Could Peter's granite chin withstand Wlad's sledgehammer right?

your kidding right?
You ever get rocked in the back of the head? lol, so your saying vlad, instead of blocking the punch with his gloves or tying up his man, he was trying to use the back of his head as cushion?. Cmon, it was blatant punches behind the head, some 2, 3 times in a row while peter would make it inside, his violent, wild punches were not un-orchestrated. He knew what he was doing ( it reminded me of Briggs vs lennox lewis, briggs saw it effective, and did it until he hurt lewis)

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bey BX can i ask again

So how do you feel about punching behind the head? you like that huh lol
You respect that?

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I've said this like a million times that's why. If Wlad is that scared to get punched in his face that he turns his head that's not necessarily Peters fault. Think about that.

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I see. So what was the reason James Toney kept getting hit in the back of the head? Was he scared to?

Here are the two behind the head shots Peter landed on Wladimir, the second is really bad because Wladimir had been pushed to his knee by Peter first and then hit on the back of the head.


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Wladimir never landed one of his best right hands on Peter in the first fight.I am not sure if one of his punches could put him down but a good combo would.

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I ccould see why you think Wlad would win. He has alot of skill and advantages but I think that it is a bad match up for him because of Peters incredible chin and power. It's definitely the best fight that coulb be made at HW no matter what the outcome. Two behemoths throwing bombs is sure to keep everyone on the edge of their seats. I just hope it's clean so that there can be a clear winner.

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Wladimir never landed one of his best right hands on Peter in the first fight.I am not sure if one of his punches could put him down but a good combo would.

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I ccould see why you think Wlad would win. He has alot of skill and advantages but I think that it is a bad match up for him because of Peters incredible chin and power. It's definitely the best fight that coulb be made at HW no matter what the outcome. Two behemoths throwing bombs is sure to keep everyone on the edge of their seats. I just hope it's clean so that there can be a clear winner.

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The outcome will be the same. Peter will lose. It was pretty clear the first time.

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bey BX can i ask again

So how do you feel about punching behind the head? you like that huh lol
You respect that?

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I've said this like a million times that's why. If Wlad is that scared to get punched in his face that he turns his head that's not necessarily Peters fault. Think about that.

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I see. So what was the reason James Toney kept getting hit in the back of the head? Was he scared to?

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Do you even watch these fight? Toney spent most of the fight with his head down. I thought he lost an earring or something. I thought Peter did a good job at restraining his punches for the most part.

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Here are the two behind the head shots Peter landed on Wladimir, the second is really bad because Wladimir had been pushed to his knee by Peter first and then hit on the back of the head.


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Yes, I agree entirely. Peter was throwing bolo punches all night and the ref was incompetent. Two of the three knockdowns weren't legit. As a matter of fact, Peter may cause serious damage to a boxer by using such dangerous tactics. Maybe Wlad beats him in a rematch. If he would have followed up with that vicious left hook he hit Peter with in the 11th, he probably would have stopped him. However, Toney took the same types of 'illegal blows' in the first fight and kept coming. If he would have had Wladdy's power there never would have been a rematch.

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bey BX can i ask again

So how do you feel about punching behind the head? you like that huh lol
You respect that?

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I've said this like a million times that's why. If Wlad is that scared to get punched in his face that he turns his head that's not necessarily Peters fault. Think about that.

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I see. So what was the reason James Toney kept getting hit in the back of the head? Was he scared to?

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Do you even watch these fight? Toney spent most of the fight with his head down. I thought he lost an earring or something. I thought Peter did a good job at restraining his punches for the most part.

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Did you? Everybody seems to agree that Peter has a habit of hitting in the back of the head, except you. I taught you always "tell it like it is"

ok if any of this shit is not intentional by peter and it just happens on accident why did he pull the illegal hit the guy on the side of the head with both fists at the same time,which definitely was intentional, which I believe happened in the first toney fight.

I think Vlad's main problem was lack of endurance. He was huffing and puffing like a hurricane after 4 rounds. Me thinks he has overcome that weakness.

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I could buy that. The next time around and there will be one, will answer alot of questions. If anyone is interested, we can get some non-monetary wagers going.

