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Re: Hatton: I never intended to remain at WW
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Im afraid that Ricky is as good as hes going to get, his best days were 3 years ago, has nobody else noticed the snap and motorization isnt there as it once was have a good look.
:coolclick: Very good point. Totally agree...but if he takes some smart matches...he can pull it out...thing is...smart matches aint gonna get Hatton anymore love or respect.
Honestly...everyone rips into Floyd's (& I hate to bring him in to this discussion...but everyone else does...so why can't Wacko? ;D ) resume...but if Hatton were to get sparked out by (god forbid) Urango or Castillo (respectable loss if it happens) then the only thing on Ricky's record down the line is Kostya.
Believe me...I want to see Hatton win some big fights...but it's debatable if he does.
You feel me?
Come on man........if Mayweather beat Kostya we would never hear the end of it. Why should Rick be any differerent? He walked through some sick shots to win that fight and any other 140 fighter would have been on his a***.
Okay...great. But how do people rip into a fighter like Floyd one so technically gifted...one that breezed through all of his 37 challenges & some great fighters (that everyone likes to forget) & then laude a fighter with a career record of only two worthy fighters out of 41 bouts.
It just don't make sense. Again...I like Hatton...but fair is unfair & right is wrong when it comes to Floyd with his critics & especially Hatton fans trying to plead his case.
No offense.
Cuz he ain't a British fighter. They ignored the garbage Hatton and his buddy (Calzaghe) fight through out the years. But bad mouth Mayweather. Cc Wack for telling it like it is.
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Re: Hatton: I never intended to remain at WW
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Why is it that Hatton would move to 147 to fight Mayweather but not Collazo? It's because he feels he loses to both of them. Only with Mayweather he gets big pay for his loss.
It's not rocket science is it? Mayweather aint a big hitter at 147 and he certainly aint a full blown welter.
But Collazo is a murderous puncher, right?
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Yea exactly.. I rememberr before Hatton fought Collazo people said his weakness(luis) was that he had very little pop.
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Why is it that Hatton would move to 147 to fight Mayweather but not Collazo? It's because he feels he loses to both of them. Only with Mayweather he gets big pay for his loss.
It's not rocket science is it? Mayweather aint a big hitter at 147 and he certainly aint a full blown welter.
But Collazo is a murderous puncher, right?
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Yea exactly.. I rememberr before Hatton fought Collazo people said his weakness(luis) was that he had very little pop.
That's exactly why they picked Collazo. They taught he was a weak champion who couldn't punch. Collazo was bad mouthed so much that Frank Warren even had footage of Collazo only loss (at that time) against Edwin Cassiani on it. Saying Hatton career was not going to benefit by facing such a weak fighter. People forget that Collazo was picked by Hatton and his people. Not HBO. Collazo had only fought on Showtime before. Never on HBO. HBO was not familiar with Collazo. They only approved him cuz he was a title holder and Lazcano (a bulked up Lightweight) got hurt.
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Re: Hatton: I never intended to remain at WW
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Im afraid that Ricky is as good as hes going to get, his best days were 3 years ago, has nobody else noticed the snap and motorization isnt there as it once was have a good look.
:coolclick: Very good point. Totally agree...but if he takes some smart matches...he can pull it out...thing is...smart matches aint gonna get Hatton anymore love or respect.
Honestly...everyone rips into Floyd's (& I hate to bring him in to this discussion...but everyone else does...so why can't Wacko? ;D ) resume...but if Hatton were to get sparked out by (god forbid) Urango or Castillo (respectable loss if it happens) then the only thing on Ricky's record down the line is Kostya.
Believe me...I want to see Hatton win some big fights...but it's debatable if he does.
You feel me?
Come on man........if Mayweather beat Kostya we would never hear the end of it. Why should Rick be any differerent? He walked through some sick shots to win that fight and any other 140 fighter would have been on his a***.
Okay...great. But how do people rip into a fighter like Floyd one so technically gifted...one that breezed through all of his 37 challenges & some great fighters (that everyone likes to forget) & then laude a fighter with a career record of only two worthy fighters out of 41 bouts.
It just don't make sense. Again...I like Hatton...but fair is unfair & right is wrong when it comes to Floyd with his critics & especially Hatton fans trying to plead his case.
No offense.
Very good points. I think Floyd has been taking a fairly easy route to his p4p status recently but at least he has more than one name on his list.
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Re: Hatton: I never intended to remain at WW
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Why is it that Hatton would move to 147 to fight Mayweather but not Collazo? It's because he feels he loses to both of them. Only with Mayweather he gets big pay for his loss.
It's not rocket science is it? Mayweather aint a big hitter at 147 and he certainly aint a full blown welter.
But Collazo is a murderous puncher, right?
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Yea exactly.. I rememberr before Hatton fought Collazo people said his weakness(luis) was that he had very little pop.
That's exactly why they picked Collazo. They taught he was a weak champion who couldn't punch. Collazo was bad mouthed so much that Frank Warren even had footage of Collazo only loss (at that time) against Edwin Cassiani on it. Saying Hatton career was not going to benefit by facing such a weak fighter. People forget that Collazo was picked by Hatton and his people. Not HBO. Collazo had only fought on Showtime before. Never on HBO. HBO was not familiar with Collazo. They only approved him cuz he was a title holder and Lazcano (a bulked up Lightweight) got hurt.
