Saddam Hussein executed in Iraq

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

And you cannot say Bush is not as bad as Saddam just because Saddam attacked his own people....Bush attacked Afghanis,Iraqi and is most probably in his little Skull and Bones meetings figuring out how to start a war with Iran and Syria...Granted Saddam is worse now but Bush seems to have a LOOOOOOONG term plan for the "war on terror"....

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Get over the Skulls, they don't rule the world it's just a club.....John Kerry was a Skull as well, funny no one ever mentions that

Whenever a Republican takes office all the idiots out there think something devious is going on....but never a liberal would never START A WAR or engage in NATION BUILDING.....like Bay of Pigs done by Kennedy or Bosnia done by Clinton.

I don't like W, I don't agree with his policies or his economics but I don't think he's the devil either.

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

Clinton was impeached for lying about getting a nobjob. What the hell does bush have to do wrong that he already hasn't to be impeached and why the fuck did he get re-elected in the first place?

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That one is easy, the leaders of the DNC aren't any better than the GOP and their politics don't make for people agreeing with them either....the GOP it's pretty easy and all written out: pro gun, anti abortion, small federal government, tax cuts, don't spend a lot......too bad W didn't follow ALL of those standards

I read a story yestarday in the Arizona Star Republic (beleive that's the name) and...the guy deserved to be executed. Obviously. The guy was terrible. Anyways...

So this kid was just 14. He was playing footy in his classroom and a ball deflected off his foot and accidentally hit a picture of Sadaam. The teacher then reported the incident to the Police and the child was taken to jail and tortured for 3 days. He was hung in the air on a cross, and beat with a cable wire and a bamboo stick for 3 days. Not fed anything.

That was the type of country he ran. Anyone who thinks Iraq is not better off without Sadaam is insane. HOWEVER, the way they went about taking him out, lying to the people and sending in a quarter of a million troops was not right. But I have no protest to Sadaam dying.

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Originally Posted by amat

I read a story yestarday in the Arizona Star Republic (beleive that's the name) and...the guy deserved to be executed. Obviously. The guy was terrible. Anyways...

So this kid was just 14. He was playing footy in his classroom and a ball deflected off his foot and accidentally hit a picture of Sadaam. The teacher then reported the incident to the Police and the child was taken to jail and tortured for 3 days. He was hung in the air on a cross, and beat with a cable wire and a bamboo stick for 3 days. Not fed anything.

That was the type of country he ran. Anyone who thinks Iraq is not better off without Sadaam is insane. HOWEVER, the way they went about taking him out, lying to the people and sending in a quarter of a million troops was not right. But I have no protest to Sadaam dying.

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You have to look at it from all prespectives. I totally agree that he was a bad bad man BUT,to say that the country is better off without him,I don't know about that. It's better to say that maybe certain ethnic groups etc feel better that he is not there but the country in general? Certainl ALOT of people will feel justice has been done and rightfull so but has done anything for Iraq and it's safety?

I guess my question is is the country safer??

I don't know,the American bombings and annoyance of national forces on their soil,the sectarian violence,daily car bombings, things like Abu Ghraib. Daily kidnappings,ransoms etc. I met this Iraqi girl in university(like your college I guess and she's HOT by the way..anway!_) and she was telling me how the situation in Iraq is unbearable as she has relatives back there and they inform her. Her cousin was kidnapped for ransom the other day?! If you have a certain name,you can't go to certain areas as they can tell which clan/sect you belong to and may kill you?? They only have electricity for a certain period of time!! WTF!!!?!

And noo way is the so called Iraqi national force or whatever it is called,well prepared to look after the country once America pulls out,no way. They are just a ragtag group of peeps put together with a short period of time for their training!!! Ordinary people like you and I,how the heck are they going to cope??

Again,I have no protest to Saddam dying but I don't see what it achieves,I can't believe it was filmed etc and it's just all pointless. Heck,I don't know if you guys read up on current events but quiate a few Afghani want the Taliban back in power because they gave security to the country first and second,that war in Afghanistan,the forgotten war is far far far from being won..don't believe EVERYTHING you hear(or in some cases don't hear) from the media.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

And you cannot say Bush is not as bad as Saddam just because Saddam attacked his own people....Bush attacked Afghanis,Iraqi and is most probably in his little Skull and Bones meetings figuring out how to start a war with Iran and Syria...Granted Saddam is worse now but Bush seems to have a LOOOOOOONG term plan for the "war on terror"....

