Calzaghe says a Jermain Taylor fight is number one on his list

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Its always a sore subject where Calzaghe's concerned.

The mongs and the "fans" call for the same thing - major fights...but for obvious different reasons...and obviously whatever Calzaghe does it will never be enough for the mongs

If Cazlaghe beat Kessler next the mongs would claim Kessler was a hyped up nobody aka Lacy..."wait until he fights a Hopkins or Jones"

If Cazlaghe beat Hopkins or Jones the mongs would say they were old and past their best..."wait until he fights a live body like Winky or Taylor"

If Calzaghe beat Winky or Taylor the mongs would say they were to small......so it goes.

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That's cuz it's true. Hopkins and Jones are nowhere near there primes. Why the sudden urge to fight them now (after Hopkins retired) as oppose to years ago? Taylor and Wright are both naturally smaller fighters. That ain't some made up shit. It's true. Still a win over Wright, would be impressive in my view. Taylor not as much since I think he still needs a lot of work. Kessler? There ain't no excuse. Kessler is in his prime right now. He's fought over 35 times. This ain't Lacy and his barely 20 fights. He's got like 5 or 6 former champions on his resume. He's somebody. If Calzaghe beats him, than he can't be knocked. I'll give him credit. Hell, if he beats Kessler I'll never bad mouth Calzaghe again. And I'm talking about a real win. Not one of those "Kessler had him down 3 times, but lost cuz Calzaghe claimed he couldn't continue cuz of a suppose rabbit punch." Or "Kessler beat his ass for 12, but lost cuz they were fighting in Joe's back yard." A real win.

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Hopkins agreed to fight Calzaghe a few years ago before his (Hopkins) arsehole went.

Educate yourself - http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...991029,00.html

Anyway, not sure you're the best person to judge a fighter, son, especially where Calzaghe is concerned...You even thought Bika would knock him out....hahaha ;D

And here we are waiting.

An update here from Denmark. The Danish promotor want to cash in if Kessler should go to England. Kessler has an alternative in fighting Librado Andrade (24-0, KO 18). which HBO is interrested in.

I think a Librado Andrade fight looks like a thriller but I prefer to see the
Calzaghe vs Kessler fight in february.

But as usual it comes down to the money ;( and maybe Kessler is more worth ($) if he can beat Andrade so HBO it holding the cards once again.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Its always a sore subject where Calzaghe's concerned.

The mongs and the "fans" call for the same thing - major fights...but for obvious different reasons...and obviously whatever Calzaghe does it will never be enough for the mongs

If Cazlaghe beat Kessler next the mongs would claim Kessler was a hyped up nobody aka Lacy..."wait until he fights a Hopkins or Jones"

If Cazlaghe beat Hopkins or Jones the mongs would say they were old and past their best..."wait until he fights a live body like Winky or Taylor"

If Calzaghe beat Winky or Taylor the mongs would say they were to small......so it goes.

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That's cuz it's true. Hopkins and Jones are nowhere near there primes. Why the sudden urge to fight them now (after Hopkins retired) as oppose to years ago? Taylor and Wright are both naturally smaller fighters. That ain't some made up shit. It's true. Still a win over Wright, would be impressive in my view. Taylor not as much since I think he still needs a lot of work. Kessler? There ain't no excuse. Kessler is in his prime right now. He's fought over 35 times. This ain't Lacy and his barely 20 fights. He's got like 5 or 6 former champions on his resume. He's somebody. If Calzaghe beats him, than he can't be knocked. I'll give him credit. Hell, if he beats Kessler I'll never bad mouth Calzaghe again. And I'm talking about a real win. Not one of those "Kessler had him down 3 times, but lost cuz Calzaghe claimed he couldn't continue cuz of a suppose rabbit punch." Or "Kessler beat his ass for 12, but lost cuz they were fighting in Joe's back yard." A real win.

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Hopkins agreed to fight Calzaghe a few years ago before his (Hopkins) arsehole went.

Educate yourself - http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...991029,00.html

Anyway, not sure you're the best person to judge a fighter, son, especially where Calzaghe is concerned...You even thought Bika would knock him out....hahaha ;D

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All your link says is he'll come to the US to fight Hopkins. So what? He's been saying for years that he'll travel. But for some reason, he never does. And yeah, I put some virtual money on killer's books backing Bika. Big deal. Look at my past posts and you'll see I always taught of Bika as the bum he is.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

All your link says is he'll come to the US to fight Hopkins. So what?

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I think this is the portion of the article that you should have focused on ;)

Hopkins' promoter Don King and Calzaghe's backer Frank Warren reached agreement for a fight last year, and the US television station Showtime was prepared to underwrite the event. But after a $3m (£1.8m) payday had been agreed, the fight fell through when Hopkins doubled his purse demands

Hope this helps. It wont but there you go.

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TAYLOR IS NOT P4P!!! He hasn't dominated the Middleweight division!!!

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agreed

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

All your link says is he'll come to the US to fight Hopkins. So what?

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I think this is the portion of the article that you should have focused on ;)

Hopkins' promoter Don King and Calzaghe's backer Frank Warren reached agreement for a fight last year, and the US television station Showtime was prepared to underwrite the event. But after a $3m (£1.8m) payday had been agreed, the fight fell through when Hopkins doubled his purse demands

Hope this helps. It wont but there you go.

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Hopkins was doing them a favor by giving them a chance for the fight to still happen. All they had to do was double the purse. This was a test on Calzaghe's and Warren's heart and balls. To see how much they had. And they failed. Cuz they didn't really want the fight that's why. You can't knock Hopkins for asking for more. He was the one in control. Hopkins had other options. Easier more profitable options. But he was willing to fight a bigger fighter and for a lot less money. All he asked was that they pay him a little more. Calzaghe and Warren punked out. Hopkins went on to fight De La Hoya and collect $20 million. Where's Calzaghe now? Still trying to get paid.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/article-9235743-details/Joe's+dream+fight+awaits/article.do;jsessionid=2RDyFfKd3n5P8lzcct7V0wvYLQfT 0GMkZYtrqpMgmZYMGV1tlmlT!-1728221912

At the end of the day Bernard chose not to fight Joe for easier competition and more money right? You say that as if it's something noble.... Like Thomas Hearns would of been better off not fighting Hagler, Ray Leonard would of been better off not fighting Duran...

