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Mostly true, but Kelly has never been on this level before and I really think he is going to be surprised how different it is. A huge stepup in class from anything he has faced. Miranda has been here a few times and has shown he is worthy, is Pavlik? I dont think so, but we will find out soon enough.

It is going to be a very interesting fight. IMO Pavlik will win by TKO in later rounds. A lot of people say Pavlik has not fought anybody? He has been in the ring with Taylor, Hanshaw, Zuniga, McKart, Zertuche. Grant it, Taylor and Hanshaw was in the olympic trials, but he has been in the ring with them. I will agree that a couple of Mirandas oppositions are more credible, but not by too much.

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It is going to be a very interesting fight. IMO Pavlik will win by TKO in later rounds. A lot of people say Pavlik has not fought anybody? He has been in the ring with Taylor, Hanshaw, Zuniga, McKart, Zertuche. Grant it, Taylor and Hanshaw was in the olympic trials, but he has been in the ring with them. I will agree that a couple of Mirandas oppositions are more credible, but not by too much.

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Ams & Pros are 2 worlds apart I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the fact that Pavlik was in a ring as Ams......
Thats like when people said Abdullaev would beat Cotto cause he has beat him in the Ams.....

I'm honestly surprised so many people are so high on Miranda. IMO, he's even more rough around the edges then Lacy was. An active fighter with a warriors mentality and mean punching power. And picking him to beat JT is something I thought barely anyone would do.

I like Kelly's chances. Pavlik has a mean right hand a sneaky left hook. Pretty good fighter and a very astute puncher. He knows how to punch and he doesn't waste to much in doing so. Very straight puncher and very accurate, always a deadly combination.

Miranda on the other hand is just an animal. Not all right around the edges, he's not exactly patient but the guy is one of the more intimidating fighters in the game. Pavlik is going to have to be all there mentally and not be scared of Miranda if he wants to win the fight. He can't be moving backwards if he wants to beat Miranda, doesn't mean he has to be moving forward but he can't fight off the back foot. Easier said then done but you're not going to expose any holes in Miranda's defense backpeddling and that has been something that I've seen Pavlik do a couple times. More of a lazy habit imo, but if he does it against Miranda he better watch the fwock out.

He has the tools to beat Miranda, and it could very well happen. But to do it he needs to stand his ground, sneak that left hook in on Miranda, follow up and then circle around. Or do something to that extent. A lot of people say that you beat Miranda by keeping him outside, well I don't totally agree. He has a very tight defense on the outside, it's basically a shell it's when he is moving in and looking to make something happen where his defense opens up and that's where Pavlik is going to have to do his work. And his arsenal of punches seem to be made for a guy like Miranda but there is always that X factor of a huge Colombian power house coming at you and whether or not you can keep your poise. But if he can, if he can stay composed and catch Miranda in transition even if it means abandoning the jab a bit, laying a trap for Miranda to open up and come inside then so be it. Again, the X factor. But if he can, it very well could be a frustrating night for Miranda. And that's not at all far fetched. I mean the one time Green opened up he dropped Miranda as Miranda was moving forward. Howard Eastman, caught Miranda moving forward. The blue print is there just no one could execute it. Pavlik is a guy with that capability.

But on the flipside, if Pavlik loses, he loses big in this one. Miranda's blows are like missals in the air, they may be a bit loopy and they may take a while to get there but they bang hard.

I'm going to go ahead and predict a Miranda KO but I wouldn't be surprised to see it go the other way. Like I said Miranda has more then enough tools to beat him, it's knowing how to use them that counts. And big fight inexperience could cost him here. A win for either fighter is huge imo.

This is one I'm going to be able to catch. Glad too, I know there has been talk in Ohio about this one for years, even before both were real big. Should be fun. I'm a lot more excited for this then I am Allen Green - Edison Miranda yet when that fight got signed it seems people were more excited. I never saw it in Allan.

Kelly's weakness like in his last fight is he likes to stay in the pocket when he isn't a pocket fighter and comes in with any straight open to hit him, Miranda isn't an inside fighter and his power comes from a distance but so does Kelly's, this is a battle of who gets there first

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Imo Miranda and Lacy are worlds apart in regards to one punch power.

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Imo Miranda and Lacy are worlds apart in regards to one punch power.

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Yeah they are that was really just to grab's people's attention. Although I would kill to see Lacy versus Miranda.

