Just another Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Klitschko vs Brock

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...apparently SOME people think Wlad is a less hairy version of Nicolay Valuev or a bigger John Ruiz and nothing could be further from the truth

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Any fool that thinks Wlad is anywhere near as bad as Nick(who I respect) or John(who makes blood squirt out of my eyes) is simply a fool or a hater. Anyone who actually likes boxing should be very very happy Wlad is around.

As long as Wlad don't start holding he is alright ! He just needs Jay Nady in there to remind him, and he will be fine ! ;) Wlad takes brock down in the 3rd ! ;)

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Very true 1st rd.....Wladimir is the best title holder out there and I think if King was man enough to allow a unification tournament then he'd come out on top.

There is a young group of good American heavyweights who just need time to develop....the older fighters are consistent but the guys who SHOULD be in their primes aren't and it's a shame

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

As long as Wlad don't start holding he is alright ! He just needs Jay Nady in there to remind him, and he will be fine ! ;) Wlad takes brock down in the 3rd ! ;)

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I still dont buy that "wlad holds!" stuff,but i agree,Brock goes back to tap dancing in under 6 rds (im calling it 4)

...it's a tactic, he's not the first or only boxer to do it....I hate how he gets ripped on for doing that. At least he's not rabbit punching SAM PETER!!!

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...it's a tactic, he's not the first or only boxer to do it....I hate how he gets ripped on for doing that.

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Agreed. It is indeed bullshit...but haterism runs rampant through the game lately...so are you really that surprised by it?

Honestly...lately...I'm starting to lose touch with some of the so called fans & supporters of our sport.

It's like listening to kids crying over candy sometimes. ;D

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...it's a tactic, he's not the first or only boxer to do it....I hate how he gets ripped on for doing that. At least he's not rabbit punching SAM PETER!!!

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yeah but at least rabbit punching is hitting. ;) Holding is an illegal tactic don’t forget. .. It wouldn’t be a rabbit punch if Sam's opponents just stopped turning their heads. ;) if only they just keep their chin in the air and look str8 ahead, all that could be avoided ! ;D ..

....oh so Sam's opponents turn their heads huh....he doesn't just swing wildly and prays for something to land???

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....oh so Sam's opponents turn their heads huh....he doesn't just swing wildly and prays for something to land???

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Just a friendly retaliation for being illegally held, Toney is hugging my boy like they in love !
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tsk tsk....two wrongs don't make a right

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Originally Posted by Lyle

tsk tsk....two wrongs don't make a right

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;) #845

...haha figured you'd like that ;D

back at ya #415

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...it's a tactic, he's not the first or only boxer to do it....I hate how he gets ripped on for doing that.

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Agreed. It is indeed bullshit...but haterism runs rampant through the game lately...so are you really that surprised by it?

Honestly...lately...I'm starting to lose touch with some of the so called fans & supporters of our sport.

It's like listening to kids crying over candy sometimes. ;D

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Im no Wlad "fan boy" (or whatever it is called) but tying up your opponent is legal as far as I know. What Wlad does dosent even come close to Ruiz. So F that "Wlad hugs em like he loves them" sh@$. Its up to the ref to break it up. Anyway, if Brock makes past 5 Ill be shocked! :o

BROCK DOES NOT HAVE EVEN

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THIS SHOULD BE MAGNUMS SOBER ROUND BY ROUND >:mad






Just Kidding, :coolclick: for this one Wacks

I think this is a fight that prety much suits Wlad 9 times outta 10.
Shorter, slower, lighter, weaker.... Its a no brainer as long as Wlad in on par.

Wlad by KO before round 8 (i would say round 5 but Brock will prove something somewhere to make Wlad think a little ;))

While I do think that Wlad is the best all around fighter in the division at the moment, I still think he has plenty of vulnerabilities.

I don't buy into the 'glass jaw' argument, but I do believe that Wlad has trouble when he gets caught flush by a solid puncher. I honestly think a lot of it's mental. I think the reason he's done his falling down routine in the past is a combination of weak chin and stamina, coupled with an inability to overcome his fear in the ring. It's like he gets flustered if he gets caught, tries too hard to compensate for it, and winds up gassing out.

That being said, I think Manny's done an outstanding job of working on Wlad's psyche. Let's face it...that's the only thing beating Wlad in a HW ring these days.

Wlad by UD.