Depriving everyone of a dream fight like this out of being stubborn/scared or what whatever isn't something that can be defended :)

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Originally Posted by raleights

At the end of the day Bernard chose not to fight Joe for easier competition and more money right? You say that as if it's something noble.... Like Thomas Hearns would of been better off not fighting Hagler, Ray Leonard would of been better off not fighting Duran...

Depriving everyone of a dream fight like this out of being stubborn/scared or what whatever isn't something that can be defended :)

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No at the end of the day Calzaghe chose not to fight Hopkins by not agreeing to his demands. Name me any fighter that does not want to fight De La Hoya?

If Calzaghe does not secure a big name soon, he will have one of the meaningless boxing careers in history. Why can't he get fights? Because he wont leave his home turf. I'm not sure if this next bit is entirely true, but Kessler travelled all the way to Australia to fight Mundine, he's not afraid to travel. That being said I doubt he would go to Joe's home turf, Kessler has the better belts and the pressure is not on him to make tihs fight happen.

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If Calzaghe does not secure a big name soon, he will have one of the meaningless boxing careers in history. Why can't he get fights? Because he wont leave his home turf. I'm not sure if this next bit is entirely true, but Kessler travelled all the way to Australia to fight Mundine, he's not afraid to travel. That being said I doubt he would go to Joe's home turf, Kessler has the better belts and the pressure is not on him to make tihs fight happen.

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So very true. Yet you'll be surprised how many of his little groupies ignore that fact.

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Nice article Ouma.

I dont think Taylor-v-Calzaghe will happen anytime soon, IMO Taylor will season himself at 160 for as long as he can (18 months to 2 years) andf then move up to fill Calzaghe's void.

In the mean time i feel that Calzaghe cant hang around at 168 much longer.
A fight with Kessler should be on the cards and after that we'll see if he can stay at 168?

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i think anything other than a Kessler fight is not worthy of print or thought.....

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Originally Posted by raleights

At the end of the day Bernard chose not to fight Joe for easier competition and more money right? You say that as if it's something noble.... Like Thomas Hearns would of been better off not fighting Hagler, Ray Leonard would of been better off not fighting Duran...

Depriving everyone of a dream fight like this out of being stubborn/scared or what whatever isn't something that can be defended :)

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No at the end of the day Calzaghe chose not to fight Hopkins by not agreeing to his demands. Name me any fighter that does not want to fight De La Hoya?

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Both fights could of easily been made

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Hopkins was doing them a favor by giving them a chance for the fight to still happen. All they had to do was double the purse. This was a test on Calzaghe's and Warren's heart and balls. To see how much they had. And they failed. Cuz they didn't really want the fight that's why. You can't knock Hopkins for asking for more. He was the one in control. Hopkins had other options.

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I think offering Hopkins more money than he had ever made in his life is an indication of how much Calzaghe wanted the fight dont you? What were those other options by the way? Hakkar, Joppy, Allen? Did Hopkins make $3 million for any of those, or those three in total?

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Originally Posted by raleights

At the end of the day Bernard chose not to fight Joe for easier competition and more money right? You say that as if it's something noble.... Like Thomas Hearns would of been better off not fighting Hagler, Ray Leonard would of been better off not fighting Duran...

Depriving everyone of a dream fight like this out of being stubborn/scared or what whatever isn't something that can be defended :)

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The exact same reasons why Calzaghe will not be fighting Kessler.
But i'm sure when it's Calzaghe doing it, suddently it CAN be defended.

My money for the next fight is on Peter Manfredo Jr.

The fight will be 'big' and in the UK against an American according to Warren,
Because of his TV role, it will sell tickets and attract TV attension as the first contender to fight a world title fight. - It will also be a fight for Joe that is far easier than the hype would suggest thus protecting him for his 'mega' fight (please be Kessler!) Added to this Manfredo's name has been banded around previously when Calzaghe ended up fighting Bika.

To me it all makes sence - perfect oppenent on all Warren's critera and to the average fan it will generate huge interest, i think Manfredo has been released from his contender contract so that obsticle will be removed.

We'll see

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If Calzaghe does not secure a big name soon, he will have one of the meaningless boxing careers in history. Why can't he get fights? Because he wont leave his home turf. I'm not sure if this next bit is entirely true, but Kessler travelled all the way to Australia to fight Mundine, he's not afraid to travel. That being said I doubt he would go to Joe's home turf, Kessler has the better belts and the pressure is not on him to make tihs fight happen.

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So very true.  Yet you'll be surprised how many of his little groupies ignore that fact.

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well when someone wants alot more money just after they signed the deal i dont think id be too happy with that either u say about calzaghes balls and heart what about hopkins wanting more money that doesnt exactly sound like someone who was confident

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My money for the next fight is on Peter Manfredo Jr.

The fight will be 'big' and in the UK against an American according to Warren,
Because of his TV role, it will sell tickets and attract TV attension as the first contender to fight a world title fight. - It will also be a fight for Joe that is far easier than the hype would suggest thus protecting him for his 'mega' fight (please be Kessler!) Added to this Manfredo's name has been banded around previously when Calzaghe ended up fighting Bika.

To me it all makes sence - perfect oppenent on all Warren's critera and to the average fan it will generate huge interest, i think Manfredo has been released from his contender contract so that obsticle will be removed.

We'll see

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So if it's Manfredo.

How should the level of competition be considered compared to the Bika fight?
(perhaps considering that some ppl now in retrospect chooses to rate Bika quite high)

A step up?
About the same?
Worse?

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Hopkins and Jones are nowhere near there primes. Why the sudden urge to fight them now (after Hopkins retired) as oppose to years ago? Taylor and Wright are both naturally smaller fighters. That ain't some made up shit. It's true. Still a win over Wright, would be impressive in my view. Taylor not as much since I think he still needs a lot of work. Kessler? There ain't no excuse. Kessler is in his prime right now. He's fought over 35 times. This ain't Lacy and his barely 20 fights. He's got like 5 or 6 former champions on his resume. He's somebody. If Calzaghe beats him, than he can't be knocked. I'll give him credit. Hell, if he beats Kessler I'll never bad mouth Calzaghe again. And I'm talking about a real win. Not one of those "Kessler had him down 3 times, but lost cuz Calzaghe claimed he couldn't continue cuz of a suppose rabbit punch." Or "Kessler beat his ass for 12, but lost cuz they were fighting in Joe's back yard." A real win.

