fighters that you thought would do greats things but never quite made it

Good thread, I have some more nominations:

Mark Breland

Duane Bobick

Don Curry

Adrian Dodson

Randy Turpin

Harry Wills (for those of you that can remember the 1920's) ;D

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Ed Hopson (great hand speed)

Kelcie Banks (So much skills, no results)

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Spadafora
'Mi Vida Loca' Tapia
Gabriel & Rafael Ruelas

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Tapia? Really. He did a lot in his career.

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One of the best examples has to be Davey Moore. A boy wonder, world champ after just 10 fights at the age of 23.

He faced Roberto Duran in his fourth defense, got knocked out then just wasn't the same fighter. Washed up just a few years later, never got another sniff at a title and died in an accident in 1988 aged 29

One of boxing's saddest stories. :'(

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davey moore reminds me of david reid there career took near enough same path

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I agree. I've noticed the similarites between them as well. David Reid looked to be something. Till the Tito fight ruined him.

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There are no similarities between them. And I have no idea why people say Trinidad ruined Reid. It's so untrue. The Trinidad fight was a cash out fight for Reid. His eye lid problem was never going to go away. And Reid had already been struggling defending his title against average competition. So the Trinidad fight was made to allow Reid a million dollar paycheck. Trinidad gave Reid a bad beating. But he didn't ruin him. The eye lid problem ruined him.

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After two more wins, he faced former world champion Simon Brown, knocking him out in four rounds on June 27, at Reid's hometown. On October 24, he claimed his first belt, defeating James Cocker by a twelve round unanimous decision, to win the WBC's continental Americas Jr. Middleweight title.

After that victory, he was deemed as ready for a world title try by his management team, and so, on March 6, 1999, Reid became a world champion in only his tenth professional bout (making him one of the boxers to win a world title in the fastest time, also like the second Davey Moore), by beating WBA world junior middleweight champion Laurent Boudouani by a twelve round unanimous decision in Atlantic City.

Reid defend his title against a veteran like Trinidad in only his twelfth professional bout, a fact that reminded many of the case of the second Davey Moore 17 years before, when he defended the same WBA Jr, Middleweight title, in only his thirteenth bout, against the far more experienced, Roberto Duran.

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meldrick taylor

fernando vargas

herol graham

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vargas did some good S***. he was the youngest jr middleweight champ ever if im not mistaken and he has one a handful of world titles. i would say he went pretty far...as far as he could; he just had some stiff competition a la oscar, trinidad and mosley.

Meldrick Taylor yeah he was just never the same after the Chavez fight.

I wanna say Tyson just cause I know he coulda done so much more if he had kept his head screwed on straight.

Audley Harrison is a big let down.

Razor Ruddock pre-Lennox Lewis

Riddick Bowe.

Tommy Morrison...too bad he couldnt keep it in his pants. retiring at 27 and now coming back man that's a lot of time to lose over a piece of pussy.

Roy Jones...no wait. that guy's F****** awesome.

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vargas didnt do as good as people thought though because he was rushed into big fights yes he won title but he still good of been whole lot better

meldrick taylor had quickest hands ive ever seen he could of been a great but he brawled too much and didnt use his excellent skills enough what cost him

i think after mercer beat him no one thought he would do great things because of his soft chin

razor ruddock well i dunno about people thinking he would do great things he was hard hitter had decent chin and had good heart but after both of tyson losses he proved he had good heart and good chin and ect but also proved he would never quite make it at top level and lewis certainly proved that after battering him in 2

agreed about bowe he could of been all time great in that era shame he loved food too much also he could of fought ray mercer all mercer had to do was get past jesse ferguson but was outboxed over 10 rounds and it never happened i also heard he was going to fight lewis after mccall but again lewis was koed in 2 and again he was going to fight tyson after golota and we know what happened there :(

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Gabriel & Rafael Ruelas

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Spadafora was great..Shot his girlfriend or something didnt he?

Gabriel looked great on his comeback against gatti but got ko'd.. Before that didnt one of his opponents die? Fighters are never the same after something like that..

Is spadafora still defeated now?.. I think he made a small time comeback recentley?!
Peace

Meldrick Taylor - after the chaves fight, forget it

JT- yeah he's the champ, yeah he's undefeated but i expected so much more like his improvements in the ring. don't know for some reason just doesn't do it for me.

Joel Julio - i know HBO had high hopes for him ;D

Terry Norris - man this guy was something but what happened to all those mega fights that could have happened and never did????

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Meldrick Taylor - after the chaves fight, forget it

JT- yeah he's the champ, yeah he's undefeated but i expected so much more like his improvements in the ring. don't know for some reason just doesn't do it for me.

Joel Julio - i know HBO had high hopes for him ;D

Terry Norris - man this guy was something but what happened to all those mega fights that could have happened and never did????

