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How is Floyds boxing even being questioned??You ask any real fighter and any real trainer who the best is and 95% of them will tell you Mayweather.Duran was strong but you are completely wrong if you think that he would just drop hard shots and outwork Floyd.Someone said that Floyd would break his shoulder trying to block Durans shots??WTF are you smoking?Its so funny that after Floyd beats a guy...the guy becomes either a "bum" or "past his prime".Everyone seems to have this notion that Duran and all these other great welters could knock floyd out...you cant be serious(When has floyd ever been stunned by a punch??????)IMO you cant compare fighters of this era to those of the past b/c fighters today are stronger,are more educated about nutrition,techniques,etc...
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As for the title of the subject "Mayweather not as good as jones whos kidding who"
Floyd is better or on par with Jones as far as every single physical attribute EXCEPT POWER
In terms of Boxing ability and technical mastery whether its offense or defense, Floyd is absolute textbook to a tee, Floyd is as fundamentally sound as any fighter that has ever stepped foot in a boxing ring and he certainly blows Roy Jones jr out of the water just on pure Technical ability..
Floyd relies on technique 1st and athleticism 2nd.. Jones was Flashy and Exciting because he was always on a whole other level than his opposition in terms as God given athleticism, unfortunately he relied on that too much... Floyd is the exact opposite and his style will keep him in the game a whole lot longer if he decides to go a few more years and he wont suffer the same fate as Roy did...
Floyd is bettering his standing by fighting DLH and hopefully after that he fights and beats Hatton, Cotto, Mosely... and some young up and comers. Then IMO Floyd will be one of the top 5 of all time...
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I suppose what im getting at is i really dont dig fighters who move too far from their optimal weight if it means it detracts from thier peformance.
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Couldn't agree more!
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IMO you cant compare fighters of this era to those of the past b/c fighters today are stronger,are more educated about nutrition,techniques,etc...
...and also softer, less determined, and generally not as strong-willed. Those fighters of yesteryear had to grind it out, whereas today's fighters live in a world that is more accomodating.
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IMO you cant compare fighters of this era to those of the past b/c fighters today are stronger,are more educated about nutrition,techniques,etc...
...and also softer, less determined, and generally not as strong-willed. Those fighters of yesteryear had to grind it out, whereas today's fighters live in a world that is more accomodating.
How is Pac,Winky,Floyd,Barrerra,Baldo,etc soft?
How are they less determined?
Not as strong willed?Floyd Mayweather practically lives in a gym...if that is a weak fighter...I gurantee Duran never spent 6hrs in a gym and ran up to 8miles a day
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Originally Posted by bcollins
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
IMO you cant compare fighters of this era to those of the past b/c fighters today are stronger,are more educated about nutrition,techniques,etc...
...and also softer, less determined, and generally not as strong-willed. Those fighters of yesteryear had to grind it out, whereas today's fighters live in a world that is more accomodating.
How is Pac,Winky,Floyd,Barrerra,Baldo,etc soft?
How are they less determined?
Not as strong willed?Floyd Mayweather practically lives in a gym...if that is a weak fighter...I gurantee Duran never spent 6hrs in a gym and ran up to 8miles a day
I'll gurantee he DID. 8)
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when it's all said and done PBF will be remember as a better fighter than jones. i personly think that skill for skill a prime PBF beats a prime jones.
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matter fact for all i know PBF may not even have reached his prime yet. he might come out and spank oscars ass in a way we never thought possible.
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when it's all said and done PBF will be remember as a better fighter than jones. i personly think that skill for skill a prime PBF beats a prime jones.
No way. Jones never got a gift decision in his career and never needed one. PBF already has gotten one. Jones was much more dominant than Floyd.
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roy jone tarver I is consider by many to be a gift decision. i'm not one of those people but it is what it is.
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roy jone tarver I is consider by many to be a gift decision. i'm not one of those people but it is what it is.
Only by haters and idiots though. Tarver gassed out and lost the last two rounds. Jones dug down deep and won, it was clear. No way did Tarver win 7 rounds, not a chance, and he knows it. Point is Roy defeated 15 past or current world champions, he dominated then P4P King James "Lights Out" Toney, he won a world title at HW, easily handled very good veteran fighters like Reggie Johnson, and did things so unorthodox no one else has been able to do at that level. He was a phenom. PBF has done very well, but lost to Castillo, and struggled a good deal with Zab Judah, whom I like a lot, but Roy would have KO'd him, had they been in the same weight class. Floyd is a great fighter, but he is no Roy Jones Jr.
