Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Trashes Ricky Hatton

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Originally Posted by sanj16

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Originally Posted by Preme

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Mayweather is right. He is the top dog

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mate gods honest truth, before tha baldi fight no one in the uk had ever heard of floyd mayweather Jr unless you spend hours a day on the net reading about boxing and posting on forums.

after the baldi fight, about 5 people remebered his name - thats how big he isN'T

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Anyone who knows anything about boxing knows about PBF. Most of the people I speak with in England who claim to be "boxing fans" know SFA. Explains why I'm here so much to actually have a proper discussion. Don't mind disagreeing points of view (hell that one of the main benefits of being a boxing fan), but at least have some idea what you are talking about!

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bit of an arogant point of view there mate... a lot of my friends who like boxing are a lot older than me, the have seen and known about every great fighter over the last 20-50 years... fact is 'coz they may not have the time or interest in searching on the net for forums to read peoples views on US boxers doesn't make them any less of a fan - if boxing is shown on tv they (we) watch it, fact is how often do you ever hear of floyd in the sports news over here? or spoken about much? hardly ever

Now add in the fact we watch the boxing in our local, so its even harder to here the very seldom time the mention his name in link with hatton

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Originally Posted by Preme

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Originally Posted by sanj16

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Originally Posted by Preme

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Mayweather is right. He is the top dog

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mate gods honest truth, before tha baldi fight no one in the uk had ever heard of floyd mayweather Jr unless you spend hours a day on the net reading about boxing and posting on forums.

after the baldi fight, about 5 people remebered his name - thats how big he isN'T

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Anyone who knows anything about boxing knows about PBF. Most of the people I speak with in England who claim to be "boxing fans" know SFA. Explains why I'm here so much to actually have a proper discussion. Don't mind disagreeing points of view (hell that one of the main benefits of being a boxing fan), but at least have some idea what you are talking about!

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bit of an arogant point of view there mate... a lot of my friends who like boxing are a lot older than me, the have seen and known about every great fighter over the last 20-50 years... fact is 'coz they may not have the time or interest in searching on the net for forums to read peoples views on US boxers doesn't make them any less of a fan - if boxing is shown on tv they (we) watch it, fact is how often do you ever hear of floyd in the sports news over here? or spoken about much? hardly ever

Now add in the fact we watch the boxing in our local, so its even harder to here the very seldom time the mention his name in link with hatton

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Didn't mean to come across as arogant, appologies, and I do appreciate that it is much more difficult to watch fights regularly here in the UK and that you have to go looking for boxing news. But to be a boxing fan and not have heard about someone who is arguably the greatest in the world right now is extreme. Like being a football fan and never having heard of Ronaldinho.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by skyler

The fact that most of Oscar's fights don't sell out in only 3 hours means he's part of the reason.

sorry

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Yeah....a lot of people want to see Floyd get his bitch a** knocked out, and people are only willing to shell out for tickets when there is a possibility of it actually happening.

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Alot of people payed money to see the same of a fighter named Muhammad Ali as well, as in case you weren't aware, him being disliked by many helped his ticket sales.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by skyler

The fact that most of Oscar's fights don't sell out in only 3 hours means he's part of the reason.

sorry

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Yeah....a lot of people want to see Floyd get his bitch a** knocked out, and people are only willing to shell out for tickets when there is a possibility of it actually happening.

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CC...good point.

If Oscar wasnt fighting then the revenue would be considerably lower and tickets would take longer to sell. A lot longer...

For Floyd to diss Hatton is futile, their paths are on different trajectories at the moment, and so Floyd should keep it shut...

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well Hatton would actually WANT to fight Floyd.....Floyd doesn't like taking risks, he has NEVER in his career, not ONCE ever taken a risk.

He's never been the underdog

He's never been EVEN with another fighter

He's never fought ANY greats

He just never takes risks

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Man anytime you get in the ring with another fighter you are taking a risk.



