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Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
if hopkins says 90/10 then thats what he should get.
umm no it shouldnt thats stupid statement calzaghe is 41-0 8 years champion 19 defences how dare u say that
Actualy its 9 years TODAY! :P oh at its 19 providing he beats bikka:p only 18 atm:p
One thing I noticed is that. And looking at boxrec is that someone you all call an overrated bum Hamed http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=4462
had 15 defenses in 8 years unbeaten. Calzaghe isn't that far off from it. But I can't understand why Calzaghe is so up there and you place Hamed on a bridge of overrated fighters because Barerra beat him. What I DO hope is that Calzaghe gets his kudos so that when he is beaten one day you don't call him an overrated nobody. Like I said, I was impressed with his victory over Lacy, in terms of the 1000 punches, but as far as my confidence in Joe, I won 200 dollars betting my friend that Lacy wouldn't win a round :-P
But I can't wait to see Calzaghe against Bika so I can really form an opinion on him, haven't seen him fight much so this is a chance.
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by Majesty
I thought Don King never promoted Hopkins.
Not quite the article i was looking for...
Middleweight champion Hopkins is top of the wanted list, with a big-money fight - possibly in front of 40,000 fans at Cardiff's Millennium Stadium - looking ever more likely.
Hopkins revealed that he and his promoter, Don King, are in talks with television company Showtime - who screen Calzaghe's fights.
Calzaghe set out to make himself an attractive proposition to the American boxing public and largely won them over during his gruelling televised 12-rounder against Brewer.
"Right now I'm negotiating along with Don King and Jay Larkin of Showtime," Hopkins told maxboxing.com.
"We're talking to him about two fights, maybe my mandatory defence too, which makes it a three-fight deal.
"It would be the mandatory, Harry Simon and Joe Calzaghe."
Hopkins holds all but one version of the world title in the middleweight division, and only undefeated Namibian Simon stands between the American and his goal of unifying the titles.
Simon, who like Calzaghe is promoted by Frank Warren, claimed the WBO crown in Copenhagen last month with a victory over Armand Krajnc
Looks like none of those fights happened, doesn't sound like he was ducking Calzaghe in particular.
Was this around the time where Don tried to make Hopkins bankrupt and he was inactive for almost two years and came back and had to fight hakkar instead?
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Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
So if Maskaev is so much easier than Calzaghe, hows it more of an achievment? Despite the fact that Oleg is so much bigger why is Calzaghe more of a threat? Because he's a master boxer, on the same level as Bernard and Roy Jones (well maybe not quite Roy but Nard was never there either :)). It seems to me thats the easy way out.
Granted I get what you're saying, compound everything he's done with winning a heavyweight title but it's just on paper that it looks good. Lets be real :)
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Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by raleights
So if Maskaev is so much easier than Calzaghe, hows it more of an achievment? Despite the fact that Oleg is so much bigger why is Calzaghe more of a threat? Because he's a master boxer, on the same level as Bernard and Roy Jones (well maybe not quite Roy but Nard was never there either :)). It seems to me thats the easy way out.
Granted I get what you're saying, compound everything he's done with winning a heavyweight title but it's just on paper that it'd looks good. Lets be real :)
I don't think he's on the same level as Bernard and Jones in terms of master boxing. Jones wasn't even a master boxer, he got away with unorthodox things because he was so talented and fast. Bernard was more of a master boxer because of his basics mastering of them imo.
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Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by raleights
So if Maskaev is so much easier than Calzaghe, hows it more of an achievment? Despite the fact that Oleg is so much bigger why is Calzaghe more of a threat? Because he's a master boxer, on the same level as Bernard and Roy Jones (well maybe not quite Roy but Nard was never there either :)). It seems to me thats the easy way out.
Granted I get what you're saying, compound everything he's done with winning a heavyweight title but it's just on paper that it looks good. Lets be real :)
True, after all most people prolly dunno even know who the hell maskaev is - Klitchkov is the top dog at HW, now that wud be a great win for hopkins; Maskaev wud just eipemise his career to me for taking the easy way out - Personaly i don't think hopkins shud fight again, hes 41 time to call it a day.
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Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
if hopkins says 90/10 then thats what he should get.
umm no it shouldnt thats stupid statement calzaghe is 41-0 8 years champion 19 defences how dare u say that
Actualy its 9 years TODAY! :P oh at its 19 providing he beats bikka:p only 18 atm:p
One thing I noticed is that. And looking at boxrec is that someone you all call an overrated bum Hamed
http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=4462
had 15 defenses in 8 years unbeaten. Calzaghe isn't that far off from it. But I can't understand why Calzaghe is so up there and you place Hamed on a bridge of overrated fighters because Barerra beat him. What I DO hope is that Calzaghe gets his kudos so that when he is beaten one day you don't call him an overrated nobody. Like I said, I was impressed with his victory over Lacy, in terms of the 1000 punches, but as far as my confidence in Joe, I won 200 dollars betting my friend that Lacy wouldn't win a round :-P
But I can't wait to see Calzaghe against Bika so I can really form an opinion on him, haven't seen him fight much so this is a chance.