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Get over the Skulls, they don't rule the world it's just a club.....John Kerry was a Skull as well, funny no one ever mentions that

Whenever a Republican takes office all the idiots out there think something devious is going on....but never a liberal would never START A WAR or engage in NATION BUILDING.....like Bay of Pigs done by Kennedy or Bosnia done by Clinton.

I don't like W, I don't agree with his policies or his economics but I don't think he's the devil either.

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What does that club indulge in though? hy the heck would world leaders join together for a club?! And I din't know much about Republicans and Liberals although I am starting to read into that,the American system is quite interesting.

I don't think they rule the world either but you don't just find it,i don't know,a little strange that the president of one of the most powerful countries in the world goes to these little secluded meetings?

Well one good thing that Taliban did was really make it difficult to produce and distribute heroin.


Saddam made Iraq safe through being a hard ass which is what was needed because Sunni's are Arabs and Shia are Persians and anyone who knows history knows they don't get along very well but when unified they are a formitable enemy as the Greeks and Romans found out.


Saddam's death won't have much affect on the fighting going on right now but one must realize if a solid democratic government was founded in Iraq things could be better....let's face it their style of government ain't too advanced right now and the feuding between the religions and races has been going on FOREVER and I'm tired of it as I am sure everyone else is....aside from this little part of the world everything is pretty humdrum




Gamo that's a bit of a stretch don't you think??? I mean he was also a DKE but that fraternity doesn't mean as much as the Skulls?...he also went to Yale....oh they are going to take over the Universe.

The Skulls is all hype much like people who think the Masons control the world or the reptiles.....it's a bunch of shit dude

You also forget that JOHN KERRY goes to those meetings as well....why would he run against W?? Oh I know so the Skulls would NO DOUBT control the free world!

I think everything would be easier if we gave them back israel (which we kicked them out if in the first place), moved all the israel people into canada because then we would not need worry about the canadians becoming violent and retaliating. They'll probably all move to france anyway.

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

I think everything would be easier if we gave them back israel (which we kicked them out if in the first place), moved all the israel people into canada because then we would not need worry about the canadians becoming violent and retaliating. They'll probably all move to france anyway.

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That begs the answer "but it's the holy land!!!"

really all these people fight over is DIRT....if God made the Earth then why is one area more holy than another???

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well one good thing that Taliban did was really make it difficult to produce and distribute heroin.


Saddam made Iraq safe through being a hard ass which is what was needed because Sunni's are Arabs and Shia are Persians and anyone who knows history knows they don't get along very well but when unified they are a formitable enemy as the Greeks and Romans found out.


Saddam's death won't have much affect on the fighting going on right now but one must realize if a solid democratic government was founded in Iraq things could be better....let's face it their style of government ain't too advanced right now and the feuding between the religions and races has been going on FOREVER and I'm tired of it as I am sure everyone else is....aside from this little part of the world everything is pretty humdrum




Gamo that's a bit of a stretch don't you think??? I mean he was also a DKE but that fraternity doesn't mean as much as the Skulls?...he also went to Yale....oh they are going to take over the Universe.

The Skulls is all hype much like people who think the Masons control the world or the reptiles.....it's a bunch of shit dude

You also forget that JOHN KERRY goes to those meetings as well....why would he run against W?? Oh I know so the Skulls would NO DOUBT control the free world!

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Yes,I am indeed familiar about how the Romans got their asses kicked in,was it Mesoptamia back then?Or Babylon? I can't remember.

You answered your own question there dude, the Mid East has been in turmoil for a long long time and probaly will continue to be for a long long time and nothing America nor anyone else who proceeds to implement ideas of what it think is good and right can do anything about it,period.

A democratic government in the Mid East does not mean squat to anyone dude! Democracy is a pick and choose word. If there was a democracy in the Uk,would Blair not have listened to the 1,000,000 plus peeps that marched against the war?! or the NUMEROUS polls showing support against the war?