Castillo, Corrales, Baldomir, Judah, Chavez, N'dou, Gatti... you're right no risk there! Just like fighting any scrub off the street!

Not his fault he's never been "even" with another fighter...you want him to train to become less talented so he starts getting in close fights or what?



About the statement on Hatton, it's not true. But British fans always get very hyped and excited when they have a fighter that shows potential and buy those tickets and become die-hard fans and loyal to their fighter. In the states its not like that...we like to criticize our top guys instead.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well Hatton would actually WANT to fight Floyd.....Floyd doesn't like taking risks, he has NEVER in his career, not ONCE ever taken a risk.

He's never been the underdog

He's never been EVEN with another fighter

He's never fought ANY greats

He just never takes risks

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Mayweather-Corrales was a pick'em fight. The odds were dead even. It's only in retrospect that people feel as if the opponents were unworthy. So your post is not correct.

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Originally Posted by dasamm

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well Hatton would actually WANT to fight Floyd.....Floyd doesn't like taking risks, he has NEVER in his career, not ONCE ever taken a risk.

He's never been the underdog

He's never been EVEN with another fighter

He's never fought ANY greats

He just never takes risks

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Man anytime you get in the ring with another fighter you are taking a risk.



Castillo, Corrales, Baldomir, Judah, Chavez, N'dou, Gatti... you're right no risk there! Just like fighting any scrub off the street!

Not his fault he's never been "even" with another fighter...you want him to train to become less talented so he starts getting in close fights or what?



About the statement on Hatton, it's not true. But British fans always get very hyped and excited when they have a fighter that shows potential and buy those tickets and become die-hard fans and loyal to their fighter. In the states its not like that...we like to criticize our top guys instead.

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ahahaaa

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well Hatton would actually WANT to fight Floyd.....Floyd doesn't like taking risks, he has NEVER in his career, not ONCE ever taken a risk.

He's never been the underdog

He's never been EVEN with another fighter

He's never fought ANY greats

He just never takes risks

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't quite a number of people feel as though Floyd lost his first fight with Castillo? If I remember correctly, he immediately granted him a rematch, I would think fighting a guy who many feel you didn't even beat the first time is a risk, unless of course your a biased hater as you appear to be. Also, sorry to have to tell you this, but if Floyd fought Hatton, Margarito, Cotto, or Mosley, he again would not be 'EVEN' or an 'UNDERDOG'. He'd go into all those fights as the odds on favorite. Like an earlier poster alluded to, I guess he's just suppose to stop training as hard huh.

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Originally Posted by dasamm

Man anytime you get in the ring with another fighter you are taking a risk.

Castillo, Corrales, Baldomir, Judah, Chavez, N'dou, Gatti... you're right no risk there! Just like fighting any scrub off the street!

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Floyd fought Corrales and Castillo in 2001 and 2002....."what have you done for me lately"


In those fights Floyd came really close to doing what people want him to do which is take a chance and be challenged....I mean what kind of fighter doesn't WANT to challange himself?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Floyd fought Corrales and Castillo in 2001 and 2002....."what have you done for me lately"


In those fights Floyd came really close to doing what people want him to do which is take a chance and be challenged....I mean what kind of fighter doesn't WANT to challange himself?

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Then explain who Floyd should have fought the last few years. Who are these challenging fighters that Floyd has been avoiding?

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Floyd fought Corrales and Castillo in 2001 and 2002....."what have you done for me lately"


In those fights Floyd came really close to doing what people want him to do which is take a chance and be challenged....I mean what kind of fighter doesn't WANT to challange himself?

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Then explain who Floyd should have fought the last few years. Who are these challenging fighters that Floyd has been avoiding?

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Floyd has Flown up in weight wih no consideration for fighting the best....he has fought good fighters. But Baldomir? Gatti? Were they ever really threats?

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Floyd fought Corrales and Castillo in 2001 and 2002....."what have you done for me lately"


In those fights Floyd came really close to doing what people want him to do which is take a chance and be challenged....I mean what kind of fighter doesn't WANT to challange himself?