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by Majesty
I thought Don King never promoted Hopkins.
Not quite the article i was looking for...
Middleweight champion Hopkins is top of the wanted list, with a big-money fight - possibly in front of 40,000 fans at Cardiff's Millennium Stadium - looking ever more likely.
Hopkins revealed that he and his promoter, Don King, are in talks with television company Showtime - who screen Calzaghe's fights.
Calzaghe set out to make himself an attractive proposition to the American boxing public and largely won them over during his gruelling televised 12-rounder against Brewer.
"Right now I'm negotiating along with Don King and Jay Larkin of Showtime," Hopkins told maxboxing.com.
"We're talking to him about two fights, maybe my mandatory defence too, which makes it a three-fight deal.
"It would be the mandatory, Harry Simon and Joe Calzaghe."
Hopkins holds all but one version of the world title in the middleweight division, and only undefeated Namibian Simon stands between the American and his goal of unifying the titles.
Simon, who like Calzaghe is promoted by Frank Warren, claimed the WBO crown in Copenhagen last month with a victory over Armand Krajnc
Looks like none of those fights happened, doesn't sound like he was ducking Calzaghe in particular.
Was this around the time where Don tried to make Hopkins bankrupt and he was inactive for almost two years and came back and had to fight hakkar instead?
I hated Hamed his entire career, he was a prick the first itme he ever step in a pro ring, and him and warren handpicked every fighter for him EVEN barrera.
They thought barerra was doing to do what he did with morales, and stand and go toe to toe with hammed. Hammed avoided barrera and morales for a long time, and if he had any spine he wuda come back and fought barerra again, or morales. Look at barrera, morales pac; when the lose they either fight the same guy within the next few fights or another world class fighter, what did nas do? not a damn thing. He cudnt box for shit, he had very very has hard hittign hands yes, good sharpt reflexes, but box? if he wasnt such a tw@ maybe he cuda learnt - IMO the barrera who beat nas was a novice compared to the barrera of late - and he boxed nas with ease.
as for the hopkins thing, like i said they agreed hopkins wud get $3mill for fighting calzaghe in the Us this was after he beat tito
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Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
if hopkins says 90/10 then thats what he should get.
umm no it shouldnt thats stupid statement calzaghe is 41-0 8 years champion 19 defences how dare u say that
Actualy its 9 years TODAY! :P oh at its 19 providing he beats bikka:p only 18 atm:p
One thing I noticed is that. And looking at boxrec is that someone you all call an overrated bum Hamed
http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=4462
had 15 defenses in 8 years unbeaten. Calzaghe isn't that far off from it. But I can't understand why Calzaghe is so up there and you place Hamed on a bridge of overrated fighters because Barerra beat him. What I DO hope is that Calzaghe gets his kudos so that when he is beaten one day you don't call him an overrated nobody. Like I said, I was impressed with his victory over Lacy, in terms of the 1000 punches, but as far as my confidence in Joe, I won 200 dollars betting my friend that Lacy wouldn't win a round :-P
But I can't wait to see Calzaghe against Bika so I can really form an opinion on him, haven't seen him fight much so this is a chance.
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by Majesty
I thought Don King never promoted Hopkins.
Not quite the article i was looking for...
Middleweight champion Hopkins is top of the wanted list, with a big-money fight - possibly in front of 40,000 fans at Cardiff's Millennium Stadium - looking ever more likely.
Hopkins revealed that he and his promoter, Don King, are in talks with television company Showtime - who screen Calzaghe's fights.
Calzaghe set out to make himself an attractive proposition to the American boxing public and largely won them over during his gruelling televised 12-rounder against Brewer.
"Right now I'm negotiating along with Don King and Jay Larkin of Showtime," Hopkins told maxboxing.com.
"We're talking to him about two fights, maybe my mandatory defence too, which makes it a three-fight deal.
"It would be the mandatory, Harry Simon and Joe Calzaghe."
Hopkins holds all but one version of the world title in the middleweight division, and only undefeated Namibian Simon stands between the American and his goal of unifying the titles.
Simon, who like Calzaghe is promoted by Frank Warren, claimed the WBO crown in Copenhagen last month with a victory over Armand Krajnc
Looks like none of those fights happened, doesn't sound like he was ducking Calzaghe in particular.
Was this around the time where Don tried to make Hopkins bankrupt and he was inactive for almost two years and came back and had to fight hakkar instead?
I hated Hamed his entire career, he was a prick the first itme he ever step in a pro ring, and him and warren handpicked every fighter for him EVEN barrera.
