why we always hgave to take any american boxers reputation with a pinch of salt, simply there are just so many bums who just get beaten to boost records and make others look good doing the rounds in America. And yes, I am a snobbish B******....but not when it comes to my boxing ;)
And if anyone does a comprehensive survey of boxers....I bet there is a higher percentage of Brits who have fought on other shores compared to Americans who have left their homeland to fight.
:coolclick: Pretty much agree with that...you snobbish bastard. ;D
Yeah just pretend that you Brits didn't hype the hell outta Robin Reid before Lacy thrashed him and KO'd him. Or that you didn't all hype NAZ before he fought a real fighter in Barrera and got dominated. Also why the hell should Americans fight overseas unless it is necessary? The U.S. is where the Money is, the U.S. is where the big fights are, NOT the UK. Lacy went overseas, Calzaghe sure as hell didn't come over here did he? Sucra Ray Olivera, and Vince Phillips went over to the UK to fight the British Troll didn't they? BS that UK fighters travel more than American fighters, they should though. Lets be real here.
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One reason why I dislike or hate most UK fighters is that all the Brits on here completely overhype them, and throw BS decisions, and any success at all from a UK fighter in Americans faces. Also its frustrating when guys like Hatton and Calzaghe NEVER fight out of their home country, or rarely their home city. I freely admit that I dislike Calzaghe, Hatton, and Hated NAZ. I'd say I grew to respect Lennox Lewis, and sorta like Scott Harrison, he is a warrior. It's just that Brits love to shove close or BS decisions in our faces and exaggerate a good UK fighter, when a good UK fighter occasionally hits it big. I remember how many Brits were pretty much guranteeing that Robin Reid was gonna kick Jeff Lacy's a**, then when he was crushed, they all disapeared until Lacy vs Calzaghe, then came back to once again rub it in Americans faces. It just seems like UK fans are...just snobbish bastards for the most part. ;D
whoa whoa whoa. WE overhype our fighters.....when Lacy came over here for the Calzaghe bout, all the american pundits and press were telling us that Lacy was a world-beater and would trounce Calzaghe with his big hits. And as for rubbing it in your faces, surely we were just celebrating a deserved win and comprehensive performance by Calzaghe. And if there is a case of overhyping in recent months, then it has to be Hasim Rahman, who everyone was saying would beat Maskaev, yet fell short of the mark, despite having no bigger victories on his record than Monte Barrett in recent years.
The overhyping issue is one that may work both ways, and that is why we always hgave to take any american boxers reputation with a pinch of salt, simply there are just so many bums who just get beaten to boost records and make others look good doing the rounds in America. And yes, I am a snobbish B******....but not when it comes to my boxing ;)
And if anyone does a comprehensive survey of boxers....I bet there is a higher percentage of Brits who have fought on other shores compared to Americans who have left their homeland to fight.
:coolclick: Pretty much agree with that...you snobbish B******. ;D
The U.S. is where the Money is, the U.S. is where the big fights are, NOT the UK.
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One reason why I dislike or hate most UK fighters is that all the Brits on here completely overhype them, and throw BS decisions, and any success at all from a UK fighter in Americans faces. Also its frustrating when guys like Hatton and Calzaghe NEVER fight out of their home country, or rarely their home city. I freely admit that I dislike Calzaghe, Hatton, and Hated NAZ. I'd say I grew to respect Lennox Lewis, and sorta like Scott Harrison, he is a warrior. It's just that Brits love to shove close or BS decisions in our faces and exaggerate a good UK fighter, when a good UK fighter occasionally hits it big. I remember how many Brits were pretty much guranteeing that Robin Reid was gonna kick Jeff Lacy's a**, then when he was crushed, they all disapeared until Lacy vs Calzaghe, then came back to once again rub it in Americans faces. It just seems like UK fans are...just snobbish bastards for the most part. ;D
whoa whoa whoa. WE overhype our fighters.....when Lacy came over here for the Calzaghe bout, all the american pundits and press were telling us that Lacy was a world-beater and would trounce Calzaghe with his big hits. And as for rubbing it in your faces, surely we were just celebrating a deserved win and comprehensive performance by Calzaghe. And if there is a case of overhyping in recent months, then it has to be Hasim Rahman, who everyone was saying would beat Maskaev, yet fell short of the mark, despite having no bigger victories on his record than Monte Barrett in recent years.