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Then explain who Floyd should have fought the last few years. Who are these challenging fighters that Floyd has been avoiding?

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Floyd has Flown up in weight wih no consideration for fighting the best....he has fought good fighters. But Baldomir? Gatti? Were they ever really threats?

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corrales was dangerous fight he was underfeated and bookies had it 50-50 and mayweather schooled him plus castillo was dangerous fight and believe me mayweather was very challenged when he fought castillo

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Floyd fought Corrales and Castillo in 2001 and 2002....."what have you done for me lately"


In those fights Floyd came really close to doing what people want him to do which is take a chance and be challenged....I mean what kind of fighter doesn't WANT to challange himself?

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Then explain who Floyd should have fought the last few years. Who are these challenging fighters that Floyd has been avoiding?

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Floyd has Flown up in weight wih no consideration for fighting the best....he has fought good fighters. But Baldomir? Gatti? Were they ever really threats?

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Then who are the "threats" that he has avoided??
Everyone always bashes Floyd's opposition without providing names of who he should have fought.

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Originally Posted by skyler

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well Hatton would actually WANT to fight Floyd.....Floyd doesn't like taking risks, he has NEVER in his career, not ONCE ever taken a risk.

He's never been the underdog

He's never been EVEN with another fighter

He's never fought ANY greats

He just never takes risks

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't quite a number of people feel as though Floyd lost his first fight with Castillo? If I remember correctly, he immediately granted him a rematch, I would think fighting a guy who many feel you didn't even beat the first time is a risk, unless of course your a biased hater as you appear to be. Also, sorry to have to tell you this, but if Floyd fought Hatton, Margarito, Cotto, or Mosley, he again would not be 'EVEN' or an 'UNDERDOG'. He'd go into all those fights as the odds on favorite. Like an earlier poster alluded to, I guess he's just suppose to stop training as hard huh.

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Dont even bother responding... This is a guy who would tell you Wlad Klitschko has taken more risks and has a better resume than Floyd.. He's just a few bricks short, not worth the effort.

Hey Wladimir has taken risks....fighting the hardest hitting UNDEFEATED heavyweight out there and everyone said Wlad has a bad chin.

THAT IS A RISK AND it was one of the biggest fights that could be made at the time.


I'm not saying Wlad is a better fighter than Floyd but he gives the fans the fights they want to see....and he'd have a unification fight if Don King wasn't around.


Floyd has NEVER....ever ever ever ever in any weight class he's been in....... unified the titles. This means yes he has held titles but never ALL the titles which in turn means there are other legitimate champions he has not fought in .......EVERY WEIGHT CLASS HE'S EVER FOUGHT IN


What was that you were saying about "who else should Floyd have fought"???

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Hey Wladimir has taken risks....fighting the hardest hitting UNDEFEATED heavyweight out there and everyone said Wlad has a bad chin.

THAT IS A RISK AND it was one of the biggest fights that could be made at the time.


I'm not saying Wlad is a better fighter than Floyd but he gives the fans the fights they want to see....and he'd have a unification fight if Don King wasn't around.


Floyd has NEVER....ever ever ever ever in any weight class he's been in....... unified the titles. This means yes he has held titles but never ALL the titles which in turn means there are other legitimate champions he has not fought in .......EVERY WEIGHT CLASS HE'S EVER FOUGHT IN


What was that you were saying about "who else should Floyd have fought"???

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Lyle... Your so thick sometimes it's ridiculous.. Sam Peter was a risk, sure... But so was Corrales, Castillo, Judah, Baldomir, and DLH, in fact all are much much better fighters, and better then anyone Wlad has ever fought. Baldomir was the undisputed champion at 147, so Floyd didn't have any other champs to fight unless you want to pencil in an easy victory over Margarito that only his groupies wanted to see. You talk about unification all you like fact is Wlad has hardly managed to hold on to one title until now, and he's fighting Ray Austin. Is that a risk? I understand you don't really follow any boxer that isn't a huge puncher that can give you a hard on with their awesome manly power... But your really pulling at straws so often with your BS.