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Love Child! Haha i forgot about that guy ;D

Actually, that says a lot :-\

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Howard Eastman. If there is a more frustrating boxer out there someone let me know who he is.

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Could'nt agree more i love Howard but god he can be negative at times

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Meldrick Taylor - after the chaves fight, forget it

JT- yeah he's the champ, yeah he's undefeated but i expected so much more like his improvements in the ring. don't know for some reason just doesn't do it for me.

Joel Julio - i know HBO had high hopes for him ;D

Terry Norris - man this guy was something but what happened to all those mega fights that could have happened and never did????

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norris had some great fights but what let him down was getting dq thats where 3 out of his 9 losses come from and plus his chin wasnt all that great mate

good point DQs to a bum like Santana suck but even if he didn't win i would have liked him to fight some better fighters throughout his career

Naz.

First step into p4p teritory and he got beat.

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First step into p4p teritory and he got beat.

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Naz was a great british fighter and if Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe are best of british then we have problems

MIKE TYSON should have accomplished so much more!
JEFF LACY i thought would destroy all super middles :-\
LARRY HOLMES holmes dosent get the recognition he deserves.Why?not sure,i think it had something to do with his shite personality and the fact that he came out of ali's shadow..........i think holmes was better than ali......i put holmes in the top 5 HW of all time,but not to many people consider holmes that great and its a shame.....he is very underrated

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MIKE TYSON should have accomplished so much more!
JEFF LACY i thought would destroy all super middles :-\
LARRY HOLMES holmes dosent get the recognition he deserves.Why?not sure,i think it had something to do with his shite personality and the fact that he came out of ali's shadow..........i think holmes was better than ali......i put holmes in the top 5 HW of all time,but not to many people consider holmes that great and its a shame.....he is very underrated

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Larry Holmes is great.
He's my favorite Heavyweight.

Im a poet and i don't know.

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MIKE TYSON should have accomplished so much more!
JEFF LACY i thought would destroy all super middles :-\
LARRY HOLMES holmes dosent get the recognition he deserves.Why?not sure,i think it had something to do with his shite personality and the fact that he came out of ali's shadow..........i think holmes was better than ali......i put holmes in the top 5 HW of all time,but not to many people consider holmes that great and its a shame.....he is very underrated

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Larry Holmes is great.
He's my favorite Heavyweight.

Im a poet and i don't know.

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MIKE TYSON should have accomplished so much more!
JEFF LACY i thought would destroy all super middles :-\
LARRY HOLMES holmes dosent get the recognition he deserves.Why?not sure,i think it had something to do with his shite personality and the fact that he came out of ali's shadow..........i think holmes was better than ali......i put holmes in the top 5 HW of all time,but not to many people consider holmes that great and its a shame.....he is very underrated

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Larry Holmes is great.
He's my favorite Heavyweight.

Im a poet and i don't know.

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i can rap to mr boogie....yo check out my tight rhymes fool

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MIKE TYSON should have accomplished so much more!
JEFF LACY i thought would destroy all super middles :-\
LARRY HOLMES holmes dosent get the recognition he deserves.Why?not sure,i think it had something to do with his shite personality and the fact that he came out of ali's shadow..........i think holmes was better than ali......i put holmes in the top 5 HW of all time,but not to many people consider holmes that great and its a shame.....he is very underrated

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Larry Holmes is great.
He's my favorite Heavyweight.

Im a poet and i don't know.

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Have a :coolclick:

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Yeah! he did a lot but I thought he could have done A LOT more then what he did especially at Bantam & Super Bantam where I think he could have possibly sealed himself as an ATG.....

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Spadafora was great..Shot his girlfriend or something didnt he?

Gabriel looked great on his comeback against gatti but got ko'd.. Before that didnt one of his opponents die? Fighters are never the same after something like that..

Is spadafora still defeated now?.. I think he made a small time comeback recentley?!
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Yeah! Spada shot his girl in the stomach.....

Jimmy Garcia passed away due to injuries sustained after his bout with Gabriel Ruelas.....
And your right fighters are never the same after an incident like that Jesus Chavez, Mancini, Griffith.

Spada is still undefeated and he just fought in Nov. 2006 and is scheduled to fight tonight against Oisin Fagan whos 17-3 but hasn't lost since 2004 and is on a 11 fight wining streak....

Almost forgot about Ben Tackie

A little known fighter called Engels Pedroza who won his first 19 fights by knockout including 13 in the first round! Most of these fights were in Las Vegas and he showed great promise then ran into Mike Johnson who put out his lights in 9 after Pedroza was leading on all scorecards This guy was good but failed to live up to early promise.

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Ed Hopson (great hand speed)

Kelcie Banks (So much skills, no results)

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Tapia? Really. He did a lot in his career.