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when it's all said and done PBF will be remember as a better fighter than jones
Maybe that will be so, but we don't know this yet.
There have been lots of fighters over the years who have been dominant in their primes, but it's the years after their primes that defines just how good they are.
For example, Jones was always a great athlete who didn't pay attention to the fundamentals, because he could get away with it. But once age took away some of his skills, he was exposed. He didn't know how to adjust, and his chin was shown to be suspect.
Mayweather is the #1 fighter on the planet right now, but what he does 3 or 4 years from now is what will determine where he ranks all-time. What will he do in the ring when he can't dominate guys with his speed and movement? Will he adjust? I think he can, but we won't know until we see it with our own eyes.
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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
when it's all said and done PBF will be remember as a better fighter than jones
Maybe that will be so, but we don't know this yet.
There have been lots of fighters over the years who have been dominant in their primes, but it's the years after their primes that defines just how good they are.
For example, Jones was always a great athlete who didn't pay attention to the fundamentals, because he could get away with it. But once age took away some of his skills, he was exposed. He didn't know how to adjust, and his chin was shown to be suspect.
Mayweather is the #1 fighter on the planet right now, but what he does 3 or 4 years from now is what will determine where he ranks all-time. What will he do in the ring when he can't dominate guys with his speed and movement? Will he adjust? I think he can, but we won't know until we see it with our own eyes.
Thats BS right there. What fighters do in their PRIMES determines their legacy not what they do after. So what are Evander Holyfield's great wins at HW against Douglas, Tyson, Bowe, Foreman etc overshadowed by his losses to John Ruiz? Do we ignore or diminish Iran Barkley's wars with Hearns and Duran and look at him losing his last 6 fights and fighting at HW, losing to Trevor Berbick? Sure its great, and icing on the cake when fighters who were awesome in their prime come back past their prime to pull off big upsets, but that is not what defines them. We remember them when they were at their best in their primes.
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when it's all said and done PBF will be remember as a better fighter than jones
Maybe that will be so, but we don't know this yet.
There have been lots of fighters over the years who have been dominant in their primes, but it's the years after their primes that defines just how good they are.
For example, Jones was always a great athlete who didn't pay attention to the fundamentals, because he could get away with it. But once age took away some of his skills, he was exposed. He didn't know how to adjust, and his chin was shown to be suspect.
Mayweather is the #1 fighter on the planet right now, but what he does 3 or 4 years from now is what will determine where he ranks all-time. What will he do in the ring when he can't dominate guys with his speed and movement? Will he adjust? I think he can, but we won't know until we see it with our own eyes.
Thats BS right there. What fighters do in their PRIMES determines their legacy not what they do after. So what are Evander Holyfield's great wins at HW against Douglas, Tyson, Bowe, Foreman etc overshadowed by his losses to John Ruiz? Do we ignore or diminish Iran Barkley's wars with Hearns and Duran and look at him losing his last 6 fights and fighting at HW, losing to Trevor Berbick? Sure its great, and icing on the cake when fighters who were awesome in their prime come back past their prime to pull off big upsets, but that is not what defines them. We remember them when they were at their best in their primes.
You read my post incorrectly.
My point was, Mayweather is undefeated and #1 PFP in the world, but we can't say that he will finish ahead of Jones (or anither similar fighter) until we see how Mayweather's entire career plays out. I've said time and time again on this site that fighters of Mayweather's mold (great defense and speed) generally do not lose while they're at their physical peak. However, it will be interesting to see how Mayweather fares once he ages and is no longer in his absolute prime.
Fighters who rarely get hit in their primes often have toughness or ability to take a punch brought into question. People think that the reason a fighter fights defensively is because he's afraid to get hit. For example, Pernell Whitaker and Roy Jones were the two elite fighters of the 1990's. During their primes, both were unhittable. No one ever saw them get hit with big shots. Later in their careers, when they became hittable targets, Jones proved to have a very suspect chin, while Whitaker proved that he could take anyone's punch.
Right now Mayweather is proving that he is the best technician and the fastest fighter out there. As he gets older, he will prove how well he can adjust, how well he can take big punches, etc. And this will affect his all-time legacy. Will he be like Whitaker, or like Jones? Or will he end up being better than both of them, or worse than both of them? We don't know this yet, and we won't know it after May 5th either.
The post I was responding to was someone saying that Mayweather would end up being a better all-time fighter than Jones. I was saying that we do not know that, because Mayweather's career is far from over.
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when it's all said and done PBF will be remember as a better fighter than jones. i personly think that skill for skill a prime PBF beats a prime jones.