They thought barerra was doing to do what he did with morales, and stand and go toe to toe with hammed. Hammed avoided barrera and morales for a long time, and if he had any spine he wuda come back and fought barerra again, or morales. Look at barrera, morales pac; when the lose they either fight the same guy within the next few fights or another world class fighter, what did nas do? not a damn thing. He cudnt box for shit, he had very very has hard hittign hands yes, good sharpt reflexes, but box? if he wasnt such a tw@ maybe he cuda learnt - IMO the barrera who beat nas was a novice compared to the barrera of late - and he boxed nas with ease.
as for the hopkins thing, like i said they agreed hopkins wud get $3mill for fighting calzaghe in the Us this was after he beat tito
I was talking about accomplishments.
Yea and thats when Don King tried to make Hopkins bankrupt and he was inactive for almost 2 years right? And then had to come back and fought Hakkar on hbo?
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Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by raleights
So if Maskaev is so much easier than Calzaghe, hows it more of an achievment? Despite the fact that Oleg is so much bigger why is Calzaghe more of a threat? Because he's a master boxer, on the same level as Bernard and Roy Jones (well maybe not quite Roy but Nard was never there either :)). It seems to me thats the easy way out.
Granted I get what you're saying, compound everything he's done with winning a heavyweight title but it's just on paper that it'd looks good. Lets be real :)
I don't think he's on the same level as Bernard and Jones in terms of master boxing. Jones wasn't even a master boxer, he got away with unorthodox things because he was so talented and fast. Bernard was more of a master boxer because of his basics mastering of them imo.
Whether it be through the use of the basics, natural ability, whatever - when you compete and dominate on an elite level in the way Joe/Bernard/Roy have, you're a master boxer. IMO atleast
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Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by Majesty
I was talking about accomplishments.
Yea and thats when Don King tried to make Hopkins bankrupt and he was inactive for almost 2 years right? And then had to come back and fought Hakkar on hbo?
he fought Carl Daniels like 5 months after the felix fight, then hakkar 11 months later. i don't even wanna get inot this don king trying to make him bankrupt thing u got going lol....
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Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by raleights
So if Maskaev is so much easier than Calzaghe, hows it more of an achievment? Despite the fact that Oleg is so much bigger why is Calzaghe more of a threat? Because he's a master boxer, on the same level as Bernard and Roy Jones (well maybe not quite Roy but Nard was never there either :)). It seems to me thats the easy way out.
Granted I get what you're saying, compound everything he's done with winning a heavyweight title but it's just on paper that it looks good. Lets be real :)
Nobody will care in 20 years if Hopkins has a win against Calzaghe on his record, Calzaghe is a great British fighter but he's not a worldwide phenomenon and won't be considered as one of the best ever in 20 years(unless he beat Hopkins and others, but this is about Hopkins winning, if he beats Calzage well it just shows Calzaghe wasn't on Hopkins level.)
The fact that Maskaev is not well known is completely and utterly irrelevent to a persons legacy.
Name me all the fighters Robinson beat to win the middleweight championship 5 times? And don't cheat and look at boxrec!
Name me the light heavyweight who Robinson failed to beat through heat exhaustion?
Name me the 25 defenses of his title that Joe Louis made?
See it is completely and utterly irrelevent who the opponents are in these cases, what counts is the record.
If Hopkins fought Maskaev and won a world heavy weight title, at 42 years old, after fighting as a middleweight his entire career it would be an acheivement unrivalled in the history of boxing.
Look at big George Foreman, most people can't even remember who he beat to win the title at 45 years old, but they all know he won the title again.
Winning a heavyweight title belt would do more for Hopkins legacy than beating Calzaghe, Kessler and Jones combined.
It's history mate, accomplish that and as I said before he ranks alongside Robinson and Armstrong as the greatest of all time.
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Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
Didn't Louis have the bum of the month club? (sry but the man had shit competition) ;D
Names do matter - so you're saying the name Jake Lamotta meant nothing to Ray Robinson's legacy?
I guess it comes down to who you ask. To me, Hopkins staying at middleweight fighting virtually nobody all this time has been anti-climactic.... And to the people who truly follow boxing thats what will stand out. Yes he finally fought Taylor, then Tarver but how long did it take him? Calzaghe/Jones (who make those other 2 names sound silly) have been here all along and have been avoided by him. They pose so much more of a threat to Hopkins because they're 'great' fighters. And thats the type of challenge Nard should of been looking for as an elite boxer.
Spinks going up to heavyweight and beating Larry Holmes was an achivement, because Holmes was such a great fighter. If he were to beat Maskaev who is a decent fighter at best, it would mean a whole hell of alot? Thats like saying Sven Ottke is one of the all time greats because he retired 34-0. And by that logic you're saying if Hopkins were to fight Wladimir Klitchsko and win, it wouldn't mean any more or less than if he were to do the same thing against Oleg? No sorry, but who you fight does mean something
You'd have to be on drugs to believe Calzaghe/Kessler/Jones wouldn't be the equivalent to Oleg Maskaev victory... total delusion
Whats that they say, quality not quantity :)
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What you're saying is in reference to casual fans and thats not us
Those people really don't matter btw O0
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Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
u gotta give it up to RICKY for coming to the US atleast.
