MUHAMMAD ALI WAS NOT THE GREATEST

IT IS FOOLISH FOR HIM TO SUGGEST THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN IN FIGHT... I FIGHT BEARS IN THE OLD COUNTRY AND WAS IN ALABAMA AND HAD DO A WRESSLE TO ANALLIGATOR WHO DID TRY TO DO AN EAT TO MY BOAT...

TYSON IS GET CRUSHED BY REAL RUSSIAN MAN, LIKE VITALI OR WLAD, THEY ARE TO BE TO BIG AND STRONG FOR HIM.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/fotos/vitali_byrd.jpg

IF TYSONISWORST WANT TO DO A CHALLENGE TO ME I WILL HIT HIM IN A WAY THAT HE NEVER MAKE CHILDREN.

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hahaha... me or Ice cold? HAHAHAHA! I'm a competative boxer... but I refuse to get any further into this conversation than telling you that...

It's just another pathetic trolling attempt... ::**

And so what if some one hasn't... they're either smart enough not of needed to fight... or well off enough not to need to fight... good for them.

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i an not on about have in a fight .i am on about go in to a fight/

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OF COURSE I GO FIGHT... I TELL TO YOU... I AM BOXER... I GO TO MY FIGHTS AND FIGHT OF MY COMRADE... AND IF YOU NOT CAREFULL I WILL BE "GO IN TO A FIGHT YOU!"

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hahaha... me or Ice cold? HAHAHAHA! I'm a competative boxer... but I refuse to get any further into this conversation than telling you that...

It's just another pathetic trolling attempt... ::**

And so what if some one hasn't... they're either smart enough not of needed to fight... or well off enough not to need to fight... good for them.

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i an not on about have in a fight .i am on about go in to a fight/

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OF COURSE I GO FIGHT... I TELL TO YOU... I AM BOXER... I GO TO MY FIGHTS AND FIGHT OF MY COMRADE... AND IF YOU NOT CAREFULL I WILL BE "GO IN TO A FIGHT YOU!"R U A PRO BOXER?

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WHAT IS MATTER? HAS TOUNGE TO BE TAKEN BY CAT?

I WANT YOUS TO STEPS AND UP TO CHALLENGE ME, YOU HAVE NO SKILL. I MUST BREAK YOU!

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WHAT IS MATTER? HAS TOUNGE TO BE TAKEN BY CAT?

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hahahahaha i love it when you lot start doing this... lol
x is hilarious when he does this aswell
peace

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WHAT IS MATTER? HAS TOUNGE TO BE TAKEN BY CAT?

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hahahahaha i love it when you lot start doing this... lol
x is hilarious when he does this aswell
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they r brain dead mate

YOU ARE TO BE BRAIN DEAD... YOUR THREAD TITLE NOT MAKE SENSE AND I AM TO BE DESTROYING YOUR LAST LIVING BRAIN CELL... YOU SAY ALI WAS NOT GREATEST...

AT ONE POINT IN TIME HE WASN'T THE GREATEST... SO YOU ARE 100% CORRECT... HE WAS NOT... BUT HE PROVE HIMSELF AND NOW HE IS...

THINK YOU MEEN HE ISN'T THE GREATEST... NOT WASN'T... BUT YOU ARE NOT LEARNING ENGLISH FROM REAL ENGLISH GENTLEMEN IN KHASVOLIKZAN UNIVERSTY LIKE ME.

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YOU ARE TO BE BRAIN DEAD... YOUR THREAD TITLE NOT MAKE SENSE AND I AM TO BE DESTROYING YOUR LAST LIVING BRAIN CELL... YOU SAY ALI WAS NOT GREATEST...

AT ONE POINT IN TIME HE WASN'T THE GREATEST... SO YOU ARE 100% CORRECT... HE WAS NOT... BUT HE PROVE HIMSELF AND NOW HE IS...

