Remember, no one in America even knew who Calzaghe even was before he faught Lacy.
Printable View
Remember, no one in America even knew who Calzaghe even was before he faught Lacy.
Overrated (by order):
Joe Calzaghe- Wants big money fights, yet turns down 3.4 million. Coward move if I ever saw one
Antonio Margarito- Bob Arum hype machine. Nothing more
Vic Darchinyan- Wonder why he never calls out Parra?
Junior Witter- This guy swears up and down he's an elite fighter. Only in his head he is
Brian Viloria- Skilled fighter, who doesn't really seem to be into boxing
Pongsaklek Wonjongkam- Can't believe Ring magazine actually put him on the P4P list
Chris John- Made his name off a gift win over Juan Manuel Marquez
Joan Guzman- Liked him in the lower weights. Not anymore. Lost his power
Felix Strum- Losing to Castillejo says it all
Juan Diaz- Boxing second most yellow Champion (Calzaghe is 1st). Fight somebody, God Damn it
Clinton Woods- According to some posters, now he's good
Underrated (by order):
Joel Casamayor- By all rights should be undefeated and on P4P lists
Rafael Marquez- Still not as known as he should be
Lorenzo Parra- Better than Darchinyan and Jorge Arce
O'Neil Bell- Exciting Cruiserweight. Very impressive in last fight
Allan Green- People are starting to knock him now. I'm not. Will be big in 2007
Ike Quartey- Underrated back in the day. Underrated now
Luis Perez- Can't make 115 anymore. He'll make noise at 118.
Koki Kameda- Very high on this kid. Expecting big things from him
Your wrong about Woods. I dont think one person on here is under any illussions about how good he is. He is a decent fighter who most thought had improved enough to edge past another decent fighter in Johnson. They were proved right. Clinton Woods is rated just right. Good fighter who has earned a proper world title the right way, end of.
Bullshit. It can never be said that Woods won the title the right way. That title was unjustly stripped from Antonio Tarver. Woods is a paper champion. And that's the end of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Clinton Woods won his title the right way fighting the people he was told to fight. There would have been easier routes to a 'world' title but he took the right one.
Bitching about what happened to Tarver doesnt make you any less wrong.
I think your confusing healthy respect with overating. You are excused though.
Nah, nah. No confusion. Woods is overrated. Winning a title that was stripped from somebody else for bullshit reasons is not winning the title the right way. The fact that Tarver is a hated punk doesn't make him being stripped right. The way Woods won his title was the easiest route possible for him. He didn't beat the legit World champion. I wouldn't be surprised if you taught vacant meant legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Who's fault is it that Tarver got stripped? Whatever your answer it isn't Clinton Woods.
Woods put himself in line for the title by fighting and winning his eliminators just like anyone else has to. You think if Tarver was an option he wouldn't have fought him?
Besides, this thread isn't about Clinton Woods legitimacy as a champion. Its about who is overrated and who is underrated. If Clinton Woods has to get a mention it should be on the side of underrated.
I think Enzo McCarnelli's is total underrate.
we did ?? when ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Koki Kameda is so overated.
:moon:Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
;D
I really wanted dildo to respond to that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
Go punish yourself. ;D
Heh heh heh heh. I had to get you on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
As far as who I think is underratted & underappreciated...Juan Manuel Marquez & also Hopkins is underappreciated.
Many hate on the man...but he's an old school fighter, he's tactical/technical, & in the end...he's one of the premiere legends of our decade.
.Quote:
Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Let me guess. Your a Clinton Woods fan, huh?
I'd tend to go the other way. Decent fighter, decent puncher. Nothing about him strikes me as world class though.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
Not really buddy, I just saw the first Landaeta fight, he lost that fight, the ref, the judges, the whole thing was a sham. Kameda will get exposed, he's pure hype, he's good for his age and he does have potential but for now everyone stop trying to turn him into the next Jeff Lacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Jeff Lacy, huh? Lets see. One Is Japanese. The other is black. One is a Junior Flyweight. The other is a Super Middleweight. One is a boxer. The other is a puncher. One stands 5' 5 and weights 108. The other one is 5' 10 and weights 168. I don't think anybody is trying to turn Kameda to Lacy. Kameda struggled against Landaeta is there first fight. But he did enough to win it. And he proved it by winning the rematch a lot more easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Ok, not one for metaphors ok let me break it down. When I say "turning him into the next jeff lacy" I mean, hypoing him like there's no tomorrow, turning him into something he isn't, metaphorically speaking, it has nothing to do with his size, race, boxing style age, just celibrity and profile. Ok VD? I'm guessing you've just awoken from your drunken slumber and your looking for an argument. And Kameda got his ass handed to him in the first fight, no denying that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by yoitsdan
You make it seem like he was dominated. Which is clearly not the case. He struggled and got dropped. But he got up and fought on. He's young. He's expected to struggle. He learned from it. Or did you not see the rematch?
Hatton at 140 is a monster IMO, but at 147 he's just an average fighter. His advantages are severly diminished at 147 because he already was too short and had short reach to begin with, but his mauling physical style won't work against the elite at 147, and outside of his heart and stamina, that's all he really had going for him anyway. The guy has a ton of holes in his defense and is a one trick pony on offense. That trick works fine at 140 not at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
Speaking of overrated, hbo's boxing site has a writer calling Amir Kahn the next Floyd Maywether. To all my Brititsh bretheren, what's the deal with this guy? I can't find him on youtube or any media. Is he for real or can he fight without the headgear on?
Underrated?
I dunno... Celestino Caballero, Paul Malignaggi (not great but now has anger to go with that "magic man" style), Demetrius Hopkins, to an extant Joan Guzman (he belongs near the top of a very interesting 130 division).
heres his lastest fight see for yourself mate
Amir Khan vs Rachid Drilzane - Rounds 1 - 3 Big Fight
[youtube=425,350]HdFS7MDUdnE[/youtube]
Amir Khan vs Rachid Drilzane - Rounds 4 - 6 Big Fight
[youtube=425,350]TuFnEp_mnG4[/youtube]
Amir Khan vs Rachid Drilzane - Rounds 7 - 9 Big Fight
[youtube=425,350]blrlfXV1MgM[/youtube]
Amir Khan vs Rachid Drilzane - Round 10 - Big Fight
[youtube=425,350]H4MIAOVTVAI[/youtube]
Underrated - Joan Guzman
Here is a guy who deosnt appear on anyones p4p lists but he's got the reflexes and speed of Floyd Maywetaher but with power . The job he did on Barrios was even more impressive than the job Floyd did on Baldy cuz he physically dominated and came forward .
I hope in 07 he lives up to potential and dominates the superfeather weight division in the post Barrera era . Id love to see him against Pac