Tyson vs. Foreman

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Originally Posted by Lyle

George Foreman beat all-time great PRIME fighters...Tyson didn't beat ONE all-time great PRIME fighter....he beat a great light heavyweight and a faded all-time great but other than that NOTHING....and he got beat by a F****** bum! 3.....3 bums!!!! Douglas, Williams, McBride....I mean that is SAD....George could STILL beat those guys!!!!

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have u even looked into why douglas beat tyson?, theres more to it!..and how dare u count mcbride and williams,they should be strickend from the record..and we are talking prime and tysons prime was thye kevin rooney years,not when he lost to douglas due to drinking,lack of training and incompetent trainers...and why does all tyson haters dismiss the spinks anillation? he fought and beat holmes and conney and at the time every one expected him to give tyson trouble and to test him...and he blew him out in 91 sec.....and holmes,holmes was great and he got the worst beating of his life,so why dont u count that win either? i mean holy supporters count that win and holmes was even older and gave holyfeild heaps of trouble...why cant u addmit that tyson was great for those 2 glorious years bettween 86-88 when he trained hard and took the game seriously under rooneys expert guidence

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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George Foreman -vs- George Chuvalo 1970


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FOREMAN actually looks quite light on his feet here im quite suprised

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He still has no defense, and a jab that Tyson would easily slip to get in... Foreman was pretty lean back in the day, and I can't see him handling Tyson's powerful body shots very long.

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Foreman handling the body shots of Tyson? Again lets look at history. Foreman had only one knock out loss in his 5 defeats in 87 fights ( a TKO actually - the opinion was that he gassed out because of Ali's rope-a-dope tactic)). While Tyson was knocked out 5 times out of his six losses in 50 fights. If Tyson were to land body shots, it may affect Foreman but one bomb from Foreman will surely send Mike to the moon. Again, Foreman had a slightly higher knockout percentage than Tyson. Foremans opposition? Please google him and find out (Ali, Norton, Frazier, Holyfield, Moorer, Lyle among others).

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You can't compare stats... Tyson fought way better opponents overall... Only HOlyfield, Douglas, and Lewis were legimate Tyson getting beaten up, and none of those times he used head movement or any of his great defense. Anyways lets look at Foreman's opposition... Moorer:you think he would stand a chance against prime Tyson? He would be out in the first round. Lyle wasn't a good fighter, and still almost knocked out no-defense Foreman. Frazier was simply too small for Foreman. Holyfield totally dominated him, though Foreman did good in the this fight I'll admit... Norton: How many punches do you need to throw to ko an opponent? Shavers took him out way easier, and so would have Tyson. Ali: Foreman was stupid in this fight, and proved that he doesn't have the skill to stand up to Tyson. As for one bomb ko'ing Tyson thats BS... he had a great chin, and Foreman wasn't able to one punch any top end competition... just circus act guys who were in there for a pay day.

Ali did KO Foreman tired or not... He was punched and he couldn't get up by the count of ten, and also he was TKO'ed by MOrrison who is evidence that Tyson's style works against Foreman. Its a bad match up that FOreman can't win period.

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Originally Posted by stavros693000

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Originally Posted by Lyle

George Foreman beat all-time great PRIME fighters...Tyson didn't beat ONE all-time great PRIME fighter....he beat a great light heavyweight and a faded all-time great but other than that NOTHING....and he got beat by a F****** bum! 3.....3 bums!!!! Douglas, Williams, McBride....I mean that is SAD....George could STILL beat those guys!!!!

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have u even looked into why douglas beat tyson?, theres more to it!..and how dare u count mcbride and williams,they should be strickend from the record..and we are talking prime and tysons prime was thye kevin rooney years,not when he lost to douglas due to drinking,lack of training and incompetent trainers...and why does all tyson haters dismiss the spinks anillation? he fought and beat holmes and conney and at the time every one expected him to give tyson trouble and to test him...and he blew him out in 91 sec.....and holmes,holmes was great and he got the worst beating of his life,so why dont u count that win either? i mean holy supporters count that win and holmes was even older and gave holyfeild heaps of trouble...why cant u addmit that tyson was great for those 2 glorious years bettween 86-88 when he trained hard and took the game seriously under rooneys expert guidence

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oh right so tyson wasnt in his prime at 24 but holmes was still good at 38 and hadnt fought for 2 years holmes was way past his prime and still gave good account of himself at one point he danced on his toes and tyson looked confused a young holmes would of been able to do that for full 12 i dont care if he gave holyfield trouble after he had 2 weeks to bloody train for tyson what do u expect ?? and he still was doing well until he got caught

tyson was good but not as good as people make him out to be he did destroy spinks that was great win but to be honest spinks only got the title getting 2 gift decisions over past it holmes plus he was shitting his pants he already lost the fight before he entered the ring

Foreman probably beats tyson but tyson has a legitimate shot at winning against any all time great heavy prime for prime.

