Re: Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)
Honestly, I haven’t seen anything here yet that makes any sense. Teddy’s analysis was close, but I still don’t think it completely hit on De La Hoya’s likely strategy.
Believe it, Oscar knows very well what Floyd brings with him into the ring. Since Oscar has the physical advantage, there’s no need to get fancy. Look at all of Floyd’s fights since moving up in weight, he had an advantage in at least reach or height, in every single one of them. Most fights it was both. This is a smallish lightweight, moving up in weight and finding people even smaller than him to fight. That isn’t proving much to me. Go back and take a closer look at Floyd’s past fights. How many of those opponents had a marked physical advantage over him. Very few, if any. Many have mentioned Diego Corrales in comparison to De La Hoya’s height advantage, but what they’re missing is that Floyd still had a two inch reach advantage over Diego. Floyd has never fought anyone, at any time, who measured up to De La Hoya’s height, reach and strength. Not even close. If you can’t see that, it’s because you are caught up in the hype of the “Pretty Boy,” and not the reality.
It makes me laugh when I hear people actually using the Baldomir fight to justify their expectations for this one!! You have got to be kidding me. This man has no real power, was an inch shorter and had a five inch reach disadvantage. And people were surprised that he couldn’t win one unanimous round in the whole fight. I guess most people just aren’t paying attention.
De La Hoya will begin by stalking him. Plain and simple. Oscar wanted, and got, the smaller ring to corner and trap Mayweather, and that’s exactly what he’s going to do. I do not believe he will try to mix it up on the inside immediately, not until he has a chance to get a better gauge on Floyd’s overall speed and strength. He will start by using his reach advantage, trying to set him up from the outside for a taste of the real power. This is where Teddy’s talk of timing makes sense. As the fight wears on, if it does at all, De La Hoya will become more aggressive and attack Floyd more outright. And yes!, Floyd can be trapped on the ropes. I have seen it before, and I have no doubt that Oscar, using his size and strength, can do it as well.
Floyd has one hell of a tightrope to walk here. He must stay away from Oscar’s power, while at the same time finding ways to engage him enough to actually win rounds. This is not a good situation for him.
This should be an easy fight for Oscar.
Re: Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)
Timing has to do with speed. Reflexes are part of speed, and they affect timing.
Re: Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)
Like I said Teddy ain't too good at predicting fights. Most recently he picked Green to beat Miranda. He almost always goes for the underdog, which is usually cool, I do the same, but not in this case. I think Floyd is gonna box his way to a Unanimous Decision.
Re: Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)
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Originally Posted by Missy
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I just can't wait to see how Mayweather's reaction when he gets hit hard. Will he FALL? Will he RUN? Will he dare and get in an exchange?
Seriously do you expect him to FIGHT? It isn't his game. I hope PBF keeps calling Oscar out so he gets as fired up as he was fighting Mayorga.
I guess I just don't agree. I don't understand the thinking that all PBF does is stick and run away. I think people are going to be very surprised on just how willing Floyd is to engage on the inside. Now I don't think he'll be making any long visits but still...people are making Floyd out to be Corey Spinks because of the last 3 rounds of the fight.
Re: Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)
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Originally Posted by MannyP
Honestly, I haven’t seen anything here yet that makes any sense. Teddy’s analysis was close, but I still don’t think it completely hit on De La Hoya’s likely strategy.
Believe it, Oscar knows very well what Floyd brings with him into the ring. Since Oscar has the physical advantage, there’s no need to get fancy. Look at all of Floyd’s fights since moving up in weight, he had an advantage in at least reach or height, in every single one of them. Most fights it was both. This is a smallish lightweight, moving up in weight and finding people even smaller than him to fight. That isn’t proving much to me. Go back and take a closer look at Floyd’s past fights. How many of those opponents had a marked physical advantage over him. Very few, if any. Many have mentioned Diego Corrales in comparison to De La Hoya’s height advantage, but what they’re missing is that Floyd still had a two inch reach advantage over Diego. Floyd has never fought anyone, at any time, who measured up to De La Hoya’s height, reach and strength. Not even close. If you can’t see that, it’s because you are caught up in the hype of the “Pretty Boy,” and not the reality.