Here's something I wanna say...& I'm just trying to be honest...I respect Hatton & I respect Calzaghe & I honestly respect Calzaghe's record more than Hatton's based on the fact that Joe was fighting live bodies...they may not have been live bodies that most American's new of...but they were live bodies & pulled their weight in the 160-175 marks.
With Hatton...I see him as more of a primo-managed Gatti. A rich man's Gatti if you will.
Surely Hatton is a bit better grouped & skilled than Gatti on a boxer's level...but he's been handled better & he's also fought a lower caliber of opposition. He's had some great fights...but not against any greats other than Kostya. The same can not be said of Gatti. While he has faltered...he's fought more world class opposition.
Now...IWO...the fault here falls down the line to his promoter...or the advantage for Hatton goes to the promoter. Get me? It's kind of he's damned if he did or didn't while with Warren. Not sure he's going to do much better now with his current backers.
Also...Scrap touched on a good point...he's late in the game now...& I honestly question the end of the road for Hatton. I wonder if he's setting himself up for a big disappointment.
That being said...this is another one of the things that agitates me regarding people tearing into Floyd's record.
As for Collazo...people say that he was underratted & that he's only made a name off of the Hatton loss/win perception...honestly...again...I'm just trying to be honest here...I had only seen him once or twice...& no matter who he fights...the kid does well & that is that.
I wasn't swayed over to his favor by the fact that it was Hatton that he lost to...I was swayed by the fact that he boxed Hatton's ass off for the duration of the fight, brawled & boxed with the brawler, & that he recovered from the knock down so easily.
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Re: Hatton: I never intended to remain at WW
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Very good points. I think Floyd has been taking a fairly easy route to his p4p status recently but at least he has more than one name on his list.
I guess that it's all in how you look at it.
I don't see it as he's taking the easiest routes...he's still fighting good opposition...just not the best. This P4P thing is such a double edged sword...but then again...so is a boxing fan's outlook in general.
Jones & Hopkins during their P4P status never fought the top caliber...but most fans & media were bending over backwards to blow them both.
Take Cotto for instance. I love Cotto...but truth be what it should be...he's fought no one of real merit either & when he did...they had already been chopped down prior to him getting ahold of them.
People are just overly critical of Floyd. Take the Baldomir arguement. Baldo hadn't been beaten in either 19 or 20 fights prior to getting beaten by Floyd. He had beaten Judah & Gatti of recent date & they were still being considered as stars & competitive opposition.
After Floyd beat the three of the above names...everyone back pedaled & said that they were all trash. It's bullshit.
That being said...& you know I like to try to keep it as real as I can ( ;) ;D )...I have always screamed that Judah & Gatti sucked. ;D
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Re: Hatton: I never intended to remain at WW
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Very good points. I think Floyd has been taking a fairly easy route to his p4p status recently but at least he has more than one name on his list.
I guess that it's all in how you look at it.
I don't see it as he's taking the easiest routes...he's still fighting good opposition...just not the best. This P4P thing is such a double edged sword...but then again...so is a boxing fan's outlook in general.
Jones & Hopkins during their P4P status never fought the top caliber...but most fans & media were bending over backwards to blow them both.
Take Cotto for instance. I love Cotto...but truth be what it should be...he's fought no one of real merit either & when he did...they had already been chopped down prior to him getting ahold of them.
People are just overly critical of Floyd. Take the Baldomir arguement. Baldo hadn't been beaten in either 19 or 20 fights prior to getting beaten by Floyd. He had beaten Judah & Gatti of recent date & they were still being considered as stars & competitive opposition.
After Floyd beat the three of the above names...everyone back pedaled & said that they were all trash. It's bullshit.
That being said...& you know I like to try to keep it as real as I can ( ;) ;D )...
I have always screamed that Judah & Gatti sucked. ;D
And so did Floyd ;D
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Very good points. I think Floyd has been taking a fairly easy route to his p4p status recently but at least he has more than one name on his list.
I guess that it's all in how you look at it.
I don't see it as he's taking the easiest routes...he's still fighting good opposition...just not the best. This P4P thing is such a double edged sword...but then again...so is a boxing fan's outlook in general.
Jones & Hopkins during their P4P status never fought the top caliber...but most fans & media were bending over backwards to blow them both.
Take Cotto for instance. I love Cotto...but truth be what it should be...he's fought no one of real merit either & when he did...they had already been chopped down prior to him getting ahold of them.
People are just overly critical of Floyd. Take the Baldomir arguement. Baldo hadn't been beaten in either 19 or 20 fights prior to getting beaten by Floyd. He had beaten Judah & Gatti of recent date & they were still being considered as stars & competitive opposition.
After Floyd beat the three of the above names...everyone back pedaled & said that they were all trash. It's bullshit.
That being said...& you know I like to try to keep it as real as I can ( ;) ;D )...
I have always screamed that Judah & Gatti sucked. ;D
And so did Floyd ;D
Disagree there. He gave Judah props for being a great fighter...but one that always fell apart when the going got tuff...he proved that.