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George Foreman -vs- George Chuvalo 1970


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FOREMAN actually looks quite light on his feet here im quite suprised

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He still has no defense, and a jab that Tyson would easily slip to get in... Foreman was pretty lean back in the day, and I can't see him handling Tyson's powerful body shots very long.

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Foreman handling the body shots of Tyson? Again lets look at history. Foreman had only one knock out loss in his 5 defeats in 87 fights ( a TKO actually - the opinion was that he gassed out because of Ali's rope-a-dope tactic)). While Tyson was knocked out 5 times out of his six losses in 50 fights. If Tyson were to land body shots, it may affect Foreman but one bomb from Foreman will surely send Mike to the moon. Again, Foreman had a slightly higher knockout percentage than Tyson. Foremans opposition? Please google him and find out (Ali, Norton, Frazier, Holyfield, Moorer, Lyle among others).

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You can't compare stats... Tyson fought way better opponents overall... Only HOlyfield, Douglas, and Lewis were legimate Tyson getting beaten up, and none of those times he used head movement or any of his great defense. Anyways lets look at Foreman's opposition... Moorer:you think he would stand a chance against prime Tyson? He would be out in the first round. Lyle wasn't a good fighter, and still almost knocked out no-defense Foreman. Frazier was simply too small for Foreman. Holyfield totally dominated him, though Foreman did good in the this fight I'll admit... Norton: How many punches do you need to throw to ko an opponent? Shavers took him out way easier, and so would have Tyson. Ali: Foreman was stupid in this fight, and proved that he doesn't have the skill to stand up to Tyson. As for one bomb ko'ing Tyson thats BS... he had a great chin, and Foreman wasn't able to one punch any top end competition... just circus act guys who were in there for a pay day.

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I suggest you google foreman and find out who he fought. Frazier, Norton, Ali, - Just those three names weigh more than all those Tyson fought IMO.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Ali did KO Foreman tired or not... He was punched and he couldn't get up by the count of ten, and also he was TKO'ed by MOrrison who is evidence that Tyson's style works against Foreman. Its a bad match up that FOreman can't win period.

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bro morrison did not stop foreman

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Originally Posted by Humble

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Ali did KO Foreman tired or not... He was punched and he couldn't get up by the count of ten, and also he was TKO'ed by MOrrison who is evidence that Tyson's style works against Foreman. Its a bad match up that FOreman can't win period.

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bro morrison did not stop foreman

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and plus if i remember right because i was very young when i watched the fight didnt morrison box on outside ?? tyson doesnt box on outside mate so thats not really good to compare that fight because tyson wouldnt be boxing on outside he would come right at foreman like he does with all of his opponents

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Ali did KO Foreman tired or not... He was punched and he couldn't get up by the count of ten, and also he was TKO'ed by MOrrison who is evidence that Tyson's style works against Foreman. Its a bad match up that FOreman can't win period.

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bro morrison did not stop foreman

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and plus if i remember right because i was very young when i watched the fight didnt morrison box on outside ?? tyson doesnt box on outside mate so thats not really good to compare that fight because tyson wouldnt be boxing on outside he would come right at foreman like he does with all of his opponents

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right on ;) Tyson on the outside will get killed quicker with Big George's right hand

im not saying mike is gonna KTFO of foreman
but ali beat the hell out of big george
and take note, tyson was compared to ali once
he has all the tools. the talent. he was so dominating
he made it look like the rest of the heavyweights are craps
lets not take this away from him. they never meet so we really dont know
i mean, they were both big punchers with good skills. and they both have
their strengths at different styles. tyson fought inside. big george dissects outside
we just never know so lets not pan on mike. a prime tyson should get his fair chance

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and if both fighters had met while at the top,
i say whoever hits the first bomb shall win by KO.
but i give george an advantage cuz he fights outside
and he has the edge on reach combined with his devastating power
but when it comes to psyche advantage, we saw how ali got into big georges head
and mike does get into every opponents head real bad

