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Originally Posted by the_answer
theres a post in the "lets get it" on forum that may intrest you ;)
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Originally Posted by the_answer
theres a post in the "lets get it" on forum that may intrest you ;)
Many people cast this guy as the bad guy,
unfairly as is the case with many villains of boxing.
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"Barrera is a Fagg*t."-Morales
That black english grandma who ruined that one fight by hitting the guy with her purse. Way to ruin a perfectly good fight. What a c*unt.
Also the chick from Million Dollar Baby. You know the one.
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Originally Posted by a harmful of swallows
Boxing Mom
Guildhall, Southampton, Hampshire, England
In 1989, Steve McCarthy was hammering Tony Wilson in a boxing match when Wilson's mother climbed into the ring, came up behind McCarthy and started clubbing him on the head with one of her shoes.
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I'm gonna say:
Both Hagler & Hearns
Max Schmeling
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Originally Posted by the_answer
Terrible Terry Norris
vinny pazienza
mike tyson
Greatest Boxing fictional Villian
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
Or was it Clubber Lang
Cutmemick you should hear this guy talk these day's, it sounds like he had a bottle of Jack Daniels all to himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
No one has remarked on my #1 villain JACK JOHNSON....he was more hated as champion than ANYONE in the history of the sport and he acted the part too.
I did not remark on it but I did give you a CC because I agree. He was hated because of race though, while these others are hated because they are arrogant assholes who think the world owe's them something, maybe Jack had that in him but it was overshadowed by the fact that he was black living in one of the most racist countries in the history of the world (at the time) (behind Nazi Germany)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I doubt the US was one of the MOST racist let us not forget South Africa and all of Europe (the US is still light years ahead of them)....Sri Lanka, and other countries also had and have race issues to this day
But yes it was due to race but also Jack Johnson talked shit, he had a white mistress, he had gold teeth, spent hella money, had no mind for paying attention to how he "should" act, but looked out for #1 made fools of those that fought him and began the era of arrogant fighters though it came well after a Johnson Hangover in the 1920's-1950's
Max Schmelling was another political bad guy...he was in real life a nice dude but he represented NAZI white supremacy and greater power than the US.
Lennox Lewis was far from loved after he beat Frank Bruno
Why do you make such statements?? Not to say your wrong, but either way you obviously have no idea... The Us is light years ahead of all of europe? Id like to see you elaborate on that one..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I wouldnt ;D
Lewis is a good shout, winners dont go down too well in these parts.
Zab Judah
For being a dirty fighter. Who can forget the low blow he gave to Mayweather followed by the intentional rabbit punch. But the one alot of people forget about is the low blow he gave to Carlos Baldomir before the fight even started. And lets not forget the glove fist he put at Jay Nady's throat after being TKO'ed by KT. Man I could go on and on. He also has been known to fight more outside the ring then in.
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We don't prohibit muslims from wearing birqas...France just got their first black lead news reporter just a while ago....we didn't destroy millions of jews and gypsies.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Need any more???
I'm not trying to be controversial but other countries have had and STILL have race issues. The US had their issues especially in the 1900's up to the 1960's and it still lingers around today but we weren't the ONLY country to have such issues
Lyle making blanket statements like that is silly! Have you been to all of europe??? I don't think he was refering to todays usa but that of the 1940's which was extremely racist, definitely less racist than germany, but I don't think it was any better than the rest of europe. There were sterilisatzion laws here, which is where hitler got the idea from. Comming up with 2 examples from france don't mean crap, also ever thought that the french black population is smaller than the usa's.
Maybe because US "shipped" more "slaves" in back in the day? Hmm......Quote:
Originally Posted by armin
This isn't looking good. Someone's gonna lose their cool. ;)
Ha ha - Lyle, you are a funny guy!
You post blanket statements like that all the time, and I can never quite work out if you have your tongue firmly planted in your cheek or not.