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Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
Calzaghe's has missed his chance at Hopkins, the biggest challenge for Hopkins to come back would be to take on the heavies & thats something I'd be interested in seeing. IMO Hopkins is to good for Calzaghe especially if Calzaghe were to move up to LH where it would have to be fought, as Hopkins has said thats where Jones & Tarver went wrong in coming back down, so I don't see Hopkins making the same mistake. Why would Hopkins come back for an easy win that won't mean much historically as fighting & beating heavyweights. Hopkins is all about his legacy from here
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And those of us who know what we're talking about will remember him for not fighting Jones or Calzaghe when the match makings were easily there :)
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Thing is Hopkins is retired so to make a Calzaghe fight ain't that easy, its fine for Calzaghe to start calling out Hopkins now that hes retired. Why doesn't Calzaghe call out Taylor or Wright who are both active. If Hopkins comes back he wants a challenge & IMO taking on the heavies is a bigger challenge than a super-middleweight.
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I'd rather see 2 super powers collide, all I'm saying ;D
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Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by raleights
I'd rather see 2 super powers collide, all I'm saying ;D
Sweet bro I know what your saying it would have like to see the fight maybe before Hopkins took on Tarver, but I don't think its a big enough fight to make Hopkins come back from retirement
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Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Joe Calzaghe says he'd willingly go to America to fight ring great Bernard Hopkins.
The "Executioner" is currently in retirement at the age of 41 after a sensational career, but has dropped hints that he might return.
The Phildadelphia stylist has said he'd consider coming back for a crack at the world heavyweight title.
But Calzaghe would love to see him come back at a lower weight for a superfight that could cement the Welshman's legacy.
Speaking on new ITV documentary No Average Joe (Thursday October 12 at 2200 BST) he said: "Ideally I would love to fight Bernard Hopkins - he's a true champion. If that was to happen, I would go to America."
"Of course I'd love to fight in America, but if it's right. If it's right for me and I get the right opponent."
http://www.itv-boxing.com/News/Story...584436,00.html
Very interesting fight BUT Joe C. so called reign will be over the day he steps in that ring with B-Hop.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Joe Calzaghe says he'd willingly go to America to fight ring great Bernard Hopkins.
The "Executioner" is currently in retirement at the age of 41 after a sensational career, but has dropped hints that he might return.
The Phildadelphia stylist has said he'd consider coming back for a crack at the world heavyweight title.
But Calzaghe would love to see him come back at a lower weight for a superfight that could cement the Welshman's legacy.
Speaking on new ITV documentary No Average Joe (Thursday October 12 at 2200 BST) he said: "Ideally I would love to fight Bernard Hopkins - he's a true champion. If that was to happen, I would go to America."
"Of course I'd love to fight in America, but if it's right. If it's right for me and I get the right opponent."
http://www.itv-boxing.com/News/Story...584436,00.html
Very interesting fight BUT Joe C. so called reign will be over the day he steps in that ring with B-Hop.
suprisingly enough, mick.........................im gonna go ahead and disagree with you on this one ;)
joe c puts b-hop (a true legend) into certain retirement with a lopsided loss if this fight were to ever come off at this stage in bernards career.
too much ability, too much activity on joes part to lose this one.......imho
joe calzaghe (who is way underrated by just about EVERYBODY) in a way lopsided decision in this one
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Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Joe Calzaghe says he'd willingly go to America to fight ring great Bernard Hopkins.
The "Executioner" is currently in retirement at the age of 41 after a sensational career, but has dropped hints that he might return.
The Phildadelphia stylist has said he'd consider coming back for a crack at the world heavyweight title.
But Calzaghe would love to see him come back at a lower weight for a superfight that could cement the Welshman's legacy.
Speaking on new ITV documentary No Average Joe (Thursday October 12 at 2200 BST) he said: "Ideally I would love to fight Bernard Hopkins - he's a true champion. If that was to happen, I would go to America."
"Of course I'd love to fight in America, but if it's right. If it's right for me and I get the right opponent."
http://www.itv-boxing.com/News/Story...584436,00.html
Very interesting fight BUT Joe C. so called reign will be over the day he steps in that ring with B-Hop.
suprisingly enough, mick.........................im gonna go ahead and disagree with you on this one ;)
joe c puts b-hop (a true legend) into certain retirement with a lopsided loss if this fight were to ever come off at this stage in bernards career.
too much ability, too much activity on joes part to lose this one.......imho
joe calzaghe (who is way underrated by just about EVERYBODY) in a way lopsided decision in this one
Because B-hop is not in the actual screen fighting doesn't mean hes not active, as you very well may know B-Hop is a gym rat, hes there day & night sun, rain or shine.
