Re: Holyfield now ranked 16th by WBC!!
Had Tyson remained clean, he could have been the best boxer of all time. whew, remember who did the fastest knock out in history???? As far as I can remember.... it's Tyson,.....
Re: Holyfield now ranked 16th by WBC!!
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Originally Posted by rrbong
Had Tyson remained clean, he could have been the best boxer of all time. whew, remember who did the fastest knock out in history???? As far as I can remember.... it's Tyson,.....
i think david tua ko double m in like 19 sec ...and tysons fastest was either marvis frazier 30 sec or i think lou saverese was quicker.....fuk i cant remember ??? .......but yeah prime tyson baby! ;D
Re: Holyfield now ranked 16th by WBC!!
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Originally Posted by stavros693000
im sick of hearing about holyfeild,he was NEVER great at HW!  I know he was the greatest cruiser weight of all time , theres not a doubt in my mind but at heavy weight he got man handled by the big boys:bowe,lewis.... evanders only claim to fame was he beat a shot mike tyson.
holyfield wasnt in his prime either i think u forget and even when holyfield wasnt at his peak he still give lewis two tough fights and lewis is arguably the best hw in the last 15 years foreman was still good then he had alot of power and ect larry holmes just outslicked ray mercer and was still decent holyfield also had one of greatest hw trilogys in history and giving bowe and run for his money in all 3 fights and he didnt get man handled by lewis in 2nd fight that was actually close fight plus 2nd fight with bowe holyfield got far from man handled plus in 1st bowe fight holyfield was actually holding his own against much bigger man he just started to feel bowes strength round about 8 or 9 then bowe took over and in 3rd bowe fight holyfield was doing well plus he knocked bowe down its just he was suffering with something then and he got tired too quick thats why he couldnt finish off bowe in the 6th round
now can we say the same about tyson ??
Re: Holyfield now ranked 16th by WBC!!
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Originally Posted by rrbong
Had Tyson remained clean, he could have been the best boxer of all time. whew, remember who did the fastest knock out in history???? As far as I can remember.... it's Tyson,.....
Agreed.
Re: Holyfield now ranked 16th by WBC!!
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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
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Originally Posted by rrbong
Had Tyson remained clean, he could have been the best boxer of all time. whew, remember who did the fastest knock out in history???? As far as I can remember.... it's Tyson,.....
Agreed.
fastest knockout in history was 11 seconds i think when some guy was still putting his mouthpiece in this was years and years ago
Re: Holyfield now ranked 16th by WBC!!
Butterbean KO'd someone faster than Tyson......does that bring you suckers back to earth?
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Butterbean KO'd someone faster than Tyson......does that bring you suckers back to earth?
Butterbean is shat and got beat by a 52 year old Holmes.
Tyson KO'd a 38 year old Holmes before he beat Mercer and fought Holyfield.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Butterbean KO'd someone faster than Tyson......does that bring you suckers back to earth?
I think this is the fastest KO in pro boxing is this one on Youtube.
It doesnt start untill one minite in but the karate guy is funny too!
another one comes to mind
Jimmy Thunder a Samoan guy KO'd Crawford Grmsley 97-03-18
Official time 0:13 ofthe first round so punch had to be at 3 seconds in.
see if youthink this on is sooner tho..[youtube=425,350]9s4T5IoE7EY[/youtube]
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Originally Posted by landmine950
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sorry boyz, but ive never thought of evander as a great hw! i will always admit he was best cruiser ever by far but all i was saying was he was not a dominant force at hw...and no matter what anyone says, tyson acomplished more in his short prime than holyfeild did...people say tyson preformed poorly against tucker and smith?why? cause he couldnt ko them, everyone expected him to ko everyone! but no one ever says sh!t about holyfeild getting his a$$ handed to him by foreman and holmes with a combined age of 85...primed tyson would have koed both there asses
Holyfield was picked because he was supposed to be shot and an easy night for Tyson....Did you forget how Tyson avoided Evander pryor to jail?...Come to think of it Tyson avoided alot of fighters like Foreman, Mercer, Morrison which would have been HUGE paydays...Instead Tyson fought bums and made C fighters look very good, Razor Ruddock was/is and always will be terrible...now Buster Douglas did not beat Mike with one lucky punch he kicked the crap out of Mike, even if Tyson did not train one minute for that Fight a "c" level fighter like Douglas should have never have schooled Tyson the way he did...Mike Tyson was an exciting fighter with great potential, Mike was very carefully handled and later exposed...his feat of being the youngest is a great accomplishment and that is the extent of Mike Tysons legacy...
Ok Lets me and you get this straight......