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above quote from Violent demise. Below a quote from some Dane at Eastside.

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Hopkins is nowhere near there primes,Why the sudden urge to fight him now (after Hopkins retired) as oppose to years ago?

There ain't no excuse. Kessler is in his prime right now. He's fought over 35 times. This ain't Lacy and his barely 20 fights. He's got like 5 or 6 former champions on his resume. He's somebody. If Calzaghe beats him, than he can't be knocked. I'll give him credit. Hell, if he beats Kessler I'll never bad mouth Calzaghe again. And I'm talking about a real win. Not one of those "Kessler had him down 3 times, but lost cuz Calzaghe claimed he couldn't continue cuz of a suppose rabbit punch." Or "Kessler beat his ass for 12, but lost cuz they were fighting in Joe's back yard." A real win

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I think that makes you infamous VD ;D

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Hopkins and Jones are nowhere near there primes. Why the sudden urge to fight them now (after Hopkins retired) as oppose to years ago? Taylor and Wright are both naturally smaller fighters. That ain't some made up S***. It's true. Still a win over Wright, would be impressive in my view. Taylor not as much since I think he still needs a lot of work. Kessler? There ain't no excuse. Kessler is in his prime right now. He's fought over 35 times. This ain't Lacy and his barely 20 fights. He's got like 5 or 6 former champions on his resume. He's somebody. If Calzaghe beats him, than he can't be knocked. I'll give him credit. Hell, if he beats Kessler I'll never bad mouth Calzaghe again. And I'm talking about a real win. Not one of those "Kessler had him down 3 times, but lost cuz Calzaghe claimed he couldn't continue cuz of a suppose rabbit punch." Or "Kessler beat his a** for 12, but lost cuz they were fighting in Joe's back yard." A real win.

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above quote from Violent demise. Below a quote from some Dane at Eastside.

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Hopkins is nowhere near there primes,Why the sudden urge to fight him now (after Hopkins retired) as oppose to years ago?

There ain't no excuse. Kessler is in his prime right now. He's fought over 35 times. This ain't Lacy and his barely 20 fights. He's got like 5 or 6 former champions on his resume. He's somebody. If Calzaghe beats him, than he can't be knocked. I'll give him credit. Hell, if he beats Kessler I'll never bad mouth Calzaghe again. And I'm talking about a real win. Not one of those "Kessler had him down 3 times, but lost cuz Calzaghe claimed he couldn't continue cuz of a suppose rabbit punch." Or "Kessler beat his a** for 12, but lost cuz they were fighting in Joe's back yard." A real win

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I think that makes you infamous VD ;D

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That's gotta be JanGeorg. He does that a lot. I don't like that style much.
Seen him copy some of my stuff once or twice as well.
If he's gonna do it. Credit the writer or at least make it clear you've picked it up somewhere.

I was annoyed when he used mine, but i didn't confront him about it.
I assume his reasons are that he finds it difficult to put his thoughts in english writing - so when he sees something repressentative of his own views, he'll just use that.
Still - don't like it much.

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Hopkins and Jones are nowhere near there primes. Why the sudden urge to fight them now (after Hopkins retired) as oppose to years ago? Taylor and Wright are both naturally smaller fighters. That ain't some made up shit. It's true. Still a win over Wright, would be impressive in my view. Taylor not as much since I think he still needs a lot of work. Kessler? There ain't no excuse. Kessler is in his prime right now. He's fought over 35 times. This ain't Lacy and his barely 20 fights. He's got like 5 or 6 former champions on his resume. He's somebody. If Calzaghe beats him, than he can't be knocked. I'll give him credit. Hell, if he beats Kessler I'll never bad mouth Calzaghe again. And I'm talking about a real win. Not one of those "Kessler had him down 3 times, but lost cuz Calzaghe claimed he couldn't continue cuz of a suppose rabbit punch." Or "Kessler beat his ass for 12, but lost cuz they were fighting in Joe's back yard." A real win.

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above quote from Violent demise. Below a quote from some Dane at Eastside.

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Hopkins is nowhere near there primes,Why the sudden urge to fight him now (after Hopkins retired) as oppose to years ago?

There ain't no excuse. Kessler is in his prime right now. He's fought over 35 times. This ain't Lacy and his barely 20 fights. He's got like 5 or 6 former champions on his resume. He's somebody. If Calzaghe beats him, than he can't be knocked. I'll give him credit. Hell, if he beats Kessler I'll never bad mouth Calzaghe again. And I'm talking about a real win. Not one of those "Kessler had him down 3 times, but lost cuz Calzaghe claimed he couldn't continue cuz of a suppose rabbit punch." Or "Kessler beat his ass for 12, but lost cuz they were fighting in Joe's back yard." A real win

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I think that makes you infamous VD ;D

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The boxing knowledge is very limited at Eastside. All the posters there are pretty much on the same level. Which is mediocre. Looks like one of them decided to try and jump from mediocre to genius level by copying the posts of a boxing genius from another site. I guess he taught nobody would noticed. O'well. It's not the first time it's happened.

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Its always a sore subject where Calzaghe's concerned.

The mongs and the "fans" call for the same thing - major fights...but for obvious different reasons...and obviously whatever Calzaghe does it will never be enough for the mongs

If Cazlaghe beat Kessler next the mongs would claim Kessler was a hyped up nobody aka Lacy..."wait until he fights a Hopkins or Jones"

If Cazlaghe beat Hopkins or Jones the mongs would say they were old and past their best..."wait until he fights a live body like Winky or Taylor"

If Calzaghe beat Winky or Taylor the mongs would say they were to small......so it goes.

