David Haye v Giancobbe Fragomeni European Title RBR - 10pm SS1

What a fight.
I have it 79-73 how you have the score like that I don't know.

What a knockout, fuck off who doubted him, he was the finished article there.

Round 9:

Haye works better, jabs and hooks, especially to the body. Left hook from Haye. Flurry from Fragomeni catches gloces. Haye does well with straight. Right hook from Haye causes massive trouble for Fragomeni. Hooks fly in, Fragomeni goes back and back, he's sitting on the ropes, right hook from Haye as Frag is on his arse on the bottom row.

It's stopped!

Haye showed alot of heart there cos you could tell he was fucked, i think them body shots were chopping the Italian down, credit to the Italian bloke great heat and came to fight.

Why the f*ck just give up !!!!

A 37 year old novice did that to Haye, what is Bell gonna do ?

Watt keeps saying it answered questions about Hayes stamina, too right its still sh*t, it wasnt a fast pace.

Im gutted, Fragomeni only had to hang around till the last and hed have pushed Haye over, >:mad

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Originally Posted by yoitsdan

What a fight.
I have it 79-73 how you have the score like that I don't know.

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I don't think Haye was doing enough, he was getting outworked, and his punches weren't causing too much damage. I'm not sure that Fragomeni's corner did the right thing in pulling him out, it was tighter than that IMO.
David Haye did answer questions about his stamina, and his power came through further on in the fight, even though he looked to be pawing a bit with the jab. Haye bruised under the right eye and cut on the left, no doubt he was in a tough contest today.

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Originally Posted by ross

Why the f*ck just give up !!!!

A 37 year old novice did that to Haye, what is Bell gonna do ?

Watt keeps saying it answered questions about Hayes stamina, too right its still sh*t, it wasnt a fast pace.

Im gutted, Fragomeni only had to hang around till the last and hed have pushed Haye over, >:mad

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Mate your very hard to please?? Just gave up? lmao, this guy was hard as nails he took everything that p4p puncher Haye had, man the Italian bloke was a game fighter who took a beating and some very heavy head and body shots.

??? the only round fragomeni had was when he got cut. The rest of it he was in control, under pressure yes, but he was landing shots. O' neil Bell, look out, Haye is the finished article, he grew up in the ring there, still only 26 (Cruisers/Heavies mature later) he was brilliant.

From what I'm reading. Bell would KTFO Haye if he got past the 3rd round.

I wish haye would shut up about how hard it is to make weight, hes not ripped or cut, like Golota or Wladamir is at heavy, he still has fat to lose, hes just lazy in his training as his stamina issues show

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Originally Posted by skel1983

Haye is fucked hes getting taken out here!!!

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Unfair. He was magic!

David Haye: "This guy has been nagging in the back of my head for years. Back in the day I would have panicked but I know exactly what I'm doing. He hit me with a few shots that I felt a little, but I was never bothered. It was the first time in my life that I've been cut, but I felt like I was in the Rocky movies, looking out of one eye.
"The further this goes then the harder it will be for me to get down to the weight, that's why I want to get the O'Neil Bell fight on as soon as possible"

Frank Maloney also believes a bout v Bell will be on early on in 2007.

Great heart from Haye! I thought he was done, especially after the cut... but that left hook to the body took everything out of Fragomeni.
Cracking fight!

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Originally Posted by Majesty

From what I'm reading. Bell would KTFO Haye if he got past the 3rd round.

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Yeah, you can really see the punches flying on saddoboxing forum. Fucking idiot.

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Originally Posted by Oggie

Great heart from Haye! I thought he was done, especially after the cut... but that left hook to the body took everything out of Fragomeni.
Cracking fight!

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Forget the Carl Thompson fight, it was a long time ago, welcome in the new era of the mature, robust(ish!) and well conditioned David Haye!

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Originally Posted by skel1983

Haye is fucked hes getting taken out here!!!

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Unfair. He was magic!

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Mate i dont think he was magic, he fought a hard man not a good boxer with any decent power, just a tough man, it was what he needed and a great test, O Neil Bell has skills mate, in that 6/7 th round Haye was getting stalked and looked like he was blowing, like i have said in other posts after this full credit to both fighters great entertaining fight, Haye did very well to finish him.

And Ross?? Haye is ripped to fuck have you been smoking something?? the guy is 6FT 3?? He has to boil down to make cruiserweight, he aint lazy its genetics mate.

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Great heart from Haye! I thought he was done, especially after the cut... but that left hook to the body took everything out of Fragomeni.
Cracking fight!

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Forget the Carl Thompson fight, it was a long time ago, welcome in the new era of the mature, robust(ish!) and well conditioned David Haye!