Didn't Jane Fonda and Ted Turned do this? You know, the Tomahawk Chop? ??? ???

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Here are the two behind the head shots Peter landed on Wladimir, the second is really bad because Wladimir had been pushed to his knee by Peter first and then hit on the back of the head.


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those videos are privated :(

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I've said this like a million times that's why. If Wlad is that scared to get punched in his face that he turns his head that's not necessarily Peters fault. Think about that.

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It's not just vs Wlad....it's not like it was a one time thing that Sam Peter did, he's done it to NUMEROUS fighters.....don't bullshit Sam Peter rabbit punches and it's illegal and unlike clinching it can KILL people

and if Sam Peter or ANYONE ELSE for that matter is good enough to beat Wlad they need to know how to not get tied up, if tying someone up made champions then hell Stuart Smalley could be undefeated undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World.....the holding is an EXCUSE and that is all...get over it

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I've said this like a million times that's why. If Wlad is that scared to get punched in his face that he turns his head that's not necessarily Peters fault. Think about that.

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It's not just vs Wlad....it's not like it was a one time thing that Sam Peter did, he's done it to NUMEROUS fighters.....don't bullshit Sam Peter rabbit punches and it's illegal and unlike clinching it can KILL people

and if Sam Peter or ANYONE ELSE for that matter is good enough to beat Wlad they need to know how to not get tied up, if tying someone up made champions then hell Stuart Smalley could be undefeated undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World.....the holding is an EXCUSE and that is all...get over it

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:coolclick: Although I'm not a huge fan of Wladdy, I entirely agree. I've heard that Peter was warned in the second Toney fight and began to really watch, and even withdraw, commitments to punches he threw against Toney. The bolo punches aren't good. I'm saying that as a Boxing Fan. They are deadly and can kill someone. That's not what this
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Well, I'm not sure he is throwing "bolo punches" ala Kid Gavilan or Louis "Feo" Rodriguez. They are rabbit punches when thet hit the back of an opponent's neck and are illigal. The ones to the back of a head are also " no-no's." Those are clubbing punches but tecnically are not rabbit punches. Bolo punches are perfectly legal as long as they are above the belt. Very few fighters use them becaus they take too much time. Naco Barrio is onethat does.

Bolo punches are not one of the traditional boxing punches (jab, uppercut, hook and cross) and they are seldom used.

The bolo punch might not even be thrown at all. It really is a circular motion that one boxer does with one of his arms to distract the opponent, causing the opponent either to take his eyes off the attacker's other arm, or actually focus on the fighter's other arm. When the opponent concentrates on the punch that is circling, usually the bolo puncher would sneak in a punch with the hand that is being sustained. When the rival concentrates on the hand that is not moving, then the bolo puncher usually uses the bolo punch to attack his target.

Ceferino Garcia is commonly referred to as the inventor of the bolo punch.. Garcia, Kid Gavilan and Sugar Ray Leonard are widely recognized as three of the best bolo punchers in boxing history.

When asked once how he came to develop the wide sweeping uppercut, Garcia said when he was a youth he used to cut sugarcane in the Philippine Islands, with a bolo knife, which he wielded in a sweeping uppercut fashion.

Two of the most famous cases of a fighter using the bolo punch were when Leonard avenged his loss to Roberto Duran ("The No Más Fight") and when Leonard drew with Thomas Hearns in their second fight


From web.

A rabbit punch is a punch to the neck or to the base of the skull. It is considered dangerous because it can damage the cervical vertebrae and subsequently the spinal cord, which may lead to serious spinal cord injury or even death. For this reason the punch is illegal in boxing[1] and many other combat sports that involve striking. The punch's name is derived from the use of the technique by hunters to kill rabbits with a quick, sharp strike to the back of the head, for instance using a blunt object such as a steel pipe.[2]


[edit] References
^ Sugar, Bert. Boxing. www.owingsmillsboxingclub.com. URL last accessed February 26, 2006.
^ Langer, Richard. Extract from "Grow it!". www.motherearthnews.com. URL last accessed February

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Well, I'm not sure he is throwing "bolo punches" ala Kid Gavilan or Louis "Feo" Rodriguez. They are rabbit punches when thet hit the back of an opponent's neck and are illigal. The ones to the back of a head are also " no-no's." Those are clubbing punches but tecnically are not rabbit punches. Bolo punches are perfectly legal as long as they are above the belt. Very few fighters use them becaus they take too much time. Naco Barrio is onethat does.