As far as Gatti goes...that is the one fight that Floyd should have always taken from a marketing standpoint but never really REALLY wanted. HBO pushed that one & it up Floyd's status.
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Re: Hatton: I never intended to remain at WW
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
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Very good points. I think Floyd has been taking a fairly easy route to his p4p status recently but at least he has more than one name on his list.
I guess that it's all in how you look at it.
I don't see it as he's taking the easiest routes...he's still fighting good opposition...just not the best. This P4P thing is such a double edged sword...but then again...so is a boxing fan's outlook in general.
Jones & Hopkins during their P4P status never fought the top caliber...but most fans & media were bending over backwards to blow them both.
Take Cotto for instance. I love Cotto...but truth be what it should be...he's fought no one of real merit either & when he did...they had already been chopped down prior to him getting ahold of them.
People are just overly critical of Floyd. Take the Baldomir arguement. Baldo hadn't been beaten in either 19 or 20 fights prior to getting beaten by Floyd. He had beaten Judah & Gatti of recent date & they were still being considered as stars & competitive opposition.
After Floyd beat the three of the above names...everyone back pedaled & said that they were all trash. It's bullshit.
That being said...& you know I like to try to keep it as real as I can ( ;) ;D )...
I have always screamed that Judah & Gatti sucked. ;D
And so did Floyd ;D
Disagree there. He gave Judah props for being a great fighter...but one that always fell apart when the going got tuff...he proved that.
As far as Gatti goes...that is the one fight that Floyd should have always taken from a marketing standpoint but never really REALLY wanted. HBO pushed that one & it up Floyd's status.
;)
What floyd didn't ever say "Come 8th of April its gon' be easy work," ;)
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Re: Hatton: I never intended to remain at WW
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Very good points. I think Floyd has been taking a fairly easy route to his p4p status recently but at least he has more than one name on his list.
I guess that it's all in how you look at it.
I don't see it as he's taking the easiest routes...he's still fighting good opposition...just not the best. This P4P thing is such a double edged sword...but then again...so is a boxing fan's outlook in general.
Jones & Hopkins during their P4P status never fought the top caliber...but most fans & media were bending over backwards to blow them both.
Take Cotto for instance. I love Cotto...but truth be what it should be...he's fought no one of real merit either & when he did...they had already been chopped down prior to him getting ahold of them.
People are just overly critical of Floyd. Take the Baldomir arguement. Baldo hadn't been beaten in either 19 or 20 fights prior to getting beaten by Floyd. He had beaten Judah & Gatti of recent date & they were still being considered as stars & competitive opposition.
After Floyd beat the three of the above names...everyone back pedaled & said that they were all trash. It's bullshit.
That being said...& you know I like to try to keep it as real as I can ( ;) ;D )...
I have always screamed that Judah & Gatti sucked. ;D
And so did Floyd ;D
Disagree there. He gave Judah props for being a great fighter...but one that always fell apart when the going got tuff...he proved that.
As far as Gatti goes...that is the one fight that Floyd should have always taken from a marketing standpoint but never really REALLY wanted. HBO pushed that one & it up Floyd's status.
;)
What floyd didn't ever say "Come 8th of April its gon' be easy work," ;)
He said that about pretty much everyone...as does pretty much every other fighter out there. ;)
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Thats true I'm ragging on your chain, although most fighters say "I've got the tools," or "Nothing will stop me," where as Floyd will say "it's easy work," which in a way sells himself short because not much Floyd Mayweather does is easy work. Nothing against him, thats his style and you can't diss him for it. He's lived up to all the talk,
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Re: Hatton: I never intended to remain at WW
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Thats true I'm ragging on your chain
:coolclick: You always do...I wouldn't have it any other way babe. ;)
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although most fighters say "I've got the tools," or "Nothing will stop me," where as Floyd will say "it's easy work," which in a way sells himself short because not much Floyd Mayweather does is easy work. Nothing against him, thats his style and you can't diss him for it. He's lived up to all the talk,
You know...it's funny that you say that because I'm watching Floyd vs Baldomir right now & all the way through the 7th round so far Floyd has totally dominated him but everytime that Baldo lands a half assed shot...& I mean half assed...not half decent...the crowd goes wild.
Everyone wants to see Floyd get beaten.
Kills me. To each his own.
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Re: Hatton: I never intended to remain at WW
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Thats bs!!..Ive been saying that for months..That is the true story..I dont even have to read it cos i bet it says i planned fighting lazcano!! Which he did..No excuse.. Lazcano injured his hand and something else i forget!! ..
You talk like he only just made that excuse up.. Its true..dont hate just because he had one hard fight..
He did mention that Lazcano hurt his hand and the fight was called but he made amillion and 1 excuses why he moved back down in weight.
If you read his book you will find out what really happened. To be honest he is telling the truth. He was training to fight Lazcano and lazcano pulled out injured. HBO wudnt accept any other junior-welterweight fighter, especially not his mandatories. So he had to look at Welterweight and the only champion available (who could fight on the date HBO set) was Collazo. Its that simple. He didnt want to lose the 13th may date because he had already been inactive for around 7 months so Collazo was really his only option. So basically he did only have 7 weeks to train for Welter. Simple as. Billy Graham didnt even want him to take the fight.