Secondly,why try to impose one's own beliefs on another through force?? How would America like it if Cuba tried to invade it,bomb it,occupy it and impose communism on it?? It would not.Simple as. Also,with soooooo many different sectarian groups,even IF there was a democratic government installed,it would only benefit certain groups(I'm guessin the Shias,the sunnis are probably pisse dbecause Saddam is dead and the Kurds want autonomy) so it'll be back to sqaure one again.


Alsoo,I'm guessing you don't read worl events because even if the wars in the mID East ended,there's wars in all corners of the globe! In the northern province of China,Southern islands of Thailand, Somalia,parts of Indonesia,etc etc I could carry this list on for quite some time but I think you understand what I mean.

WTF is US going to do,go around sorting all these problems out? Nope,absolutely not,it has got what it wanted from Iraq and it'll look to see where next it can further it's economic and political interests. I'd be willing to bet anyone on this forum a CC everyday I'm online,that in some way shape or form,by 2009,US will got war with Iran and may be Syria too.

Come on man,you're telling me you don't find anything remotely strange about the Skulls shit? I'm still reading into it but it does seem like some strange shit going on first and second,wouldn't Kerry going there prove the thory too that no matter which leader is in power,he'll be held accountable by come higher power??(Freemasons,patriots,whatever you want to call them).Of course I don't believe EVERY part of that stuff but to think that the US president goes these strange almost ritualistic ceremonies with other world leaders,isn't that a bit strange? Heck,if a friend of mine went to that kind of shat,I'd think tiwas weird but a president of a country?

Explain one thing to me though,HOW THE FUCK DID ARNIE become governor of Cali?! WTF?! A dumbass bodybuilder who was given like 25 lines in Terminator 1 due to his limited acting skills and possibly intellect to deliver the lines with any authority is now the leader of a state with like the 4th biggest economy in the world?!!?! I know it's off topic but I've always wanted to know that!

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

I think everything would be easier if we gave them back israel (which we kicked them out if in the first place), moved all the israel people into canada because then we would not need worry about the canadians becoming violent and retaliating. They'll probably all move to france anyway.

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LMAO,but for real,why is America ALWAYS ass licking Israel?? Zionsim conspiracy?

They have to keep the jewish people there because some book that a lot of people believe in says if they don't something bad will happen while the muslim's were living there at the time we just kicked them out and they had no chance to negotiate. I don't agree with blowing yourself up and stuff behind the belief that if you kill some one who isn't a muslim you go to heaven (this is just an extremist view and not a view by the entire or pure form of the religion) but really they don't have a choice except to be violent. For me that would be like a group of people i didn't like (canadians) coming into my town and be like you have to leave so french people can move into here because a book says they belong here. WTF is that!? It's a joke. Just because christianity is believed by the people with more power in the world doesn't mean its right. The one south park episode made a funny point where even if everyone was an atheist they would go into religious wars because they'd be arguing over what to call themselves.

Dude nobody in the us wanted the war in iraq either. The war ended 4 years ago next may keep that in mind. I dunno how he got re-elected. Look back at the poll results from dc for the '04 election. i thought it was funny that bush won while over 90% of dc voted for kerry. I think that was a statement in itself.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

LMAO,but for real,why is America ALWAYS ass licking Israel?? Zionsim conspiracy?

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...a couple little things called WORLD WAR II and the HOLOCAUST

Lots of people died in those and the jews deserve land like anyone else!


Having a democracy or a republic or a democratic republic or anything like that it gives ownership of the government to the people and it also grants majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority.....right now that too means a lot to Kurds, Sunni, and so on.

Peace in the middle east is damn near impossible due to Westerners thinking it's impossible and idiots ruling the Persians and Arabs. There is no mutuality other than hate between us it's amazing we're on the same planet but everyone must come to the conclusion that obsticles are put in our way to overcome and our dislike of each other is an obsticle once we overcome this we can move on to something greater.

Punisher you need to watch "The Power of Myth" it covers the Koran, The Bible, and hell everything down to Native American myth and it's all the same.