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That's cuz it's true. Hopkins and Jones are nowhere near there primes. Why the sudden urge to fight them now (after Hopkins retired) as oppose to years ago? Taylor and Wright are both naturally smaller fighters. That ain't some made up shit. It's true. Still a win over Wright, would be impressive in my view. Taylor not as much since I think he still needs a lot of work. Kessler? There ain't no excuse. Kessler is in his prime right now. He's fought over 35 times. This ain't Lacy and his barely 20 fights. He's got like 5 or 6 former champions on his resume. He's somebody. If Calzaghe beats him, than he can't be knocked. I'll give him credit. Hell, if he beats Kessler I'll never bad mouth Calzaghe again. And I'm talking about a real win. Not one of those "Kessler had him down 3 times, but lost cuz Calzaghe claimed he couldn't continue cuz of a suppose rabbit punch." Or "Kessler beat his ass for 12, but lost cuz they were fighting in Joe's back yard." A real win.

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Hopkins agreed to fight Calzaghe a few years ago before his (Hopkins) arsehole went.

Educate yourself - http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...991029,00.html

Anyway, not sure you're the best person to judge a fighter, son, especially where Calzaghe is concerned...You even thought Bika would knock him out....hahaha ;D

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All your link says is he'll come to the US to fight Hopkins. So what? He's been saying for years that he'll travel. But for some reason, he never does. And yeah, I put some virtual money on killer's books backing Bika. Big deal. Look at my past posts and you'll see I always taught of Bika as the bum he is.

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I'm helping you out son. In future you wont embarrass yourself asking stupid questions like "why the sudden urge to fight them now as oppose to years ago?" ....before you embark on a subject do a little research first otherwise the big boys will make you look silly. Hope this helps.

You always thought Bika was a bum? That was my point, you thought Calzaghe was going to get beat by a bum, so what do think of Calzaghe? :-\ You do realise Calzaghe is in, or around, almost all knowledgeable boxing persons top 10 P4P lists? I'm sure I dont have to tell you why that is, so if you can't recognise Calzaghes talents then I think maybe your judgement, as far as boxing is concerned, is pretty poor.

Memphis nicely answered your next MONGS LOGIC post. You need to check your dates, son. ;)

Back on topic,

Even if an agreement was reached where by he fought Jermain Taylor, i would not jump in the air about it. For me, Jermain is not a legend or anything more than a good-solid fighter. He certainly isn't in the top 10 P4P and the smaller Winky gave him all he could handle.

If the above fight was made by Warren i wouldn't be massively excited - it certainly wouldn't be a 'career defining fight' for Calzaghe either.

Kessler V Andrade is a proper fight, between do big punching SMW's.

For me, Kessler is the only man whom can hang with Calzaghe - and NO OTHER fight should even be on the cards for Joe Calzaghe in 2007.

With regards the fight being held in the UK:-

Well, Kessler is HALF ENGLISH.

Joe is ITALIAN / WELSH

So therefore i'm sure he'll have plenty of english family ringside to shout him on.

This thread is more about Warren - Joe is just his servant.

CC Fenster,excellent points all throughout this thread,logical and supported nearly every statement with evidence,great stuff bro! You should post here more rather than exclusively lurking around the other boards!!

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Its always a sore subject where Calzaghe's concerned.

The mongs and the "fans" call for the same thing - major fights...but for obvious different reasons...and obviously whatever Calzaghe does it will never be enough for the mongs

If Cazlaghe beat Kessler next the mongs would claim Kessler was a hyped up nobody aka Lacy..."wait until he fights a Hopkins or Jones"

If Cazlaghe beat Hopkins or Jones the mongs would say they were old and past their best..."wait until he fights a live body like Winky or Taylor"

If Calzaghe beat Winky or Taylor the mongs would say they were to small......so it goes.

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That's cuz it's true. Hopkins and Jones are nowhere near there primes. Why the sudden urge to fight them now (after Hopkins retired) as oppose to years ago? Taylor and Wright are both naturally smaller fighters. That ain't some made up shit. It's true. Still a win over Wright, would be impressive in my view. Taylor not as much since I think he still needs a lot of work. Kessler? There ain't no excuse. Kessler is in his prime right now. He's fought over 35 times. This ain't Lacy and his barely 20 fights. He's got like 5 or 6 former champions on his resume. He's somebody. If Calzaghe beats him, than he can't be knocked. I'll give him credit. Hell, if he beats Kessler I'll never bad mouth Calzaghe again. And I'm talking about a real win. Not one of those "Kessler had him down 3 times, but lost cuz Calzaghe claimed he couldn't continue cuz of a suppose rabbit punch." Or "Kessler beat his ass for 12, but lost cuz they were fighting in Joe's back yard." A real win.

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Hopkins agreed to fight Calzaghe a few years ago before his (Hopkins) arsehole went.

Educate yourself - http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...991029,00.html

Anyway, not sure you're the best person to judge a fighter, son, especially where Calzaghe is concerned...You even thought Bika would knock him out....hahaha ;D

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All your link says is he'll come to the US to fight Hopkins. So what? He's been saying for years that he'll travel. But for some reason, he never does. And yeah, I put some virtual money on killer's books backing Bika. Big deal. Look at my past posts and you'll see I always taught of Bika as the bum he is.

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I'm helping you out son. In future you wont embarrass yourself asking stupid questions like "why the sudden urge to fight them now as oppose to years ago?" ....before you embark on a subject do a little research first otherwise the big boys will make you look silly. Hope this helps.

You always thought Bika was a bum? That was my point, you thought Calzaghe was going to get beat by a bum, so what do think of Calzaghe? :-\ You do realise Calzaghe is in, or around, almost all knowledgeable boxing persons top 10 P4P lists? I'm sure I dont have to tell you why that is, so if you can't recognise Calzaghes talents then I think maybe your judgement, as far as boxing is concerned, is pretty poor.