THINK YOU MEEN HE ISN'T THE GREATEST... NOT WASN'T... BUT YOU ARE NOT LEARNING ENGLISH FROM REAL ENGLISH GENTLEMEN IN KHASVOLIKZAN UNIVERSTY LIKE ME.u could not beat eggs

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THAT IS FUNNY... YOU ARE NOT EVEN KNOWING ME

NOW I RHYME TO YOU LIKE ME MAN ALEE

YOUR BOY TYSONE?

ALI DROP HIM IN ONE?

MIKE?

WE SEND HIM ON HIS BIKE

YOU WANT TO FIGHT ME? IT NOT EVEN A TEST

I PUT YOU TO REST

1, 2 ,3

THE REFEREE

COUNT TO TEN

YOU NEVER TALK SMACK, TO ILL MITCH AGEN

ok thats enough of that.... :flush:

Sorry guys but there is just no excuse for poor quoting skills ;D

SADDO IS BANNING

HE DISRUPT WHAT ILL MITCH WAS PLANNING

SADDO MAKE MITCH MADDO

MITCH PUNCH SAD BOY'S FACE

AND LAUNCH HIM INTO SPACE

HE SEND HIS GIRL TO RUSSIA

BUT ILL MITCH CAN JUST CRUSH HER

HE NEVER MAKE MITCH LOOK A FOOL

NEXT TIME HE IS TAKING TYSON FAN TO SCHOOL

AGAIN, OR MITCH WILL BRING THE PAIN

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SADDO IS BANNING

HE DISRUPT WHAT ILL MITCH WAS PLANNING

SADDO MAKE MITCH MADDO

MITCH PUNCH SAD BOY'S FACE

AND LAUNCH HIM INTO SPACE

HE SEND HIS GIRL TO RUSSIA

BUT ILL MITCH CAN JUST CRUSH HER

HE NEVER MAKE MITCH LOOK A FOOL

NEXT TIME HE IS TAKING TYSON FAN TO SCHOOL

AGAIN, OR MITCH WILL BRING THE PAIN

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haha good one

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I bet u have never been to a fight in your life?

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why hell would i go miles and miles to watch a fight when i can sit in my front room nice a comfy with no annoying fans in the way and see more on tele ;)

Just my 2 cents, Ali is the greatest!!! Followed by Louis in 2nd & Johnson in 3rd.

I also don't think he was the greatest... He the physical skills much of the time, but alot of his fights he just didn't show up... I've seen at like 5-6 fights of his against lower level opponents where he should have lost on points or gets out boxed and wins by KO ala Leonard vs. Mayweather Sr. or Hearns.

Was he the greatest P4P boxer ever NO!!!!...That will IMO always be Ray Robinson....An arguement that no one could ever change my mind on...Was he the greatest Heavyweight ever YES!!!!!....Again an arguement no one could ever change my mind on.....

Gold Medal winner....First 3 time HW champion ever....His speed was something to be marveled...To see a man that big throw punches so fast...He floated ( almost literaly) his footwork is almost un matched....He had a chin that was like granite....He fought Liston, Patterson, Quarry, Bunger, Frazier, Ellis, Bonevena, Foreman, Norton, Cooper, Folley...I could go on for hours. His rope a dope makes you wince at the shots he takes yet scream at his ability to withstand them. He was a money maker. He predicted and came through on his KO's.....
When he lost he came back better than before. He never looked for the easy fight. He hit harder than most give credit for..........
Perhaps what made him the GREATEST of them all is he stood by his convictions...Never was backed down by the public or goverment....

And to think we missed some of his prime during exile!!!!!!!


To talk about him as anything but great is ignorance...The man is an Icon and American Culture Symbol.....Point mader case closed....Name one fighter....Make that Athlete to even compare to him all around...Not in one aspect but the whole package!!!!!!........Someone BOOT THIS CLOWN.....He stinks up tha place....This is not opinion...This was something just to get us going....Probably the same guy who posted a while back Ali died.....

tyson was the greatest
he was the devil's advocate
good guys finish last
do you all think so ???

ali was the greatest-he could beat all the rest of the greats--made good fighters look bad, just 2 good --the perfect boxer if there ever was 1

there was however 1 boxer he could not beat convincinly---ken norton

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ali was the greatest-he could beat all the rest of the greats--made good fighters look bad, just 2 good --the perfect boxer if there ever was 1

there was however 1 boxer he could not beat convincinly---ken norton

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Robinson was the greatest ever, but for heavyweight it was Ali. As for Ken Norton every fighter has that one guy who gives him grief... for Ali it was Norton.