The US is trying it's best, but I wouldn't say it's light years in front of anyone else. That's quite a dangerous statement when you think about history in America (Slavery, cheating and genociding Indians, segregation and apartheid, sports colour bars, Vietnam conscription, ghettos, Watts etc etc. Europe and the rest of the world have their own dirty and sordid pasts as well, but it does you no credit imagining America is somehow better. Routinely referring to Arabs as towelheads, camel jockeys and sand niggers (as I have heard many many of your countrymen do on this forum alone) does give people a certain impression of you guys! Why don't you put all of your domestic crazies in Guantanamo, or is that for goddamn A-rabs only? ;D
I lived in Chicago and Detroit when I was younger, and still travel across the pond regularly on business - I'm afraid that you live in a much more racist and divided society that we do on the UK, anyway. Mixed relationships are generally still frowned upon in most of the US, you don't see many kids mixing with other ethnicities, you have 'areas' where people of certain ethnicity live. If you go to a mall and go to a food hall, look at the kids hanging around - blacks sit with blacks, hispanics with hispanics, asians with asions, whites with whites etc.
Yes, there are going to be exceptions, but they stand out by their very rarity. Yes, big cities may be more tolerant, but most of the US is still rural middle-America.
Sorry, mate, but that's just the way I see it.
Big cities aren't more tolerant...it's the small cities and towns that are...why? Everyone knows everyone
The North is just as racist as the South...no there aren't lynchings but there are riots and murders just the same.
I find it odd that we constantly get lectured about slavery when EUROPE started us out on it.
Concentration Camps.....invented by England, perfected by Germany
The Indians fucked themselves yeah they got cheated out of land but there were many little wars no one talks about where they killed settlers and then the indians got dealt with....it was perhaps a good thought but a dumb idea to attack settlers who had guns when all you have are arrows and spears and shit....still they got it better in America than they did in Mexico and South America.
Oh I'm sure mixed relationships are ALWAYS accepted with open arms in Europe.....and yeah Camel Jockeys but you call them Pakki's and I do believe those riots in France a year or two ago were due to the Arabs not liking how they were treated.
You judge my blanket statement and make one of your own...so you are no better than me
damn! wish i was good at photoshop, cut zab out and move hi right behidne floyd...Quote:
Originally Posted by Swice
I'm not trying to be any better than you, I was only taking issue with something you said earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Doesn't make Europe or the UK perfect ...... I was only challenging you on your assertion that the US was 'light years ahead'.
They mainly sit with people of the same race because thats who their friends are. I don't care if a white man dates a black woman or a black man dates a white woman, as long as i don't have to see two dudes kissing on either mtv or the news.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Yeah, but that's exactly my point Punisher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
Everyone's alittle racist in certain ways unless you're not human. Hating someone for the color they were born with or where they were born is wrong. Affirmative action is wrong too. No one should get an advantage or disadvantage because of what race they are. As for gay people talking about their rights being violated, please say that to a 60 yr old black man who's lived in america his whole life. He'll say you have it better than you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Back on topic. I really don't think tyson was a villian until after prison and the whole ear-bitting thing. Liston definitely was. Everyone wanted ali to be suspended for dodging the draft and after 3 years they were all sick of themselves for letting it happen, i wouldn't call that a villian. Don king is for sure an out of the ring villian eventhough he promoted the greatest fight in boxing history ali-frazier III.
Assuming you are including Britain in there I have one thing to say:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
You're an idiot.
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Originally Posted by X
Great points X, I am proud of you, I agree with everything you said. I wish the British and the rest of Europe can alway's think like this, but it seems that you guy's only want to think like this when you feel like it. I am not British or American I am Brazilian (hence the name) but as someone that can give a non bias opinion on a racist society I can tell you that the US still has alot of racism but I can't tell you about the UK because I have never been there. It seems like the people of Europe despise the US for so many reasons but the main thing they like to say is that Americans feel as though they are better than everybody and that they want to rule the world and they look down on everybody else. And then you turn around and write a great essay stating how divided the US actually is. Which one do you actually believe, is it that we are so divided or is it that we stick together and look down on everybody else, I really can't figure out the European opinion on the United States, it seems conflicting in many way's. But the streets are not paved with gold over here, 80% of the population in the United States does not even have a political opinion on Europe yet alone thinking they are better than Europe. Less than 10% of the population actually run the country and they are all rich aryans that are very similiar to the rich aryans that run the UK and other European countries. They all look down on other races, the darker the skin gets the worse the treatment. When it comes to racism I am sure that the UK is very similiar too the US, but the resume the US has far more atrocities over the centuries than the Europe. Slavery in itself was a holocaust, just a longer one.