De la Hoya I agree with but Judah??? Baldomir???

Baldomir was big and could take a punch....that's about it

Judah is too full of himself to be a good boxer anymore

Ray Austin is a mandatory....and Wlad doesn't have the advantage of shifting weight classes....and why do you make everything about Wlad???

and as for Corrales and Castillo they fought Floyd 5 or 6 years ago.


Cotto
Hatton
Mosley
Margarito
Freitas
Casamayor
Spadafora
Grigorian
Tszyu
Witter
Harris
Spinks


God the list can go on for ever....the thing is GREAT FIGHTERS are held to a higher standard....that's all I'm saying p4p....Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Duran, Leonard, hell De la Hoya and Mosley have been hawked over their whole careers too why are FLOYD fans the only ones who get pissed off when you question his greatness???

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Originally Posted by Lyle

De la Hoya I agree with but Judah??? Baldomir???

Baldomir was big and could take a punch....that's about it

Judah is too full of himself to be a good boxer anymore

Ray Austin is a mandatory....and Wlad doesn't have the advantage of shifting weight classes....and why do you make everything about Wlad???

and as for Corrales and Castillo they fought Floyd 5 or 6 years ago.


Cotto- Bob Arums next big star, you really think that will happen?? Arum hates Floyd since he left.
Hatton- Ricky doesn't and never will wan't the fight. Accept it.
Mosley- Still possible really, I doubt either would shy from the fight
Margarito- fought Baldomir then DLH instead, yeah what a coward.
Freitas- Yeah I guess it would have been a good fight to take before he lost, but he still would have killed him.
Casamayor- That's one. Could have been made, would have been a good fight but you can't get them all.
Spadafora- Why. He had enough trouble with Manfredy, and Dorin.. Who were clearly not on the same level as Floyd.
Grigorian- He only fought in Germany aside from getting whipped by Freitas in the states.
Tszyu- Yeah, and he wanted to fight Tszyu after Gatti, assuming he beat Hatton..
Witter- hahahah.
Harris- Yes, I believe he was the co feature on the Gatti Mayweather card, they were hyping him up to fight the winner... Who did he fight again... Oh yeah, Maussa? How'd that one go?? I wonder why Floyd didn't chase him after that.
Spinks- I thought they were close to agreeing on this one a while before Floyd got the DLH fight?? Oh well, might happen if not I doubt anyone will care.


God the list can go on for ever....the thing is GREAT FIGHTERS are held to a higher standard....that's all I'm saying p4p....Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Duran, Leonard, hell De la Hoya and Mosley have been hawked over their whole careers too why are FLOYD fans the only ones who get pissed off when you question his greatness???

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You see the list really can't go on very long at all Lyle.. It's a different game today than it was in the days of Robinson.. Guys are getting paid these days, you can't have prizefighters going at it every other week with top contenders. I realize that those fighters you named are all goats who have unquestionably achieved much more than Floyd, but they have achieved more than basically any modern fighters.. Just due to the times, and other greats fighting in their divisions. Just see what route Floyd takes, I really doubt he'll retire after beating Oscar. If he lost it could even make him greater, if he rebounded with some big fights at welter and took on someone like the winner of Cotto Margarito or Hatton that lots of people would be interested in... He can only take one fight at a time and can only be held standard to his peers and the nature of the sport today. THere's noone going around forgin a legacy like Robinson or Duran at the moment.. And to compare DLH or Mosley to those guys in itself is proposterous. Floyd is very close to equalling their legacys(which aren't close to Robinsons, Peps, or Durans, due to everything I just said).

...he never wanted, nor TRIED to fight any of those people.


Hey promoters as filthy as they are.....are an obstical one has to over come and honestly never ever ever being a unified champ takes away from Floyd's greatness and EVERYONE should agree to that.