The only thing that just popped in my head is that whole GBP 'East' thing that hes got going...... :( that might have kept him awat from the gym a bit. But even then B-hops style of fighting is just always in tact hes ready to adapt to ANYBODYS style, Joe would be no different from the rest.
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Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Joe Calzaghe says he'd willingly go to America to fight ring great Bernard Hopkins.
The "Executioner" is currently in retirement at the age of 41 after a sensational career, but has dropped hints that he might return.
The Phildadelphia stylist has said he'd consider coming back for a crack at the world heavyweight title.
But Calzaghe would love to see him come back at a lower weight for a superfight that could cement the Welshman's legacy.
Speaking on new ITV documentary No Average Joe (Thursday October 12 at 2200 BST) he said: "Ideally I would love to fight Bernard Hopkins - he's a true champion. If that was to happen, I would go to America."
"Of course I'd love to fight in America, but if it's right. If it's right for me and I get the right opponent."
http://www.itv-boxing.com/News/Story...584436,00.html
Very interesting fight BUT Joe C. so called reign will be over the day he steps in that ring with B-Hop.
suprisingly enough, mick.........................im gonna go ahead and disagree with you on this one ;)
joe c puts b-hop (a true legend) into certain retirement with a lopsided loss if this fight were to ever come off at this stage in bernards career.
too much ability, too much activity on joes part to lose this one.......imho
joe calzaghe (who is way underrated by just about EVERYBODY) in a way lopsided decision in this one
Because B-hop is not in the actual screen fighting doesn't mean hes not active, as you very well may know B-Hop is a gym rat, hes there day & night sun, rain or shine.
The only thing that just popped in my head is that whole GBP 'East' thing that hes got going...... :( that might have kept him awat from the gym a bit. But even then B-hops style of fighting is just always in tact hes ready to adapt to ANYBODYS style, Joe would be no different from the rest.
joe c has got RIDICULOUS skills (even above hopkins, imo) and the size, strength, and the speed, to boot. Joe Calzaghe is a bad ass boy, and hes going to be the true legend killer if he ever gets a chance to prove it..............but nobodys gonna give him the chance.....its bad for the sport, imo cuz joe c.'s got crazy skills that may be "all time" status :P
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Joe Calzaghe says he'd willingly go to America to fight ring great Bernard Hopkins.
The "Executioner" is currently in retirement at the age of 41 after a sensational career, but has dropped hints that he might return.
The Phildadelphia stylist has said he'd consider coming back for a crack at the world heavyweight title.
But Calzaghe would love to see him come back at a lower weight for a superfight that could cement the Welshman's legacy.
Speaking on new ITV documentary No Average Joe (Thursday October 12 at 2200 BST) he said: "Ideally I would love to fight Bernard Hopkins - he's a true champion. If that was to happen, I would go to America."
"Of course I'd love to fight in America, but if it's right. If it's right for me and I get the right opponent."
http://www.itv-boxing.com/News/Story...584436,00.html
Very interesting fight BUT Joe C. so called reign will be over the day he steps in that ring with B-Hop.
suprisingly enough, mick.........................im gonna go ahead and disagree with you on this one ;)
joe c puts b-hop (a true legend) into certain retirement with a lopsided loss if this fight were to ever come off at this stage in bernards career.
too much ability, too much activity on joes part to lose this one.......imho
joe calzaghe (who is way underrated by just about EVERYBODY) in a way lopsided decision in this one
Because B-hop is not in the actual screen fighting doesn't mean hes not active, as you very well may know B-Hop is a gym rat, hes there day & night sun, rain or shine.
The only thing that just popped in my head is that whole GBP 'East' thing that hes got going...... :( that might have kept him awat from the gym a bit. But even then B-hops style of fighting is just always in tact hes ready to adapt to ANYBODYS style, Joe would be no different from the rest.
joe c has got RIDICULOUS skills (even above hopkins, imo) and the size, strength, and the speed, to boot. Joe Calzaghe is a bad ass boy, and hes going to be the true legend killer if he ever gets a chance to prove it..............but nobodys gonna give him the chance.....its bad for the sport, imo cuz joe c.'s got crazy skills that may be "all time" status :P
I agree Joes showed tremendous skills as far as ring smarts & speed but B-Hop does have ring tactics far superior then Joes, B-Hop regardless of of what happend in the Jermain fights he really hasnt been beaten in yrs. in the sense of a beating if you know what I mean.
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Hopkins is to savy for Calzaghe IMO... a scholling like Tarver got shall I say!
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Hopkins made his legacy and retired with it, Calzaghe is still working on his ;)
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Hopkins made his legacy and retired with it, Calzaghe is still working on his ;)
Well said girl
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Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by miles
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Calzaghe pulling a Tarver trying to make Hopkins move down is he? How about Calzaghe move up, so that when he loses he can still keep his titles. And I have no clue why you think that Hopkins somehow dodged Calzaghe. You'd have a better chance saying that James Toney dodged him too. But whenever I heard of Calzaghe on other sites a few years ago, he was always calling out someone called Chicken Ottke. So I don't see how Hopkins dodged him.