The overhyping issue is one that may work both ways, and that is why we always hgave to take any american boxers reputation with a pinch of salt, simply there are just so many bums who just get beaten to boost records and make others look good doing the rounds in America. And yes, I am a snobbish B******....but not when it comes to my boxing ;)
And if anyone does a comprehensive survey of boxers....I bet there is a higher percentage of Brits who have fought on other shores compared to Americans who have left their homeland to fight.
:coolclick: Pretty much agree with that...you snobbish B******. ;D
The U.S. is where the Money is, the U.S. is where the big fights are, NOT the UK.
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Yeah, well the truth hurts doesn't it my dear British Snob?! ;D You truly think that there is more money to be had in the UK, more big fights, and more great fighters over there than here in the States? ;D ::** Yeah, forget Las Vegas, MSG, and Atlantic City, ALL big fights should be held in Manchester!!! Gimme a fuckin break...
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Yeah cause Kosta and Lacy came over here for the scenery. If you say that the home fighter has so much advantage i.e. Hatton and JC, then that would work against them if they went to the US. Why should their opponent get the advantage? As for Rein, I know who gave Joe a tougher fight out of Reid and Lacy. The reason people went on about the Lacy fight so much was that Lacy and the US media hyped him so much and gave "NO" credit to Joe. I saw an interview with LAcy here before the fight and how he said he didn't care where the fight was because he was just gonna take the belt and Joe couldn't do anything about it, how Joe was just a slapper, how Joe was scared to fight him. This was despite him not really having done anything. Then the fight happens and the rest is history.
On a side note, while I agree that nationality and color have nothing to do with boxing, if I was a world champ, I would never fight in Germany. Not because I hate german fighters, just their judges and refs.
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Yeah cause Kosta and Lacy came over here for the scenery. If you say that the home fighter has so much advantage i.e. Hatton and JC, then that would work against them if they went to the US. Why should their opponent get the advantage? As for Rein, I know who gave Joe a tougher fight out of Reid and Lacy. The reason people went on about the Lacy fight so much was that Lacy and the US media hyped him so much and gave "NO" credit to Joe. I saw an interview with LAcy here before the fight and how he said he didn't care where the fight was because he was just gonna take the belt and Joe couldn't do anything about it, how Joe was just a slapper, how Joe was scared to fight him. This was despite him not really having done anything. Then the fight happens and the rest is history.
On a side note, while I agree that nationality and color have nothing to do with boxing, if I was a world champ, I would never fight in Germany. Not because I hate german fighters, just their judges and refs.
CC sanj, Calzaghe is the one with a few belts around his waist, so it doesn't make sense for him to go to the states for a fight at the moment, especially when the other two straps of the big 4 in the division are also in Europe. It's up to the challenger to come and beat him, not for him to put his neck on the line....unless there is massive $$$$$ in it for him.
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I don't think it's so much that Americans hate British fighters, but rather that most of us simply don't know about British fighters. If you're not fighting on HBO these days, you simply have almost no shot at any sort of mainstream recognition here in the states. Calzaghe is coming to the end of his career, and only now is he going to fight on HBO. Hatton's 'American coming out party' has pretty much turned into a complete disaster. They thought his blood and guts style would be instantly admired here, and instead for his first HBO fight he put on a less-than-exciting performance against a no-name, thus losing any chance of pulling in a large amount of American fans who hadn't seen him yet.
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Originally Posted by Hulk
One reason why I dislike or hate most UK fighters is that all the Brits on here completely overhype them, and throw BS decisions, and any success at all from a UK fighter in Americans faces. Also its frustrating when guys like Hatton and Calzaghe NEVER fight out of their home country, or rarely their home city. I freely admit that I dislike Calzaghe, Hatton, and Hated NAZ. I'd say I grew to respect Lennox Lewis, and sorta like Scott Harrison, he is a warrior. It's just that Brits love to shove close or BS decisions in our faces and exaggerate a good UK fighter, when a good UK fighter occasionally hits it big. I remember how many Brits were pretty much guranteeing that Robin Reid was gonna kick Jeff Lacy's a**, then when he was crushed, they all disapeared until Lacy vs Calzaghe, then came back to once again rub it in Americans faces. It just seems like UK fans are...just snobbish bastards for the most part. ;D
whoa whoa whoa. WE overhype our fighters.....when Lacy came over here for the Calzaghe bout, all the american pundits and press were telling us that Lacy was a world-beater and would trounce Calzaghe with his big hits. And as for rubbing it in your faces, surely we were just celebrating a deserved win and comprehensive performance by Calzaghe. And if there is a case of overhyping in recent months, then it has to be Hasim Rahman, who everyone was saying would beat Maskaev, yet fell short of the mark, despite having no bigger victories on his record than Monte Barrett in recent years.