Two number one ranked middleweight contenders will clash for top challenger status in the division when Edison Miranda whos #1 by the IBF and Kelly Pavlik whos #1 by the WBC collide on May 19th at FedExForum in Memphis, Tennessee. This intriguing middleweight contest will be the co-feature on the Jermain Taylor vs. Cory Spinks “Border Battle” middleweight championship card on HBO.

This is starting to look like a good card. Should be a great match up between Miranda and Pavlik. These are the kinds of fights that the boxing fans wanna see.

Add to that the JT vs Spinks and a possible clash between the winners and we got mayor exitment.

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I'm honestly surprised so many people are so high on Miranda. IMO, he's even more rough around the edges then Lacy was. An active fighter with a warriors mentality and mean punching power. And picking him to beat JT is something I thought barely anyone would do.

I like Kelly's chances. Pavlik has a mean right hand a sneaky left hook. Pretty good fighter and a very astute puncher. He knows how to punch and he doesn't waste to much in doing so. Very straight puncher and very accurate, always a deadly combination.

Miranda on the other hand is just an animal. Not all right around the edges, he's not exactly patient but the guy is one of the more intimidating fighters in the game. Pavlik is going to have to be all there mentally and not be scared of Miranda if he wants to win the fight. He can't be moving backwards if he wants to beat Miranda, doesn't mean he has to be moving forward but he can't fight off the back foot. Easier said then done but you're not going to expose any holes in Miranda's defense backpeddling and that has been something that I've seen Pavlik do a couple times. More of a lazy habit imo, but if he does it against Miranda he better watch the fwock out.

He has the tools to beat Miranda, and it could very well happen. But to do it he needs to stand his ground, sneak that left hook in on Miranda, follow up and then circle around. Or do something to that extent. A lot of people say that you beat Miranda by keeping him outside, well I don't totally agree. He has a very tight defense on the outside, it's basically a shell it's when he is moving in and looking to make something happen where his defense opens up and that's where Pavlik is going to have to do his work. And his arsenal of punches seem to be made for a guy like Miranda but there is always that X factor of a huge Colombian power house coming at you and whether or not you can keep your poise. But if he can, if he can stay composed and catch Miranda in transition even if it means abandoning the jab a bit, laying a trap for Miranda to open up and come inside then so be it. Again, the X factor. But if he can, it very well could be a frustrating night for Miranda. And that's not at all far fetched. I mean the one time Green opened up he dropped Miranda as Miranda was moving forward. Howard Eastman, caught Miranda moving forward. The blue print is there just no one could execute it. Pavlik is a guy with that capability.

But on the flipside, if Pavlik loses, he loses big in this one. Miranda's blows are like missals in the air, they may be a bit loopy and they may take a while to get there but they bang hard.

I'm going to go ahead and predict a Miranda KO but I wouldn't be surprised to see it go the other way. Like I said Miranda has more then enough tools to beat him, it's knowing how to use them that counts. And big fight inexperience could cost him here. A win for either fighter is huge imo.

This is one I'm going to be able to catch. Glad too, I know there has been talk in Ohio about this one for years, even before both were real big. Should be fun. I'm a lot more excited for this then I am Allen Green - Edison Miranda yet when that fight got signed it seems people were more excited. I never saw it in Allan.

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You have some good points here. But a few things... one, Miranda got dropped by Green when he was actually moving backwards (more of a skip) to avoid a punch. He was off balance and got hit with a tremendous left hook. He was never hurt.
Against Eastman he was hurt. But again, he was not moving forward. They were in the middle of the ring and Eastman came over the top with a good right when Miranda's defense was not there. He has fixed this problem since that fight.

The other X factor is that Pavlik has looked no more than decent in his past fights against lower level guys. If he looked only decent against this level of opposition, how is he going to look against one of the p4p hardest punchers and most aggressive guys in the sport? If he would have look amazing in his last few fights I would say he has a chance at this level. But since he hasn't shined at the lower level, I got a feeling he will fail miserably against the top level of fighters (imo Miranda is the top at middleweight).