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Originally Posted by stavros693000

have u even looked into why douglas beat tyson?, theres more to it!..and how dare u count mcbride and williams,they should be strickend from the record..and we are talking prime and tysons prime was thye kevin rooney years,not when he lost to douglas due to drinking,lack of training and incompetent trainers...and why does all tyson haters dismiss the spinks anillation? he fought and beat holmes and conney and at the time every one expected him to give tyson trouble and to test him...and he blew him out in 91 sec.....and holmes,holmes was great and he got the worst beating of his life,so why dont u count that win either? i mean holy supporters count that win and holmes was even older and gave holyfeild heaps of trouble...why cant u addmit that tyson was great for those 2 glorious years bettween 86-88 when he trained hard and took the game seriously under rooneys expert guidence

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Well fine even comparing a PRIME Tyson which was what 2 years of his career??? To a young, prime, or old George Foreman I take Foreman!!!

I know why Buster beat Tyson #1 Tyson didn't train which is his excuse to ALL his losses #2 Buster dedicated the fight to his MOm and worked hard and he looked good but looking good ONE NIGHT doesn't make you a fucking great boxer!

George Foreman had more power than Tyson could ever DREAM of...let's not look at Tyson's KO's but WHO he KO'd...the 1980's and early 1990's division was full of CHINLESS wonders with the exception of: Ray Mercer, Oliver, McCall, Evander Holyfield, and Riddick Bowe of which Tyson fought ONE of them and lost both times....and in my opinion would have lost to all of them.

George Foreman KO'd GEORGE CHUVALO....George KO'd JOE FRAZIER.....George KO'd HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD MICHAEL MOORER when he was 45!!!!...But I guess if we compare those 2 years of Mike Tyson's career vs Foreman's 81 total fights....George was GREAT in 81 fights while Mike was "great" for 2 years.....get the fuck outta here man NO WAY TYSON BEATS ANY ALL-TIME GREAT HEAVYWEIGHT EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT

Not Jack Johnson, not Jack Dempsey, not Rocky Marciano, not Ezzard Charles, not Joe Walcott, not anyone....I'm not hating on Tyson's skill but you have to recognize that THOSE fighters were extremely talented as well and they didn't fight half as many bums as Mike did.

Lyle they were bums and tyson didnt even sweat beating them.
yes it was just for two years bro. two incredible years of showcasing
how talented he was. it took tyson some few rounds to beat the
crap out those bums. thats why they are bums. they just looked awful against
a freak. a beast. drop their resume. of course george has the better one. and ive
stated he could beat tyson. by KO. yes he could. absolutely. but he wont bust his
ass just because he had a shady list of opponents. i'll agree completely with
you that other eras had the better level of competition. but again take a look
tyson - power, speed, CHIN (yes he had one), style, everythin..
it just never worked out for him. things never ran according to plan. everything got ruined.
with big george... there's a saying that "good guys finished last" and
i think its the exact irony of what happened to mike
but again.. look how at talented he was

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by stavros693000

have u even looked into why douglas beat tyson?, theres more to it!..and how dare u count mcbride and williams,they should be strickend from the record..and we are talking prime and tysons prime was thye kevin rooney years,not when he lost to douglas due to drinking,lack of training and incompetent trainers...and why does all tyson haters dismiss the spinks anillation? he fought and beat holmes and conney and at the time every one expected him to give tyson trouble and to test him...and he blew him out in 91 sec.....and holmes,holmes was great and he got the worst beating of his life,so why dont u count that win either? i mean holy supporters count that win and holmes was even older and gave holyfeild heaps of trouble...why cant u addmit that tyson was great for those 2 glorious years bettween 86-88 when he trained hard and took the game seriously under rooneys expert guidence

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Well fine even comparing a PRIME Tyson which was what 2 years of his career??? To a young, prime, or old George Foreman I take Foreman!!!

I know why Buster beat Tyson #1 Tyson didn't train which is his excuse to ALL his losses #2 Buster dedicated the fight to his MOm and worked hard and he looked good but looking good ONE NIGHT doesn't make you a F****** great boxer!

George Foreman had more power than Tyson could ever DREAM of...let's not look at Tyson's KO's but WHO he KO'd...the 1980's and early 1990's division was full of CHINLESS wonders with the exception of: Ray Mercer, Oliver, McCall, Evander Holyfield, and Riddick Bowe of which Tyson fought ONE of them and lost both times....and in my opinion would have lost to all of them.