It makes me laugh when I hear people actually using the Baldomir fight to justify their expectations for this one!! You have got to be kidding me. This man has no real power, was an inch shorter and had a five inch reach disadvantage. And people were surprised that he couldn’t win one unanimous round in the whole fight. I guess most people just aren’t paying attention.
De La Hoya will begin by stalking him. Plain and simple. Oscar wanted, and got, the smaller ring to corner and trap Mayweather, and that’s exactly what he’s going to do. I do not believe he will try to mix it up on the inside immediately, not until he has a chance to get a better gauge on Floyd’s overall speed and strength. He will start by using his reach advantage, trying to set him up from the outside for a taste of the real power. This is where Teddy’s talk of timing makes sense. As the fight wears on, if it does at all, De La Hoya will become more aggressive and attack Floyd more outright. And yes!, Floyd can be trapped on the ropes. I have seen it before, and I have no doubt that Oscar, using his size and strength, can do it as well.
Floyd has one hell of a tightrope to walk here. He must stay away from Oscar’s power, while at the same time finding ways to engage him enough to actually win rounds. This is not a good situation for him.
This should be an easy fight for Oscar.
WTF!? Is that true!
Very VERY interesting points youve just made. Makes my slight distain of Floyd feel that much more justified ;)
Helluva good post to start of with Many P. I hope you can stick it out.
Have a :coolclick: on me and welcome to Saddoboxing!
Re: Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by Missy
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Originally Posted by Jman76
I just can't wait to see how Mayweather's reaction when he gets hit hard. Will he FALL? Will he RUN? Will he dare and get in an exchange?
Seriously do you expect him to FIGHT? It isn't his game. I hope PBF keeps calling Oscar out so he gets as fired up as he was fighting Mayorga.
I guess I just don't agree. I don't understand the thinking that all PBF does is stick and run away. I think people are going to be very surprised on just how willing Floyd is to engage on the inside. Now I don't think he'll be making any long visits but still...people are making Floyd out to be Corey Spinks because of the last 3 rounds of the fight.
Fight as in prepared to get hit, he has engaged more recently, but I still think it's his nature to flurry and get out the way.
Re: Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)
Yeah Corrales has short arms. He only had a 1 inch reach over Castillo which is why he was able to bang on the inside so efficiently because his punches are so short.
But to say this is an easy fight for Oscar is a bit careless imo. No more has Oscar fought someone with the physical advantages of Floyd as it is the other way around. The only person De La Hoya who comes close to Mayweather in speed, is Mosley. And Oscar had tons of trouble with the speed of Mosley. Now he also had trouble with the power of Mosley. And he's never faced someone as evasive as Floyd. No one even close in that regard. On top of that, Floyd could be one of the smartest guys Oscar has ever faced. He doesn't make mistakes. Period. He's not going to give Oscar anything.
And honestly, I think Floyd just coming forward would be just what Floyd wants. In fact that would be a dream scenario because Floyd is the more mobile fighter and that would give him the oppurtunity to attack from different angles and really get in and out with ease. That would be 12 rounds of frustration if Oscar fought like that. And I think he knows that too.
Re: Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)
I never said it would be easy.
Re: Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)
Great timing beats great speed but great stamina beats great timing. Timing is all how fast you can react to a mistake or watching movements and being able to time a punch; it's all a product of great muscle memory and reflexes. But you need great stamina to use great timing for a full 12 rounds because once you start to tire, your muscles tire and your reflexes become slower. Nobody has more stamina in boxing than Floyd Mayweather because he really watches his punch output, he's really efficient, he's naturally physically gifted, and he trains harder than anyone. So ODLH should be able to hang with Floyd for the first half of the fight but unless ODLH can catch Floyd with something in the first half and knock him out, the second half of the fight will be brutal for Oscar. ODLH has always had stamina problems and I don't just see him all of a sudden coming to the fight with great stamina for this fight. He'll tire a bit in the middle of the fight, but just that little bit of fatigue will allow Floyd to really open up. BTW, Floyd has the best timing in the game, bar none. So Oscar saying that he's gonna use timing really doesn't mean shit.