Pavlik will shit his pants when Pantera lands the 1st good shot.....Miranda is the next Middleweight Champ, no doubt

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CC#485 JT that sh*t! made me laugh..... :lol:

Hes gonna need this come fight night :looroll:

:coolclick: #1317 to you.... Yea poo his pants or fall through his arsehole, one or the other ;)

I love Pantera,his attitude and his style but I honestly feel this will be a difficult fight for him. Remember,Pavlik may not have fought anywhere near the same level of fighters,but then Pantera has never fought someone as hard hitting as Kelly. Also,Kelly's straighter shots could be telling,Miranda tends to loop his punches. Pavlik also throws a tremendous amount of leather. However,I think Pantera';s D is slightly better,I mean Kelly is WIDE open and against Miranda,that's bad!!!

believe Pantera will win eventually. I feel he will be knocked down early but once Kelly realises just HOW hard Miranda hits,he'll lose. I favour Miranda,late ko BUT it'll be far from easy. Pavlik looks like a badass fighter.I'll be rooting for Edison though and if he wins this,he is early fighter of the year contender and they need to get JT's ass in the ring,NO excuses!!

Kelly Pavlik has a secret weapon tho....his corner is gonna dangle a roadkill squirrel in the corner to distract Miranda. ;D

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I love Pantera,his attitude and his style but I honestly feel this will be a difficult fight for him. Remember,Pavlik may not have fought anywhere near the same level of fighters,but then Pantera has never fought someone as hard hitting as Kelly. Also,Kelly's straighter shots could be telling,Miranda tends to loop his punches. Pavlik also throws a tremendous amount of leather. However,I think Pantera';s D is slightly better,I mean Kelly is WIDE open and against Miranda,that's bad!!!

believe Pantera will win eventually. I feel he will be knocked down early but once Kelly realises just HOW hard Miranda hits,he'll lose. I favour Miranda,late ko BUT it'll be far from easy. Pavlik looks like a badass fighter.I'll be rooting for Edison though and if he wins this,he is early fighter of the year contender and they need to get JT's a** in the ring,NO excuses!!

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Allan Green can crack... He was all fired up confident and talking shite until he tasted the power of Miranda and then he bitched around the ring all nite

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You have some good points here. But a few things... one, Miranda got dropped by Green when he was actually moving backwards (more of a skip) to avoid a punch. He was off balance and got hit with a tremendous left hook. He was never hurt.
Against Eastman he was hurt. But again, he was not moving forward. They were in the middle of the ring and Eastman came over the top with a good right when Miranda's defense was not there. He has fixed this problem since that fight.

The other X factor is that Pavlik has looked no more than decent in his past fights against lower level guys. If he looked only decent against this level of opposition, how is he going to look against one of the p4p hardest punchers and most aggressive guys in the sport? If he would have look amazing in his last few fights I would say he has a chance at this level. But since he hasn't shined at the lower level, I got a feeling he will fail miserably against the top level of fighters (imo Miranda is the top at middleweight).

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Yeah I was off on Green, I could have sworn it was Miranda moving forward. And while Miranda wasn't moving against Eastman, he had just moved forward and opened up his defense and that's when he got caught. And when has Miranda looked spectacular? Aside from Gibbs, he has always looked pretty good and relentless but never anything I would call special imo. Pavlik looked good against Zertuche. He got hit against a real awkward guy but that's about it.

Pavlik gets hit a bunch, and that will be his doing in imo. But those straight shots are just so damn hard to ignore against Miranda.

They are both very powerful punchers. Pavlik throws strait shots that almost every time in a fight find there mark with drastic results. On the other hand Miranda throws looping hands. Remeber he is facing a guy who is 6' 3" and Miranda is 5' 10''. When he throws those looping left or right hands he will be reaching up exposing that side of the face. Pavlik needs to keep circling to the right to keep that distance between him and that big right hand. The strait shot is usually the more true shot. I like Pavlik in this one. He has the better jaw and the straiter hands.

Like I said I believe that the ghost will win this won. For 6'3" and 160 pounds he swats. Pavlik has a great jaw and all he needs to do is circle to his right to keep away from Miranda's big right hand. Miranda is my height about 5'10''. Miranda also throws looping shots. Its going to be very challenging for him to land those big loopers to the head so look for the body attack. If Miranda goes high too much, Pavlik (who is a strait puncher) will connect. Pavlik is also a very classy guy from Youngstown Ohio. I'm rooting for him as a northeast Ohioan would for another. The kid is a class act from one of the toughest cities in America. Go Pavlik.