George Foreman KO'd GEORGE CHUVALO....George KO'd JOE FRAZIER.....George KO'd HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD MICHAEL MOORER when he was 45!!!!...But I guess if we compare those 2 years of Mike Tyson's career vs Foreman's 81 total fights....George was GREAT in 81 fights while Mike was "great" for 2 years.....get the F*** outta here man NO WAY TYSON BEATS ANY ALL-TIME GREAT HEAVYWEIGHT EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT

Not Jack Johnson, not Jack Dempsey, not Rocky Marciano, not Ezzard Charles, not Joe Walcott, not anyone....I'm not hating on Tyson's skill but you have to recognize that THOSE fighters were extremely talented as well and they didn't fight half as many bums as Mike did.

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Wow you really have nastalgia complex don't you. Tyson would destoy each an every guy you just mentioned, and this isn't even worth debating anymore because you are using retarded arguments. Actually breakdown the fight, and its pretty obvious that Foreman wouldn't be able to hit Tyson... He couldn't really hit Frazier except for the few times when he did catch Frazier and ko'ed him, but Frazier was not as good defensively as Tyson, he couldn't anywhere near as hard, and he wasn't as big. Tyson weighs the same as prime Foreman, and he was 4 inches shorter... that indicates a much larger muscle mass, and a much more compact frame... If he could slip the jabs of Holmes(best jab ever in the heavyweights) even when he was old his jab was faster, and more accurate that Foreman's ever was, same with Carl Williams, but Tyson took him out with one hell of a left hook after slipping his jab. Anyways my point is that Foreman fought 90% nobodies with a few legitimate opponents, but Tyson fought better opponents more consistently than Foreman did, and that would contribute to him not have a higher knockout ratio. Also not to mention taller guys could hold Tyson whenever he came in like Evander which they couldn't do against the taller Foreman who liked to fight at range with his jab so they didn't get breaks against him when they were hurt.

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have u even looked into why douglas beat tyson?, theres more to it!..and how dare u count mcbride and williams,they should be strickend from the record..and we are talking prime and tysons prime was thye kevin rooney years,not when he lost to douglas due to drinking,lack of training and incompetent trainers...and why does all tyson haters dismiss the spinks anillation? he fought and beat holmes and conney and at the time every one expected him to give tyson trouble and to test him...and he blew him out in 91 sec.....and holmes,holmes was great and he got the worst beating of his life,so why dont u count that win either? i mean holy supporters count that win and holmes was even older and gave holyfeild heaps of trouble...why cant u addmit that tyson was great for those 2 glorious years bettween 86-88 when he trained hard and took the game seriously under rooneys expert guidence

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Well fine even comparing a PRIME Tyson which was what 2 years of his career??? To a young, prime, or old George Foreman I take Foreman!!!

I know why Buster beat Tyson #1 Tyson didn't train which is his excuse to ALL his losses #2 Buster dedicated the fight to his MOm and worked hard and he looked good but looking good ONE NIGHT doesn't make you a F****** great boxer!

George Foreman had more power than Tyson could ever DREAM of...let's not look at Tyson's KO's but WHO he KO'd...the 1980's and early 1990's division was full of CHINLESS wonders with the exception of: Ray Mercer, Oliver, McCall, Evander Holyfield, and Riddick Bowe of which Tyson fought ONE of them and lost both times....and in my opinion would have lost to all of them.

George Foreman KO'd GEORGE CHUVALO....George KO'd JOE FRAZIER.....George KO'd HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD MICHAEL MOORER when he was 45!!!!...But I guess if we compare those 2 years of Mike Tyson's career vs Foreman's 81 total fights....George was GREAT in 81 fights while Mike was "great" for 2 years.....get the F*** outta here man NO WAY TYSON BEATS ANY ALL-TIME GREAT HEAVYWEIGHT EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT

Not Jack Johnson, not Jack Dempsey, not Rocky Marciano, not Ezzard Charles, not Joe Walcott, not anyone....I'm not hating on Tyson's skill but you have to recognize that THOSE fighters were extremely talented as well and they didn't fight half as many bums as Mike did.

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Wow you really have nastalgia complex don't you. Tyson would destoy each an every guy you just mentioned, and this isn't even worth debating anymore because you are using retarded arguments. Actually breakdown the fight, and its pretty obvious that Foreman wouldn't be able to hit Tyson... He couldn't really hit Frazier except for the few times when he did catch Frazier and ko'ed him, but Frazier was not as good defensively as Tyson, he couldn't anywhere near as hard, and he wasn't as big. Tyson weighs the same as prime Foreman, and he was 4 inches shorter... that indicates a much larger muscle mass, and a much more compact frame... If he could slip the jabs of Holmes(best jab ever in the heavyweights) even when he was old his jab was faster, and more accurate that Foreman's ever was, same with Carl Williams, but Tyson took him out with one hell of a left hook after slipping his jab. Anyways my point is that Foreman fought 90% nobodies with a few legitimate opponents, but Tyson fought better opponents more consistently than Foreman did, and that would contribute to him not have a higher knockout ratio. Also not to mention taller guys could hold Tyson whenever he came in like Evander which they couldn't do against the taller Foreman who liked to fight at range with his jab so they didn't get breaks against him when they were hurt.