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How well do you think David Haye will do at Heavyweight? If he is struggling to drag the weight off of him as he says, will O'Neil Bell be his last at Cruiser? With the heavies being the traditional area of boxing to make money, and not too many up and comers out there, it might be the right time for him. However, I don't think that Haye showed he was the finished article at all. He was getting caught far too often, and was finding it hard to get past Fragomeni's tight guard. He did however look pretty composed throughout, even when he was being shoved back on the ropes time and again.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

From what I'm reading. Bell would KTFO Haye if he got past the 3rd round.

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Yeah, you can really see the punches flying on saddoboxing forum. Fucking idiot.

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So I'm an idiot for reading people's opinions of a fight and start a statement saying "From what I'm reading." And not making a blanket statement as if I'd seen the fight.

And then you call me a fucking idiot?

That doesn't make you look any better trying to back up anything you say being overly harsh with me for having an opinion different from yours ::**

There's better ways to solve that

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Originally Posted by skel1983

And Ross?? Haye is ripped to F*** have you been smoking something?? the guy is 6FT 3?? He has to boil down to make cruiserweight, he aint lazy its genetics mate.

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Just because his muscle shows through dont mean hes ripped

Ripped is the kind of definition a body builder has, not muscle mass but deffinition, Haye doesnt have that ripped look, of the recent big blokes Golota has good deffinition

you cant discount the Thompson fight because if Fragomeni was half the puncher Carl was then giacobbe would have stopped him

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Originally Posted by Majesty

From what I'm reading. Bell would KTFO Haye if he got past the 3rd round.

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Yeah, you can really see the punches flying on saddoboxing forum. Fucking idiot.

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So I'm an idiot for reading people's opinions of a fight and start a statement saying "From what I'm reading." And not making a blanket statement as if I'd seen the fight.

And then you call me a fucking idiot?

That doesn't make you look any better trying to back up anything you say being overly harsh with me for having an opinion different from yours ::**

There's better ways to solve that

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Yeah, its amazing how when you can know it all from being sat in front of your computer. How can you have an opinion after looking at some 12 font arial.

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Originally Posted by emma

have u guys got laptops or pc in the living room? :-\

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Living in my bachelor pad, it is a pimped up pc, where i can watch both the pc and the tv screen at the same time. And the leather couch and 32" plasma pretty much make this perfect for me. I got a laptop too if my eyes start to fade, and the distance to the TV becomes too much.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by yoitsdan

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Originally Posted by Majesty

From what I'm reading. Bell would KTFO Haye if he got past the 3rd round.

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Yeah, you can really see the punches flying on saddoboxing forum. Fucking idiot.

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So I'm an idiot for reading people's opinions of a fight and start a statement saying "From what I'm reading." And not making a blanket statement as if I'd seen the fight.

And then you call me a fucking idiot?

That doesn't make you look any better trying to back up anything you say being overly harsh with me for having an opinion different from yours ::**

There's better ways to solve that

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Yeah, its amazing how when you can know it all from being sat in front of your computer. How can you have an opinion after looking at some 12 font arial.

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Since when did I say I know it all?

Look kid, I'm not going to get into it with you because you feel I dissed a fighter you're a fan of.

But don't disrespect me and my opinion calling me a fucking idiot because I don't have the advantage of being in the UK to watch the fight on the TV.

All I have for this fight is THIS SITE. Especially for fights over there.

And from what I was reading how Haye performed and the issues with his stamina being brought up. I form an opinion that if thats the case, Bell would beat him if he survived the first three rounds.

There are many people who come to this site for rbr's so are you saying their opinion isn't valid from what they are reading when it's all they have?

Don't be so inconsiderate and act with the insults. You don't need that to try to prove a point.

Another thing about Hayes power, he said him and Kelvin Davis have been having wars in sparring, well former light middle guillermo Jones and Oneil Bell have both knocked him out

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have u guys got laptops or pc in the living room? :-\

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Living in my bachelor pad, it is a pimped up pc, where i can watch both the pc and the tv screen at the same time. And the leather couch and 32" plasma pretty much make this perfect for me. I got a laptop too if my eyes start to fade, and the distance to the TV becomes too much.

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Dude i think you should invite the Saddo regulars round for some sort of party, i'll organise the Strippers. ;D

Although Haye looked to be struggling at certain times during the fight, he showed that:

(A) - He has great heart. A lesser fighter would have wilted under the pressure of an opponent constantly coming forward with success and eventually badly cutting you too.
(B) - He has stamina. The fact that he could buckle an extremely durable fighter, with one punch in the 9th round of a fast paced fight says it all.
(C) - He is entertaining as fwock! The Americans love fighters like Haye. 8)

The only question is if he has got enough to rip the title away from O'Neill Bell? Looking forward to that one. ;)

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have u guys got laptops or pc in the living room? :-\

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Living in my bachelor pad, it is a pimped up pc, where i can watch both the pc and the tv screen at the same time. And the leather couch and 32" plasma pretty much make this perfect for me. I got a laptop too if my eyes start to fade, and the distance to the TV becomes too much.