The overhyping issue is one that may work both ways, and that is why we always hgave to take any american boxers reputation with a pinch of salt, simply there are just so many bums who just get beaten to boost records and make others look good doing the rounds in America. And yes, I am a snobbish B******....but not when it comes to my boxing ;)
And if anyone does a comprehensive survey of boxers....I bet there is a higher percentage of Brits who have fought on other shores compared to Americans who have left their homeland to fight.
:coolclick: Pretty much agree with that...you snobbish B******. ;D
The U.S. is where the Money is, the U.S. is where the big fights are, NOT the UK.
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Yeah, well the truth hurts doesn't it my dear British Snob?! ;D You truly think that there is more money to be had in the UK, more big fights, and more great fighters over there than here in the States? ;D ::** Yeah, forget Las Vegas, MSG, and Atlantic City, ALL big fights should be held in Manchester!!! Gimme a F****** break...
Why are they held in Manchester then? I didn't say that all of the big fights and money where in the UK... they a certaintly all not in the USA, you're just too ignorant to realise this...
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I have read this post with interest and have similar views that the american public seem to think that unless you fight in the States you are a bum.
However being a massive football (Soccer ;)) fan i can honestly say that us Brits have the same views regarding Stateside footie players!! :o
Americans are spoilt with the best that Boxing can offer and as a result they base there opinions on what they see on TV, in magazines etc In the UK we are blitzed with football 24/7 and our views seem very similar to the people from the USA of America! :-\
I cant put into words what i actually mean so sorry if ive confused anyone! :lickish:
Great to meet you and your old man on Friday Dan! :drinker:
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cause there not from America ;D
and we put on our Hater hats unless somthing happens like what happened it the Lacy -Calzaghe fight where Calzaghe swept every americn off there feet ;)
to be honest though when i was in SE London and sparred w/ brittish boxers they showed me nothing but respect asa boxer so personaly its who brings what to the ring, not where brought who to the ring ;)
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One reason why I dislike or hate most UK fighters is that all the Brits on here completely overhype them, and throw BS decisions, and any success at all from a UK fighter in Americans faces. Also its frustrating when guys like Hatton and Calzaghe NEVER fight out of their home country, or rarely their home city. I freely admit that I dislike Calzaghe, Hatton, and Hated NAZ. I'd say I grew to respect Lennox Lewis, and sorta like Scott Harrison, he is a warrior. It's just that Brits love to shove close or BS decisions in our faces and exaggerate a good UK fighter, when a good UK fighter occasionally hits it big. I remember how many Brits were pretty much guranteeing that Robin Reid was gonna kick Jeff Lacy's a**, then when he was crushed, they all disapeared until Lacy vs Calzaghe, then came back to once again rub it in Americans faces. It just seems like UK fans are...just snobbish bastards for the most part. ;D
whoa whoa whoa. WE overhype our fighters.....when Lacy came over here for the Calzaghe bout, all the american pundits and press were telling us that Lacy was a world-beater and would trounce Calzaghe with his big hits. And as for rubbing it in your faces, surely we were just celebrating a deserved win and comprehensive performance by Calzaghe. And if there is a case of overhyping in recent months, then it has to be Hasim Rahman, who everyone was saying would beat Maskaev, yet fell short of the mark, despite having no bigger victories on his record than Monte Barrett in recent years.
The overhyping issue is one that may work both ways, and that is why we always hgave to take any american boxers reputation with a pinch of salt, simply there are just so many bums who just get beaten to boost records and make others look good doing the rounds in America. And yes, I am a snobbish B******....but not when it comes to my boxing ;)
And if anyone does a comprehensive survey of boxers....I bet there is a higher percentage of Brits who have fought on other shores compared to Americans who have left their homeland to fight.