He's naturally a light welter and thats where his future should lie. I agree he should only move up to fight Mayweather or Cotto.
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Re: Hatton: I never intended to remain at WW
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Why is it that Hatton would move to 147 to fight Mayweather but not Collazo? It's because he feels he loses to both of them. Only with Mayweather he gets big pay for his loss.
It's not rocket science is it? Mayweather aint a big hitter at 147 and he certainly aint a full blown welter.
But Collazo is a murderous puncher, right?
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Yea exactly.. I rememberr before Hatton fought Collazo people said his weakness(luis) was that he had very little pop.
That's exactly why they picked Collazo. They taught he was a weak champion who couldn't punch. Collazo was bad mouthed so much that Frank Warren even had footage of Collazo only loss (at that time) against Edwin Cassiani on it. Saying Hatton career was not going to benefit by facing such a weak fighter. People forget that Collazo was picked by Hatton and his people. Not HBO. Collazo had only fought on Showtime before. Never on HBO. HBO was not familiar with Collazo. They only approved him cuz he was a title holder and Lazcano (a bulked up Lightweight) got hurt.
I'M WRITING IN CAPS LOCK BECAUSE YOU'RE AN IDIOT WHO DOESN'T LISTEN. RICKY PICKED COLLAZO BECAUSE HBO REJECTED ALL THE OTHER OPTIONS. HATTON DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE THE DATE. HATTON WASN'T EVEN PROMOTED BY FRANK WARREN WHEN HE FOUGHT COLLAZO YOU DIV. HATTONS' PEOPLE TOLD HATTON NOT TO FIGHT COLLAZO. HATTON REJECTED HIS CAMPS ADVICE.
ALSO HATTON HAD NO PLANS TO STAY AT WELTER. HE ONLY MOVED UP FOR THE ONE FIGHT BECAUSE HE DIDNT WANT TO LOSE THE HBO DATE. THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT. TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.
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Re: Hatton: I never intended to remain at WW
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F Hatton.
I mean, he is in the top 3 @ 140, but I wish he wouldn't stoop to this level.
Face it Ricky, you were trying to chase the big money fight with Floyd, but realized you can't keep up witht the big boys.
You sir are a hater or an idiot...
Probably both ;) ::**
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So the Mayweather fight wont be happening.
Dont worry scrap...
He has infact said that the only fight he will take at welter will be floyd. :)
And the talk of the collazo rematch..Well..Granted ricky should not have promised the rematch..
But in all fairness 140 is his division..And for as long as he can keep making it..Which is likely forever the way ricky trains and he is very diciplined..
He wanted lazcano..Hell i wanted to see lazcano..And it sounds like excuses excuses..But seriously..
7 Weeks to fill out into 147 is not enough..And fwok talk of cintron and all these..
In all honesty..Collazo was the best kept secret at welter..He is a seriously bad fighter.. Im a real fan of his..
But ricky won that fight by one point..Thats for the knockdown..Its was close..TOO CLOSE!!..
But ricky won.. You cant take that away..And he'll carry on doing what he do at 140..
Peace
Neither.
I have all the respect for him @ 140, nor am I an idiot.
I just don't think he deserved the win against Collazo. He's doing the right thing to go back down to 140, but he just can't admit that it was because he had a difficult time with his first fight in that division against someone he thought he would have an easy time with.
C'mon Tito, you don't think that if the Collazo fight wasn't as close/controversial (or he didn't get such a boxing lesson), perhaps an early KO, he wouldn't be getting in line to fight a cotto or mayweather? (BTW, Collazo should not have been charged for Knock down in the first round)
So don't be so sensitive and defensive with your outburts of rhetorical innuendos.
And keep your little graphical dramatics to your self, they are for sissies.
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Re: Hatton: I never intended to remain at WW
The Collazo fight was a close decision no doubt, but it wasn't that controversial IMO. I am not arguing that Rick didn't think it was going to be easier than it was, as almost everyone else was expecting the same. Hatton may have made different choices had his performance been better but that doesn't prove anything. I can't believe that some expect him to admit that he found it too tough as the reason for moving back down. As he gets older it may be harder to make LW and so he may have to fight at Welter again.
Danno, suggesting that he got a boxing lesson is stretching it a little too far as that suggests it was all one sided, which cannot be said otherwise it wouldn't be generally acknowledged as a close decision.
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Danno, suggesting that he got a boxing lesson is stretching it a little too far as that suggests it was all one sided, which cannot be said otherwise it wouldn't be generally acknowledged as a close decision.
Ok, maybe it was only his left eye that got the lesson.
http://www.fighter-online.com/WE04JU...on2_hatton.jpg
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Danno, suggesting that he got a boxing lesson is stretching it a little too far as that suggests it was all one sided, which cannot be said otherwise it wouldn't be generally acknowledged as a close decision.
Ok, maybe it was only his left eye that got the lesson.
http://www.fighter-online.com/WE04JU...on2_hatton.jpg
In Ricky's own words "It's not a tickling contest" ;D
Ricky expects to get hit, atleast he came to the interview without sunglasses on and was man enough to show his battle scars ;)
I carnt believe the whole Collazo debate still rages TBO.