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I'm being a bit facetious, Ted. Of course I'm not referring to the "bolo punches" of the Kid Gavilan and Sugar Ray Leonard days. They are just very dramatic and telegraphed blows to the back of the head that can be lethal. I'm sure, as we are both boxing fans, you wouldn't want to see a fighter get killed in the ring over such flagrant indiscretions.

Of course not. I have seen way too many ring deaths over the years. I think Sam has to discipline himself on this. By the same token, I know of no fighter who was ever been seriously hurt by a rabbit punch. I'm sure it has happened, but the talking heads give it more due than it's worth. Jim "I'm out on bail" Lampley, Farhood, Bernstein, Merchant and the other imbeciles.

It's up to the referee to control this. If the fighter keeps his head down, he owns it unless it is willfully done. IMO

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I've said this like a million times that's why. If Wlad is that scared to get punched in his face that he turns his head that's not necessarily Peters fault. Think about that.

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It's not just vs Wlad....it's not like it was a one time thing that Sam Peter did, he's done it to NUMEROUS fighters.....don't bullshit Sam Peter rabbit punches and it's illegal and unlike clinching it can KILL people

and if Sam Peter or ANYONE ELSE for that matter is good enough to beat Wlad they need to know how to not get tied up, if tying someone up made champions then hell Stuart Smalley could be undefeated undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World.....the holding is an EXCUSE and that is all...get over it

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:coolclick: Although I'm not a huge fan of Wladdy, I entirely agree. I've heard that Peter was warned in the second Toney fight and began to really watch, and even withdraw, commitments to punches he threw against Toney. The bolo punches aren't good. I'm saying that as a Boxing Fan. They are deadly and can kill someone. That's not what this
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Trust me, I feel you on that but you gotta see the fight to see how it happened. Don't go by Lyle cause he's just a Peter basher. Toney had his head down almost the whole fight. Peter has some heavy, heavy hands and guys just don't like getting hit by him so they turn their head alot. I hope you get to see the fight soon so you can see what I'm talking about.

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Of course not. I have seen way too many ring deaths over the years. I think Sam has to discipline himself on this. By the same token, I know of no fighter who was ever been seriously hurt by a rabbit punch. I'm sure it has happened, but the talking heads give it more due than it's worth. Jim "I'm out on bail" Lampley, Farhood, Bernstein, Merchant and the other imbeciles.

It's up to the referee to control this. If the fighter keeps his head down, he owns it unless it is willfully done. IMO

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Yeah, I'm in agreement with you on this, Ted. But heavy impact to portions of the skull can create a subdural hematoma, which in many cases are lethal. I don't think Peter throws these punches intentionally; he's a stand-up guy with a great personality and I think (from what I heard) he was admonished once for doing that in the Toney rematch and even pulled punches that may have hit the back of the head.
I'm not a Neurologist, but I know that these impacts can cause great damage and lead to a boxers death. I, like yourself, wouldn't want to see that happen. Perhaps Lampley and team are being a bit hyperbolic with this issue, but I take it pretty serious. I don't think Samuel will be doing that much more in the ring.

HHHhhmmm. Wonder where Lampley hit his chick? ???

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Dumb bitch kept pinching his dope

Dumb, but oh so sweet...... :lickish: :lickish: :lickish: :lickish: :lickish:

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Of course not. I have seen way too many ring deaths over the years. I think Sam has to discipline himself on this. By the same token, I know of no fighter who was ever been seriously hurt by a rabbit punch. I'm sure it has happened, but the talking heads give it more due than it's worth. Jim "I'm out on bail" Lampley, Farhood, Bernstein, Merchant and the other imbeciles.

It's up to the referee to control this. If the fighter keeps his head down, he owns it unless it is willfully done. IMO

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CC...that's exactly my point.