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Dude i think you should invite the Saddo regulars round for some sort of party, i'll organise the Strippers. ;D

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What you really need to realise is I live way out on the Welsh coast....so 5 hours by car from London, but y'all are welcome out here for a lash up in the count-reeeeeeee! Strippers will be asking for mileage y'know, the nearest one to my place I know of is nearly 60 miles south :p

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Originally Posted by Oggie

Although Haye looked to be struggling at certain times during the fight, he showed that:

(A) - He has great heart. A lesser fighter would have wilted under the pressure of an opponent constantly coming forward with success and eventually badly cutting you too.
(B) - He has stamina. The fact that he could buckle an extremely durable fighter, with one punch in the 9th round of a fast paced fight says it all.
(C) - He is entertaining as fwock! The Americans love fighters like Haye. 8)

The only question is if he has got enough to rip the title away from O'Neill Bell? Looking forward to that one. ;)

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Damn right son, this was an entertaining fight with no doubt, though I do think he was on the wane coming into round 9, and he dragged it from the base of the fuel tank some massive punches to finish off Fragomeni. Being cut would have been a massive shock to Haye, so far into his career, and he did get over it well, and show some character to do it. As for the previous question posed, I think Haye was in pretty good shape, and does very well to get down to the weight with as much muscle as he does. When you look at the 6'5" Hobson, who fights at the same weight, Haye carries a bundle more power, and some big arms, where Hobson looks quite thin.

Haye should clean house, take on Enzo, theres someone with power to push Haye although his chin is just as good as hayes

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Originally Posted by ross

Haye should clean house, take on Enzo, theres someone with power to push Haye although his chin is just as good as hayes

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Enzo seems like the natural fight for the both of the,m, but it seems that, naturally, they are both eyeing up shots at O'Neil Bell, but either way it's good to have two good British Cruisers who are forces on a world stage.

Cool click mate ;)

just added this rd by rd to the countdown page... nice work 8)

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Originally Posted by ross

Haye should clean house, take on Enzo, theres someone with power to push Haye although his chin is just as good as hayes

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love to see that fight Haye would spark him early IMO.

dont expect Warren to put him in with Haye anytime soon... IF EVER ;)

hi folks

Just watched the fight!!

Wow!! Brutal and difficult for Haye but what a finish! He sure goes in for the kill doesnt he?!

The little Italian would always be awkward. Small and compact and constantly pushing forward.

Haye found the key and answered a lot of questions!!

Whoever said it wasnt a fast pace is insane. Try being stalked around the ring for every second of every round!

Tough fight!!

Tc

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Haye should clean house, take on Enzo, theres someone with power to push Haye although his chin is just as good as hayes

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love to see that fight Haye would spark him early IMO.

dont expect Warren to put him in with Haye anytime soon... IF EVER ;)

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I'll go with that prediction Saddo. If Mark Hobson can put him on his arse then Haye will knock his block off.

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Haye should clean house, take on Enzo, theres someone with power to push Haye although his chin is just as good as hayes

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love to see that fight Haye would spark him early IMO.

dont expect Warren to put him in with Haye anytime soon... IF EVER ;)

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I'll go with that prediction Saddo. If Mark Hobson can put him on his a*** then Haye will knock his block off.

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*And the Welshman chimed in.....*

Personally I think it would be a 50/50 fight, with both of them having overcome tought short fighters recently, but Enzo with more experience, and slightly better at exposing Haye's less than watertight guard. Either way, I'd bet my right testicle that it wouldn't go the distance.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

From what I'm reading. Bell would KTFO Haye if he got past the 3rd round.

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Yeah, you can really see the punches flying on saddoboxing forum. Fucking idiot.

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So I'm an idiot for reading people's opinions of a fight and start a statement saying "From what I'm reading." And not making a blanket statement as if I'd seen the fight.

And then you call me a fucking idiot?

That doesn't make you look any better trying to back up anything you say being overly harsh with me for having an opinion different from yours ::**

There's better ways to solve that

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Yeah, its amazing how when you can know it all from being sat in front of your computer. How can you have an opinion after looking at some 12 font arial.

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Since when did I say I know it all?

Look kid, I'm not going to get into it with you because you feel I dissed a fighter you're a fan of.