The only reason Ricky will move back up to Welter is if it's for Mayweather or possibly Cotto, and that in his own words. I dont think he's scared of Collazo at all, and suggest that is ridiculous.
Some great points made by Wacko regards to the management of Ricky through his career and the lack of truely top class fight's. I've always stated that Warren bled Ricky dry. Hatton should of got rid of him well before he did.
I also find it funny that for almost two pages of this topic the discussion referred to Floyd :o Wacko, i blame you ::**
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Some great points made by Wacko regards to the management of Ricky through his career and the lack of truely top class fight's. I've always stated that Warren bled Ricky dry. Hatton should of got rid of him well before he did.
Thanks babe. :coolclick:
Anywho, IWO, Warren kept Hatton stagnant for waaaaaaaaaay to long & it will cost him a meaningful legacy...unless he comes out & shocks the world by beating Mayweather...I just think that he's in for a shocker once he faces Castillo.
Am, I the only one that's concerned with that?
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I also find it funny that for almost two pages of this topic the discussion referred to Floyd :o Wacko, i blame you ::**
They always do...they always do. ;D
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I don't believe for a milli second that Hatton means that 8)
If he could hack it at Welter then he would.
F*ck me who wouldn't wanna be a 2 weight champ if they could..? ;)
He didn't like what he found at Welter....Simple as that ;D
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I don't believe for a milli second that Hatton means that 8)
If he could hack it at Welter then he would.
F*ck me who wouldn't wanna be a 2 weight champ if they could..? ;)
He didn't like what he found at Welter....Simple as that ;D
Yep. That's the silliest thing that I have ever heard.
"I just moved up to fight Lazcano?"
That's bullshit. He would follow Floyd & Cotto up as far as he could physically go...thing is...he couldn't cut it @ 147 & it was against a lesser fighter than Cotto or Floyd that he proved it.
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Im a Huge Hatton fan but you've nailed it spot on mate.
I say what i see and i've said what i saw 8)
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Am, I the only one that's concerned with that?
No your not, I've been pissed off with it for some time. For all i love going to watch Ricky fight live and the afterfight party's etc, it does piss ya off when he's fighting bum's that he should'nt be in the ring with, and your spending good money to put up with it >:mad
Im a firm believer that if you matched Ricky against all of Gatti's opponents then Hatton would fare much the better, if at LWW or WW ;)
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Thats bs!!..Ive been saying that for months..That is the true story..I dont even have to read it cos i bet it says i planned fighting lazcano!! Which he did..No excuse.. Lazcano injured his hand and something else i forget!! ..
You talk like he only just made that excuse up.. Its true..dont hate just because he had one hard fight..
He did mention that Lazcano hurt his hand and the fight was called but he made amillion and 1 excuses why he moved back down in weight.
If you read his book you will find out what really happened. To be honest he is telling the truth. He was training to fight Lazcano and lazcano pulled out injured. HBO wudnt accept any other junior-welterweight fighter, especially not his mandatories. So he had to look at Welterweight and the only champion available (who could fight on the date HBO set) was Collazo. Its that simple. He didnt want to lose the 13th may date because he had already been inactive for around 7 months so Collazo was really his only option. So basically he did only have 7 weeks to train for Welter. Simple as. Billy Graham didnt even want him to take the fight.
He's naturally a light welter and thats where his future should lie. I agree he should only move up to fight Mayweather or Cotto.
So reading Hatton's book will tell me the truth, right? Nothing but facts in it. No lies, huh? Damn, your stupid. IT'S HATTONS BOOK! OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO SAY THAT. He ain't going to say "I know I really lost to Collazo." "I'm scared to give him a rematch". He's going to make himself look good. And fools like you believe everything in it.
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Thats bs!!..Ive been saying that for months..That is the true story..I dont even have to read it cos i bet it says i planned fighting lazcano!! Which he did..No excuse.. Lazcano injured his hand and something else i forget!! ..
You talk like he only just made that excuse up.. Its true..dont hate just because he had one hard fight..
He did mention that Lazcano hurt his hand and the fight was called but he made amillion and 1 excuses why he moved back down in weight.
If you read his book you will find out what really happened. To be honest he is telling the truth. He was training to fight Lazcano and lazcano pulled out injured. HBO wudnt accept any other junior-welterweight fighter, especially not his mandatories. So he had to look at Welterweight and the only champion available (who could fight on the date HBO set) was Collazo. Its that simple. He didnt want to lose the 13th may date because he had already been inactive for around 7 months so Collazo was really his only option. So basically he did only have 7 weeks to train for Welter. Simple as. Billy Graham didnt even want him to take the fight.
He's naturally a light welter and thats where his future should lie. I agree he should only move up to fight Mayweather or Cotto.
So reading Hatton's book will tell me the truth, right? Nothing but facts in it. No lies, huh? Damn, your stupid. IT'S HATTONS BOOK! OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO SAY THAT. He ain't going to say "I know I really lost to Collazo." "I'm scared to give him a rematch". He's going to make himself look good. And fools like you believe everything in it.