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ali was the greatest-he could beat all the rest of the greats--made good fighters look bad, just 2 good --the perfect boxer if there ever was 1

there was however 1 boxer he could not beat convincinly---ken norton

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they say norton should of won 2 out of 3

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ali was the greatest-he could beat all the rest of the greats--made good fighters look bad, just 2 good --the perfect boxer if there ever was 1

there was however 1 boxer he could not beat convincinly---ken norton

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Norton says he won all 3. And Jake LaMotta says he won 3 out of 6 with Robinson.

Every "perfect" boxer has that thorn of a fighter that makes them look human.
Some are lucky and avoid them or never have the chance to fight them. IMO.

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ali was the greatest-he could beat all the rest of the greats--made good fighters look bad, just 2 good --the perfect boxer if there ever was 1

there was however 1 boxer he could not beat convincinly---ken norton

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they say norton should of won 2 out of 3

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Norton says he won all 3. And Jake LaMotta says he won 3 out of 6 with Robinson.

Every "perfect" boxer has that thorn of a fighter that makes them look human.
Some are lucky and avoid them or never have the chance to fight them. IMO.

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he wernt perfect great fighter but not perfect i see norton vs ali 1 recently and was suprised how norton outjabbed him quite badly

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I agree with you, he is definitely the athlete/personality of the 20th century. The only person who I think can come close in terms of recognition and supremacy within their sport is Pele - but he did not become the social symbol that Ali (maybe not wholly intentionally) became.

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I agree with you, he is definitely the athlete/personality of the 20th century. The only person who I think can come close in terms of recognition and supremacy within their sport is Pele - but he did not become the social symbol that Ali (maybe not wholly intentionally) became.

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u mean in skills ?? then i pick larry holmes both similar both quick both had good right hands both had good footwork both had granite chins and my opinion anyway i think holmes had better jab than ali

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I agree with you, he is definitely the athlete/personality of the 20th century. The only person who I think can come close in terms of recognition and supremacy within their sport is Pele - but he did not become the social symbol that Ali (maybe not wholly intentionally) became.

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u mean in skills ?? then i pick larry holmes both similar both quick both had good right hands both had good footwork both had granite chins and my opinion anyway i think holmes had better jab than ali

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Yeah, Larry Holmes was a great fighter, but I think the guy who comes first gets much more credit (maybe as Holmes stylistically had some things in common with a mid-career Ali, he was written off unfairly as a clone or carbon-copy). Ali broke the mold for a heavyweight fighter, in the way he fought as well as the way he conducted himself.Also, I suppose, many of Homes' defences were for alphabet belts while Ali defended the WORLD title. Not entirely Holmes' fault, but it is still the way that it is?

Ali would have whooped Tyson so bad that Tyson would have lost his lisp, so you're just rambling on about retarded shit, ok buddy ;)

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I agree with you, he is definitely the athlete/personality of the 20th century. The only person who I think can come close in terms of recognition and supremacy within their sport is Pele - but he did not become the social symbol that Ali (maybe not wholly intentionally) became.

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u mean in skills ?? then i pick larry holmes both similar both quick both had good right hands both had good footwork both had granite chins and my opinion anyway i think holmes had better jab than ali

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Yeah, Larry Holmes was a great fighter, but I think the guy who comes first gets much more credit (maybe as Holmes stylistically had some things in common with a mid-career Ali, he was written off unfairly as a clone or carbon-copy). Ali broke the mold for a heavyweight fighter, in the way he fought as well as the way he conducted himself.Also, I suppose, many of Homes' defences were for alphabet belts while Ali defended the WORLD title. Not entirely Holmes' fault, but it is still the way that it is?