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i agree with lyle i think prime bowe would beat tyson carl williams was decent fighter but come on that guy had one of weakest chins ever in hw division he had skills but his chin was made of glass

This would be a trainwreck. With Foreman being the bigger train. Sort of the styles coming into play. Mike was the greater fighter but Foreman beats Mike. Who was greater? Foreman or Frazier? Yet Foreman beat Frazier twice.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Ali did KO Foreman tired or not... He was punched and he couldn't get up by the count of ten, and also he was TKO'ed by MOrrison who is evidence that Tyson's style works against Foreman. Its a bad match up that FOreman can't win period.

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bro morrison did not stop foreman

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Yes, the official verdict was UD with Morrison (36 - 1). Foreman was 43 years old at that time. However, after that loss he fought Moorer (who was 35 - 0) for the title and won. Foreman fought 3 more times with boxers that had a combined record of 76 - 1 (Axel Schulz, Grimsley, Savarese) before lossing to Briggs (29 - 1). All at the grand age of 45 - 48. Tyson at age 42 is rumored to be boxing with Women on an exhibition circuit. Morrison, ummmmm where is Morrison???

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This would be a trainwreck. With Foreman being the bigger train. Sort of the styles coming into play. Mike was the greater fighter but Foreman beats Mike. Who was greater? Foreman or Frazier? Yet Foreman beat Frazier twice.

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How is Mike the "greater fighter" when he never beat a prime great and never won a fight he wasn't supposed to never got off the deck to come back and win....Foreman did all those things from his 20's to his mid 40's!!!!

Foreman is greater than Frazier IMO, but they are right next to one another on my list

All of you Mike Tyson fanatics who say things like "his defense was incredible" and "he was unbeatable" were fooled! Mike Tyson was a GOOD fighter a la Floyd Patterson but he didn't have Floyd's heart and Floyd didn't have Tyson's mean streak but they were both VERY beatable and their defenses were only good vs certain types of fighters.

I don't totally discredit Tyson but people say the heavyweight division is weak NOW but what about in Tyson's hayday??? I didn't see anyone other than Frank Bruno and OLD Larry Holmes on Mike's resume back then....in the 1990's he just didn't fight the top guys he wanted to keep the "Baddest man in the planet" facade going....he never fought Morrison, Mercer, McCall, Bowe, and that's just a few of the guys who could have whipped Tyson's ass.

morrison would of been killed by tyson i mean he did get stopped in 1st round by michael bentt wasnt it ?? mercer in top shape could give tyson tough fight mccall would of been easily beat i feel anyway by tyson by one sided ud and i think prime bowe would of beat tyson when u fight tyson you must have very good chin to withstand his blows like holyfield did morrison has weak chin and id be suprised if he had made it into 3rd round

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Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65

This would be a trainwreck. With Foreman being the bigger train. Sort of the styles coming into play. Mike was the greater fighter but Foreman beats Mike. Who was greater? Foreman or Frazier? Yet Foreman beat Frazier twice.

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How is Mike the "greater fighter" when he never beat a prime great and never won a fight he wasn't supposed to never got off the deck to come back and win....Foreman did all those things from his 20's to his mid 40's!!!!

Foreman is greater than Frazier IMO, but they are right next to one another on my list

All of you Mike Tyson fanatics who say things like "his defense was incredible" and "he was unbeatable" were fooled! Mike Tyson was a GOOD fighter a la Floyd Patterson but he didn't have Floyd's heart and Floyd didn't have Tyson's mean streak but they were both VERY beatable and their defenses were only good vs certain types of fighters.

I don't totally discredit Tyson but people say the heavyweight division is weak NOW but what about in Tyson's hayday??? I didn't see anyone other than Frank Bruno and OLD Larry Holmes on Mike's resume back then....in the 1990's he just didn't fight the top guys he wanted to keep the "Baddest man in the planet" facade going....he never fought Morrison, Mercer, McCall, Bowe, and that's just a few of the guys who could have whipped Tyson's a**.