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One of the best examples has to be Davey Moore. A boy wonder, world champ after just 10 fights at the age of 23.

He faced Roberto Duran in his fourth defense, got knocked out then just wasn't the same fighter. Washed up just a few years later, never got another sniff at a title and died in an accident in 1988 aged 29

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davey moore reminds me of david reid there career took near enough same path

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I agree. I've noticed the similarites between them as well. David Reid looked to be something. Till the Tito fight ruined him.

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There are no similarities between them. And I have no idea why people say Trinidad ruined Reid. It's so untrue. The Trinidad fight was a cash out fight for Reid. His eye lid problem was never going to go away. And Reid had already been struggling defending his title against average competition. So the Trinidad fight was made to allow Reid a million dollar paycheck. Trinidad gave Reid a bad beating. But he didn't ruin him. The eye lid problem ruined him.

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After two more wins, he faced former world champion Simon Brown, knocking him out in four rounds on June 27, at Reid's hometown. On October 24, he claimed his first belt, defeating James Cocker by a twelve round unanimous decision, to win the WBC's continental Americas Jr. Middleweight title.

After that victory, he was deemed as ready for a world title try by his management team, and so, on March 6, 1999, Reid became a world champion in only his tenth professional bout (making him one of the boxers to win a world title in the fastest time, also like the second Davey Moore), by beating WBA world junior middleweight champion Laurent Boudouani by a twelve round unanimous decision in Atlantic City.

Reid defend his title against a veteran like Trinidad in only his twelfth professional bout, a fact that reminded many of the case of the second Davey Moore 17 years before, when he defended the same WBA Jr, Middleweight title, in only his thirteenth bout, against the far more experienced, Roberto Duran.

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I'm very well aware of Reid and Moore accomplishments. But what you need to understand is that unlike Moore, Reid had an eye lid problem. In which his eye lid would constantly droop. He had several surgeries to try and correct it. But nothing worked. It is the reason why Reid career had to be rushed. You see I followed Reid career since before the Olympics. And I knew he was destined for great things. But that eye lid problem was always a handicap. And it turned out to be a career ender. It always bothers me to hear Reid mention as some kind of bust. When he's not. If anything he was an over-achiever if anything.

Randall "Tex" Cobb

tyson
herol graham
hamed
vargas
frank tate
michael olajide
michael nunn
the main waste for me is IKE IBEABUCHI he wud eat all these heavies for breakfast in my opinion

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nice list cc

i dont think anyone has mentioned david tua yet oh yea jt rock did gotta think for second then


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Jo-el Scott
Marshall Martinez

gerald mcclelan....i think he would have achieved greatness on some level if............well you know :(

I remember after Juan Carlos Gomez schooled Sinan Samil Sam proclaiming him "the official saviour of the heavyweight division" and the man who was gonna dominate. Naturally, he got sparked out in the first round of his next fight.

Howard Eastman should've done much more than he did, he gave away his title shot by being complacent against William Joppy. he was toying with him in that fight. He fared better against Bernard Hopkins than most though, but there was a time when he was easily the no.2 heavyweight out there and spent his time outclassing the likes of Scott Dann and Gary Beardsley! Would've liked to seen him in the mix more, he could've given Taylor, Winky, Vargas, and a lot of other guys a good fight.

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fernando vargas

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Tony TNT Tucker he had everything needed to become the greatest heavyweight of all time. Great jab great movement and a good punch. But against Tyson he never put the effort in. A waste of a great talent.

kirkland Laing one of the most naturely talented boxers ever. on his day he could have beaten anyone.

Colin Jones got robbed twice against mccrory and only lost to Don Curry because of a cut nose.

Tony Ayala

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Mark Breland
Paul Gonzalez
Ricardo Williams
Pinklon Thomas
Jesse Benavides

Yeah - Pinklon Thomas was a talented guy, and he let it fall by the wayside.

Breland - definitely!

Aint read the whole thread, but my pick is David Reid

Anyone remember Lawrence Clay-Bey?

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andrew golota boy what a waste of talent

greg page

tony tubbs

How about Buster Douglas?

A stunning performance against the seemingly invincible Baddest Man on the Planet ....... he was almost perfect that night - great jab, sound technique, good footwark, high workrate, sneaky right hand, strong chin and good heart.

That Douglas could have gone on to do great things and become another Cinderella Man, another rematch with a properly motivated Tyson, fights with a much smaller Holyfield and then maybe superfights agsint the Bowe and Lewis's.

Instead he went straight to the fridge and bombed out.

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Howard Eastman. If there is a more frustrating boxer out there someone let me know who he is.

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Jonney Nelson. Had great skills but never wanted to push himself or risk it.
I's also throw out Nassem Hamed and Don Curry