The last time I saw it, it was Tarver coming down off the blubberman kick....
You are showing a complete ignorance of boxing with this shite you are saying. Hopkins could have faced Calzaghe years ago. But he didnt. And he wont ever.
You have seen Calzaghe fight perhaps 2 times max....get an education!!! ;D
Prove to me that Calzaghe tried to make that fight with Hopkins. Because it sounds like you're taking opinion and assumption and trying to make it fact. And downgrading me won't prove a point. Unless you can prove fact that Calzaghe tried to make that fight. And I dont mean an interview where Calzaghe said "I would like to fight Hopkins, Toney all of them." I mean an actual attempt at a purse bit that his promoter and Hopkins promoter(whether it was Dibella, or Duva at the time) tried to make. Until then you only have your opinion which you're entitled to. But don't try to pass it off as fact and try to make yourself look big by trying to diss me. You will just make an ass out of yourself and we don't need that.
Here's the proof Gus. Hope this helps. ;)
Calzaghe: I'll fight Hopkins anywhere
Friday July 4, 2003
Joe Calzaghe, the World Boxing Organisation super-middleweight champion, is prepared to travel to the United States to face the world's No1 middleweight Bernard Hopkins in what is seen as a career-defining fight for the undefeated Welshman.
"This is the fight I have wanted above all others for the last few years," he said, "and it is the one the boxing world wants."
Since Calzaghe's two-round win over the highly rated Byron Mitchell in Cardiff on Saturday, Hopkins, 38, has said he would be prepared step up to super-middleweight and face him, but only if the fight takes place before the end of next January and only if it is in the US.
"I have no problems taking the fight on his territory," said the 31-year-old Calzaghe. "My message to him is: 'You want it, you got it.' He can have it anywhere and any time."
Hopkins' promoter Don King and Calzaghe's backer Frank Warren reached agreement for a fight last year, and the US television station Showtime was prepared to underwrite the event. But after a $3m (£1.8m) payday had been agreed, the fight fell through when Hopkins doubled his purse demands.
Warren has confirmed he is trying to reopen negotiations. "But he has had opportunities to make money since [beating Felix] Trinidad [in 2001] and has walked away. He is the only fighter I know who seems hell-bent on going from Park Lane to Brick Lane."
Calzaghe underlined his determination to get the fight, laying down a challenge to Hopkins. "Don't find an excuse to let our fight slip away," he said. "I have taken up your challenge to face you in America, so honour your words."
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...991029,00.html
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Hopkins is to savy for Calzaghe IMO... a scholling like Tarver got shall I say!
nah that would never happen calzaghe wouldnt get schooled by anyone
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Calzaghe would beat Hopkins for the same reason Roy Jones did and would have beaten Hopkins again....
Too much natural ability (something the ol Nard lacks) - All the ring savy in the world wouldn't help him :)
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Thing is Hopkins is retired so to make a Calzaghe fight ain't that easy, its fine for Calzaghe to start calling out Hopkins now that hes retired. Why doesn't Calzaghe call out Taylor or Wright who are both active. If Hopkins comes back he wants a challenge & IMO taking on the heavies is a bigger challenge than a super-middleweight.
He calls them out all the time.
"I would love to come out and fight," Calzaghe said. "I thought if the title fight was going to happen, then I would have come to America then and fight with Hopkins. Even if the fight was with Winky Wright or Jermain Taylor, yes, I would be willing to come. But unfortunately those people are sort of eluding me because Roy Jones got himself beat and Hopkins has retired. So we will have to wait and see. But it would be great to fight at least one fight in America." http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2621395
Oh and as you can see on a previous post of mine Calzaghe has been calling out Hopkins for years, he hasn't waited until Hopkins retired. ;)
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calzaghe will beat wright if he moves up and taylor and he will beat hopkins ;)
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calzaghe will beat wright if he moves up and taylor and he will beat hopkins ;)
Agreed. For the time being Calzaghe edges each of them...
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Calzaghe pulling a Tarver trying to make Hopkins move down is he? How about Calzaghe move up, so that when he loses he can still keep his titles. And I have no clue why you think that Hopkins somehow dodged Calzaghe. You'd have a better chance saying that James Toney dodged him too. But whenever I heard of Calzaghe on other sites a few years ago, he was always calling out someone called Chicken Ottke. So I don't see how Hopkins dodged him.
The last time I saw it, it was Tarver coming down off the blubberman kick....
You are showing a complete ignorance of boxing with this shite you are saying. Hopkins could have faced Calzaghe years ago. But he didnt. And he wont ever.