Memphis nicely answered your next MONGS LOGIC post. You need to check your dates, son. ;)

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This is what happens when one doesn't really follow boxing and instead goes by other people's opinion as oppose to there owns. They make fools of themselves, like this clown. I never once said Calzaghe was talentless. Just that he hadn't fought great opposition, was overrated and scared to fight any where else but home. Him being talentless has never been posted by me. And there is no need for me to check my dates, cuz there's nothing wrong with them. When the De La Hoya fight was brought up, Hopkins was in talks with Calzaghe. It don't take a genius to realize that fighting De La Hoya (20 million) was a lot more profitable than fighting Calzaghe (3 million). In order for the De La Hoya fight to come off 3 things needed happen. 1. Hopkins needed to stay unified champion. Which means he had to fight his WBC mandatory (something Calzaghe knows something about) to keep from being stripped. Morrade Hakkar was the unworthy fighter. 2. Hopkins needed to fight one more fight for Don King to complete his contract. William Joppy was the fight. 3. Than came the build up fights. Hopkins fought Robert Allen, while Oscar took on Felix Strum. There you go. Next time try thinking for yourself instead of going off what other people think.

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Its always a sore subject where Calzaghe's concerned.

The mongs and the "fans" call for the same thing - major fights...but for obvious different reasons...and obviously whatever Calzaghe does it will never be enough for the mongs

If Cazlaghe beat Kessler next the mongs would claim Kessler was a hyped up nobody aka Lacy..."wait until he fights a Hopkins or Jones"

If Cazlaghe beat Hopkins or Jones the mongs would say they were old and past their best..."wait until he fights a live body like Winky or Taylor"

If Calzaghe beat Winky or Taylor the mongs would say they were to small......so it goes.

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That's cuz it's true. Hopkins and Jones are nowhere near there primes. Why the sudden urge to fight them now (after Hopkins retired) as oppose to years ago? Taylor and Wright are both naturally smaller fighters. That ain't some made up S***. It's true. Still a win over Wright, would be impressive in my view. Taylor not as much since I think he still needs a lot of work. Kessler? There ain't no excuse. Kessler is in his prime right now. He's fought over 35 times. This ain't Lacy and his barely 20 fights. He's got like 5 or 6 former champions on his resume. He's somebody. If Calzaghe beats him, than he can't be knocked. I'll give him credit. Hell, if he beats Kessler I'll never bad mouth Calzaghe again. And I'm talking about a real win. Not one of those "Kessler had him down 3 times, but lost cuz Calzaghe claimed he couldn't continue cuz of a suppose rabbit punch." Or "Kessler beat his a** for 12, but lost cuz they were fighting in Joe's back yard." A real win.

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Hopkins agreed to fight Calzaghe a few years ago before his (Hopkins) arsehole went.

Educate yourself - http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...991029,00.html

Anyway, not sure you're the best person to judge a fighter, son, especially where Calzaghe is concerned...You even thought Bika would knock him out....hahaha ;D

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All your link says is he'll come to the US to fight Hopkins. So what? He's been saying for years that he'll travel. But for some reason, he never does. And yeah, I put some virtual money on killer's books backing Bika. Big deal. Look at my past posts and you'll see I always taught of Bika as the bum he is.

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I'm helping you out son. In future you wont embarrass yourself asking stupid questions like "why the sudden urge to fight them now as oppose to years ago?" ....before you embark on a subject do a little research first otherwise the big boys will make you look silly. Hope this helps.

You always thought Bika was a bum? That was my point, you thought Calzaghe was going to get beat by a bum, so what do think of Calzaghe? :-\ You do realise Calzaghe is in, or around, almost all knowledgeable boxing persons top 10 P4P lists? I'm sure I dont have to tell you why that is, so if you can't recognise Calzaghes talents then I think maybe your judgement, as far as boxing is concerned, is pretty poor.

Memphis nicely answered your next MONGS LOGIC post. You need to check your dates, son. ;)

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This is what happens when one doesn't really follow boxing and instead goes by other people's opinion as oppose to there owns. They make fools of themselves, like this clown. I never once said Calzaghe was talentless. Just that he hadn't fought great opposition, was overrated and scared to fight any where else but home. Him being talentless has never been posted by me. And there is no need for me to check my dates, cuz there's nothing wrong with them. When the De La Hoya fight was brought up, Hopkins was in talks with Calzaghe. It don't take a genius to realize that fighting De La Hoya (20 million) was a lot more profitable than fighting Calzaghe (3 million). In order for the De La Hoya fight to come off 3 things needed happen. 1. Hopkins needed to stay unified champion. Which means he had to fight his WBC mandatory (something Calzaghe knows something about) to keep from being stripped. Morrade Hakkar was the unworthy fighter. 2. Hopkins needed to fight one more fight for Don King to complete his contract. William Joppy was the fight. 3. Than came the build up fights. Hopkins fought Robert Allen, while Oscar took on Felix Strum. There you go. Next time try thinking for yourself instead of going off what other people think.

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mate tbh, u may know certain things about certain boxer, but everything u said in this thread has been total bollax, clearly you got some problem, jelousy with calza, everyone can see it - but every point you have made tot ake a shot at him is just to funny.

the del la hoya fight was close on THREE years after calzaghe and warren wanted to fight hopkins in the states. Hopkins had FOUR fights during that time, 2 of them were in PA where he barley made a million, If hopkins is as good as u say, and calza is as bad as you claim surly hopkins wuda taken that career high pay-day and beaten a SMW champion...

But no, your totaly full of sh*t and actualy have the nerve to blame warren for not offering enough LOL!

Grow up ffs

As much as I hate to say it, STVD isn't saying that Calzaghe is bad...

Just that he doesn't have a lot of high caliber opponents on his record, wether or not it's because he was being ducked or FW couldn't/wouldn't make these fights is open to speculation.

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As much as I hate to say it, STVD isn't saying that Calzaghe is bad...

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calzaghe doesn't? and what hopkins does? tito/de la hoya both LIGHT middles at best, ok geln johnson good fighter. um oh tarver yeah; with wins over people like tarver surly thats a one way ticket into the hall of fame....

oh no...

I'm gonna leave this thread before it gets too ugly... :P

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As much as I hate to say it, STVD isn't saying that Calzaghe is bad...

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calzaghe doesn't? and what hopkins does? tito/de la hoya both LIGHT middles at best, ok geln johnson good fighter. um oh tarver yeah; with wins over people like tarver surly thats a one way ticket into the hall of fame....

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As much as I hate to say it, STVD isn't saying that Calzaghe is bad...

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calzaghe doesn't? and what hopkins does? tito/de la hoya both LIGHT middles at best, ok geln johnson good fighter. um oh tarver yeah; with wins over people like tarver surly thats a one way ticket into the hall of fame....