For the record VD the book was written before the Collazo fight. The is no reference to the fight in his book ;)
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Thats bs!!..Ive been saying that for months..That is the true story..I dont even have to read it cos i bet it says i planned fighting lazcano!! Which he did..No excuse.. Lazcano injured his hand and something else i forget!! ..
You talk like he only just made that excuse up.. Its true..dont hate just because he had one hard fight..
He did mention that Lazcano hurt his hand and the fight was called but he made amillion and 1 excuses why he moved back down in weight.
If you read his book you will find out what really happened. To be honest he is telling the truth. He was training to fight Lazcano and lazcano pulled out injured. HBO wudnt accept any other junior-welterweight fighter, especially not his mandatories. So he had to look at Welterweight and the only champion available (who could fight on the date HBO set) was Collazo. Its that simple. He didnt want to lose the 13th may date because he had already been inactive for around 7 months so Collazo was really his only option. So basically he did only have 7 weeks to train for Welter. Simple as. Billy Graham didnt even want him to take the fight.
He's naturally a light welter and thats where his future should lie. I agree he should only move up to fight Mayweather or Cotto.
So reading Hatton's book will tell me the truth, right? Nothing but facts in it. No lies, huh? Damn, your stupid. IT'S HATTONS BOOK! OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO SAY THAT. He ain't going to say "I know I really lost to Collazo." "I'm scared to give him a rematch". He's going to make himself look good. And fools like you believe everything in it.
For the record VD the book was written before the Collazo fight. The is no reference to the fight in his book ;)
Than why is this clown saying to read the book?
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Loving the fact that 2 threads concerning the Hitman are getting so much attention O0
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The fact is this.....Ricky has left many to wonder if he is the real deal or a one hit wonder (over a guy who was on the downside of his career) or if he really is gonna leave his mark on boxing. Right now as far as I can tell, he has taken nothing but backward steps since. Hatton better get serious and start taking some meaningful fights (not with guys who won their title in a fight they should have lost = Urango). You as his fans should be the ones feeling cheated.
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Im a Huge Hatton fan but you've nailed it spot on mate.
I say what i see and i've said what i saw 8)
cc for not letting the love for your fighter blind you. Definitely a breth of fresh air.
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Mattyhitman is spot on, Ive got both the Hitman books out at moment and one of the books is a diary of the build up to the Collazo fight and in it it states just that, Ricky was supposed to be fighting Lazcano but he pulled out injured and the only fight available was Collazo which he took against the wishes of his trainer Billy Graham.This is stated before the fight with Collazo even took place so I dont see why everyone keeps saying it is an excuse. Whats the point in fighting at a weight that Ricky is not 100% happy with and giving his opponents a chance at welterweight when he can still make the light welterweight and in my opinion dominate any opponent in the division he faces?
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The fact is this.....Ricky has left many to wonder if he is the real deal or a one hit wonder (over a guy who was on the downside of his career) or if he really is gonna leave his mark on boxing. Right now as far as I can tell, he has taken nothing but backward steps since. Hatton better get serious and start taking some meaningful fights (not with guys who won their title in a fight they should have lost = Urango). You as his fans should be the ones feeling cheated.
I think thats a fair point but who does he have to fight to get credit for Tszyu not being a one off? Castillo is next and he has already stated he wants Floyd or Cotto at Welter.
If Collazo beats Mosely, that is a fight I can also see happening cos it will be worth a lot more to them both.
Maussa, Collazo and Urango are all World Champions - possibly the easiest options but so were Gatti and Baldomir.
Lets not forget Tzsyu had just waltzed through Mitchell and devestatingly so...
Before that Hatton stopped Oliveria (never been stopped) and won a wide UD over Ben Tackie who was in all the Light Welter top 10 lists
His career didn't begin at Tzsyu, its just some of the oppo's that Warren matched up weren't exactly inspiring!!
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The fact is this.....Ricky has left many to wonder if he is the real deal or a one hit wonder (over a guy who was on the downside of his career) or if he really is gonna leave his mark on boxing. Right now as far as I can tell, he has taken nothing but backward steps since. Hatton better get serious and start taking some meaningful fights (not with guys who won their title in a fight they should have lost = Urango). You as his fans should be the ones feeling cheated.
I think thats a fair point but who does he have to fight to get credit for Tszyu not being a one off? Castillo is next and he has already stated he wants Floyd or Cotto at Welter.
If Collazo beats Mosely, that is a fight I can also see happening cos it will be worth a lot more to them both.
Maussa, Collazo and Urango are all World Champions - possibly the easiest options but so were Gatti and Baldomir.
Lets not forget Tzsyu had just waltzed through Mitchell and devestatingly so...
Before that Hatton stopped Oliveria (never been stopped) and won a wide UD over Ben Tackie who was in all the Light Welter top 10 lists
His career didn't begin at Tzsyu, its just some of the oppo's that Warren matched up weren't exactly inspiring!!
Even if Collazo beats Mosley (which he won't) Hatton will NOT give him a rematch, at least not in 2007
Baldomir was the lineal WW champion, not an alphabet holder, Gatti has a name that brings a big paycheck. Both smarter choices than Maussa, or Urango. Collazo was a good choice, but he took the fight on such short notice.