No way. Jones never got a gift decision in his career and never needed one. PBF already has gotten one. Jones was much more dominant than Floyd.
i think he got a hell of a gift decision against tarver int he first fight. tarver was robbed and roy just tried to steal the round by punching in the last 30 seconds of every round. roy's face told a much different story to the score cards. however it wasn't a prime roy in the ring and a prime roy jones jr would hammer tarver.
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I think alot of people on this forum should actually find some Duran vintage dvds have a nice weekend off and then post their comments !!
Duran was the best lightweight of all time !!!
From some of your comments i get the impression he was some imposing come forward maruder but he was anything but !!
Duran had the best timing with either hand and the best defence in his prime he was very hard to catch clean and when he stepped inside he could snap you in half with either hand !
Floyd Mayweather is a completly different fighter he doesnt go for timing like Duran did he is a fast fighter who can throw accurate bunches from the outside but he overwhelms with speed Duran overwhelmed with timing .
Duran would have enough to get to Mayweather , Mosely and Dela Hoya and i think he had the feet to get to Sweet Pea .
Mosely under pressure is not a great fighter he can lose it and i think De La Hoya did what Duran did just not on the same level .
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when it's all said and done PBF will be remember as a better fighter than jones. i personly think that skill for skill a prime PBF beats a prime jones.
No way. Jones never got a gift decision in his career and never needed one. PBF already has gotten one. Jones was much more dominant than Floyd.
i think he got a hell of a gift decision against tarver int he first fight.
tarver was robbed and roy just tried to steal the round by punching in the last 30 seconds of every round. roy's face told a much different story to the score cards. however it wasn't a prime roy in the ring and a prime roy jones jr would hammer tarver.
:o I think maybe you got the two mixed up ??? ::** It was Tarver who tried to steal rounds by flurrying the last 30 seconds.. I don't even know what fight you watched. Jones deserved exactly the decision he got, ppl just thought it was even closer than it was because that's the best anyone had done against RJ.
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Quite a discusssion here's my two cents. Its easy for Floyd to make stupid comments about SRL because he's too old now to make a comeback and see him about it. ;D. Next: Oscar and Shane were legitimate knockout artists at lightweight (that being Shane's optimal weight where he was dangerous with either hand) and strength and stylewise I think Shane in particular would have given Duran all he could handle. I call it a pick em fight but I think the fight would've been Mosley's to lose. I think Duran could have taken out PBF at lightweight (as long as he doesn't do a SRL impression which is not his style to do), and the fight with Oscar has a lot of variables with either one of them winning but my thought is Duran winning 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 5 etc....
Roy more physical prowess than Floyd, and better power. Besides that Floyd has better technique and a style that (should) prolong his career longer than Roys. I think Roy in his prime is a more entertaining fighter and p4p head to head in their primes, Roy beats Mayweather IMO (which is preposterous because there is almost no scenario where the two could meet).
By my count Roy won 8 or 9 rounds in Tarver I and everytime he decided to punch (and not rest on the ropes while Tarver got in his licks) Tarver had NOTHING for Roy. PBF struggled against Zab, I didn't see that...I saw him take longer to adjust to someone with comparable speed, but I don't think that in any way bothered him or troubled him. Castillo was the only fight where it seemed apparent that Floyd was having problems.
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Roy, from a physical standpoint, is probably as good and gifted an athlete this sport has ever seen. But as some have already mentioned he didn't have the strongest fundamentals and relied heavily on his incredible athleticism. Floyd is technically a better boxer but it would a huge stretch to say he is overall a better fighter than Roy. I personally will wait and see how Mayweather's career goes in the upcoming years before i simply call him an "all time great."
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some of u guys I'm sorry and apologize in advance but are retards ....
some say mayweather is a beater technician and Jones is pure atletisim ..... OK the shit Jones does is amazing boxing SKILL the shoulder roles counters its into pure atlthisim
some say mayweather will be considered greater?well IMO Jones is greater than hopkins and mayweather stands nowhere near in legacy especially if he retires after delahoya and if he doesn't he has to lose soon ever1 does unless they leave early
also Jones wouldn't struggle with fighters like Castillo he would play with them and when Jones came out his prime he got cought with a blind punch that changed his career now if u watch the jones tarver 3 u see 4 5and 6 round spurts of what would happen to Traver if he fought him in his prime i say we a start judging fighters by their primes not their and amean even robinson and Ali ended on a bad note
i LOVE mayweather (no homo) but he doesn't stand near Jones
one thing is say what u want jones just had way greater competition and its not he faoult he had noone to fight with a big name and a flashy style but all those guys were though and good better than baldomir gatti castillo and all thos other guys think bout it
he just mase them look like nobody
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some of u guys I'm sorry and apologize in advance but are retards ....
some say mayweather is a beater technician and Jones is pure atletisim ..... OK the S*** Jones does is amazing boxing SKILL the shoulder roles counters its into pure atlthisim
some say mayweather will be considered greater?
