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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
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Originally Posted by Fenster
You think Winky wont use the weight as an excuse should he lose? It's a perfect excuse. He can easily move back down to secure lucrative fight's blaming the weight. Oscar-Hopkins? Morales-Raheem?
Winky spent 15 years as a lightmiddleweight. If it was such an acttractive fight why didn't it happen at middle back then?
And Hopkins may of not ruled out the heavies but as soon as he realised no-one gives a S*** about him fighting Maskaev, and he wont be making no delusional 15 million quid, thats when the Calzaghes, Roys and Winkys got a mention.
It's just different horses for different courses, I guess. I have no problem with the fight. If people want to fork-out for it cause they think it's intriguing and competitive then fine. I just see it as boringly predictable. A safe payday.
Winky isn't the type to make excuses, a loss would damage him. As for Hopkins being delusional about making $15 million dollars against Maskaev, Well Jones Jr biggest every payday was against Ruiz where he made over $10 million dollars, double his previous highest purse up to that point, so if Hopkins did get a fight with Maskaev without a doubt it could be a $10 million dollar plus payday for him.
I find it extraordinary the amount of hate Hopkins gets. Nobody would complain about Maskaev baing weak opposition for Sam Peter or Vitali Klitschko, they are big fights, but if Hopkins wants him the longtime middleweight at age 43 is taking another easy fight looking for a big payday ::**
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
Hopkins made $10m (his biggest payday by miles) against Oscar...Maskaev aint no Oscar..not by a loonnnggg shot.
It's not hate for Hopkins. He's a great fighter but a boring fighter. And no-one gives a flying funk about whether or not Hopkins can bore an ancient-18st-plodder to death.. If there was ANY interest in the fight he wouldn't now be fighting Winky and the like.
Anyway, It makes a mockery of boxing these guys trying to make fights with shitty heayweights, to win shitty belts, to say they were heavyweight champ.
Why doesn't he challenge Klitschko. He'll get his $10million then alright!!!
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
The risk Fenster in this fight is their reputation. Many times Winky challenged Bernard's supremacy of the middlewegiht division, and sure this is at a higher weight, but even if Wright loses this fight will demonstrate whether or not he would be able to hang in there with B-Hop. And while Winky is defensive minded he still puts pressure on his opponent, and he still throws alot of punches, and thats something every finds fun to watch or at least I thought so. Also B-Hop to challenge Wlad Klistchko is rediculous he never said he could beat every heavyweight.
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Right, and when the check clears i'm sure it will help ease the pain of whoever's rep is tarnished.
The weight doesn't matter even though it's 10lbs above the middle limit? Winky spent 15 years at lightmiddle, has had four fights at 160 and is now fighting a man at 170 that won his last fight at 175. Why didn't the fight happen at middleweight?
Hopkins-Wlad is ridiculous, I agree. Just like Hopkins-Maskaev is pointless.
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Right, and when the check clears i'm sure it will help ease the pain of whoever's rep is tarnished.
The weight doesn't matter even though it's 10lbs above the middle limit? Winky spent 15 years at lightmiddle, has had four fights at 160 and is now fighting a man at 170 that won his last fight at 175. Why didn't the fight happen at middleweight?
Hopkins-Wlad is ridiculous, I agree. Just like Hopkins-Maskaev is pointless.
Hopkins was at 175 for one fight only after spending 15 years at 160. Plus he's 43 years old. To put that into perspective, he is a year OLDER than Chris Eubank and a few months younger than Nigel Benn.
Hopkin's age surely counts as ample compensation for Winky's weight disadvantage.
B Hop is a living legend, if he was to go on a fight for a heavyweight belt he could well beat Foreman's record and become the oldest ever heavyweight champ as well as the only true full middleweight to win a heavyweight title, as both Jones Jr and Toney were really higher weight fighters.
He did what Ray Robinson could not and won the light heavyweight title. Robinson was also scheduled to fight Floyd Patterson before it fell through after Patterson was knocked out against Liston. Hopkins is as keen a boxing historian as anyone. He knows that if he wins a heavyweight crown it would put him in the top 10 greatest of all time.
Anyone with an appreciation of boxing history can see the merit in such a fight. He's also trying to create a better legacy than his two arch rivals Roy Jones Jr and James Toney.