Mitchell has always struggled against heavy punchers. He never loses a close decision, he gets destroyed, ask Mitchell, Mayweather, Williams, Johnston or Johnson.
Ricky stopped Oliviera first, but Emmanuel Augustus stopped him faster in the very next fight and retired his ass.
I don't think Tackie was still on the top 10 light welter at the time he fought Ricky, because he it had been almost two years since he had a victory and his only notable victory was against Ray Oliviera.
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The fact is this.....Ricky has left many to wonder if he is the real deal or a one hit wonder (over a guy who was on the downside of his career) or if he really is gonna leave his mark on boxing. Right now as far as I can tell, he has taken nothing but backward steps since. Hatton better get serious and start taking some meaningful fights (not with guys who won their title in a fight they should have lost = Urango). You as his fans should be the ones feeling cheated.
I think thats a fair point but who does he have to fight to get credit for Tszyu not being a one off? Castillo is next and he has already stated he wants Floyd or Cotto at Welter.
If Collazo beats Mosely, that is a fight I can also see happening cos it will be worth a lot more to them both.
Maussa, Collazo and Urango are all World Champions - possibly the easiest options but so were Gatti and Baldomir.
Lets not forget Tzsyu had just waltzed through Mitchell and devestatingly so...
Before that Hatton stopped Oliveria (never been stopped) and won a wide UD over Ben Tackie who was in all the Light Welter top 10 lists
His career didn't begin at Tzsyu, its just some of the oppo's that Warren matched up weren't exactly inspiring!!
Even if Collazo beats Mosley (which he won't) Hatton will NOT give him a rematch, at least not in 2007
Baldomir was the lineal WW champion, not an alphabet holder, Gatti has a name that brings a big paycheck. Both smarter choices than Maussa, or Urango. Collazo was a good choice, but he took the fight on such short notice.
Mitchell has always struggled against heavy punchers. He never loses a close decision, he gets destroyed, ask Mitchell, Mayweather, Williams, Johnston or Johnson.
Ricky stopped Oliviera first, but Emmanuel Augustus stopped him faster in the very next fight and retired his a**.
I don't think Tackie was still on the top 10 light welter at the time he fought Ricky, because he it had been almost two years since he had a victory and his only notable victory was against Ray Oliviera.
Baldi and Gatti were easy options though regardless of the spin put on it.
Maussa/Urango/Collazo were smart options because they are 'on paper' winnable fights against World Champions. Maussa and Collazo weren't paper champions.
Even if Hatton beats Castillo convincingly it won'y convince some people cos they'll say he is a blown up Lightweight and Mayweather beat him years ago.
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The fact is this.....Ricky has left many to wonder if he is the real deal or a one hit wonder (over a guy who was on the downside of his career) or if he really is gonna leave his mark on boxing. Right now as far as I can tell, he has taken nothing but backward steps since. Hatton better get serious and start taking some meaningful fights (not with guys who won their title in a fight they should have lost = Urango). You as his fans should be the ones feeling cheated.
I think thats a fair point but who does he have to fight to get credit for Tszyu not being a one off? Castillo is next and he has already stated he wants Floyd or Cotto at Welter.
If Collazo beats Mosely, that is a fight I can also see happening cos it will be worth a lot more to them both.
Maussa, Collazo and Urango are all World Champions - possibly the easiest options but so were Gatti and Baldomir.
Lets not forget Tzsyu had just waltzed through Mitchell and devestatingly so...
Before that Hatton stopped Oliveria (never been stopped) and won a wide UD over Ben Tackie who was in all the Light Welter top 10 lists
His career didn't begin at Tzsyu, its just some of the oppo's that Warren matched up weren't exactly inspiring!!
I like Hatton in the ring and hope to see him in some meaningful fights. He can't continue to mention all these top names and fight Joe Shmoe for a paper title.
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Joe Shmoe is hard as fwoook
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The fact is this.....Ricky has left many to wonder if he is the real deal or a one hit wonder (over a guy who was on the downside of his career) or if he really is gonna leave his mark on boxing. Right now as far as I can tell, he has taken nothing but backward steps since. Hatton better get serious and start taking some meaningful fights (not with guys who won their title in a fight they should have lost = Urango). You as his fans should be the ones feeling cheated.
I think thats a fair point but who does he have to fight to get credit for Tszyu not being a one off? Castillo is next and he has already stated he wants Floyd or Cotto at Welter.
If Collazo beats Mosely, that is a fight I can also see happening cos it will be worth a lot more to them both.
Maussa, Collazo and Urango are all World Champions - possibly the easiest options but so were Gatti and Baldomir.
Lets not forget Tzsyu had just waltzed through Mitchell and devestatingly so...
Before that Hatton stopped Oliveria (never been stopped) and won a wide UD over Ben Tackie who was in all the Light Welter top 10 lists
His career didn't begin at Tzsyu, its just some of the oppo's that Warren matched up weren't exactly inspiring!!
I like Hatton in the ring and hope to see him in some meaningful fights. He can't continue to mention all these top names and fight Joe Shmoe for a paper title.