Mike Tyson at his best was the best and most dominant and devastating heavywieght of all time and maybe the most dominant and feared boxer of all time (click of me sucking up) :kissing:
But....over all.......holyfield did more against more.. dont forget the 3 fights against bowe and ruiz and twice againts tyson (i know i know your going to say NOT AT HIS BEST) and 2 against lewis . For a blown up Light heavy , not even a cruiserwieght! (he started his pro career at 176,177 !!) to fight against these guys is an amazing testament to his mental strength conditioning work ethic toughness etc etc. I hope he finds a softy to get a 5th title. he deserves it. maybe not for his last 2 performances but for the
50 before them!!
ill give u bowe but not ruiz and yes holy had a tone of hart but he struggled at hw..i know he was a natural cruiser and ive sais it many times he was the best at that weight and at heavy was inspiring since he was a cruiser weight..but its true in his prime he struggled against mediocre competion(bowe was not mediocre but a coward none the less , by fighting a cruiser weight instead of lewis) he struggled against foreman,holmes,stewart,cooper all in his prime........but i see what ur saying and im not suking up tysons a$$ but when he fought holy he only had done 8 rounds in the ring in 5 years ,he was not ready for such a damanding match that holyfeild gave him
....if holyfeild struggled at HW i wonder how marciano would have fared against bowe or lewis ;D
Re: Holyfield now ranked 16th by WBC!!
the thing about that Karate guy , lots people don't relize, is how bad thats hurts not to break thru !
I bet he fucked up his hand pretty good, poor chap !
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Originally Posted by stavros693000
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Originally Posted by landmine950
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Originally Posted by stavros693000
sorry boyz, but ive never thought of evander as a great hw! i will always admit he was best cruiser ever by far but all i was saying was he was not a dominant force at hw...and no matter what anyone says, tyson acomplished more in his short prime than holyfeild did...people say tyson preformed poorly against tucker and smith?why? cause he couldnt ko them, everyone expected him to ko everyone! but no one ever says sh!t about holyfeild getting his a$$ handed to him by foreman and holmes with a combined age of 85...primed tyson would have koed both there asses
Holyfield was picked because he was supposed to be shot and an easy night for Tyson....Did you forget how Tyson avoided Evander pryor to jail?...Come to think of it Tyson avoided alot of fighters like Foreman, Mercer, Morrison which would have been HUGE paydays...Instead Tyson fought bums and made C fighters look very good, Razor Ruddock was/is and always will be terrible...now Buster Douglas did not beat Mike with one lucky punch he kicked the crap out of Mike, even if Tyson did not train one minute for that Fight a "c" level fighter like Douglas should have never have schooled Tyson the way he did...Mike Tyson was an exciting fighter with great potential, Mike was very carefully handled and later exposed...his feat of being the youngest is a great accomplishment and that is the extent of Mike Tysons legacy...
Ok Lets me and you get this straight......
Mike Tyson at his best was the best and most dominant and devastating heavywieght of all time and maybe the most dominant and feared boxer of all time (click of me sucking up) :kissing:
But....over all.......holyfield did more against more.. dont forget the 3 fights against bowe and ruiz and twice againts tyson (i know i know your going to say NOT AT HIS BEST) and 2 against lewis . For a blown up Light heavy , not even a cruiserwieght! (he started his pro career at 176,177 !!) to fight against these guys is an amazing testament to his mental strength conditioning work ethic toughness etc etc. I hope he finds a softy to get a 5th title. he deserves it. maybe not for his last 2 performances but for the
50 before them!!
ill give u bowe but not ruiz and yes holy had a tone of hart but he struggled at hw..i know he was a natural cruiser and ive sais it many times he was the best at that weight and at heavy was inspiring since he was a cruiser weight..but its true in his prime he struggled against mediocre competion(bowe was not mediocre but a coward none the less , by fighting a cruiser weight instead of lewis) he struggled against foreman,holmes,stewart,cooper all in his prime........but i see what ur saying and im not suking up tysons a$$ but when he fought holy he only had done 8 rounds in the ring in 5 years ,he was not ready for such a damanding match that holyfeild gave him
....if holyfeild struggled at HW i wonder how marciano would have fared against bowe or lewis ;D
Marciano hit a lot harder than Holyfield.
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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
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Originally Posted by The Promoter
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Originally Posted by stavros693000
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Originally Posted by landmine950
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Originally Posted by stavros693000
sorry boyz, but ive never thought of evander as a great hw! i will always admit he was best cruiser ever by far but all i was saying was he was not a dominant force at hw...and no matter what anyone says, tyson acomplished more in his short prime than holyfeild did...people say tyson preformed poorly against tucker and smith?why? cause he couldnt ko them, everyone expected him to ko everyone! but no one ever says sh!t about holyfeild getting his a$$ handed to him by foreman and holmes with a combined age of 85...primed tyson would have koed both there asses
Holyfield was picked because he was supposed to be shot and an easy night for Tyson....Did you forget how Tyson avoided Evander pryor to jail?...Come to think of it Tyson avoided alot of fighters like Foreman, Mercer, Morrison which would have been HUGE paydays...Instead Tyson fought bums and made C fighters look very good, Razor Ruddock was/is and always will be terrible...now Buster Douglas did not beat Mike with one lucky punch he kicked the crap out of Mike, even if Tyson did not train one minute for that Fight a "c" level fighter like Douglas should have never have schooled Tyson the way he did...Mike Tyson was an exciting fighter with great potential, Mike was very carefully handled and later exposed...his feat of being the youngest is a great accomplishment and that is the extent of Mike Tysons legacy...