(Oops! I accidentally clicked Brock by KO...)

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Originally Posted by Lyle

tsk tsk....two wrongs don't make a right

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but it makes it even. ;)

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

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Sal sal sal sal sal. I don't really think that is entirely accurate, I would suggest that you may have exaggerated somewhat. I'd bet you a week's cc's that brock takes Wlad at least into the second half of the fight. You fancy it? I believe it is taken from the "put up or shut up" thread, but still.... ;)

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Originally Posted by bcollins

While I do think that Wlad is the best all around fighter in the division at the moment, I still think he has plenty of vulnerabilities.

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:coolclick: Good post.

Now...that being said...I agree...to agree to disagree to a certain extent. Here's why:

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Originally Posted by bcollins

I don't buy into the 'glass jaw' argument, but I do believe that Wlad has trouble when he gets caught flush by a solid puncher. I honestly think a lot of it's mental. I think the reason he's done his falling down routine in the past is a combination of weak chin and stamina, coupled with an inability to overcome his fear in the ring. It's like he gets flustered if he gets caught, tries too hard to compensate for it, and winds up gassing out.

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Wlad's only been down 3 times in almost 50 fights. The weak chin arguement goes right out the window there. Wlad recovers quite well when clocked flush. Watch all fights but exclude the Sanders match. Wlad can take a hell of a shot from some pretty heavy handed hitters. He took everything that Peter, Jefferson, Williamson, McCline, Brewster, & Shufford could throw. All those gents are heavy with knockouts. The chin arguement is a moot point.

Stamina? Yes...but he seems to have over come that issue (threw a high number against Byrd & kept his breath) & he seems to have overcome the fear of taking a big shot (Peter) from a heavy hitter.

Stamina is Wlad's worst enemy.

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Originally Posted by bcollins

That being said, I think Manny's done an outstanding job of working on Wlad's psyche. Let's face it...that's the only thing beating Wlad in a HW ring these days.

Wlad by UD.

(Oops! I accidentally clicked Brock by KO...)

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As overratted as I think that Manny is...he does have a calming effect on Wlad...or he seems to. He's bumped his ego back in to place & I honestly think that that is what will push Wlad to become our unified champ.

Honestly...I'm a big fan of the guy now. For some reason...I never was. I was just to caught up in Vitali. Wlad is the superior fighter & he's more technical & fluid in the ring. The guy has grown on me to become one of my favorites...atleast in the void of his brother.

I hope that he shows out this weekend...I really do.

Wlad has been down 6/7 times in 50 fights, Purrity I don't think knocked him down but he stopped him.

You're a fan of Wlad because I used common sense to get you to realize what a good fighter he is

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by bcollins

Honestly...I'm a big fan of the guy now. For some reason...I never was. I was just to caught up in Vitali. Wlad is the superior fighter & he's more technical & fluid in the ring. The guy has grown on me to become one of my favorites...atleast in the void of his brother.

I hope that he shows out this weekend...I really do.

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CC in 24....I was a Vitali fan 1st and formost...I liked Wlad too but when I saw the Sanders and Brewster fight I cooled off from being a big fan of his and and lost confidence...There are some fighters you watch and you route for that exude 100% confidence in the ring and seem to be incontrol and not in danger unless its a freak thing to name a few Lenox Lewis, Vitali Klit, B-Hop, Winky Wright, Floyd Mayweather etc.. Wlad isint there yet IMO...

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If he can get through Brock and not get spooked or Flustered then I will be putting more faith in him......I Luved the Klitschko Brothers and thought they were going to Lock up the Division for 6-7 years...But hey we still got Wlad and I'm hoping to be confident in him again..

I want this F&*(ing division sorted out..Like I posted earlier Being a Heavyweight title holder is a Gotdam revolving door......

it'll sort out if King lets his guys fight boxers who aren't bums....he was banking on Sergei to beat Shannon, now his crown jewel is just a freakshow.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Wlad has been down 6/7 times in 50 fights, Purrity I don't think knocked him down but he stopped him.

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I should have specified OUT instead of down when I said 3 times.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

You're a fan of Wlad because I used common sense to get you to realize what a good fighter he is

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Ha! Don't go givin yourself a reach around just yet...he's still got work...but common sense had nothing to do with hit. Had his brother stayed in the game...Wlad would still be playing second fiddle to Vitali for me.

But...out with the old & in with the new & you gotta take what you have offered up to you.