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Ugly but true ;)

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Let me make it uglier. Robert Allen, Morrade Hakkar, Carl Daniels, Syd Vanderpool, Andrew Council are not the best names to have defended against. Hakkar especially was embarrassing. But as bad as they may be. There nothing compare to this garbage list of fighters defended against. Evans Ashira, Mger Mkrtchian, Kabary Salem, Tocker Pudwill, Will McIntyre, Miguel Jimenez. And that's not including the last bum he faced.

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As much as I hate to say it, STVD isn't saying that Calzaghe is bad...

Just that he doesn't have a lot of high caliber opponents on his record, wether or not it's because he was being ducked or FW couldn't/wouldn't make these fights is open to speculation.

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calzaghe doesn't? and what hopkins does? tito/de la hoya both LIGHT middles at best, ok geln johnson good fighter. um oh tarver yeah; with wins over people like tarver surly thats a one way ticket into the hall of fame....

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Ugly but true ;)

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Let me make it uglier. Robert Allen, Morrade Hakkar, Carl Daniels, Syd Vanderpool, Andrew Council are not the best names to have defended against. Hakkar especially was embarrassing. But as bad as they may be. There nothing compare to this garbage list of fighters defended against. Evans Ashira, Mger Mkrtchian, Kabary Salem, Tocker Pudwill, Will McIntyre, Miguel Jimenez. And that's not including the last bum he faced.

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Alright people...this is getting ree-gotdam-dick-ulous.

Don't start trying to take apart Hopkins record & the people that he defeated & saying Joe fought anyone close to being what Hopkins did...that is indeed silly.

Being a fan of both...I got no issues stating the facts...Joe's opposition is much lower than Bernard's.

Come on people...keep biases aside & let's be real.

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If Calzaghe does not secure a big name soon, he will have one of the meaningless boxing careers in history. Why can't he get fights? Because he wont leave his home turf. I'm not sure if this next bit is entirely true, but Kessler travelled all the way to Australia to fight Mundine, he's not afraid to travel. That being said I doubt he would go to Joe's home turf, Kessler has the better belts and the pressure is not on him to make tihs fight happen.

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So very true. Yet you'll be surprised how many of his little groupies ignore that fact.

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well when someone wants alot more money just after they signed the deal i dont think id be too happy with that either u say about calzaghes balls and heart what about hopkins wanting more money that doesnt exactly sound like someone who was confident

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I must have poor eyesight? Where did I mention Hopkins Calzaghe? I didnt! Hopkins is RETIRED!!! The moment has past Joe for this fight. It is fair that the general public, people outside the UK-US want to see a unification bout. If it doesnt happen I will be extremely disappointed. In regards to Hopkins Calzaghe, I would say at least in 20 years Hopkins will be remembered, Calzaghe won't if he keeps going how he is.
He has to this date had the most meaningless boxing career, someone with his skills and reigning for as long as he has, could have had! ;D

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As much as I hate to say it, STVD isn't saying that Calzaghe is bad...

Just that he doesn't have a lot of high caliber opponents on his record, wether or not it's because he was being ducked or FW couldn't/wouldn't make these fights is open to speculation.

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calzaghe doesn't? and what hopkins does? tito/de la hoya both LIGHT middles at best, ok geln johnson good fighter. um oh tarver yeah; with wins over people like tarver surly thats a one way ticket into the hall of fame....

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Ugly but true ;)

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Let me make it uglier. Robert Allen, Morrade Hakkar, Carl Daniels, Syd Vanderpool, Andrew Council are not the best names to have defended against. Hakkar especially was embarrassing. But as bad as they may be. There nothing compare to this garbage list of fighters defended against. Evans Ashira, Mger Mkrtchian, Kabary Salem, Tocker Pudwill, Will McIntyre, Miguel Jimenez. And that's not including the last bum he faced.

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Alright people...this is getting ree-gotdam-dick-ulous.

Don't start trying to take apart Hopkins record & the people that he defeated & saying Joe fought anyone close to being what Hopkins did...that is indeed silly.

Being a fan of both...I got no issues stating the facts...Joe's opposition is much lower than Bernard's.

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wack u know i love and respect your opinion, but seriously i don't agree with that, hopkins may have 'bigger names' but for the weight devision their at neither fighter has fought anyone that stands out whos better than the other has fought...

if u dissagree, plz compare them..

now like u im abig fan of both fighters, really i loved hopkins as a fighter, but for people to constantly go on about calzaghe for having 'no one' on his record takes the piss, everythign he does and everyone he beats

the next possible calzaghe fights (saying he wins..)

Kessler - kessler becomes overrated...

winky right.. winky wasn't a SMW...

JT, overrated slightly or didn't have enough time to grow into SMW..

Clinton woods .. who gives a fk...

RJJ.. to old

Hopkins.. to old...


Now take hopkins..

De la hoya, Tito, neither was a MW, where was the calzaghe fight, where was the step up for the RJJ rematch, the James tony fight? but hopkins is regarded as this total legend! why??

after the tito fight he fought 4 nobodys, a brilliant WW and LMW de la hoya, was very unimpressive against a hoard i can't put more than 2 punches together easterman, then 2 losses (how ever conreversial) with Taylor

thing is, i can see and respect the talent hopkins had, can take into consideration things like how he wanted to prelong his career with his age without going to war - but when calzaghe is ever brought up on this board u get the same idiots everytime make stupid remarks about how "he wont travel" when hes gone out to germany and demark to fight, made it very clear he would go to the us to fight a top fighter, question of his lack of 'top fighters' whe hes beaten everyone put in front of him, called out constantly RJJ and hopkins, the ONLY fighter he didn't fight and 'could' of is glen johnson was through 'injury' i put that in ' ' coz its anyones right o question weather he used the injury as a way to duck him...

i know it may sound like i was taking a pop at hopkins, but im trying to just show how both fighters have very simular records and quality in opposition, yet one is regarded as a legend, while the other is picked apart and considerd a paper champion, and for this to constantly happen on a message board where people use the term 'general boxing fan' so often on here refering to people not ont his board, is a freaking joke IMO

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As much as I hate to say it, STVD isn't saying that Calzaghe is bad...