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Quite a few speculations in here... Again no one here is disputing that George is considered greater because of his overall body of work.... BUT this is a 1 time fight between the 2 of them not a resume war!!!! George of the 70's was slow plodding and had 0 defense but had helacious punching power..... The only person George ever fought that would be close to being as fast was ALI... There is very little comparison to an 86-89 Tyson than a 70's Frazier, I'm sorry but its true... Just like Tyso would of Blew Frazier out in about 3 rounds...

Very Bad Matchup for George when essense Foreman is Tailor made for Tyson..

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This would be a trainwreck.  With Foreman being the bigger train. Sort of the styles coming into play.  Mike was the greater fighter but Foreman beats Mike. Who was greater? Foreman or Frazier? Yet Foreman beat Frazier twice.

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How is Mike the "greater fighter" when he never beat a prime great and never won a fight he wasn't supposed to never got off the deck to come back and win....Foreman did all those things from his 20's to his mid 40's!!!!

Foreman is greater than Frazier IMO, but they are right next to one another on my list

All of you Mike Tyson fanatics who say things like "his defense was incredible" and "he was unbeatable" were fooled! Mike Tyson was a GOOD fighter a la Floyd Patterson but he didn't have Floyd's heart and Floyd didn't have Tyson's mean streak but they were both VERY beatable and their defenses were only good vs certain types of fighters.

I don't totally discredit Tyson but people say the heavyweight division is weak NOW but what about in Tyson's hayday??? I didn't see anyone other than Frank Bruno and OLD Larry Holmes on Mike's resume back then....in the 1990's he just didn't fight the top guys he wanted to keep the "Baddest man in the planet" facade going....he never fought Morrison, Mercer, McCall, Bowe, and that's just a few of the guys who could have whipped Tyson's a**.

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Quite a few speculations in here... Again no one here is disputing that George is considered greater because of his overall body of work.... BUT this is a 1 time fight between the 2 of them not a resume war!!!! George of the 70's was slow plodding and had 0 defense but had helacious punching power..... The only person George ever fought that would be close to being as fast was ALI... There is very little comparison to an 86-89 Tyson than a 70's Frazier, I'm sorry but its true... Just like Tyso would of Blew Frazier out in about 3 rounds...

Very Bad Matchup for George when essense Foreman is Tailor made for Tyson..

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i disagree prime foreman loved brawlers that tried to weave and come right to him that way in he could hit them with the uppercut now question is would tyson have the heart to withstand foremans punches ?? because sooner or later tyson would get hit with one of them sorry bro but i also disagree with fraizer being blown out in 3 rounds aswell

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This would be a trainwreck. With Foreman being the bigger train. Sort of the styles coming into play. Mike was the greater fighter but Foreman beats Mike. Who was greater? Foreman or Frazier? Yet Foreman beat Frazier twice.

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How is Mike the "greater fighter" when he never beat a prime great and never won a fight he wasn't supposed to never got off the deck to come back and win....Foreman did all those things from his 20's to his mid 40's!!!!

Foreman is greater than Frazier IMO, but they are right next to one another on my list

All of you Mike Tyson fanatics who say things like "his defense was incredible" and "he was unbeatable" were fooled! Mike Tyson was a GOOD fighter a la Floyd Patterson but he didn't have Floyd's heart and Floyd didn't have Tyson's mean streak but they were both VERY beatable and their defenses were only good vs certain types of fighters.

I don't totally discredit Tyson but people say the heavyweight division is weak NOW but what about in Tyson's hayday??? I didn't see anyone other than Frank Bruno and OLD Larry Holmes on Mike's resume back then....in the 1990's he just didn't fight the top guys he wanted to keep the "Baddest man in the planet" facade going....he never fought Morrison, Mercer, McCall, Bowe, and that's just a few of the guys who could have whipped Tyson's a**.

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Quite a few speculations in here... Again no one here is disputing that George is considered greater because of his overall body of work.... BUT this is a 1 time fight between the 2 of them not a resume war!!!! George of the 70's was slow plodding and had 0 defense but had helacious punching power..... The only person George ever fought that would be close to being as fast was ALI... There is very little comparison to an 86-89 Tyson than a 70's Frazier, I'm sorry but its true... Just like Tyso would of Blew Frazier out in about 3 rounds...

Very Bad Matchup for George when essense Foreman is Tailor made for Tyson..