You have seen Calzaghe fight perhaps 2 times max....get an education!!! ;D
Prove to me that Calzaghe tried to make that fight with Hopkins. Because it sounds like you're taking opinion and assumption and trying to make it fact. And downgrading me won't prove a point. Unless you can prove fact that Calzaghe tried to make that fight. And I dont mean an interview where Calzaghe said "I would like to fight Hopkins, Toney all of them." I mean an actual attempt at a purse bit that his promoter and Hopkins promoter(whether it was Dibella, or Duva at the time) tried to make. Until then you only have your opinion which you're entitled to. But don't try to pass it off as fact and try to make yourself look big by trying to diss me. You will just make an ass out of yourself and we don't need that.
Here's the proof Gus. Hope this helps. ;)
Calzaghe: I'll fight Hopkins anywhere
Friday July 4, 2003
Joe Calzaghe, the World Boxing Organisation super-middleweight champion, is prepared to travel to the United States to face the world's No1 middleweight Bernard Hopkins in what is seen as a career-defining fight for the undefeated Welshman.
"This is the fight I have wanted above all others for the last few years," he said, "and it is the one the boxing world wants."
Since Calzaghe's two-round win over the highly rated Byron Mitchell in Cardiff on Saturday, Hopkins, 38, has said he would be prepared step up to super-middleweight and face him, but only if the fight takes place before the end of next January and only if it is in the US.
"I have no problems taking the fight on his territory," said the 31-year-old Calzaghe. "My message to him is: 'You want it, you got it.' He can have it anywhere and any time."
Hopkins' promoter Don King and Calzaghe's backer Frank Warren reached agreement for a fight last year, and the US television station Showtime was prepared to underwrite the event. But after a $3m (£1.8m) payday had been agreed, the fight fell through when Hopkins doubled his purse demands.
Warren has confirmed he is trying to reopen negotiations. "But he has had opportunities to make money since [beating Felix] Trinidad [in 2001] and has walked away. He is the only fighter I know who seems hell-bent on going from Park Lane to Brick Lane."
Calzaghe underlined his determination to get the fight, laying down a challenge to Hopkins. "Don't find an excuse to let our fight slip away," he said. "I have taken up your challenge to face you in America, so honour your words."
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...991029,00.html
CC Fenster,you nailed that one!
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Thing is Hopkins is retired so to make a Calzaghe fight ain't that easy, its fine for Calzaghe to start calling out Hopkins now that hes retired. Why doesn't Calzaghe call out Taylor or Wright who are both active. If Hopkins comes back he wants a challenge & IMO taking on the heavies is a bigger challenge than a super-middleweight.
He calls them out all the time.
"I would love to come out and fight," Calzaghe said. "I thought if the title fight was going to happen, then I would have come to America then and fight with Hopkins. Even if the fight was with Winky Wright or Jermain Taylor, yes, I would be willing to come. But unfortunately those people are sort of eluding me because Roy Jones got himself beat and Hopkins has retired. So we will have to wait and see. But it would be great to fight at least one fight in America."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2621395
Oh and as you can see on a previous post of mine Calzaghe has been calling out Hopkins for years, he hasn't waited until Hopkins retired. ;)
Good points bro, but in my book its one thing to say sh*t & another to do it. Action speak louder than words shall we say. Either way Calzaghe fights Hopkins he loses, same goes for if he fights Wright. I think he beats Taylor though.
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Thing is Hopkins is retired so to make a Calzaghe fight ain't that easy, its fine for Calzaghe to start calling out Hopkins now that hes retired. Why doesn't Calzaghe call out Taylor or Wright who are both active. If Hopkins comes back he wants a challenge & IMO taking on the heavies is a bigger challenge than a super-middleweight.
He calls them out all the time.
"I would love to come out and fight," Calzaghe said. "I thought if the title fight was going to happen, then I would have come to America then and fight with Hopkins. Even if the fight was with Winky Wright or Jermain Taylor, yes, I would be willing to come. But unfortunately those people are sort of eluding me because Roy Jones got himself beat and Hopkins has retired. So we will have to wait and see. But it would be great to fight at least one fight in America."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2621395
Oh and as you can see on a previous post of mine Calzaghe has been calling out Hopkins for years, he hasn't waited until Hopkins retired. ;)
Good points bro, but in my book its one thing to say sh*t & another to do it. Action speak louder than words shall we say. Either way Calzaghe fights Hopkins he loses, same goes for if he fights Wright. I think he beats Taylor though.
Would you care to break down why exactly Wright or Hopkins beat Calzaghe at this stage in their careers?
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Thing is Hopkins is retired so to make a Calzaghe fight ain't that easy, its fine for Calzaghe to start calling out Hopkins now that hes retired. Why doesn't Calzaghe call out Taylor or Wright who are both active. If Hopkins comes back he wants a challenge & IMO taking on the heavies is a bigger challenge than a super-middleweight.
He calls them out all the time.