:coolclick: Pretty much agree with that...you snobbish B******. ;D
The U.S. is where the Money is, the U.S. is where the big fights are, NOT the UK.
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Yeah, well the truth hurts doesn't it my dear British Snob?! ;D You truly think that there is more money to be had in the UK, more big fights, and more great fighters over there than here in the States? ;D ::** Yeah, forget Las Vegas, MSG, and Atlantic City, ALL big fights should be held in Manchester!!! Gimme a F****** break...
Why are they held in Manchester then? I didn't say that
all of the big fights and money where in the UK... they a certaintly all not in the USA, you're just too ignorant to realise this...
I didn't say ALL fights should be in the US either, but about 80% of all big fights take place in the United States. I wonder why NAZ and Hatton decided to finally come over here huh? I wonder why Winky mande peanuts fightin in Europe, but the big bucks and the big fights over here? Because the vast majority of super fights are over here. Aside from Hatton and Calzaghe who do you have? Woods and Harrison, maybe, but thats it.
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From the impression I get from this forum, and plenty of american boxers, a lot of yanks just don't like british boxers. I hate to generalise but all I ever hear is hate towards Hatton, Calzaghe, Lewis, Eubank, Benn, Bruno and pretty much every british fighter to cross the shores or have any sort of exposure. I can't explain it, so I was hoping someone would enlighten me, because it seems none of you have a problem with Irish Fighters, and all you yanks with a drop of Irish blood in you all of a sudden feel the need to wear tartan! I'm half Irish myself and I don't feel any different from the the next guy. I'm confused ???
Go Hatton and Calzaghe!
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One reason why I dislike or hate most UK fighters is that all the Brits on here completely overhype them, and throw BS decisions, and any success at all from a UK fighter in Americans faces. Also its frustrating when guys like Hatton and Calzaghe NEVER fight out of their home country, or rarely their home city. I freely admit that I dislike Calzaghe, Hatton, and Hated NAZ. I'd say I grew to respect Lennox Lewis, and sorta like Scott Harrison, he is a warrior. It's just that Brits love to shove close or BS decisions in our faces and exaggerate a good UK fighter, when a good UK fighter occasionally hits it big. I remember how many Brits were pretty much guranteeing that Robin Reid was gonna kick Jeff Lacy's a**, then when he was crushed, they all disapeared until Lacy vs Calzaghe, then came back to once again rub it in Americans faces. It just seems like UK fans are...just snobbish bastards for the most part. ;D
whoa whoa whoa. WE overhype our fighters.....when Lacy came over here for the Calzaghe bout, all the american pundits and press were telling us that Lacy was a world-beater and would trounce Calzaghe with his big hits. And as for rubbing it in your faces, surely we were just celebrating a deserved win and comprehensive performance by Calzaghe. And if there is a case of overhyping in recent months, then it has to be Hasim Rahman, who everyone was saying would beat Maskaev, yet fell short of the mark, despite having no bigger victories on his record than Monte Barrett in recent years.
The overhyping issue is one that may work both ways, and that is why we always hgave to take any american boxers reputation with a pinch of salt, simply there are just so many bums who just get beaten to boost records and make others look good doing the rounds in America. And yes, I am a snobbish B******....but not when it comes to my boxing ;)
And if anyone does a comprehensive survey of boxers....I bet there is a higher percentage of Brits who have fought on other shores compared to Americans who have left their homeland to fight.
:coolclick: Pretty much agree with that...you snobbish B******. ;D
The U.S. is where the Money is, the U.S. is where the big fights are, NOT the UK.
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Yeah, well the truth hurts doesn't it my dear British Snob?! ;D You truly think that there is more money to be had in the UK, more big fights, and more great fighters over there than here in the States? ;D ::** Yeah, forget Las Vegas, MSG, and Atlantic City, ALL big fights should be held in Manchester!!! Gimme a F****** break...
Why are they held in Manchester then? I didn't say that
all of the big fights and money where in the UK... they a certaintly all not in the USA, you're just too ignorant to realise this...