These fights make sense. Wright vs Hopkins is a battle between the two best American middleweights since Hagler. It's never happened and should do as the best fighters in any era SHOULD fight each other.
I think it will be a better fight than anticipated as Winky will be forced to press the action. Winky's last three fights have all been entertaining and Hopkins looked great last time out against Tarver in a fight that most people thought would bomb as well.
I'm looking forward to this one. It's not Mayweather vs De La Hoya for sure but it will settle a longtime rivalry between two of America's best fighters.
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
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Originally Posted by Taeth
The risk Fenster in this fight is their reputation. Many times Winky challenged Bernard's supremacy of the middlewegiht division, and sure this is at a higher weight, but even if Wright loses this fight will demonstrate whether or not he would be able to hang in there with B-Hop. And while Winky is defensive minded he still puts pressure on his opponent, and he still throws alot of punches, and thats something every finds fun to watch or at least I thought so. Also B-Hop to challenge Wlad Klistchko is rediculous he never said he could beat every heavyweight.
:coolclick: Nice to see not everyone is hating on Hopkins. The guy gets no credit whatsoever. Had any other fighter beaten Tarver, Calzaghe for example it would make them top 5p4p for sure. B Hop does it and people just say well big deal. If Calzghe beat Winky it would be a big deal. Taylor couldn't manage it, but it's seen as no big deal for Hopkins I don't understand that at all.
If its no big deal then surely he must p4p number 1 in the sport right? ??? :P
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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I'm not denying that Hopkins is looking for paychecks, but I doubt he asked anymore money to face Calzaghe then he did for Wright. And who else is Winky going to face at 168? Kessler? That would be cool, but I can count the number of people on my hands who even know who Mikkell Kessler is in America. Wright would stand nothing to gain from that.
And if anyone needs to be finding fights at 168, it's Calzaghe not Wright. He's probably only making a little bit less then what Winky or Nard is making, and he is fighting someone who poses absolutely no threat at all. Calzaghe doesn't belong in the discussion until he can show a willingness to make big fights on a consistent basis, something Hopkins and Winky have been doing for years.
Your first sentence showed up all that you suggested afterwards.
Not sure why you are so hostile to this fight Miles? It's kind of illogical to me.
If Calzaghe fought Hopkins it would be a huge fight. If Calzaghe fought Wright, it would be a huge fight. If Kessler fought Wright, huge fight. Kessler fight B Hop huge fight.
Taylor fought Hop, huge fight, Taylor fought Wright huge fight, and you can see where I'm going with this......
Hopkins and Wright have long been considered the best middleweight fighters out there, both are p4p, both are future Hall of Famers.
The ring currently rates Wright as number 3 p4p with Hopkins at 5
http://www.thering-online.com/ringpages/ratings2.html
Give Hopkins some credit. His last 4 fights have been Taylor twice, Tarver and now Winky. Name me one other fighter who has a better 4 fight resume than that? Plus he'll be 43 by the time of the Winky fight.
The guy is an inspiration. Credit to Winky also for taking a risk and moving up 10 lbs in weight.
I think Hopkins never gets the credit he deserves. For no other middleweight fighter would anyone make the case that Winky is an easy payday yet you think he is for B-Hop? ???
And then to follow that up by saying Hop doesn't deserve p4p status? ???
So he's taking Winky, at age 43 and it's an easy payday for him, BUT although Winky is one of the top 3 fighters in the world, an easy win for the Nard doesn't mean anything and he still doesn't deserve p4p status? ???.......errr..right ::**
I think maybe you are suffering from dog poisoning ;D
I dont mind watching this fight, but its a fight that ultimately proves little being fought at the weight its being fought at. Why not simply say it'll be at 168? Winky is being drawn into a weight that is beyond his fighting comfort zone and Hopkins should be retired...
Simple reasons perhaps and my own reasons for why this fight should have no real significance...
It shouldnt affect the P4P listings because of the weird tangents at play...
Hopkins is drawing smaller men in as usual, and Winky is stepping out of his depth, this fight is not significant...
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
And I dont hate on Hopkins. Hopkins has been one of my favorites over the years, but it time ti retire and have a rest. Im a little tipsy tonght. Over and out..