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Of course not. I have seen way too many ring deaths over the years. I think Sam has to discipline himself on this. By the same token, I know of no fighter who was ever been seriously hurt by a rabbit punch. I'm sure it has happened, but the talking heads give it more due than it's worth. Jim "I'm out on bail" Lampley, Farhood, Bernstein, Merchant and the other imbeciles.

It's up to the referee to control this. If the fighter keeps his head down, he owns it unless it is willfully done. IMO

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CC...that's exactly my point.

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so if i repeatedly head butt someone until their eye falls out of his head its ok as long as the ref lets it happen? Your ok with that?

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jeah I know, but I just think its the refs fault for allowing that crap not wlads, I mean its what the ref gets paid to do, and well we could argue he didnt do to good a effin job in that one...plus I had to defend wlad just cause he seems like a really good person doin that charity work and everything so hard to not defend him for me, but I do totally get what your saying too.

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I was a big time Wlad fan before that fight believe it or not and he just completely lost my respect. At first I gave him the benefit of the doubt but then I saw him do it against feather fisted Byrd and that was the last straw.

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so, you hate vlad cuz he was allowed to do something..... but the rabbit punches from peter are ok cuz he was allowed to do it?
im confused...help!

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A rabbit punch is a punch to the neck or to the base of the skull. It is considered dangerous because it can damage the cervical vertebrae and subsequently the spinal cord, which may lead to serious spinal cord injury or even death. For this reason the punch is illegal in boxing[1] and many other combat sports that involve striking. The punch's name is derived from the use of the technique by hunters to kill rabbits with a quick, sharp strike to the back of the head, for instance using a blunt object such as a steel pipe.[2]


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^ Sugar, Bert. Boxing. www.owingsmillsboxingclub.com. URL last accessed February 26, 2006.
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Of course not. I have seen way too many ring deaths over the years. I think Sam has to discipline himself on this. By the same token, I know of no fighter who was ever been seriously hurt by a rabbit punch. I'm sure it has happened, but the talking heads give it more due than it's worth. Jim "I'm out on bail" Lampley, Farhood, Bernstein, Merchant and the other imbeciles.

It's up to the referee to control this. If the fighter keeps his head down, he owns it unless it is willfully done. IMO

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man, what is goin on???
i dont mean to pick on bx730 or ted, but
You guys are contradicting yourselves.

one guy says that he disrespects a fighter because he does something in the ring that isnt right, even though the ref allows it, but then says its ok that a different fighter does something he shouldnt because the ref allows it..

then another guy says, hey! doing this can KILL SOMEONE
but then he says, hey it hasnt killed someone yet, so, its no big deal...
Help me!!!
lol jk guys,
but help me understand

Ask Gerald McClellan what rabbit punches do


Anyways yes I think this match will be a bit better than their first meeting but I still believe Wlad's offense has Sam on defense the whole night. Sam throws one punch at a time and even if he tries to get a combo in Wlad will drop a power punch on him to stop it.

Sam Peter sounds greatly improved but let him fight Maskaev to get the belt before we really consider the rematch.

I say that because the heavyweight division is full of guys who are great one night and then off for their next fight....Sam Peter and Wladimir Klitschko are no different than anyone else in the division it's tough for these big guys to have 2 good fights in a row.

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Anyways yes I think this match will be a bit better than their first meeting but I still believe Wlad's offense has Sam on defense the whole night. Sam throws one punch at a time and even if he tries to get a combo in Wlad will drop a power punch on him to stop it.

Sam Peter sounds greatly improved but let him fight Maskaev to get the belt before we really consider the rematch.

I say that because the heavyweight division is full of guys who are great one night and then off for their next fight....Sam Peter and Wladimir Klitschko are no different than anyone else in the division it's tough for these big guys to have 2 good fights in a row.

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Huh? Rabbit punches? You mean head butts, don't you?