"I would love to come out and fight," Calzaghe said. "I thought if the title fight was going to happen, then I would have come to America then and fight with Hopkins. Even if the fight was with Winky Wright or Jermain Taylor, yes, I would be willing to come. But unfortunately those people are sort of eluding me because Roy Jones got himself beat and Hopkins has retired. So we will have to wait and see. But it would be great to fight at least one fight in America."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2621395
Oh and as you can see on a previous post of mine Calzaghe has been calling out Hopkins for years, he hasn't waited until Hopkins retired. ;)
Good points bro, but in my book its one thing to say sh*t & another to do it. Action speak louder than words shall we say. Either way Calzaghe fights Hopkins he loses, same goes for if he fights Wright. I think he beats Taylor though.
Would you care to break down why exactly Wright or Hopkins beat Calzaghe at this stage in their careers?
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Wrights jab & defense, Hopkins' experience & all round ability. Basically I think both guys are technically better than Calzaghe. IMO opinion gets a lesson from Wright & loses a decision to Hopkins as Hopkins makes it a sloppy boring fight.
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Thing is Hopkins is retired so to make a Calzaghe fight ain't that easy, its fine for Calzaghe to start calling out Hopkins now that hes retired. Why doesn't Calzaghe call out Taylor or Wright who are both active. If Hopkins comes back he wants a challenge & IMO taking on the heavies is a bigger challenge than a super-middleweight.
He calls them out all the time.
"I would love to come out and fight," Calzaghe said. "I thought if the title fight was going to happen, then I would have come to America then and fight with Hopkins. Even if the fight was with Winky Wright or Jermain Taylor, yes, I would be willing to come. But unfortunately those people are sort of eluding me because Roy Jones got himself beat and Hopkins has retired. So we will have to wait and see. But it would be great to fight at least one fight in America."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2621395
Oh and as you can see on a previous post of mine Calzaghe has been calling out Hopkins for years, he hasn't waited until Hopkins retired. ;)
Good points bro, but in my book its one thing to say sh*t & another to do it. Action speak louder than words shall we say. Either way Calzaghe fights Hopkins he loses, same goes for if he fights Wright. I think he beats Taylor though.
Would you care to break down why exactly Wright or Hopkins beat Calzaghe at this stage in their careers?
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Wrights jab & defense, Hopkins' experience & all round ability. Basically I think both guys are technically better than Calzaghe. IMO opinion gets a lesson from Wright & loses a decision to Hopkins as Hopkins makes it a sloppy boring fight.
Taylor lost to Wright IMO, but took it to the limits. Calzaghe has greater skills and output than Taylor and is bigger. Hopkins is old and lost to Taylor because of a limited output in the second fight especially so....
Would you care to add more to your critique?
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Joe by UD. Too many weapons for Hopkins.
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Joe by UD. Too many weapons for Hopkins.
At this stage yes. Hopkins is old. People are forgeting this. He had issues with Taylor in the last fight. And now because he beat Tarver he will beat Calzaghe!!!! ;D
Bollocks!!
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Thing is Hopkins is retired so to make a Calzaghe fight ain't that easy, its fine for Calzaghe to start calling out Hopkins now that hes retired. Why doesn't Calzaghe call out Taylor or Wright who are both active. If Hopkins comes back he wants a challenge & IMO taking on the heavies is a bigger challenge than a super-middleweight.
He calls them out all the time.
"I would love to come out and fight," Calzaghe said. "I thought if the title fight was going to happen, then I would have come to America then and fight with Hopkins. Even if the fight was with Winky Wright or Jermain Taylor, yes, I would be willing to come. But unfortunately those people are sort of eluding me because Roy Jones got himself beat and Hopkins has retired. So we will have to wait and see. But it would be great to fight at least one fight in America."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2621395
Oh and as you can see on a previous post of mine Calzaghe has been calling out Hopkins for years, he hasn't waited until Hopkins retired. ;)
Good points bro, but in my book its one thing to say sh*t & another to do it. Action speak louder than words shall we say. Either way Calzaghe fights Hopkins he loses, same goes for if he fights Wright. I think he beats Taylor though.
Would you care to break down why exactly Wright or Hopkins beat Calzaghe at this stage in their careers?
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Wrights jab & defense, Hopkins' experience & all round ability. Basically I think both guys are technically better than Calzaghe. IMO opinion gets a lesson from Wright & loses a decision to Hopkins as Hopkins makes it a sloppy boring fight.
Taylor lost to Wright IMO, but took it to the limits. Calzaghe has greater skills and output than Taylor and is bigger. Hopkins is old and lost to Taylor because of a limited output in the second fight especially so....
Would you care to add more to your critique?
I agree Calzaghe has greater out put than Taylor & is better technically than Taylor who I feel has a lot of balance problems. I don't think Wright fights in a style that would give Calzaghe an opportunity to use his size as an advantage. My feeling is Wrights jab shuts down Calzaghe, add to that Winkys defense & counter punching & I think its Winky fight. I'll also agree Hopkins is old but is always in superb condition, Calzaghe's out put would definitately cause problems but again I feel with the angles Hopkins fights from & his vast experience against greater opposition gives him the edge in that fight.