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
If i am anything about this fight its interested at best; He could prove me wrong and look great, but i think winky is way out of his depth fighting at 170, i think he should of taken the money and fought taylor again or chased miranda or abraham. Hopkins i would personally prefer if he stayed retired, but since he has come out he should be fighting calzaghe or one of the top LHW not another blown up LMW - this fight is about money IMO nothing more.
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
CC mILES,fEN and Mick. The names on paper are exciting but I'm not sure the fight will be and the number 1 point is,why is Winky going to to 170 and number 2,why the hell is Hopkins calling Winky that high? Why does B Hop always want to fight the smaller guy! BOTH have unfinished business with JT,why not fight him,or Calzaghe?2 fights which I think MOST would be far far far more interested in seeing.
Mick nailed it perfectly,there are lots of different types of technical matches which are good. I didn't see technical mastery from B Hop v JT,that was just not punching,not fighting full stop.I don't want to see more feinting than punching, and I don't want to see excessive holding,that's not a "great" technical match. I like to watch excellent fights full of great jabbing,ring generalship etc but if B Hop is going to just throw lots of feints and 1 right hand per round and Winky(whim I am a big fan of) is going to just throw jabs and straights,it's not a good combination of styles.
There are also repercussions for Winky,where is he going to go after the fight,stay at the weight? Lose all the weight and be weight drained for his next fight? At his age,losing all that weight will surely have side effects?
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
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CC mILES,fEN and Mick. The names on paper are exciting but I'm not sure the fight will be and the number 1 point is,why is Winky going to to 170 and number 2,why the hell is Hopkins calling Winky that high? Why does B Hop always want to fight the smaller guy! BOTH have unfinished business with JT,why not fight him,or Calzaghe?2 fights which I think MOST would be far far far more interested in seeing.
Mick nailed it perfectly,there are lots of different types of technical matches which are good. I didn't see technical mastery from B Hop v JT,that was just not punching,not fighting full stop.I don't want to see more feinting than punching, and I don't want to see excessive holding,that's not a "great" technical match. I like to watch excellent fights full of great jabbing,ring generalship etc but if B Hop is going to just throw lots of feints and 1 right hand per round and Winky(whim I am a big fan of) is going to just throw jabs and straights,it's not a good combination of styles.
There are also repercussions for Winky,where is he going to go after the fight,stay at the weight? Lose all the weight and be weight drained for his next fight? At his age,losing all that weight will surely have side effects?
Do people forget that Bhop only moved up from 160 1 fight ago, and he's 42 years old ???.. And how can anyone pretend that this fight should be at 168... I hope they realize that it's at a catch weight of 170.... 2 lbs more ::**. Fair enough with your point tho Gamo, to expect a dull fighht based on styles is perfectly reasonable. To say that this fight has no signifigance and the winner will gain nothing, is not.
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
CC mILES,fEN and Mick. The names on paper are exciting but I'm not sure the fight will be and the number 1 point is,why is Winky going to to 170 and number 2,why the hell is Hopkins calling Winky that high? Why does B Hop always want to fight the smaller guy! BOTH have unfinished business with JT,why not fight him,or Calzaghe?2 fights which I think MOST would be far far far more interested in seeing.
Mick nailed it perfectly,there are lots of different types of technical matches which are good. I didn't see technical mastery from B Hop v JT,that was just not punching,not fighting full stop.I don't want to see more feinting than punching, and I don't want to see excessive holding,that's not a "great" technical match. I like to watch excellent fights full of great jabbing,ring generalship etc but if B Hop is going to just throw lots of feints and 1 right hand per round and Winky(whim I am a big fan of) is going to just throw jabs and straights,it's not a good combination of styles.
There are also repercussions for Winky,where is he going to go after the fight,stay at the weight? Lose all the weight and be weight drained for his next fight? At his age,losing all that weight will surely have side effects?
I guess your last statement answers the question as to why Hopkins is making Winky go to 170. No way B Hop can go back down to 160 at his age, especially as he says he weighs around 190 now.
I don't see the weight being that much of a factor. Hopkins isn't a physical fighter anyway and Winky has proven throughout his career that he is really strong and can take a punch from anyone.
I'll be rooting for Hopkins to pull this one off too, if he does he will have done what nobody would have thought capable after his second loss to Taylor, namely defeating the man at 175 and then defeating the man most regarded as the true middleweight champion.