Just that he doesn't have a lot of high caliber opponents on his record, wether or not it's because he was being ducked or FW couldn't/wouldn't make these fights is open to speculation.

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calzaghe doesn't? and what hopkins does? tito/de la hoya both LIGHT middles at best, ok geln johnson good fighter. um oh tarver yeah; with wins over people like tarver surly thats a one way ticket into the hall of fame....

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Ugly but true ;)

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Let me make it uglier. Robert Allen, Morrade Hakkar, Carl Daniels, Syd Vanderpool, Andrew Council are not the best names to have defended against. Hakkar especially was embarrassing. But as bad as they may be. There nothing compare to this garbage list of fighters defended against. Evans Ashira, Mger Mkrtchian, Kabary Salem, Tocker Pudwill, Will McIntyre, Miguel Jimenez. And that's not including the last bum he faced.

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Alright people...this is getting ree-gotdam-dick-ulous.

Don't start trying to take apart Hopkins record & the people that he defeated & saying Joe fought anyone close to being what Hopkins did...that is indeed silly.

Being a fan of both...I got no issues stating the facts...Joe's opposition is much lower than Bernard's.

Come on people...keep biases aside & let's be real.

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wack u know i love and respect your opinion, but seriously i don't agree with that, hopkins may have 'bigger names' but for the weight devision their at neither fighter has fought anyone that stands out whos better than the other has fought...

if u dissagree, plz compare them..

now like u im abig fan of both fighters, really i loved hopkins as a fighter, but for people to constantly go on about calzaghe for having 'no one' on his record takes the piss, everythign he does and everyone he beats

the next possible calzaghe fights (saying he wins..)

Kessler - kessler becomes overrated...

winky right.. winky wasn't a SMW...

JT, overrated slightly or didn't have enough time to grow into SMW..

Clinton woods .. who gives a fk...

RJJ.. to old

Hopkins.. to old...


Now take hopkins..

De la hoya, Tito, neither was a MW, where was the calzaghe fight, where was the step up for the RJJ rematch, the James tony fight? but hopkins is regarded as this total legend! why??

after the tito fight he fought 4 nobodys, a brilliant WW and LMW de la hoya, was very unimpressive against a hoard i can't put more than 2 punches together easterman, then 2 losses (how ever conreversial) with Taylor

thing is, i can see and respect the talent hopkins had, can take into consideration things like how he wanted to prelong his career with his age without going to war - but when calzaghe is ever brought up on this board u get the same idiots everytime make stupid remarks about how "he wont travel" when hes gone out to germany and demark to fight, made it very clear he would go to the us to fight a top fighter, question of his lack of 'top fighters' whe hes beaten everyone put in front of him, called out constantly RJJ and hopkins, the ONLY fighter he didn't fight and 'could' of is glen johnson was through 'injury' i put that in ' ' coz its anyones right o question weather he used the injury as a way to duck him...

i know it may sound like i was taking a pop at hopkins, but im trying to just show how both fighters have very simular records and quality in opposition, yet one is regarded as a legend, while the other is picked apart and considerd a paper champion, and for this to constantly happen on a message board where people use the term 'general boxing fan' so often on here refering to people not ont his board, is a freaking joke IMO

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Yes, Tito and DLH may have been small, but at the end of the day, they are 2 big names on his resume regardless how you put it. After Tito smashed Joppy many picked him to dismantle BHOP with ease, but not the case. Tarver beat high rated Jones, BHOP embarrassed Tarver.
They may have had similar opponents but Hoppy has got the big names on there and that is what counts. Its all good to call out fighters, but actually fighting them is a differnet thing. Lacy is a good name but he was inexperienced, not trying to take anything away from the win. JT, Winky would be good fights for Joe but what incentive do they have to fight him when they could earn a lot more fighting each other again.

Finally, Joe may have travelled to Germany and Denmark, but the US is where it is at. I notice a lot of people say FW has overprotected Joe, well i certainly have to agree with that one.
Not trying to have too much of a shot at Joe because he does have skills and could be great, but he has nooone to blame but himself for that, you want the fights with big names u accept their shitty demands, like DLH asking for 70/30 with Floyd or similar to what MAB does.
If Floyd wants it then the fight is his. I just wish that u Joe fans would stop making excuses for him and see his opposition is poor and it is because he hasn't tried hard enough to make the fights. He has to prove himself, thus he has to make the fights.

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Alright people...this is getting ree-gotdam-dick-ulous.

Don't start trying to take apart Hopkins record & the people that he defeated & saying Joe fought anyone close to being what Hopkins did...that is indeed silly.

Being a fan of both...I got no issues stating the facts...Joe's opposition is much lower than Bernard's.

Come on people...keep biases aside & let's be real.

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wack u know i love and respect your opinion, but seriously i don't agree with that, hopkins may have 'bigger names' but for the weight devision their at neither fighter has fought anyone that stands out whos better than the other has fought...

if u dissagree, plz compare them..

now like u im abig fan of both fighters, really i loved hopkins as a fighter, but for people to constantly go on about calzaghe for having 'no one' on his record takes the piss, everythign he does and everyone he beats

the next possible calzaghe fights (saying he wins..)

Kessler - kessler becomes overrated...

winky right.. winky wasn't a SMW...

JT, overrated slightly or didn't have enough time to grow into SMW..

Clinton woods .. who gives a fk...

RJJ.. to old

Hopkins.. to old...


Now take hopkins..