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i disagree prime foreman loved brawlers that tried to weave and come right to him that way in he could hit them with the uppercut now question is would tyson have the heart to withstand foremans punches ?? because sooner or later tyson would get hit with one of them sorry bro but i also disagree with fraizer being blown out in 3 rounds aswell

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Ok Elaborate.... Frazier was a brawler who made a living taking 2-3 punches to give 1... How long would that last against a Prime Mike Tyson??? Not to Mention He would of gotten overwhelmed by Tysons handspeed and ability to put together devestating Combos

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Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65

This would be a trainwreck.  With Foreman being the bigger train. Sort of the styles coming into play.  Mike was the greater fighter but Foreman beats Mike. Who was greater? Foreman or Frazier? Yet Foreman beat Frazier twice.

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How is Mike the "greater fighter" when he never beat a prime great and never won a fight he wasn't supposed to never got off the deck to come back and win....Foreman did all those things from his 20's to his mid 40's!!!!

Foreman is greater than Frazier IMO, but they are right next to one another on my list

All of you Mike Tyson fanatics who say things like "his defense was incredible" and "he was unbeatable" were fooled! Mike Tyson was a GOOD fighter a la Floyd Patterson but he didn't have Floyd's heart and Floyd didn't have Tyson's mean streak but they were both VERY beatable and their defenses were only good vs certain types of fighters.

I don't totally discredit Tyson but people say the heavyweight division is weak NOW but what about in Tyson's hayday??? I didn't see anyone other than Frank Bruno and OLD Larry Holmes on Mike's resume back then....in the 1990's he just didn't fight the top guys he wanted to keep the "Baddest man in the planet" facade going....he never fought Morrison, Mercer, McCall, Bowe, and that's just a few of the guys who could have whipped Tyson's a**.

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Quite a few speculations in here... Again no one here is disputing that George is considered greater because of his overall body of work.... BUT this is a 1 time fight between the 2 of them not a resume war!!!! George of the 70's was slow plodding and had 0 defense but had helacious punching power..... The only person George ever fought that would be close to being as fast was ALI... There is very little comparison to an 86-89 Tyson than a 70's Frazier, I'm sorry but its true... Just like Tyso would of Blew Frazier out in about 3 rounds...

Very Bad Matchup for George when essense Foreman is Tailor made for Tyson..

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i disagree prime foreman loved brawlers that tried to weave and come right to him that way in he could hit them with the uppercut now question is would tyson have the heart to withstand foremans punches ?? because sooner or later tyson would get hit with one of them sorry bro but i also disagree with fraizer being blown out in 3 rounds aswell

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Ok Elaborate.... Frazier was a brawler who made a living taking 2-3 punches to give 1... How long would that last against a Prime Mike Tyson??? Not to Mention He would of gotten overwhelmed by Tysons handspeed and ability to put together devestating Combos

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fraizer had good headmovement and would cause tyson to miss and vice a versa fraizer would get dropped early but i feel sometimes pure heart and guts wins and i think fraizer would survive tysons early storm and get tko because fraizer hit very hard and quick with that left hook i feel frazier would outgut tyson imo anyway tyson does get discouraged when people fight back we have seen it and i feel the same would happen here i feel fraizer has the chin to survive the early storm of tyson and at about round 5 will start coming back

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Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65

This would be a trainwreck. With Foreman being the bigger train. Sort of the styles coming into play. Mike was the greater fighter but Foreman beats Mike. Who was greater? Foreman or Frazier? Yet Foreman beat Frazier twice.

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How is Mike the "greater fighter" when he never beat a prime great and never won a fight he wasn't supposed to never got off the deck to come back and win....Foreman did all those things from his 20's to his mid 40's!!!!

Foreman is greater than Frazier IMO, but they are right next to one another on my list

All of you Mike Tyson fanatics who say things like "his defense was incredible" and "he was unbeatable" were fooled! Mike Tyson was a GOOD fighter a la Floyd Patterson but he didn't have Floyd's heart and Floyd didn't have Tyson's mean streak but they were both VERY beatable and their defenses were only good vs certain types of fighters.

I don't totally discredit Tyson but people say the heavyweight division is weak NOW but what about in Tyson's hayday??? I didn't see anyone other than Frank Bruno and OLD Larry Holmes on Mike's resume back then....in the 1990's he just didn't fight the top guys he wanted to keep the "Baddest man in the planet" facade going....he never fought Morrison, Mercer, McCall, Bowe, and that's just a few of the guys who could have whipped Tyson's a**.

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Quite a few speculations in here... Again no one here is disputing that George is considered greater because of his overall body of work.... BUT this is a 1 time fight between the 2 of them not a resume war!!!! George of the 70's was slow plodding and had 0 defense but had helacious punching power..... The only person George ever fought that would be close to being as fast was ALI... There is very little comparison to an 86-89 Tyson than a 70's Frazier, I'm sorry but its true... Just like Tyso would of Blew Frazier out in about 3 rounds...