If Winky wins he's got a case for being p4p number 1 in the sport, a fight with De La Hoya would probably await although I fancy the winner of this to get Calzaghe.
Now answer my pm!
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
CC mILES,fEN and Mick. The names on paper are exciting but I'm not sure the fight will be and the number 1 point is,why is Winky going to to 170 and number 2,why the hell is Hopkins calling Winky that high? Why does B Hop always want to fight the smaller guy! BOTH have unfinished business with JT,why not fight him,or Calzaghe?2 fights which I think MOST would be far far far more interested in seeing.
Mick nailed it perfectly,there are lots of different types of technical matches which are good. I didn't see technical mastery from B Hop v JT,that was just not punching,not fighting full stop.I don't want to see more feinting than punching, and I don't want to see excessive holding,that's not a "great" technical match. I like to watch excellent fights full of great jabbing,ring generalship etc but if B Hop is going to just throw lots of feints and 1 right hand per round and Winky(whim I am a big fan of) is going to just throw jabs and straights,it's not a good combination of styles.
There are also repercussions for Winky,where is he going to go after the fight,stay at the weight? Lose all the weight and be weight drained for his next fight? At his age,losing all that weight will surely have side effects?
I guess your last statement answers the question as to why Hopkins is making Winky go to 170. No way B Hop can go back down to 160 at his age, especially as he says he weighs around 190 now.
I don't see the weight being that much of a factor. Hopkins isn't a physical fighter anyway and Winky has proven throughout his career that he is really strong and can take a punch from anyone.
I'll be rooting for Hopkins to pull this one off too, if he does he will have done what nobody would have thought capable after his second loss to Taylor, namely defeating the man at 175 and then defeating the man most regarded as the true middleweight champion.
If Winky wins he's got a case for being p4p number 1 in the sport, a fight with De La Hoya would probably await although I fancy the winner of this to get Calzaghe.
Now answer my pm!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
CC mILES,fEN and Mick. The names on paper are exciting but I'm not sure the fight will be and the number 1 point is,why is Winky going to to 170 and number 2,why the hell is Hopkins calling Winky that high? Why does B Hop always want to fight the smaller guy! BOTH have unfinished business with JT,why not fight him,or Calzaghe?2 fights which I think MOST would be far far far more interested in seeing.
Mick nailed it perfectly,there are lots of different types of technical matches which are good. I didn't see technical mastery from B Hop v JT,that was just not punching,not fighting full stop.I don't want to see more feinting than punching, and I don't want to see excessive holding,that's not a "great" technical match. I like to watch excellent fights full of great jabbing,ring generalship etc but if B Hop is going to just throw lots of feints and 1 right hand per round and Winky(whim I am a big fan of) is going to just throw jabs and straights,it's not a good combination of styles.
There are also repercussions for Winky,where is he going to go after the fight,stay at the weight? Lose all the weight and be weight drained for his next fight? At his age,losing all that weight will surely have side effects?
Do people forget that Bhop only moved up from 160 1 fight ago, and he's 42 years old ???.. And how can anyone pretend that this fight should be at 168... I hope they realize that it's at a catch weight of 170.... 2 lbs more ::**. Fair enough with your point tho Gamo, to expect a dull fighht based on styles is perfectly reasonable. To say that this fight has no signifigance and the winner will gain nothing, is not.
Well neither fighter has a win over JT,and neither,for whatever reason has fought JC,a guy who has the tools to beat them both.So I'd much much rather see those fights. And I'm looking at it more from Winky's point of view,WTF is he going to do if he loses? He decided not to rematch JT for this?! Poor poor move imo.
Is this fight PPV?
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
CC mILES,fEN and Mick. The names on paper are exciting but I'm not sure the fight will be and the number 1 point is,why is Winky going to to 170 and number 2,why the hell is Hopkins calling Winky that high? Why does B Hop always want to fight the smaller guy! BOTH have unfinished business with JT,why not fight him,or Calzaghe?2 fights which I think MOST would be far far far more interested in seeing.