The stories are all similar, so they are all fighting over the same myth but they fail to see the metaphors in the myths....that is where truth is.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

LMAO,but for real,why is America ALWAYS ass licking Israel?? Zionsim conspiracy?

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...a couple little things called WORLD WAR II and the HOLOCAUST

Lots of people died in those and the jews deserve land like anyone else!


Having a democracy or a republic or a democratic republic or anything like that it gives ownership of the government to the people and it also grants majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority.....right now that too means a lot to Kurds, Sunni, and so on.

Peace in the middle east is damn near impossible due to Westerners thinking it's impossible and idiots ruling the Persians and Arabs. There is no mutuality other than hate between us it's amazing we're on the same planet but everyone must come to the conclusion that obsticles are put in our way to overcome and our dislike of each other is an obsticle once we overcome this we can move on to something greater.

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Well that's dumbass thinking imo,so Germans and Europeans kill millions and millions of jews so erm why don't we put them in the midst of all these arab Muslim countries? That's fooking dumb firstly and secondly,no offence to anyone but like Punisher said,if someone came on my land and started kicking peeps out and taking jobs,bulindg settlements and basically punishing me for something I didn't do,I'd whoop their ass. If America loves Israel so much,why not make a fooking state in the states for them then? That's land too right? I'd bet that would stop alot of tension and turmoil there in the mid east first and second,it would stop terrorist groups from operating in Palestine and Lebanon as they would not have much of a purpose.

Aside from canada i have an extreme dislike of ohio so im all for changing in ohio residents for the people in israel.

Well then you just go and fucking move them.....it won't solve shit!!!


The Crusades happened before the Holocaust and the muslims took over most of Europe before the state of Israel was formed....the problem is not with the jews or the people it's with the leadership of the religions and countries.

Palestine is controlled by Syria as is Lebanon and Syria is in turn controlled by Iran. Iran is full of Shia and that is why they have such a big intrest in Iraq's future.....we created Iraq to keep them seperate from Iran....which is why we supported Saddam to begin with.


Honestly watch "Power of Myth" it explains so much

did anyone see the real hanging of the video?

right before he goes down he says a prayer and he kind of doesn't get to finish his prayer.

this video is not images like they had on news, so if you don't want to see it, believe me its better you don't.

you can search on youtube real saddam hanging.

Seriously give them their land back and (there won't be world peace because they'll still be random shootings, stabbing and fights around the world) it'll be a lot better. As an atheist i have no interest in religious beliefs and how people act because of them. Seeing what happened for just what it was: we took their land from them for no good justifiable reason and filled it with people they didn't like to begin with. That caused dislike to turn into hate.

I don't like when atheists try and take christmas stuff out of the public either. So what if you don't like it, the world wasn't made to cater to just one persons wants. You wanna be the only person in your neighborhood to not decorate? do it! That's what you're allowed to do. Don't take it away from other people because you don't think it's right.

You're a fucking idiot if you think that will help

#1 those people just won't move

#2 more issues will cause trouble than just the jews for example Shia, Kurds, Sunni....they all hate each other just as much as they hater Christians and Jews

Moving them just gives the people the option to change who or why they hate

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well then you just go and F****** move them.....it won't solve S***!!!


The Crusades happened before the Holocaust and the muslims took over most of Europe before the state of Israel was formed....the problem is not with the jews or the people it's with the leadership of the religions and countries.

Palestine is controlled by Syria as is Lebanon and Syria is in turn controlled by Iran. Iran is full of Shia and that is why they have such a big intrest in Iraq's future.....we created Iraq to keep them seperate from Iran....which is why we supported Saddam to begin with.


Honestly watch "Power of Myth" it explains so much

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"Hey what happened to the people that took over our land and filled it with people that we hated?" "They moved those wretched beings into their own country." "Hmm guess we need to move over there to continue our fight." "Ok, now what?" "I dunno."

They're fighting just for the sake of fighting you're right they have no interest in getting their homeland back ::**

i have Al Jazeera and they say the video was taken with a cellphone.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

You're a F****** idiot if you think that will help

#1 those people just won't move

#2 more issues will cause trouble than just the jews for example Shia, Kurds, Sunni....they all hate each other just as much as they hater Christians and Jews

Moving them just gives the people the option to change who or why they hate

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the #2 is so f****** true

The Shia vs the Sunni is the "civil war" in Iraq....Saddam was Sunni they are a minority but the Shia are the majority and are helped more than likely by Syria and Iran.