Re: Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)
I personally believe that the De La Hoya “fatigue” factor has been somewhat overblown. No doubt about it, at times he has faded in the second half of fights. But which fights? The first time I remember Oscar having a noteworthy decrease in his skills during the second half of a fight is his first time against Mosley. I don’t think that it’s a fair description in the Trinidad fight since I believe that had more to do with over-confidence and a choice to stay away than it did with fatigue.
Since then, he was clearly beginning to fade against Hopkins, Mosley again. Overall, the stronger fighters he has faced who were able to wear him down physically. Remember, however, even with this “problem” of his, he still has shown an ability to carry his power late into fights. He knocked down Castillejo late in that fight (12th round I believe), knocked out Vargas in the 11th. Also, going back a ways, he knocked out Carr in the 11th and it was a strong finish against Quartey in the 12th that ultimately won him that decision.
De La Hoya may tire, but his power will still be there, and that’s what the biggest problem is for Floyd. Futhermore, Mayweather doesn’t have the physical strength that the others had to wear Oscar down.
I just don’t think it’s realistic to pin all hopes on Mayweather’s stamina and his ability to outlast De La Hoya.
Re: Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)
Power means nothing if he cant land his power punches.I remember zab landing a few...and even then floyd rolled with them taking some steam off of them.I just dont see anyone being able to KO floyd right now and I think that you have to fight your best fight ever in order to win a decision.
Re: Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)
The only way to time is get close, let floyd throw 2 to three punches, then wait till that third or fourth punch lands. Immediately as you feel mayweathers punch use a right or left to the head. at the split second, when his punches touch your body, that is the best time to sting him with a timing punch.
Re: Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)
What if he throws 2 punches and then moves?Trying to time him and doing it successfully may when you a round...but Floyd will just switch up his game plan.He is extremely smart in the ring and he just doesnt make to many mistakes.
Re: Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)
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Originally Posted by amat
Yeah Corrales has short arms. He only had a 1 inch reach over Castillo which is why he was able to bang on the inside so efficiently because his punches are so short.
But to say this is an easy fight for Oscar is a bit careless imo. No more has Oscar fought someone with the physical advantages of Floyd as it is the other way around. The only person De La Hoya who comes close to Mayweather in speed, is Mosley. And Oscar had tons of trouble with the speed of Mosley. Now he also had trouble with the power of Mosley. And he's never faced someone as evasive as Floyd. No one even close in that regard. On top of that, Floyd could be one of the smartest guys Oscar has ever faced. He doesn't make mistakes. Period. He's not going to give Oscar anything.
And honestly, I think Floyd just coming forward would be just what Floyd wants. In fact that would be a dream scenario because Floyd is the more mobile fighter and that would give him the oppurtunity to attack from different angles and really get in and out with ease. That would be 12 rounds of frustration if Oscar fought like that. And I think he knows that too.
Oscar fought the most elusive fighter I've ever seen in a ring, Pernell Whitaker, so don't say he's never faced someone as "elusive" as Floyd. Mosley has the speed of Floyd, only the muscle to back it up. This is a dream match up for Oscar, though I don't think it will be a walk. Floyd has never fought at THIS WEIGHT, and will learn the lesson Oscar learned by moving up to take on Bernard. Oscar will be so physically superior it will be obvious from the beginning, and Floyds speed hasn't been as blinding over the past few fights, so how well will he carry it going up another 7 pounds. DLH will have the KO win between the 7th to 9th rds. Then he'll probably get his last shot at Mosley, or a final megafight with Winky.
Re: Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)
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He was giving his thoughts on PBF Oscar and he said that if Oscar fought from the outside,stayed tall,he could win.He said Oscar should stay on the outside and use his timing.Can any of you guys elaborate? Wouldn't it be better for Oscar to get Floyd on the inside,use his size advantage and rough him up?
Atlas fails to realize that Floyd is one of the best timers of the game.
This will end up being the fight of the decade...atleast for the hardcore.
Re: Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)
I cant wait till may 6th...when all of the Floyd bashers get on here to explain why DLH lost and didnt knock Floyd out with this magic,left hook,power,etc...