Mick nailed it perfectly,there are lots of different types of technical matches which are good. I didn't see technical mastery from B Hop v JT,that was just not punching,not fighting full stop.I don't want to see more feinting than punching, and I don't want to see excessive holding,that's not a "great" technical match. I like to watch excellent fights full of great jabbing,ring generalship etc but if B Hop is going to just throw lots of feints and 1 right hand per round and Winky(whim I am a big fan of) is going to just throw jabs and straights,it's not a good combination of styles.
There are also repercussions for Winky,where is he going to go after the fight,stay at the weight? Lose all the weight and be weight drained for his next fight? At his age,losing all that weight will surely have side effects?
Do people forget that Bhop only moved up from 160 1 fight ago, and he's 42 years old ???.. And how can anyone pretend that this fight should be at 168... I hope they realize that it's at a catch weight of 170.... 2 lbs more ::**. Fair enough with your point tho Gamo, to expect a dull fighht based on styles is perfectly reasonable. To say that this fight has no signifigance and the winner will gain nothing, is not.
I agree bro this fight has a lot of significance! The reason Wright is going to 170 is because Hopkins is the LH champion... nough said!
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
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Originally Posted by Preme
If i am anything about this fight its interested at best; He could prove me wrong and look great, but i think winky is way out of his depth fighting at 170, i think he should of taken the money and fought taylor again or chased miranda or abraham. Hopkins i would personally prefer if he stayed retired, but since he has come out he should be fighting calzaghe or one of the top LHW not another blown up LMW - this fight is about money IMO nothing more.
Nice commnets from El Gamo and Preme :coolclick:'s to the pair of you
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Well neither fighter has a win over JT,and neither,for whatever reason has fought JC,a guy who has the tools to beat them both.So I'd much much rather see those fights. And I'm looking at it more from Winky's point of view,WTF is he going to do if he loses? He decided not to rematch JT for this?! Poor poor move imo.
Is this fight PPV?
I'm a fan in JC's skills, and he very well could beat both of them. But why are we giving him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the Winky and Bernard fights? He's made 1 big fight his entire career and he came very close to screwing that one up. Yet we're supposed to believe that he tried to make these fights happen instead of being content fighting in his backyard against fighters who hardly pose a threat to him?
And why wouldn't Winky take this fight? Bernard is the champ at 175. He's meeting him at a catch weight but it's still a light heavyweight bout and I would assume it's for the title...why wouldn't he want a title shot? Especially at 175 where he makes easy work of everyone there.
And why wouldn't Bernard want Winky? If he loses, he loses to a top P4P guy and in all likelihood, he sees the decision. Plus it brings the most money to the table. Yeah he's a smaller guy but ask yourself this. Is Bernard fighting Winky for any reasons different then why Oscar is fighting Floyd?
Yet I haven't heard Oscar catching any flak. Honestly, the backlash against this fight is surprising to me. Boring fight? Potentially. Insignificant? That's just ludicrous imo.
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Well neither fighter has a win over JT,and neither,for whatever reason has fought JC,a guy who has the tools to beat them both.So I'd much much rather see those fights. And I'm looking at it more from Winky's point of view,WTF is he going to do if he loses? He decided not to rematch JT for this?! Poor poor move imo.
Is this fight PPV?
I'm a fan in JC's skills, and he very well could beat both of them. But why are we giving him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the Winky and Bernard fights? He's made 1 big fight his entire career and he came very close to screwing that one up. Yet we're supposed to believe that he tried to make these fights happen instead of being content fighting in his backyard against fighters who hardly pose a threat to him?
And why wouldn't Winky take this fight? Bernard is the champ at 175. He's meeting him at a catch weight but it's still a light heavyweight bout and I would assume it's for the title...why wouldn't he want a title shot? Especially at 175 where he makes easy work of everyone there.
And why wouldn't Bernard want Winky? If he loses, he loses to a top P4P guy and in all likelihood, he sees the decision. Plus it brings the most money to the table. Yeah he's a smaller guy but ask yourself this. Is Bernard fighting Winky for any reasons different then why Oscar is fighting Floyd?
Yet I haven't heard Oscar catching any flak. Honestly, the backlash against this fight is surprising to me. Boring fight? Potentially. Insignificant? That's just ludicrous imo.