10-1 odds that saddo moves this to let's get it on.
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
Britain and the US follow about the same schedule of events in regards to racism....I meant the rest of Europe when I said America is light years ahead of them...and I stand by it.
but enough about this, Jack Johnson was the biggest and best boxing villain of all time because he played on the fears and hate of the people at the time
hee hee - so does that mean you were only partly wrong, or completely wrong as your logic does not now stand up at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
You being such a world traveller and expert on every single one of the other European countries' different culture, history and opinions? Do you think America is light years ahead of San Marino or Luxembourg or Switzerland? I don't think so!
You are funny man, and I still think you do it to wind people up.
PS - thanks for the kind comments brazilianbomber :-[
Well I highly doubt Luxembourg or Switzerland have to deal with many different races.
I do find it humorous that in the 1950's England set up a secret civil service committee that monitored non-white immigration....when the US used a ratio system in the 1920's and 1930's.
I don't know if 20-30 years counts as "light years" but it's interesting to think about. But then again we have ALL had race issues ....just don't be coy about it.
I didn't do it to wind people up, I just hope people realize the context of the situation...the 1900's and 1910's were a time of bigotry and racial violence .....everywhere that had more than one race. So I'll just leave it at that.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....to an extent.
Racism I think is a natural thing ....not good, but just natural......people like what validates them therefore they like what makes them right which is sad but it's true.
But back on the topic....Jack Johnson, best villain
Oh my... now I know why this went to "Lets get it on" thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
This paragraph is just plain pathetic.
OK maybe that came across a bit strong but here's why those things happened in America, the leaders of the colonists would make deals with the indians then the leaders would go back to England and new leaders wouldn't honor the old deals and really piss off the natives by encroaching on their land and disrespecting and even killing indians with little or no reason and the natives would attack as they did in such wars as "The Tuscarora War" (which is one of the wars no one ever talks about but those things happened) and the colonies would get their militias and crush the indians and that went on forever.
In Mexico and South America the Conquistadors just killed all the natives with weapons or disease.
The Indians didn't have the man power or technology to beat the settlers....or the immune systems. I doubt they thought of those things before attacking the settlers but those things kept them from winning. And for a people who do not believe in ownership of land they were set up for disaster.
My opinion can come arcoss as harsh and obviously that one did but all I can say is sorry and try to explain why I posted it. I didn't mean to degrade the Indian culture or anything they had technology that was useful to them and were a strong society but their society was almost set up for Europeans to take over due to the immune systems, not believing in ownership of land, weapons meant more for hunting than fighting, and so on.
Sorry if it offened anyone but that is my take on what happened
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Stop Lyle just stop it.
Fine....I'm sorry I was just trying to explain that is all.
With my last post I don't see what is so offensive
See - I told you he just did it to wind people up. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
It was apparently the fault of the English that the Indians had all their land nicked, their people enslaved, shunted off to crappy reservations, denied any rights, eugenically cleansed etc. Thus speaks the Gospel according to Lyle.
Don't you love the clear strong voice of authority....... "Here's why these things happened in America".
I know you don't mean to sound obnoxious or offend people, Lyle ...... but I can see why some people do get wound up by you. Not me of course, I am too busy clearing Ipswich of prostitutes.
Well that's what happened....I'm not blaming just the British it was just poor judgement and constantly changing leadership and disrespect of the indian people and the deals made with them.
I'm glad you can at least not be offended by this X.....I'm not trying to wind anyone up....I'm just trying to explain what I posted....I don't want to commit hate crimes or anything.
the following is in frustration and is sarcastic and not to be taken literally
People act like I personally killed all the indians....yeah, my bad people....I had the flu and in a haze I randomly shot and killed all of them....and then sneezed on the survivors. That was me....me personally....I hopped in my time machine and did all that.
CC X....more posters should be like you