Peace is not easy to come by and what is right for one is never right for EVERYONE so it's really in the eye of the beholder.

I am sure the Kurds feel better not having a guy come and gas them....but maybe they aren't doing any better or any worse.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

The Shia vs the Sunni is the "civil war" in Iraq....Saddam was Sunni they are a minority but the Shia are the majority and are helped more than likely by Syria and Iran.


Peace is not easy to come by and what is right for one is never right for EVERYONE so it's really in the eye of the beholder.

I am sure the Kurds feel better not having a guy come and gas them....but maybe they aren't doing any better or any worse.

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how could they not be better when they run away from him to refugee camps and famlies living in one tent for over 4 years?

There's gangs here that fight. There's groups over there that fight. This would keep it contained into their own little group. There will never be peace but if there must be conflict i'd rather it be a country at war with itself then going to war with other countries that could eventually involve more countries as time goes on. Think about it. Britain doesn't send people over here to stop gang fights because it doesn't make any sense. I'd rather violence be contained at a national level than have it spread to a global level.

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

There's gangs here that fight. There's groups over there that fight. This would keep it contained into their own little group. There will never be peace but if there must be conflict i'd rather it be a country at war with itself then going to war with other countries that could eventually involve more countries as time goes on. Think about it. Britain doesn't send people over here to stop gang fights because it doesn't make any sense. I'd rather violence be contained at a national level than have it spread to a global level.

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true, i agree with what your saying about war, but all was not war.

Fighting war whatever you wanna call it.

his son going in schools demanding the principal giving him young girls and taking home to rape, i don't call that war.

I'm saying if the palestinians get their land back. Of course saddam did some twisted shit that wasn't considered war.

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I'm saying if the palestinians get their land back. Of course saddam did some twisted S*** that wasn't considered war.

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sorry misunderstood your post, thought your post was about what saddam was doing.

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

I'm saying if the palestinians get their land back. Of course saddam did some twisted shit that wasn't considered war.

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The Palestinians were kicked out of Palestine to make room for the Israelis BUT people need to know that the Arabs and Persians don't care much for the Palestinians either and the reason they want the nation of Israel to end because they want the Palestinians away from them.

Jordan killed more Palestinians in Black September than Israel has since it was founded after World War II.

The violence isn't the problem or the issue it's the CULTURE of violence that is the problem and if there are changes in the culture then the problem may be resolved.....we stand a better chance of doing something than just doing nothing and letting this trend continue as it has done for eons.

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F****** hyprocrites. Hanged for killing just over a 100 kurds whilst good Christian Bush has the blood of 1 million Iraqi civillians on his hands >:mad

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Do you really think he killed only 100?

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Nah of course not, but I bet in his entire reign he didnt kill as many as Bush and his dad did ;)

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I think there is a big difference between people dying due as a result of a war ( though IMO it is a shame that we even have to have such things but as history has shown it is a neccessity ).....Than just killing people to show you have the power to do so and send a message that if any you disagree with anything I say I will kill you also that is just a plain out murderer.....I have been unlucky enough to lose a close family member in every war since Vietnam...IMO all these world leaders need to put on the gloves and duke it out....The ratings would crush the Contender....

I think its safe to say that no good has ever come from major powers getting involved in foreign affairs.

I dont agree with Israel at all... A big error i feel.
A religious group doesn't/ shouldn't have a designated/ default homeland... regardless.

Yeah, let's knock down the Vatican City while we are at it.

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Yeah, let's knock down the Vatican City while we are at it.

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Don't do that cos if you make all the Catholics homeless you just know they would turn up on our British doorstep trying to get in along with all the other fuckers. :P

I reckon by 2030 our future Prime Minister will probably hand over the entire country to immigrants and minority groups and anybody with a British ancestry going back more than 3 generations will have to live on some massive wooden offshore city like Waterworld just so we don't offend any of the million and one other nationalities who now claim the British soil.

By 2030 our PM will be a f*cking immigrant ;)


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