:coolclick: my man. I'm starting to like your posts more and more. Only I wish you would stop posting because I'm less than 100 posts away from making it into the elite top 30 posters of all time, but you are about 30 posts behind and threatening to barge your way past me :(
I've already had Lord's Gym and Ice Cold Boxing push me out of the way and leave a trail of smoke in my face. I won't let it happen again I tells ya! >:mad :P
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Well neither fighter has a win over JT,and neither,for whatever reason has fought JC,a guy who has the tools to beat them both.So I'd much much rather see those fights. And I'm looking at it more from Winky's point of view,WTF is he going to do if he loses? He decided not to rematch JT for this?! Poor poor move imo.
Is this fight PPV?
I'm a fan in JC's skills, and he very well could beat both of them. But why are we giving him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the Winky and Bernard fights? He's made 1 big fight his entire career and he came very close to screwing that one up. Yet we're supposed to believe that he tried to make these fights happen instead of being content fighting in his backyard against fighters who hardly pose a threat to him?
And why wouldn't Winky take this fight? Bernard is the champ at 175. He's meeting him at a catch weight but it's still a light heavyweight bout and I would assume it's for the title...why wouldn't he want a title shot? Especially at 175 where he makes easy work of everyone there.
And why wouldn't Bernard want Winky? If he loses, he loses to a top P4P guy and in all likelihood, he sees the decision. Plus it brings the most money to the table. Yeah he's a smaller guy but ask yourself this. Is Bernard fighting Winky for any reasons different then why Oscar is fighting Floyd?
Yet I haven't heard Oscar catching any flak. Honestly, the backlash against this fight is surprising to me. Boring fight? Potentially. Insignificant? That's just ludicrous imo.
:coolclick: my man. I'm starting to like your posts more and more. Only I wish you would stop posting because I'm less than 100 posts away from making it into the elite top 30 posters of all time, but you are about 30 posts behind and threatening to barge your way past me :(
I've already had Lord's Gym and Ice Cold Boxing push me out of the way and leave a trail of smoke in my face. I won't let it happen again I tells ya! >:mad :P
:lolhaha: I checked that thing a couple days ago and realized I was just a few behind you and I think only 2 spots from joining the first page. The few. The proud. The 30. :army:
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Well neither fighter has a win over JT,and neither,for whatever reason has fought JC,a guy who has the tools to beat them both.So I'd much much rather see those fights. And I'm looking at it more from Winky's point of view,WTF is he going to do if he loses? He decided not to rematch JT for this?! Poor poor move imo.
Is this fight PPV?
I'm a fan in JC's skills, and he very well could beat both of them. But why are we giving him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the Winky and Bernard fights? He's made 1 big fight his entire career and he came very close to screwing that one up. Yet we're supposed to believe that he tried to make these fights happen instead of being content fighting in his backyard against fighters who hardly pose a threat to him?
And why wouldn't Winky take this fight? Bernard is the champ at 175. He's meeting him at a catch weight but it's still a light heavyweight bout and I would assume it's for the title...why wouldn't he want a title shot? Especially at 175 where he makes easy work of everyone there.
And why wouldn't Bernard want Winky? If he loses, he loses to a top P4P guy and in all likelihood, he sees the decision. Plus it brings the most money to the table. Yeah he's a smaller guy but ask yourself this. Is Bernard fighting Winky for any reasons different then why Oscar is fighting Floyd?
Yet I haven't heard Oscar catching any flak. Honestly, the backlash against this fight is surprising to me. Boring fight? Potentially. Insignificant? That's just ludicrous imo.
:coolclick: my man. I'm starting to like your posts more and more. Only I wish you would stop posting because I'm less than 100 posts away from making it into the elite top 30 posters of all time, but you are about 30 posts behind and threatening to barge your way past me :(
I've already had Lord's Gym and Ice Cold Boxing push me out of the way and leave a trail of smoke in my face. I won't let it happen again I tells ya! >:mad :P
:lolhaha: I checked that thing a couple days ago and realized I was just a few behind you and I think only 2 spots from joining the first page. The few. The proud. The 30. :army:
Yup we are like Gideon's army, well one of us will be. Now get out of my way :P
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
I wanna see Bernard do good, yeah hes old but I think hes got the power edge if they fight at light heavy. Wright doesnt have alot of power, theres too much to analyse in this fight it would make your head explode, defense vs defense. Who is gonna throw and who is gonna counter? I see the first round as being a dance competition. I just think Bernard has the edge when it comes to offense, Bernard isnt going to let Winky take over the crown of best defensive fighter.Then hes going after Calzaghe.I think the winner of this fight should fight Calzaghe, either would be another great fight.