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agreed i just think holmes is forgotten for how much skills he actually had he reminded me bit of ali im not saying holmes can compete with ali in things he done but surely there isnt much between them in there skills ??

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....Name one fighter....Make that Athlete to even compare to him all around...Not in one aspect but the whole package!!!!!!........

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I agree with you, he is definitely the athlete/personality of the 20th century. The only person who I think can come close in terms of recognition and supremacy within their sport is Pele - but he did not become the social symbol that Ali (maybe not wholly intentionally) became.

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u mean in skills ?? then i pick larry holmes both similar both quick both had good right hands both had good footwork both had granite chins and my opinion anyway i think holmes had better jab than ali

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Yeah, Larry Holmes was a great fighter, but I think the guy who comes first gets much more credit (maybe as Holmes stylistically had some things in common with a mid-career Ali, he was written off unfairly as a clone or carbon-copy). Ali broke the mold for a heavyweight fighter, in the way he fought as well as the way he conducted himself.Also, I suppose, many of Homes' defences were for alphabet belts while Ali defended the WORLD title. Not entirely Holmes' fault, but it is still the way that it is?

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agreed i just think holmes is forgotten for how much skills he actually had he reminded me bit of ali im not saying holmes can compete with ali in things he done but surely there isnt much between them in there skills ??

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I think you're right - Holmes has been almost criminally underrated. His crime was following a dominant all time great. He is Ezzard Charles and Gene Tunney all over again (they were underrated, and still are, having followed Louis and Dempsey)

Holmes would have given any heavyweight in history a damn good fight in his prime, and not at long odds either.

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....Name one fighter....Make that Athlete to even compare to him all around...Not in one aspect but the whole package!!!!!!........

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I agree with you, he is definitely the athlete/personality of the 20th century. The only person who I think can come close in terms of recognition and supremacy within their sport is Pele - but he did not become the social symbol that Ali (maybe not wholly intentionally) became.

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u mean in skills ?? then i pick larry holmes both similar both quick both had good right hands both had good footwork both had granite chins and my opinion anyway i think holmes had better jab than ali

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Yeah, Larry Holmes was a great fighter, but I think the guy who comes first gets much more credit (maybe as Holmes stylistically had some things in common with a mid-career Ali, he was written off unfairly as a clone or carbon-copy). Ali broke the mold for a heavyweight fighter, in the way he fought as well as the way he conducted himself.Also, I suppose, many of Homes' defences were for alphabet belts while Ali defended the WORLD title. Not entirely Holmes' fault, but it is still the way that it is?

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agreed i just think holmes is forgotten for how much skills he actually had he reminded me bit of ali im not saying holmes can compete with ali in things he done but surely there isnt much between them in there skills ??

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I think you're right - Holmes has been almost criminally underrated. His crime was following a dominant all time great. He is Ezzard Charles and Gene Tunney all over again (they were underrated, and still are, having followed Louis and Dempsey)

Holmes would have given any heavyweight in history a damn good fight in his prime, and not at long odds either.

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agreed

Ali is the Greatest heavyweight ever IN the ring because he was suposedly suposed to have no chance to win against liston ...and TEN whole years later against Foreman who also was suposedly unbeatable...then held the titles for 4 years ...and he did what he did against joe frazier and every other top 10 heavyweight in the 15 years he fought ....

also hes the "Greatest " because before those "un-winnable" fights when experts expected him to get destroyed he told them hed win Because he the greatest ...he never had a loss that was not revenged twice untill he was 39 and had parkinsons

Also he was 1st to win the titles 3 times and was the best in the division at any given time between 1963-1977

Ali was one of the most elegant ive ever watched....

but all the fighters of that era didnt hardly even lift weights or anything, they look like average joes.

put a body building regimin on ali and bring him from the past till now, it would be murderous!!!!!!! O0

I still am not convinvced that weight lifting improves a fighter that much. Basically, only the heavyweights can do it as everyone else is battling the scales.

I still think that a bulked up, muscley Holyfield was less strong than Sonny Liston for example, despite all the woeightlifting