Truthfully...I hope that he works it all out for the duration.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by bcollins

Honestly...I'm a big fan of the guy now. For some reason...I never was. I was just to caught up in Vitali. Wlad is the superior fighter & he's more technical & fluid in the ring. The guy has grown on me to become one of my favorites...atleast in the void of his brother.

I hope that he shows out this weekend...I really do.

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CC in 24....I was a Vitali fan 1st and formost...I liked Wlad too but when I saw the Sanders and Brewster fight I cooled off from being a big fan of his and and lost confidence...There are some fighters you watch and you route for that exude 100% confidence in the ring and seem to be incontrol and not in danger unless its a freak thing to name a few Lenox Lewis, Vitali Klit, B-Hop, Winky Wright, Floyd Mayweather etc.. Wlad isint there yet IMO...

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If he can get through Brock and not get spooked or Flustered then I will be putting more faith in him......I Luved the Klitschko Brothers and thought they were going to Lock up the Division for 6-7 years...But hey we still got Wlad and I'm hoping to be confident in him again..

I want this F&*(ing division sorted out..Like I posted earlier Being a Heavyweight title holder is a Gotdam revolving door......

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Agreed. :coolclick: in another 24 & I fixed that shit for ya babe. ;)

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Originally Posted by Lyle

it'll sort out if King lets his guys fight boxers who aren't bums....he was banking on Sergei to beat Shannon, now his crown jewel is just a freakshow.

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Agreed. :coolclick:

I was quite thrilled that Briggs nailed Sergei. Told ya he weren't shit. ;) ;D

and with Cedric Kushner having 1 champ, Don having 2 champs (1 who is a nobody and one who fought a nobody), and K2/Shelly Finkle having one champ it's the PERFECT time for a unification tournament!!!


Go ahead and let Wladimir get all the belts, he's 30 now, he can hang on to them for a good 3-4 years before he retires still young and in good shape.

that will give chances to guys like Dimitrenko, Chambers, Scott, and so on and ALSO allow for other guys to develop.

If 1 guy has ALL the belts it's best for the division because the cream of the crop are forced to fight each other for top ranking

I picked Wlad to win and I so hope he does it impressively. The heavyweight division is in such a desperate need for someone to step up and be the man!! Crap who am I kidding the heavyweight division is in desperate need of someone stepping up and being a man!!!! I think Wlad is the best out of an average group of HW's.

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Originally Posted by TyBuff

I picked Wlad to win and I so hope he does it impressively. The heavyweight division is in such a desperate need for someone to step up and be the man!! Crap who am I kidding the heavyweight division is in desperate need of someone stepping up and being a man!!!! I think Wlad is the best out of an average group of HW's.

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On the grounds of sounding repetitive...I'm with you.

I hope he does it impressively...& I believe that he will. I really don't think the division is as bad as it seems. I like what's happening with it lately. Slowly but surely...everyone is coming together & everyone is getting sorted out.

I agree with you also...Wlad is the best out of an average group of HW's.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by TyBuff

I picked Wlad to win and I so hope he does it impressively. The heavyweight division is in such a desperate need for someone to step up and be the man!! Crap who am I kidding the heavyweight division is in desperate need of someone stepping up and being a man!!!! I think Wlad is the best out of an average group of HW's.

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On the grounds of sounding repetitive...I'm with you.

I hope he does it impressively...& I believe that he will. I really don't think the division is as bad as it seems. I like what's happening with it lately. Slowly but surely...everyone is coming together & everyone is getting sorted out.

I agree with you also...Wlad is the best out of an average group of HW's.

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"Wlad is the best out of an average group of HW's"

Why is everyone so down on the HW dev? Its really not that bad. Could be better yes. But its not as bad as people seem to think. And Wlad is hardly average.

All this time I've been saying Wladdy by TKO but for some reason I'm starting to lean towards Brock by UD.... :-\


Still Wladdy by TKO.... 8)

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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by TyBuff

I picked Wlad to win and I so hope he does it impressively. The heavyweight division is in such a desperate need for someone to step up and be the man!! Crap who am I kidding the heavyweight division is in desperate need of someone stepping up and being a man!!!! I think Wlad is the best out of an average group of HW's.

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On the grounds of sounding repetitive...I'm with you.