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I wanna see Bernard do good, yeah hes old but I think hes got the power edge if they fight at light heavy. Wright doesnt have alot of power, theres too much to analyse in this fight it would make your head explode, defense vs defense. Who is gonna throw and who is gonna counter? I see the first round as being a dance competition. I just think Bernard has the edge when it comes to offense, Bernard isnt going to let Winky take over the crown of best defensive fighter.Then hes going after Calzaghe.I think the winner of this fight should fight Calzaghe, either would be another great fight.
I think the winner will get a big fight out of this. Taylor, Kessler, Calzaghe, maybe even Chad Dawson could all be in line for the winner.
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
Winky isn't a pure counter puncher. He beat Taylor to the punch most of the fight. The only time he didn't was when he became flatfooted. I don't think Winky is going to let his foot off the gas pedal. Especially in the first part of the fight and then it could get good.
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Well neither fighter has a win over JT,and neither,for whatever reason has fought JC,a guy who has the tools to beat them both.So I'd much much rather see those fights. And I'm looking at it more from Winky's point of view,WTF is he going to do if he loses? He decided not to rematch JT for this?! Poor poor move imo.
Is this fight PPV?
I'm a fan in JC's skills, and he very well could beat both of them. But why are we giving him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the Winky and Bernard fights? He's made 1 big fight his entire career and he came very close to screwing that one up. Yet we're supposed to believe that he tried to make these fights happen instead of being content fighting in his backyard against fighters who hardly pose a threat to him?
And why wouldn't Winky take this fight? Bernard is the champ at 175. He's meeting him at a catch weight but it's still a light heavyweight bout and I would assume it's for the title...why wouldn't he want a title shot? Especially at 175 where he makes easy work of everyone there.
And why wouldn't Bernard want Winky? If he loses, he loses to a top P4P guy and in all likelihood, he sees the decision. Plus it brings the most money to the table. Yeah he's a smaller guy but ask yourself this. Is Bernard fighting Winky for any reasons different then why Oscar is fighting Floyd?
Yet I haven't heard Oscar catching any flak. Honestly, the backlash against this fight is surprising to me. Boring fight? Potentially. Insignificant? That's just ludicrous imo.
Why would he want a title shot,who else is there to fight at that weight after B Hop,presuming he wins? Whereas at 160 there were so many great fights to be made first and second,a JT fight takes precedent simply because it's unresolved business ,third,I'm sure he would have made more from the JT fight and fourth,he has more options after the fight. It would also be a more exciting fight.
And the Oscar Floyd is TOTALLY different! Floyd is the one who kept calling Oscar out! Floyd is the one who wants the big $$$ no matter what! Oscar is taking a much bigger risk than Winky is.
And like I said,anyone can say what they want,but Fenster has posted so much information about JC wanting to make a fight with B Hop. And at this stage,JC would hand them both(Winky and B Hop)ass whoopings imo.
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
im hopeing this will be a good fight, as much as i like winky i hope b-hop wins, this should be a display of tactics and skills a real chess match
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
id say winky edges a sd win
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
CC back Gamo 8)
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Originally Posted by bilbo
Hopkin's age surely counts as ample compensation for Winky's weight disadvantage.
Now you're coming round to my way of thinking
The excuses are already set. Little man vs old man. ;)
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B Hop is a living legend, if he was to go on a fight for a heavyweight belt he could well beat Foreman's record and become the oldest ever heavyweight champ as well as the only true full middleweight to win a heavyweight title, as both Jones Jr and Toney were really higher weight fighters.
He did what Ray Robinson could not and won the light heavyweight title. Robinson was also scheduled to fight Floyd Patterson before it fell through after Patterson was knocked out against Liston. Hopkins is as keen a boxing historian as anyone. He knows that if he wins a heavyweight crown it would put him in the top 10 greatest of all time. Anyone with an appreciation of boxing history can see the merit in such a fight. He's also trying to create a better legacy than his two arch rivals Roy Jones Jr and James Toney.