But don't disrespect me and my opinion calling me a fucking idiot because I don't have the advantage of being in the UK to watch the fight on the TV.

All I have for this fight is THIS SITE. Especially for fights over there.

And from what I was reading how Haye performed and the issues with his stamina being brought up. I form an opinion that if thats the case, Bell would beat him if he survived the first three rounds.

There are many people who come to this site for rbr's so are you saying their opinion isn't valid from what they are reading when it's all they have?

Don't be so inconsiderate and act with the insults. You don't need that to try to prove a point.

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With all due respect to everyone on this site, yes that is what i'm trying to say. How can someone possibly pass judgement on a fight they can't even see themselves. Ok, fair enough, the screen isn't in front of their eyes, but your majesty, your not helping matters when people are trying to actually get a clue whats happening when you say, "By the sounds of it Haye would get KO'd in 3 rounds by O'neil Bell" what the hell is that. It's like looking at a woman wearing a baraclava and saying "Wow she has a pretty face"

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Originally Posted by Majesty

From what I'm reading. Bell would KTFO Haye if he got past the 3rd round.

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Yeah, you can really see the punches flying on saddoboxing forum. Fucking idiot.

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So I'm an idiot for reading people's opinions of a fight and start a statement saying "From what I'm reading." And not making a blanket statement as if I'd seen the fight.

And then you call me a fucking idiot?

That doesn't make you look any better trying to back up anything you say being overly harsh with me for having an opinion different from yours ::**

There's better ways to solve that

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Yeah, its amazing how when you can know it all from being sat in front of your computer. How can you have an opinion after looking at some 12 font arial.

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Since when did I say I know it all?

Look kid, I'm not going to get into it with you because you feel I dissed a fighter you're a fan of.

But don't disrespect me and my opinion calling me a fucking idiot because I don't have the advantage of being in the UK to watch the fight on the TV.

All I have for this fight is THIS SITE. Especially for fights over there.

And from what I was reading how Haye performed and the issues with his stamina being brought up. I form an opinion that if thats the case, Bell would beat him if he survived the first three rounds.

There are many people who come to this site for rbr's so are you saying their opinion isn't valid from what they are reading when it's all they have?

Don't be so inconsiderate and act with the insults. You don't need that to try to prove a point.

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With all due respect to everyone on this site, yes that is what i'm trying to say. How can someone possibly pass judgement on a fight they can't even see themselves. Ok, fair enough, the screen isn't in front of their eyes, but your majesty, your not helping matters when people are trying to actually get a clue whats happening when you say, "By the sounds of it Haye would get KO'd in 3 rounds by O'neil Bell" what the hell is that. It's like looking at a woman wearing a baraclava and saying "Wow she has a pretty face"

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I didn't say he'd get "KO'd in three" I said that "From what i've read, Bell could ktfo Haye IF HE GOT PAST THE THIRD ROUND" That had to do with the stamina issues I was reading about.

And when I saw Haye on ESPN he shot his load too quickly and got tired.

Thats why at the beginning of this I asked if he had gotten any better because the last time I'd seen him on ESPN he was in trouble


And then when I heard he was already tired I asked "He didnt change then?"

And then I kept reading and from what I read of the fight, Haye has stamina issues past the third, and doesn't seem to have an all together good chin.

So from what I read, I said that "From what I've read, Bell would ktfo Haye if he got past the third round."

I didnt say "Bell would knock out Haye in 3"

I acknowledged that I hadn't seen the fight and was basing my opinion off of what I read.

Do you get what I am saying?

Ok I get it. I think you get me too bro. I've been on the sauce, i've had a tough week and i'm too highly strung, i'm sorry for being overly snappy.

The shot to the stomach was the sickener, he stepped to one side as if it winded him, the it was game over.

Fragomeni's corner never pulled him! He stood looking at them for help and wouldn't raise his gloves to the ref during the count - thats when they stood on the apron. Right thing to do - they knew.

Was pleased to see Haye finish the fight after the cut when he could have gone into a shell and danced away from the fight.

Good fight all in all, Fragomeni has an iron neck.

Great fight, really entertaining.

Haye proved he's got heart but imo he shouldn't have struggled like he did against what was a tough, game but unspectacular opponent.

I like Haye, he's exciting to watch but fighting O'Neill Bell is career suicide.

If/When it happens you can watch the fight right now.

Just put on O'Neil Bell vs Jean Marc Mormeck and watch it replacing in your mind Mormeck's head with Hayes.

There you go, you got to see Haye vs Bell before it's even been announced, let alone actually happened :P

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Ok I get it. I think you get me too bro. I've been on the sauce, i've had a tough week and i'm too highly strung, i'm sorry for being overly snappy.

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It's fine