Very Bad Matchup for George when essense Foreman is Tailor made for Tyson..

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i disagree prime foreman loved brawlers that tried to weave and come right to him that way in he could hit them with the uppercut now question is would tyson have the heart to withstand foremans punches ?? because sooner or later tyson would get hit with one of them sorry bro but i also disagree with fraizer being blown out in 3 rounds aswell

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Ok Elaborate.... Frazier was a brawler who made a living taking 2-3 punches to give 1... How long would that last against a Prime Mike Tyson??? Not to Mention He would of gotten overwhelmed by Tysons handspeed and ability to put together devestating Combos

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fraizer had good headmovement and would cause tyson to miss and vice a versa fraizer would get dropped early but i feel sometimes pure heart and guts wins and i think fraizer would survive tysons early storm and get tko because fraizer hit very hard and quick with that left hook i feel frazier would outgut tyson imo anyway tyson does get discouraged when people fight back we have seen it and i feel the same would happen here i feel fraizer has the chin to survive the early storm of tyson and at about round 5 will start coming back

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Frazier could not withstand a metodical slow puncher like Foreman who would have more of a propensity to miss than Tyson who early on 86-89 had the handspeed of a Welterweight and ripped off devastating 4-5 punch Combos with regularity... like I said earlier during that 3 year stretch before Douglas Tyson was a Bona Fied world beater who with a clear head and direction you could have gotten a time machine cause he would have beat any version of any fighter who came to the table... Period! ;D

oh come on jt you know i like you bro but your doing what most do overrating tyson i mean this is same tyson that did struggle with james quick tillis and tony tucker losing 4 rounds to tucker and i know tucker was decent but he wasnt in same class as bowe lewis and prime holyfield was he ??

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oh come on jt you know i like you bro but your doing what most do overrating tyson i mean this is same tyson that did struggle with james quick tillis and tony tucker losing 4 rounds to tucker and i know tucker was decent but he wasnt in same class as bowe lewis and prime holyfield was he ??

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No I'm not overrating Tyson!!!!! I was very specific about the time frame Tyson was elite, anyone can see a decline especially someone who has a bigger library than the Smithsonian... ;D

1st go's Focus and discipline out of ring charades
2nd went head movement
3rd go's to jail
4th stops combo punching only looked for the 1 big punch
5th went his heart and willingness to fight and take punishment....

Foreman had trouble with Ron Lyle and lost to Jimmy Young.. yea a Jimmy YOung who got beat by Tony Tucker, Tony Tubbs, Ken Norton... and 16 other guys ;)

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oh come on jt you know i like you bro but your doing what most do overrating tyson i mean this is same tyson that did struggle with james quick tillis and tony tucker losing 4 rounds to tucker and i know tucker was decent but he wasnt in same class as bowe lewis and prime holyfield was he ??

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No I'm not overrating Tyson!!!!! I was very specific about the time frame Tyson was elite, anyone can see a decline especially someone who has a bigger library than the Smithsonian... ;D

1st go's Focus and discipline out of ring charades
2nd went head movement
3rd go's to jail
4th stops combo punching only looked for the 1 big punch
5th went his heart and willingness to fight and take punishment....

Foreman had trouble with Ron Lyle and lost to Jimmy Young.. yea a Jimmy YOung who got beat by Tony Tucker, Tony Tubbs, Ken Norton... and 16 other guys ;)

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foreman wasnt in his prime against young or lyle plus jimmy young was well past it when he fought tucker and tubbs you know that yourself jt young in his prime was sound fighter he lost to ali in which many thought he won got a draw against shavers in which alot people thought he won and lost razor thin decision to ken norton tyson was great fighter of course he was but not unbeatable like some people try and make out but i love good debate anyway this is all good fun 8)

Foreman PHYSICALLY manhandled Joe Frazier...that's how he won Foreman was bigger, pushed Frazier back and kept him on the ropes.

Foreman wasn't slow his hands for the power they carried moved pretty good he only wound up on a guy when he had them hurt.

Joe Frazier had more heart and determination in one finger than Mike Tyson had in his whole body! Joe worked hard, he pressed the action and when Tyson tried to tie him up is when the fight would turn. Frazier was just as big as Mike but threw more punches and took a better punch too

Also Joe lost 4 fights...Ali TWICE, Foreman TWICE...compare that with who Mike lost to!