I didn't realize there was such a height differential between Pavlik and Miranda, that could be a factor in the fight. That being said, Allan Green is listen at 6'2 on boxrec, and Pavlik is listed at 6'2.5, so maybe it won't matter all that much, we all saw how Miranda handled Green - One clean right hand in the first round and Green fought scared for the rest of the fight. I really hope Miranda win this one, though I wouldn't be all that surprised to see Pavlik take it. Although, Pavlik has never fought anyone even remotely close to Miranda skill/power-wise, if Zertuche hit even half as hard as Miranda does, Pavlik would've been counting light-bulbs in his last fight. Miranda has also had by far the tougher opposition in his previous fights.
Pantera by TKO.

Pavlik will swallow some teeth on his way to a TKO loss. :o

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Pavlik will swallow some teeth on his way to a TKO loss.   :o

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You know it Sonny Boy... Pavlik is gonna get himself a good ol' Colombian hydeing

I see Miranda landing some monsterous right that sends Pavlik tumbling a** over tin cups. Dizzy and seeing birdies, Pavlik sits up and spits out his mouthpiece along with 13 or 14 teeth.

Seeing this Pavlik pukes down his chest and passes out. Meanwhile his corner is scurrying around the ring trying to pick up Pavlik's teeh and put them in the ice bucket. They both bend over to pick up the same tooth and crack their skulls open. Blood gushes everywhere and Miranda slips on it in mid-cheer he tries to get up and slips on it again, doing his own rendition of the Zab Judah dance.

HBO cuts to a commerical for the first time in it's history.

PAVLIK VS MIRANDA!!!!!!!

this should be a awesome fight, don't know who to go with but i'l lean a little more towards pavlik.

there should be a rematch which is great for us boxing fan :D hehe

I'm picking Pavlik to KO Miranda!!!

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I'm picking Pavlik to KO Miranda!!!

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me too

Im picking the guy with the staiter punches and YES MORE POWER. Kelly the ghost Pavlik. Pavlik is the hardest hitting guy in the class period. He hits more like a light heavy wieght than a middle wieght.

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v353546s2z2QPEJ
phone conference...Lol Pavlik laughed off those commments from Miranda....He said you would think he could take a punch with all that exercise his mouth gets..but hes been dropped by Eastman Green etc..I kinda like Dibella, he clowns pretty well...Mirandas translator is a dumbshit.

When they start talking about what they saw of each other and what they think they saw that made them think they could win. Pavlik had a no problem pointing out what he saw...Miranda could only say he fought 20 dead guys 7 blind guys..he obviously hasnt done any homework. This isnt a comedy club and you may look like Eddie Murphy on crack but you aint funny.. :censored:

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I'm picking Pavlik to KO Miranda!!!

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Miranda has so much glass in his jaw he could be JC Penny window. Pavlik will knock out the lesser puncher in the fight. YES THE LESSER PUNCHER IS MIRANDA

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They are both very powerful punchers. Pavlik throws strait shots that almost every time in a fight find there mark with drastic results. On the other hand Miranda throws looping hands. Remeber he is facing a guy who is 6' 3" and Miranda is 5' 10''. When he throws those looping left or right hands he will be reaching up exposing that side of the face. Pavlik needs to keep circling to the right to keep that distance between him and that big right hand. The strait shot is usually the more true shot. I like Pavlik in this one. He has the better jaw and the straiter hands.

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We have no idea if Pavlik has jaw. He hasn't fough anyone with a punch. We know he has skills and we know he can crack, but realistically, we'll find out very soon if Pavlik has the jaw and heart of a champ. I like Pavlik a lot, but he's been codled and protected. He is making a huge step up in competition. Miranda has been in with several world class fighters. Pavlik has NEVER until now fough a world class guy. This is not to say that Pavlik won't pull it off. He has the straighter hands, but you can't say he has the better jaw. We don't know.

Pavlik is going from the high school yard into the pros. He is completely untested even at the college level.
Any of Miranda's last four opponents would crush anyone Pavlik has fought.

We know Miranda can hang with the top of the middleweight class.

All we know is Pavlik can do well against the average 154lbs little guy. What will happen when he steps into the ring for the first time with a guy that is bigger and stronger than him that has the power to kill him?

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Pavlik is going from the high school yard into the pros. He is completely untested even at the college level.
Any of Miranda's last four opponents would crush anyone Pavlik has fought.

We know Miranda can hang with the top of the middleweight class.

All we know is Pavlik can do well against the average 154lbs little guy. What will happen when he steps into the ring for the first time with a guy that is bigger and stronger than him that has the power to kill him?