Ok Lets me and you get this straight......
Mike Tyson at his best was the best and most dominant and devastating heavywieght of all time and maybe the most dominant and feared boxer of all time (click of me sucking up) :kissing:
But....over all.......holyfield did more against more.. dont forget the 3 fights against bowe and ruiz and twice againts tyson (i know i know your going to say NOT AT HIS BEST) and 2 against lewis . For a blown up Light heavy , not even a cruiserwieght! (he started his pro career at 176,177 !!) to fight against these guys is an amazing testament to his mental strength conditioning work ethic toughness etc etc. I hope he finds a softy to get a 5th title. he deserves it. maybe not for his last 2 performances but for the
50 before them!!
ill give u bowe but not ruiz and yes holy had a tone of hart but he struggled at hw..i know he was a natural cruiser and ive sais it many times he was the best at that weight and at heavy was inspiring since he was a cruiser weight..but its true in his prime he struggled against mediocre competion(bowe was not mediocre but a coward none the less , by fighting a cruiser weight instead of lewis) he struggled against foreman,holmes,stewart,cooper all in his prime........but i see what ur saying and im not suking up tysons a$$ but when he fought holy he only had done 8 rounds in the ring in 5 years ,he was not ready for such a damanding match that holyfeild gave him
....if holyfeild struggled at HW i wonder how marciano would have fared against bowe or lewis ;D
Marciano hit a lot harder than Holyfield.
really,maybe he did ,but marcianos peak weight was about 186lb thats way to small to compete with the modern day hw like bowe ,lewis or tyson
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Originally Posted by stavros693000
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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
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Originally Posted by The Promoter
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Originally Posted by stavros693000
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Originally Posted by landmine950
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Originally Posted by stavros693000
sorry boyz, but ive never thought of evander as a great hw! i will always admit he was best cruiser ever by far but all i was saying was he was not a dominant force at hw...and no matter what anyone says, tyson acomplished more in his short prime than holyfeild did...people say tyson preformed poorly against tucker and smith?why? cause he couldnt ko them, everyone expected him to ko everyone! but no one ever says sh!t about holyfeild getting his a$$ handed to him by foreman and holmes with a combined age of 85...primed tyson would have koed both there asses
Holyfield was picked because he was supposed to be shot and an easy night for Tyson....Did you forget how Tyson avoided Evander pryor to jail?...Come to think of it Tyson avoided alot of fighters like Foreman, Mercer, Morrison which would have been HUGE paydays...Instead Tyson fought bums and made C fighters look very good, Razor Ruddock was/is and always will be terrible...now Buster Douglas did not beat Mike with one lucky punch he kicked the crap out of Mike, even if Tyson did not train one minute for that Fight a "c" level fighter like Douglas should have never have schooled Tyson the way he did...Mike Tyson was an exciting fighter with great potential, Mike was very carefully handled and later exposed...his feat of being the youngest is a great accomplishment and that is the extent of Mike Tysons legacy...
Ok Lets me and you get this straight......
Mike Tyson at his best was the best and most dominant and devastating heavywieght of all time and maybe the most dominant and feared boxer of all time (click of me sucking up) :kissing:
But....over all.......holyfield did more against more.. dont forget the 3 fights against bowe and ruiz and twice againts tyson (i know i know your going to say NOT AT HIS BEST) and 2 against lewis . For a blown up Light heavy , not even a cruiserwieght! (he started his pro career at 176,177 !!) to fight against these guys is an amazing testament to his mental strength conditioning work ethic toughness etc etc. I hope he finds a softy to get a 5th title. he deserves it. maybe not for his last 2 performances but for the
50 before them!!
ill give u bowe but not ruiz and yes holy had a tone of hart but he struggled at hw..i know he was a natural cruiser and ive sais it many times he was the best at that weight and at heavy was inspiring since he was a cruiser weight..but its true in his prime he struggled against mediocre competion(bowe was not mediocre but a coward none the less , by fighting a cruiser weight instead of lewis) he struggled against foreman,holmes,stewart,cooper all in his prime........but i see what ur saying and im not suking up tysons a$$ but when he fought holy he only had done 8 rounds in the ring in 5 years ,he was not ready for such a damanding match that holyfeild gave him
....if holyfeild struggled at HW i wonder how marciano would have fared against bowe or lewis ;D
Marciano hit a lot harder than Holyfield.
really,maybe he did ,but marcianos peak weight was about 186lb thats way to small to compete with the modern day hw like bowe ,lewis or tyson
marciano hit harder than louis and i really don't believe that other than tyson these more modern fighters hit harder than those back in the golden days.