I didn't say ALL fights should be in the US either, but about 80% of all big fights take place in the United States. I wonder why NAZ and Hatton decided to finally come over here huh? I wonder why Winky mande peanuts fightin in Europe, but the big bucks and the big fights over here? Because the vast majority of super fights are over here. Aside from Hatton and Calzaghe who do you have? Woods and Harrison, maybe, but thats it.
You said THE Big fights and THE Big money... not some SOME OF THE...
What point are you even trying to make here exactly Hulk? A country with a huge population and econmoy has more big fighters and big money fights than a much smaller one?
Really?.. I'm shocked.
Naz and Hatton went to America to get the biggest fight... but when you are the biggest fight why shouldn't fighters come to you? There are plenty of crap British fighters who go to America to try and get on the ladder... But do the likes of Calzaghe really have to go to America? When was the last time Floyd or Taylor fought outside of America?
When you are the best fighters come to you.
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I agree Adam, Calzaghe shouldn't have to go anywhere right now - I see him being more unbeatable than Mayweather, but 4 years ago when Hopkins and RJJ were at their peak it was his job to make a name for himself in America so they didn't have any excuses not to make the fight happen.
And even though I just said he shouldn't have to come out of England to fight, he still needs to do something across the pond on account of our own ignorance. Like I've said on other posts, it's embedded in our brains to think 'America this and America that'.
Joe coming over here can help turn that ignorant bullshit around O0
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I agree Adam, Calzaghe shouldn't have to go anywhere right now - I see him being more unbeatable than Mayweather, but 4 years ago when Hopkins and RJJ were at their peak it was his job to make a name for himself in America so they didn't have any excuses not to make the fight happen.
And even though I just said he shouldn't have to come out of England to fight, he still needs to do something across the pond on account of our own ignorance. Like I've said on other posts, it's embedded in our brains to think 'America this and America that'.
Joe coming over here can help turn that ignorant bullshit around O0
CC for you, good points put forward. But....
So the answer to all the critics of young Mr Calzaghe is to go over to the US and fight who......
Bernard Hopkins - He'll always be criticised for fighting a Hopkins who's over the hill and on his way down.
Roy Jones Jr - ditto
Antonio Tarver - He's not even fighting that much anymore now he's a film star, and in his last fight had his arse handed to him on a platter by an old man.
Allan Green - Green already has critics in the states who say that he isn't all he promises to be after a disappointing showing last time out.
Well to quote Brad Pitt in Troy...."Is there no one else"?
(Hopefully some more knowledgable american fans can put forward their selections.)
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I agree Adam, Calzaghe shouldn't have to go anywhere right now - I see him being more unbeatable than Mayweather, but 4 years ago when Hopkins and RJJ were at their peak it was his job to make a name for himself in America so they didn't have any excuses not to make the fight happen.
And even though I just said he shouldn't have to come out of England to fight, he still needs to do something across the pond on account of our own ignorance. Like I've said on other posts, it's embedded in our brains to think 'America this and America that'.
Joe coming over here can help turn that ignorant bullshit around O0
CC for you, good points put forward. But....
So the answer to all the critics of young Mr Calzaghe is to go over to the US and fight who......
Bernard Hopkins - He'll always be criticised for fighting a Hopkins who's over the hill and on his way down.
Roy Jones Jr - ditto
Antonio Tarver - He's not even fighting that much anymore now he's a film star, and in his last fight had his arse handed to him on a platter by an old man.
Allan Green - Green already has critics in the states who say that he isn't all he promises to be after a disappointing showing last time out.
Well to quote Brad Pitt in Troy...."Is there no one else"?
(Hopefully some more knowledgable american fans can put forward their selections.)
Firstly I would like to start by saying that I would like to get a good view of Calzaghe first hand, not on youtube, so maybe that's why I want him to come to the states.
Agreed that there is not much out there for Calzaghe in the US, although a fight with Antonio Tarver should bring him a hefty payday and an easy W, that's about it. Joe Spina is someone else that could be a worthy opponent, although JC would handle him quite easily. And of course he could make a mockery of the Contender season 1 guys, just pick em off one by one, Alfonso Gomez would prolly bring him a good payday as well.
Hatton on the other hand has made the right decision coming to the US as the competition in Welter and Light Welter here is quite fierce, he will have better access to a lot of really talented Mexican and Pueto Rican fighters as well.