If Floyd is so fucking good why doesn't he just beat anyone and everyone???????























answer: he's scared

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Hey Wladimir has taken risks....fighting the hardest hitting UNDEFEATED heavyweight out there and everyone said Wlad has a bad chin.

THAT IS A RISK AND it was one of the biggest fights that could be made at the time.


I'm not saying Wlad is a better fighter than Floyd but he gives the fans the fights they want to see....and he'd have a unification fight if Don King wasn't around.


Floyd has NEVER....ever ever ever ever in any weight class he's been in....... unified the titles. This means yes he has held titles but never ALL the titles which in turn means there are other legitimate champions he has not fought in .......EVERY WEIGHT CLASS HE'S EVER FOUGHT IN


What was that you were saying about "who else should Floyd have fought"???

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There are so many titles out there it's damn near impossible to unify. And what's the point? Titles are pretty much useless now. Floyd won his 130 title from the best title holder at the time. Genaro Hernandez. He also beat his biggest threat in Diego Corrales. At 135 he beat the fighter in the division. Jose Luis Castillo. He didn't do much at 140. But that's cuz Hatton and Cotto wouldn't fight him. Vivian Harris was set to get his shot. But he got his ass knocked out. At 147 he beat the recognized champion in Baldomir. And probably the division's most talented fighter in Judah. Now he's set to face De La Hoya. Yet people still knock him. Floyd takes chances. The first Castillo fight was close. So he rematched him and beat him more convincently. I didn't see Wlad go after Corrie Sanders and try to avenge his loss.

I seriously hope Oscar destroys PBF.

Ive never been an Oscar fan however i will cheer for him come fight night cause i cannot stand PBF.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Hey Wladimir has taken risks....fighting the hardest hitting UNDEFEATED heavyweight out there and everyone said Wlad has a bad chin.

THAT IS A RISK AND it was one of the biggest fights that could be made at the time.


I'm not saying Wlad is a better fighter than Floyd but he gives the fans the fights they want to see....and he'd have a unification fight if Don King wasn't around.


Floyd has NEVER....ever ever ever ever in any weight class he's been in....... unified the titles. This means yes he has held titles but never ALL the titles which in turn means there are other legitimate champions he has not fought in .......EVERY WEIGHT CLASS HE'S EVER FOUGHT IN


What was that you were saying about "who else should Floyd have fought"???

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There are so many titles out there it's damn near impossible to unify. And what's the point? Titles are pretty much useless now. Floyd won his 130 title from the best title holder at the time. Genaro Hernandez. He also beat his biggest threat in Diego Corrales. At 135 he beat the fighter in the division. Jose Luis Castillo. He didn't do much at 140. But that's cuz Hatton and Cotto wouldn't fight him. Vivian Harris was set to get his shot. But he got his ass knocked out. At 147 he beat the recognized champion in Baldomir. And probably the division's most talented fighter in Judah. Now he's set to face De La Hoya. Yet people still knock him. Floyd takes chances. The first Castillo fight was close. So he rematched him and beat him more convincently. I didn't see Wlad go after Corrie Sanders and try to avenge his loss.

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What do you mean hatton wouldn't fight him? He unified so Mayweather would fight him. Mayweather moves up to Welter so Hatton follows him. What more can he do other than openly say 'i wanna fight floyd mayweather' for the last 2 years. Hatton says he'l fight him wherever. I've actually seen video footage of Mayweather saying he won't fight Hatton in the UK. How can you be pound for pound number 1 when you have everything on your own terms.

Guys like Pac and Winky deserve to be above Floyd...and at least hatton took a fight in which he was severe underdog (tszyu)

And Castillo definately won the 1st fight. Mayweather won the rematch.

Floyd doesnt understand that he will never get recordbreaking ppv numbers because he is not likeble. Oscar, Hopkins, Trinidad, SRL, SRR, Hagler even Tyson never had to trash every other opponent in the division and outside of it to be sucessful. And for this reason i hope the history books arent kind to him. He doesnt deserve it.