I hope he does it impressively...& I believe that he will. I really don't think the division is as bad as it seems. I like what's happening with it lately. Slowly but surely...everyone is coming together & everyone is getting sorted out.

I agree with you also...Wlad is the best out of an average group of HW's.

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"Wlad is the best out of an average group of HW's"

Why is everyone so down on the HW dev? Its really not that bad. Could be better yes. But its not as bad as people seem to think. And Wlad is hardly average.

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I didnt say Wlad was average, I said the HW group is average. To the point I meant he was above average, so that makes him the best. ;D ??? :D

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Originally Posted by TyBuff

I didnt say Wlad was average, I said the HW group is average. To the point I meant he was above average, so that makes him the best. ;D ??? :D

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Yes, but isn't it depressing that all you have to be in order to be the best heavyweight in the world is "above average". So far Brock has not really had the top level opponents where he can show what he's really made of. This fight is where he has to put up or shut up. Indeed I think both of them, who have secret id's on this site have bet a month of cc's on the result. ;)

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

All this time I've been saying Wladdy by TKO but for some reason I'm starting to lean towards Brock by UD.... :-\


Still Wladdy by TKO.... 8)

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Have you seen ANYONE outbox Wlad?.....hell it's hard to find out who won a round vs him

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

All this time I've been saying Wladdy by TKO but for some reason I'm starting to lean towards Brock by UD.... :-\


Still Wladdy by TKO.... 8)

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Have you seen ANYONE outbox Wlad?.....hell it's hard to find out who won a round vs him

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Sam Peter, Ross Purrity, Lamon Brewster, Corrie Sanders.........Wlad is good but he aint walking on water yet... ;)

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

All this time I've been saying Wladdy by TKO but for some reason I'm starting to lean towards Brock by UD.... :-\


Still Wladdy by TKO.... 8)

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Have you seen ANYONE outbox Wlad?.....hell it's hard to find out who won a round vs him

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didnt sam peter put him down 3 times ??

Yeah and Sam still lost a one sided decision.....your point?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Yeah and Sam still lost a one sided decision.....your point?

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Relax ninja.... ;) WLad is far from established himself as the end all be all....He is on his way though

~ Referee: Randy Neumann | Judge: Lynne Carter 114-111 | Judge: George Hill 114-111 | Judge: Steve Weisfeld 114-111 ~


3 scores of 114-111 aint a one sided beat down by the way

For getting a close-up of the canvas as many times as he did in that fight, Wlad was still impressive to me. Here's why:

- He got up. And again. And went on to win. This was something Wlad needed to do to prove he should be where he is.

-He seriously outboxed Peter. Not that that is difficult to do in and of itself, but he looked like the fighter a lot of people want him to be. His jab truly is a ferocious weapon, and that straight right is even worse. If Peter didn't have a chin of steel, he would've been out early.

-Movement. I was very surprised to see Wlad's agility in this fight - for a guy that big, he can actually move.

On the other hand, he did show shades of his former problems with stamina, weak chin, whatever you want to call it. But Peter is a huge puncher, and he did get up, so....for me, the jury's still out. We all know Wlad has the strength and skills to dominate the division. But he still seems very vulnerable to me. I gues I'm just having a hard time putting the images of him falling all over the ring out of my head.

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

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Sal sal sal sal sal. I don't really think that is entirely accurate, I would suggest that you may have exaggerated somewhat. I'd bet you a week's cc's that brock takes Wlad at least into the second half of the fight. You fancy it? I believe it is taken from the "put up or shut up" thread, but still.... ;)

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i can guarentee you that IF the fight lasts till round 4...

after rd 3 when brock sits on his tool you will see the blankest stare a man has ever had

he will have realized he threw away a chance to make a fuckload more money by winning the other belts and remaining undefeated

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

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Sal sal sal sal sal. I don't really think that is entirely accurate, I would suggest that you may have exaggerated somewhat. I'd bet you a week's cc's that brock takes Wlad at least into the second half of the fight. You fancy it? I believe it is taken from the "put up or shut up" thread, but still.... ;)

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i can guarentee you that IF the fight lasts till round 4...

after rd 3 when brock sits on his tool you will see the blankest stare a man has ever had

he will have realized he threw away a chance to make a fuckload more money by winning the other belts and remaining undefeated

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So is that acceptance of the wager then? Personally I don't see Brock winning, but I don't see Wlad being able to put him on his arse within 6, as you seem so confident that he will!