De la hoya, Tito, neither was a MW, where was the calzaghe fight, where was the step up for the RJJ rematch, the James tony fight? but hopkins is regarded as this total legend! why??

after the tito fight he fought 4 nobodys, a brilliant WW and LMW de la hoya, was very unimpressive against a hoard i can't put more than 2 punches together easterman, then 2 losses (how ever conreversial) with Taylor

thing is, i can see and respect the talent hopkins had, can take into consideration things like how he wanted to prelong his career with his age without going to war - but when calzaghe is ever brought up on this board u get the same idiots everytime make stupid remarks about how "he wont travel" when hes gone out to germany and demark to fight, made it very clear he would go to the us to fight a top fighter, question of his lack of 'top fighters' whe hes beaten everyone put in front of him, called out constantly RJJ and hopkins, the ONLY fighter he didn't fight and 'could' of is glen johnson was through 'injury' i put that in ' ' coz its anyones right o question weather he used the injury as a way to duck him...

i know it may sound like i was taking a pop at hopkins, but im trying to just show how both fighters have very simular records and quality in opposition, yet one is regarded as a legend, while the other is picked apart and considerd a paper champion, and for this to constantly happen on a message board where people use the term 'general boxing fan' so often on here refering to people not ont his board, is a freaking joke IMO

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Alright...this is probably not a good time...because I Just came in from a Halloween party & am wasted...but I shall start here & finish later. Again...I will do me best...but I am a bit snockered.

Comparing opposition & then abilities...first abilities.

Hopkins: Surpeme jab & defense & one of the most amazingly crafty approaches of the game...no shit.

Calzaghe: Decent jab, weak defense, very good at coming in & dismantling a fighter head on & straight up...no craftiness...basiclly...overpowering game plan.

Opposition:

Hopkins: Lost his very first pro fight at 175. Clearly not his weight class.

Began to move towards a dominating class of 160. Out of his first 22 or 23 opponents he knocked out 17 of them prior to the 4th round, 12 in the first round, before losing a UD to the great RJJ. He would then go on to dominate his division & some of the better fighters of 160lbs & some of the super stars of 154 on the rise such as Trinidad & Oscar. As far as note worthy names @ 160 that most poster criticize but have little knowledge of Joppy, Lipsey, Frank, Vanderpool, Johnson, Jackson, Echols, & Eastman. He would then go on to controversially lose to Taylor twice & then come in to redemption by totally shutting out Antonio Tarver @ 175lbs.

Hopkins is undeniabley a throwback & a true craftsman. No one can compare...& it's bad for me to say such...comes off as very biased...but the trutrh is the truth.

Calzaghe: Joe's record seems astounding on paper...he's 41 & O against...well...that's the thing...against whom? From 1993 to 2006 Joe has been undefeated with 31 knockouts.
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Of note...on record...the most recognizeable wins are against Viet, Sheika, Eubanks, Mkrtchian, & Lacy. That aint a whole mess of talent folks.

Other than defneding his titles for 19 shots...Joe doesn't hold much of a candle to the Nard.

Anyone can sit down &compare records between the two...but Hops is the most accomplished.

Sorry...but he is.

When I am a bit more soberized...I will elaborate. I'm too drunk for dis shit! ;D

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contrary to some people here I don't dislike Joe at all. I just think he is a good fighter that has never really allowed anyone to see how good or bad he is.

Sure, we know he can beat slowish power-guys, but where is the Mads Larsen, Ottke, Prime-Beyer, Bute, Mundine ... KESSLER ....in his resume?

the closest we get is Reid, and we all know how dominant Joe DIDN'T look in that fight.

Joe has been more careful in his picking of opponents than almost anyone else with comparable longivity. Ottke did get some gifts and that is a huge draw back when assessing his carreer. However, He DID make the difficult fights happen and took a wide variety of opponents. Now - Joe ducking of technical and fast fighters is imo. just as bad as Ottke's giftdecisions. The effect of both is the same - to avoid losses.

However, Joe still has the chance to mend that (to some extent) and it is NOT by moving to LHW and meeting a slowish powerguy! It is by fighting a real fighter in his own division. Simple really. Joe's recipy to legacy is written in black and white everywhere he looks. Everyone (except a few scared calzaghe-fans) wants him to stop talking about a 42 year old retired fighter or a middleweight or a the second-best in a reality TV-show - and wake up and fight Kessler!

I don't dislike Joe, but someone has fucked his carreer up and it is almost impossible to know how good Joe really is. All we can say is that he is really good at beating someone like Lacy. And after 10 years with a belt that just aint cutting it.

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What with you constantly referring to Calzcrappy and stating he's overrated i assumed thats what led you into your embarrassing mistake of thinking a "bum" like Bika would KO him. Thought maybe you had seen some flaws Bika could exploit. Thought maybe you didn't recognise Cazlaghe's talents. What other reason could there be? Surely you didn't pick against Calzaghe cause you dont like him? Isn't that a bit JUVENILE? MORONIC maybe? Don't let HATE cloud your judgement, son.... Look how it ends up embarrassing you.

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And there is no need for me to check my dates, cuz there's nothing wrong with them. When the De La Hoya fight was brought up, Hopkins was in talks with Calzaghe. It don't take a genius to realize that fighting De La Hoya (20 million) was a lot more profitable than fighting Calzaghe (3 million). In order for the De La Hoya fight to come off 3 things needed happen. 1. Hopkins needed to stay unified champion. Which means he had to fight his WBC mandatory (something Calzaghe knows something about) to keep from being stripped. Morrade Hakkar was the unworthy fighter. 2. Hopkins needed to fight one more fight for Don King to complete his contract. William Joppy was the fight. 3. Than came the build up fights. Hopkins fought Robert Allen, while Oscar took on Felix Strum.

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No one ever claimed Hopkins made the wrong decisions. And I agree with you, you've hit the nail on the head here, son.

Why would you refuse to fight a guy for a £3m career highest pay day to fight guys for 300,000 dollars? Well, one OBVIOUS reason could of been If he'd accepted the Cazlaghe fight there was a strong chance (hell of a lot stronger chance than Hakaar, Daniels, Joppy or Allen) of blowing the easy Oscar money! Calzaghe was a SERIOUS threat. Hopkins knew it cause he's a smart guy. He can obviously recognise world class talent when he see's it. Calzaghe can not be blamed for the Hopkins fight NOT happening. Fact.

On a final note, cause you seem to have your figures a bit messed up, Hopkins purse for the De La Hoya fight was $8,000,000 plus seven dollars for each pay-per-view buy above 800,000. It had around one million buys. Taking Hopkins purse to around $10 million. It doesn't take a genius to work out $10m isn't $20m. Hope this helps.

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CC Fenster,excellent points all throughout this thread,logical and supported nearly every statement with evidence,great stuff bro! You should post here more rather than exclusively lurking around the other boards!!

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Thanks mate, CC back.