There's four belts today not one. Foreman won back the linear title... Did you class Roy Jones as the no.1 heavyweight champ of the world when he beat Johnnyboy? Remember Lennox Lewis? Ruiz was nothing but a pony alphabet holder. Yet again, nobody gives a funk about Hopkins boring a shit-alphabet-plodder to death.
And Hopkins would NEVER in a million, GAZILLION years be regarded as a top 10 fighter of all time ;D
Most BORING "great" fighter maybe. ;)
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Re: Am I the only one excited for Bernard-Wright?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by amat
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Well neither fighter has a win over JT,and neither,for whatever reason has fought JC,a guy who has the tools to beat them both.So I'd much much rather see those fights. And I'm looking at it more from Winky's point of view,WTF is he going to do if he loses? He decided not to rematch JT for this?! Poor poor move imo.
Is this fight PPV?
I'm a fan in JC's skills, and he very well could beat both of them. But why are we giving him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the Winky and Bernard fights? He's made 1 big fight his entire career and he came very close to screwing that one up. Yet we're supposed to believe that he tried to make these fights happen instead of being content fighting in his backyard against fighters who hardly pose a threat to him?
And why wouldn't Winky take this fight? Bernard is the champ at 175. He's meeting him at a catch weight but it's still a light heavyweight bout and I would assume it's for the title...why wouldn't he want a title shot? Especially at 175 where he makes easy work of everyone there.
And why wouldn't Bernard want Winky? If he loses, he loses to a top P4P guy and in all likelihood, he sees the decision. Plus it brings the most money to the table. Yeah he's a smaller guy but ask yourself this. Is Bernard fighting Winky for any reasons different then why Oscar is fighting Floyd?
Yet I haven't heard Oscar catching any flak. Honestly, the backlash against this fight is surprising to me. Boring fight? Potentially. Insignificant? That's just ludicrous imo.
Why would he want a title shot,who else is there to fight at that weight after B Hop,presuming he wins? Whereas at 160 there were so many great fights to be made first and second,a JT fight takes precedent simply because it's unresolved business ,third,I'm sure he would have made more from the JT fight and fourth,he has more options after the fight. It would also be a more exciting fight.
And the Oscar Floyd is TOTALLY different! Floyd is the one who kept calling Oscar out! Floyd is the one who wants the big $$$ no matter what! Oscar is taking a much bigger risk than Winky is.
And like I said,anyone can say what they want,but Fenster has posted so much information about JC wanting to make a fight with B Hop. And at this stage,JC would hand them both(Winky and B Hop)ass whoopings imo.
He could fight a lot of people. Winky isn't that small. He started his career at 154, and basically killed himself to make it. He's really only fighting 10 lbs above his natural weight. And that can bee put on easily. I bet you when the two step into the ring that Winky will be the same size as Hopkins. If you've seen the sparring videos of Wright and Tarver, Wright is just as big as Tarver is. Shorter but it's not like it's going to be Ouma - Taylor in there. Wright wasn't to terribly smaller then JT either and JT is huge. People are holding his reign at 154 against him. But didn't Mayweather fight at 129 and 135? Yet most people believe he belongs at 147.
And I do agree that the JT fight should take precedent over a B-Hop fight but what do you do? He didn't want that fight so he took the next best fight out there.
I don't think Calzaghe belongs in the discussion. Not at all. MIKKELL KESSLER, is the guy he has to fight. Let him worry about the guys who are actually at his weight. That's a big fight, one that needs to be made before JC can think about Hopkins or Wright. As for Calzaghe matching up with them - he's a fast fighter - that's about the only advantage he has over either of them. I would favor him against Hopkins but not Wright.
And I was weighing Hopkins risk against Wright compared to Oscar's. Both are aging. Facing top P4P guys with little power and guys that bring a bigger payday then anyone else out there. But because the styles aren't as appeasing and because Calzaghe is sitting there fighting Manfredo, this match up gets crucified.
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And Hopkins would NEVER in a million, GAZILLION years be regarded as a top 10 fighter of all time ;D
21 title defenses and he doesn't even get consideration? I think most everyone would have Hopkins in the to 20. Most would have him top 15. Yet is somehow unfathomable that he IN A GAZILLION years is top 10 All time? That couldn't be farther from the case, especially if he wins the Wright fight and goes on to win a couple more big ones.