Your sentences are a little choppy here, so I'm sure exactly what you're saying.
But I think the argument people are making here is that Mayweather is a more classically trained boxer than Jones. Jones was a great fighter, but his style was more unorthodox and improvisational. He wasn't really based as much on the fundamentals. He hardly ever jabbed, he didn't block a ton of punches with his gloves. He didn't role with punches or use his shoulder to block punches. And he didn't need to, he was so athletically gifted that he could get away with things that other fighters can't.
Mayweather is also very talented, but he's also tremendously well-schooled. He is very "textbook" in many aspects of his fighting style.
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some of u guys I'm sorry and apologize in advance but are retards ....
some say mayweather is a beater technician and Jones is pure atletisim ..... OK the S*** Jones does is amazing boxing SKILL the shoulder roles counters its into pure atlthisim
some say mayweather will be considered greater?
Your sentences are a little choppy here, so I'm sure exactly what you're saying.
But I think the argument people are making here is that Mayweather is a more classically trained boxer than Jones. Jones was a great fighter, but his style was more unorthodox and improvisational. He wasn't really based as much on the fundamentals. He hardly ever jabbed, he didn't block a ton of punches with his gloves. He didn't role with punches or use his shoulder to block punches. And he didn't need to, he was so athletically gifted that he could get away with things that other fighters can't.
Mayweather is also very talented, but he's also tremendously well-schooled. He is very "textbook" in many aspects of his fighting style.
ight cc for the explantaion amean i guess thas true mayweather is more textbook but imo that doesnt mean hes a better boxer
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'He who dares to be great'
Mayweather has been a professional boxer for over a decade and in the last 10 years history will show a lot of big names from Lightweight to Middleweight, how many of them appear on Floyd's resume?
Zab Judah came close but Oscar De La Hoya will be the 1st truly big name opponent for Floyd so lets just see how that pans out ;D
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when it's all said and done PBF will be remember as a better fighter than jones. i personly think that skill for skill a prime PBF beats a prime jones.
No way. Jones never got a gift decision in his career and never needed one. PBF already has gotten one. Jones was much more dominant than Floyd.
i think he got a hell of a gift decision against tarver int he first fight.
tarver was robbed and roy just tried to steal the round by punching in the last 30 seconds of every round. roy's face told a much different story to the score cards. however it wasn't a prime roy in the ring and a prime roy jones jr would hammer tarver.
:o I think maybe you got the two mixed up ??? ::** It was Tarver who tried to steal rounds by flurrying the last 30 seconds.. I don't even know what fight you watched. Jones deserved exactly the decision he got, ppl just thought it was even closer than it was because that's the best anyone had done against RJ.
Mayorga hater, you are 100% correct man. Roy Jones clearly won the first fight, no doubt. People and haters just wanted Roy to lose so badly, that once someone finally did SOMETHING against Roy, they automatically said Roy lost, when in fact he did not. He outgutted Tarver, outpointed him, and won the damn fight.
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when it's all said and done PBF will be remember as a better fighter than jones. i personly think that skill for skill a prime PBF beats a prime jones.
No way. Jones never got a gift decision in his career and never needed one. PBF already has gotten one. Jones was much more dominant than Floyd.
i think he got a hell of a gift decision against tarver int he first fight.
tarver was robbed and roy just tried to steal the round by punching in the last 30 seconds of every round. roy's face told a much different story to the score cards. however it wasn't a prime roy in the ring and a prime roy jones jr would hammer tarver.
:o I think maybe you got the two mixed up ??? ::** It was Tarver who tried to steal rounds by flurrying the last 30 seconds.. I don't even know what fight you watched. Jones deserved exactly the decision he got, ppl just thought it was even closer than it was because that's the best anyone had done against RJ.
Mayorga hater, you are 100% correct man. Roy Jones clearly won the first fight, no doubt. People and haters just wanted Roy to lose so badly, that once someone finally did SOMETHING against Roy, they automatically said Roy lost, when in fact he did not. He outgutted Tarver, outpointed him, and won the damn fight.
u tell em hulk should put a couple exclamations on that sentence