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A rabbit punch is a punch to the neck or to the base of the skull. It is considered dangerous because it can damage the cervical vertebrae and subsequently the spinal cord, which may lead to serious spinal cord injury or even death. For this reason the punch is illegal in boxing[1] and many other combat sports that involve striking. The punch's name is derived from the use of the technique by hunters to kill rabbits with a quick, sharp strike to the back of the head, for instance using a blunt object such as a steel pipe.[2]


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^ Sugar, Bert. Boxing. www.owingsmillsboxingclub.com. URL last accessed February 26, 2006.
^ Langer, Richard. Extract from "Grow it!". www.motherearthnews.com. URL last accessed February

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Of course not. I have seen way too many ring deaths over the years. I think Sam has to discipline himself on this. By the same token, I know of no fighter who was ever been seriously hurt by a rabbit punch. I'm sure it has happened, but the talking heads give it more due than it's worth. Jim "I'm out on bail" Lampley, Farhood, Bernstein, Merchant and the other imbeciles.

It's up to the referee to control this. If the fighter keeps his head down, he owns it unless it is willfully done. IMO

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man, what is goin on???
i dont mean to pick on bx730 or ted, but
You guys are contradicting yourselves.

one guy says that he disrespects a fighter because he does something in the ring that isnt right, even though the ref allows it, but then says its ok that a different fighter does something he shouldnt because the ref allows it..

then another guy says, hey! doing this can KILL SOMEONE
but then he says, hey it hasnt killed someone yet, so, its no big deal...
Help me!!!
lol jk guys,
but help me understand

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Exactly how am I contadicting myself? Where? What I am saying is that Sam needs to better discipline himself on the punches behind the head. I am also saying that the damage they do gets more hyoe than is warranted. Where is there a contradiction. Hitting behind the head can cost a fighter ponts. Sam n3eeds to avoid this.

What are we doing here? Playing "I gotcha " games? You want to talk about a career disabling foul, let's discuss wilful head butts.

ok, which would you rather take, a headbutt from holyfield or a punch to the back of the head from peter?
If you have recieved both, im sure youll pick the headbutt, both are wrong to do, and both should lead to point deduction, or DQ
But the punch to the back of the noggin will friggen Kill you.

this might be where im confused...

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Exactly how am I contadicting myself? Where? What I am saying is that Sam needs to better discipline himself on the punches behind the head. I am also saying that the damage they do gets more hyoe than is warranted. Where is there a contradiction. Hitting behind the head can cost a fighter ponts. Sam n3eeds to avoid this.

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what do you mean it gets more hype than is warranted?

What I mean is exactly what you are doing here. You are saying that a punch behind the back of the head will kill you, but can you give me some examples of that? I can give examples of where head butts probably ruined some careers, but I can't give you examples of rabbit punches doing the same. That's what I mean when I say more hype than is warranted. Capiche?

nope...
with that same line of thinking, i suppose a man jumping off mount saint helen shouldn't hurt nearly as much as falling off a bed, seeing as though one happens more than the other, and the fact that i can recall someone getting hurt from the fall from the bed, and not the mountain.
Listen, head butts happen, whether on accident, or on purpose.... And a lot of times it happens so quick ref's don't even notice until a cut is present.... but just because 1 happens more than the other doesn't omit the fact that Punches behind the head are a lot more dangerous than head butts....
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?????????????? Man, don't you get it? Read my comments. Like I said, if you want me to say you are right so you can have a peaceful evening, then you are right. Problem is, you are wrong.

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i think if he takes big vladdys hardest shot dead on he gets KTFO tho, cuz he has that diesel ass neck and he doesnt roll with punches, he kind of stiffens his neck up

Eh???....Depends on how many....people also forget something..Even if a guy has a granite jaw as Peter has shown...After a while that jaw is not granite anymore...Like anything it starts to deteriorate...Is it nice to know that it is there just in case? Of course...but soften it up to much and everyone gets to put a crack in it....Just a matter of nature

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?????????????? Man, don't you get it? Read my comments. Like I said, if you want me to say you are right so you can have a peaceful evening, then you are right. Problem is, you are wrong.

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How so..you can say it all day long...
But until you can prove it = :beat:
just like how u think head butts are worse than rabbit punches...

Bugger off, Deauce. Don't have anymore time for you.