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Well Pavlik is probally very uncontent with who he has been fighting. These guys Pavlik fights get murdered by him. Zuretuche I think at the time of the fight was a top 15-20 guy. It was a one way fight.Same with Lenard Pierre. Both Pavlik and Duddy made him look like a fool. I have never seen Pavlik get seriously hurt in any of his recent fights. I have seen Miranda get hurt and knocked down by guys who cant swat nearly as hard as Pavlik.

Pantera....what is this do well agianst a blown up jr. middle weight crap. He kills them. Look at the Bronco fight. Former Champ, Crushed . Grady Brewer, same thing. I don't think a junior middle weight has hung around more than 3 and a half rounds with Pavlik. And trust me Pavlik is the hardest hitting guy in the class. Yes I said it Pavlik swats harder than that Columbian with a glass jaw.

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Pantera....what is this do well agianst a blown up jr. middle weight crap. He kills them. Look at the Bronco fight. Former Champ, Crushed . Grady Brewer, same thing. I don't think a junior middle weight has hung around more than 3 and a half rounds with Pavlik. And trust me Pavlik is the hardest hitting guy in the class. Yes I said it Pavlik swats harder than that Columbian with a glass jaw.

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Nahhh. If he hits so hard than why did all those flush shots on Pierre take 4 rounds until the ref stopped the fight? And even than Pierre looked ready to continue. On the other hand Duddy absolutely murdered the guy in 90 seconds. Makes you question the power of Pavlik...

I'm Quoting " The Ring Magazine" Some observers believe that Pavlik is the hardest puncher in the middle weight divsion. Judging by the image of "the Ghost" distorting his foe's face with a right, Zertuche would probally agree with that assessment.



Another thing if Miranda swats as hard as everyone on his bandwagon says he does. Hows come he couldn't stop the fight or knock a guy out with a broken jaw.

Im a Pavlik fan because he is a class act and he is American. Not to mention he lives 25 minuets away from me in Youngstown.

CC southakron314, Pavlik should have the crowd behind him, being that the fights in Tennessee. People think Mirnada is some kind of monster puncher...because he spun Willie Gibbs around? So what so did Daniel Edouard, and Raymond Joval had him hurt and these guys arent heavy hitters.His best outing was against Eastman..and hes a little on the decline after being in some big fights. His hardest shot may be his headbutt..because if you ask me thats how he broke Abrahams jaw.

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I'm Quoting " The Ring Magazine" Some observers believe that Pavlik is the hardest puncher in the middle weight divsion. Judging by the image of "the Ghost" distorting his foe's face with a right, Zertuche would probally agree with that assessment.



Another thing if Miranda swats as hard as everyone on his bandwagon says he does. Hows come he couldn't stop the fight or knock a guy out with a broken jaw.

Im a Pavlik fan because he is a class act and he is American. Not to mention he lives 25 minuets away from me in Youngstown.

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hahaha. It's funny how all these Ohio people are coming around with these great reasons why Pavlik is so wonderful.
Welcome to Saddoboxing and enjoy you short stay here. You will be going back to watching the cars rust in your little town after your hypejob gets destroyed!

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CC southakron314, Pavlik should have the crowd behind him, being that the fights in Tennessee. People think Mirnada is some kind of monster puncher...because he spun Willie Gibbs around? So what so did Daniel Edouard, and Raymond Joval had him hurt and these guys arent heavy hitters.His best outing was against Eastman..and hes a little on the decline after being in some big fights. His hardest shot may be his headbutt..because if you ask me thats how he broke Abrahams jaw.

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It will be interesting who the crowd will be behind. I would imagine that the Taylor's fans will be rooting for Miranda and hope for a fight to be setup between them. But who knows. I cant wait to see!

I bet Taylor fans would be rooting for Miranda .He is the easier fight.

Another thing PANTERA.I HAVE BEEN IN THE RING. Good Shepards gym Akron ohio. Howard street. I was a Silver Glove amature. Im a student of the sport. Just cause you dont agree with my educated opion dosent mean you need to deduct my points and slanderize me.

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Another thing PANTERA.I HAVE BEEN IN THE RING. Good Shepards gym Akron ohio. Howard street. I was a Silver Glove amature. Im a student of the sport. Just cause you dont agree with my educated opion dosent mean you need to deduct my points and slanderize me.

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It's great you like a guy from your town and want to root for him. And congrats on your silver glove.
So you say you are a student of the sport... take a pen and paper with you when you watch this fight in Memphis. Miranda is gonna teach you that your hometown hero is not what you think he is! After the fight you can consider yourself more educated.