Totally agree with you. I would like to have seen him in with Floyd before now or even stayed at Welter and fought Cotto who has won the WBA Belt he vacated.
Ricky says he would move back up to fight Cotto then why not stay at Welter and fight Cotto who was coming up. Never a better chance to beat him than on his first fight at the weight (as Hatton nearly found out himself). Cotto will now have a chance to grow into the weight before they meet/if they ever meet
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The fact is this.....Ricky has left many to wonder if he is the real deal or a one hit wonder (over a guy who was on the downside of his career) or if he really is gonna leave his mark on boxing. Right now as far as I can tell, he has taken nothing but backward steps since. Hatton better get serious and start taking some meaningful fights (not with guys who won their title in a fight they should have lost = Urango). You as his fans should be the ones feeling cheated.
:coolclick: Agreed 100%. :appl:
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The fact is this.....Ricky has left many to wonder if he is the real deal or a one hit wonder (over a guy who was on the downside of his career) or if he really is gonna leave his mark on boxing. Right now as far as I can tell, he has taken nothing but backward steps since. Hatton better get serious and start taking some meaningful fights (not with guys who won their title in a fight they should have lost = Urango). You as his fans should be the ones feeling cheated.
I think thats a fair point but who does he have to fight to get credit for Tszyu not being a one off? Castillo is next and he has already stated he wants Floyd or Cotto at Welter.
If Collazo beats Mosely, that is a fight I can also see happening cos it will be worth a lot more to them both.
Maussa, Collazo and Urango are all World Champions - possibly the easiest options but so were Gatti and Baldomir.
Lets not forget Tzsyu had just waltzed through Mitchell and devestatingly so...
Before that Hatton stopped Oliveria (never been stopped) and won a wide UD over Ben Tackie who was in all the Light Welter top 10 lists
His career didn't begin at Tzsyu, its just some of the oppo's that Warren matched up weren't exactly inspiring!!
I like Hatton in the ring and hope to see him in some meaningful fights. He can't continue to mention all these top names and fight Joe Shmoe for a paper title.
If Calzaghe can do it than you can bet Hatton will follow suit.
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The fact is this.....Ricky has left many to wonder if he is the real deal or a one hit wonder (over a guy who was on the downside of his career) or if he really is gonna leave his mark on boxing. Right now as far as I can tell, he has taken nothing but backward steps since. Hatton better get serious and start taking some meaningful fights (not with guys who won their title in a fight they should have lost = Urango). You as his fans should be the ones feeling cheated.
I think thats a fair point but who does he have to fight to get credit for Tszyu not being a one off? Castillo is next and he has already stated he wants Floyd or Cotto at Welter.
If Collazo beats Mosely, that is a fight I can also see happening cos it will be worth a lot more to them both.
Maussa, Collazo and Urango are all World Champions - possibly the easiest options but so were Gatti and Baldomir.
Lets not forget Tzsyu had just waltzed through Mitchell and devestatingly so...
Before that Hatton stopped Oliveria (never been stopped) and won a wide UD over Ben Tackie who was in all the Light Welter top 10 lists
His career didn't begin at Tzsyu, its just some of the oppo's that Warren matched up weren't exactly inspiring!!
I like Hatton in the ring and hope to see him in some meaningful fights. He can't continue to mention all these top names and fight Joe Shmoe for a paper title.
Totally agree with you. I would like to have seen him in with Floyd before now or even stayed at Welter and fought Cotto who has won the WBA Belt he vacated.
Ricky says he would move back up to fight Cotto then why not stay at Welter and fight Cotto who was coming up. Never a better chance to beat him than on his first fight at the weight (as Hatton nearly found out himself). Cotto will now have a chance to grow into the weight before they meet/if they ever meet
That's true about the Cotto weight thing. I'm already picking Cotto to win that but that should make it easier.
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I don't get why people are so harsh on hatton for?
He beat kostya, ok one big name... he was then going to fight vivian Harris next except he got his ass handed to him by a total unknown calos maussa, is that hattons fault? how can it be... i bet most of you who question his opposition would of no quarms had he fought harris... but harris got beat so hatton did the next best thing and then BATTERD the guy who beat the guy.
He was then given the chance to fight the WBA WW champion on short notice, become a 2 weight champion, have some leverage should he decided to stay at WW... he done that, granted it wasn't his best performance, and he just scrapped a win, but every boxer is allowed one bad fight, right? Lets not forget, Hatton v Gatti was almost certain to happon untill gatti went and got him self stopped to a guy whos then only interest was Floyd mayweather...
Hatton's moved back down to fight for his old belt and set up a match with Castillo. Thats just the way it works, you honestly think ricky decides this shit? its HBO and his promos who sort this out. HBO know well and truly money ways its better to have them fight on the same card, get one or both of them a world title then make them fight...
what should hatton have done? given collazo a rematch, it would of answerd alot of questions, ture. But what then? had hatton beatean him people would still claim the only big name on his resume was kostya and he was past it, so he would still have to fight some ABC champ at LW to get a title to make a big match with the likes of castillo or corales...
As for hatton staying at WW to fight cotto, if he stayed at WW to fight he had to give, urkal or vacate his belt? i don't think either fighter would enter that fight without a belt on the line,
