Is the Prince of Puerto Rico ready to step in and become the king

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I may be missing something but wot is the big deal with Zab Judah he lost to spinks / baldimer / and has a glass jaw i think Cotto wins inside 3 myself.
As for Mayweather id love to see him and Cotto get it on :)

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You ain't missing a thing, it's them (the Zab believers) who are missing a few brain cells..... I like to call them 'delusional'.......

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Sir you are wise beyond your years im glad to interact with an equal :)

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:teacher: Why thank you, you are far too kind......

How do you think PBF vs. Cotto would play out, if you can make some type of prediction?

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I'll give you one, imagine Cotto being dominated.

Then you have that fight

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Easier said then done.

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And Mayweather does both ;)

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Thats right my fav. performance of his was against JLC in their 1st meeting.

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And thats my favorite argument when people say Floyd could lose because of that fight. But then I'll say over a corse of 5 years it must have been impossible for Mayweather to improve then wouldn't it be? But then again didn't Sosa and Ndou and Baldomir try the same thing against Mayweather?


How much success did they have ??? :)

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Let me ask you this then do you think PBF won the fight?
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The first Castillo fight? No I dont

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Well I as I said I won't comment on the fight until after it happened lord knows I've spent too much time on that and people won't get it....
I just can't wait 'till after the fight to hear what kind of excuse we will get this time around from the Zab fans....

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But I don't think people are arguing that Zab is going to definitely beat Cotto (at least I'm not).
Cotto will be a strong favorite heading into the fight and he should be. I think where Cotto supporters are making a mistake is in making an argument that Judah has no business in this fight and that he's an easy victory. That could not be further from the truth. Judah is a much more dangerous opponent than a garbage fighter like Margarito.

The Baldomir loss was horrible, no one can dispute that. Judah was arrogant, unfocused, he showed Baldomir no respect.... horrible performance all around.
But other than that, Judah has lost to Kostya Tszyu (a future HOFer), Cory Spinks (a world champ who Judah dominated and KOd in the rematch) and Mayweather (the best fighter in the world and a future HOFer).
As I said before, Cotto has been hurt by fighters with a lot less hand speed and less power than Judah has.

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I may be missing something but wot is the big deal with Zab Judah he lost to spinks / baldimer / and has a glass jaw i think Cotto wins inside 3 myself.
As for Mayweather id love to see him and Cotto get it on :)

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You ain't missing a thing, it's them (the Zab believers) who are missing a few brain cells..... I like to call them 'delusional'.......

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Sir you are wise beyond your years im glad to interact with an equal :)

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:teacher: Why thank you, you are far too kind......

How do you think PBF vs. Cotto would play out, if you can make some type of prediction?

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I'll give you one, imagine Cotto being dominated.

Then you have that fight

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Easier said then done.

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And Mayweather does both ;)

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Thats right my fav. performance of his was against JLC in their 1st meeting.

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And thats my favorite argument when people say Floyd could lose because of that fight. But then I'll say over a corse of 5 years it must have been impossible for Mayweather to improve then wouldn't it be? But then again didn't Sosa and Ndou and Baldomir try the same thing against Mayweather?


How much success did they have ??? :)

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Let me ask you this then do you think PBF won the fight?

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The first Castillo fight? No I dont
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So I'll say it again, easier said then done and the JLC fight proves that.

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I may be missing something but wot is the big deal with Zab Judah he lost to spinks / baldimer / and has a glass jaw i think Cotto wins inside 3 myself.
As for Mayweather id love to see him and Cotto get it on :)

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You ain't missing a thing, it's them (the Zab believers) who are missing a few brain cells..... I like to call them 'delusional'.......

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Sir you are wise beyond your years im glad to interact with an equal :)

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:teacher: Why thank you, you are far too kind......

How do you think PBF vs. Cotto would play out, if you can make some type of prediction?

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I'll give you one, imagine Cotto being dominated.

Then you have that fight

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Easier said then done.

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And Mayweather does both ;)

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Thats right my fav. performance of his was against JLC in their 1st meeting.

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And thats my favorite argument when people say Floyd could lose because of that fight. But then I'll say over a corse of 5 years it must have been impossible for Mayweather to improve then wouldn't it be? But then again didn't Sosa and Ndou and Baldomir try the same thing against Mayweather?


How much success did they have ??? :)

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Let me ask you this then do you think PBF won the fight?

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The first Castillo fight? No I dont

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So I'll say it again, easier said then done and the JLC fight proves that.
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Same can be said for any fighter thinking that bullrushing Mayweather is going to lead them to victory. Eaiser said then done right cutmemick?

Mayweather "said" in the rematch he'd win easy, and Castillo said he'd knock Mayweather out..

Who delivered?

There's a huge flaw in using the first Castillo fight as the big example of how to beat Mayweather. That line of reasoning assumes that the 2002 version of Mayweather is the same as the 2007 version. And that's not true.
His defense is better, his straight right hand is much better. His ability to work off the ropes is better.
The things that Castillo did to give Mayweather problems don't work as well now as they used to.

If you'd asked me on that night in 2002 if Floyd could move up and win titles at 147, I probably would have said no.
Yet he has moved up successfully and won titles, and it's because he's made a lot of improvements and is a much better fighter now than he was then.

Majesty
Spot on man, PBF delivered and proved us all wrong.

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There's a huge flaw in using the first Castillo fight as the big example of how to beat Mayweather. That line of reasoning assumes that the 2002 version of Mayweather is the same as the 2007 version. And that's not true.
His defense is better, his straight right hand is much better. His ability to work off the ropes is better.
The things that Castillo did to give Mayweather problems don't work as well now as they used to.

If you'd asked me on that night in 2002 if Floyd could move up and win titles at 147, I probably would have said no.
Yet he has moved up successfully and won titles, and it's because he's made a lot of improvements and is a much better fighter now than he was then.

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I'm not saying that is the way to beat PBF, I'm saying PBF is not unbeatble people throw names out in the air of fighters hes beat look at the names and tell me the names are the best that are/were around?
The JLC fight shows that PBF is beatable so when I commented earlier on a Cotto-PBF fight and said how woudl it go?
The answer I got from Majesty was plain and simple as if it had already happened or it was a 100% defenitive answer.

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I'll give you one, imagine Cotto being dominated.
Then you have that fight

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Easier said then done.
So you see my arguement was that PBF would not complete dominate Cotto and my arguement surged with saying that the JLC fight was my fav. performace of his. Indicating that he has struggled before and would not dominate Cotto.

And I agree about the PBF of 2002 vs. PBF of 2007 are not the same, but isn't it also unfair to say that PBF would beat Cotto cause hes beat fighters that are somewhat like Cotto? I read that all the time.....
Or that PBF would beat Margarito cause PBF beat N'dou and Margarito is similar to N'dou...... The street runs both ways......

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Indicating that he has struggled before and would not dominate Cotto.

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I thought your point was everyone can be beaten. But thats basically it.

But U do ask, who has Floyd struggled with since that fight?

CC Mick.Great points all the way through the thread.

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Indicating that he has struggled before and would not dominate Cotto.

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I thought your point was everyone can be beaten. But thats basically it.

But U do ask, who has Floyd struggled with since that fight?

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He hasn't struggled with anyone since then but let me turn that around...who has been as good as Castillo? Certainly not Gatti,Baldomir,Brusseles etc. Dang that's a good point I made ;D ;D ;D :D 8) O0 :lickish:

And there' no basis for saying Floyd would dominate Cotto just because he has beaten some of these other guys. He has not fought anyone anywhere near Cotto's level at 140/147.

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CC Mick.Great points all the way through the thread.

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Indicating that he has struggled before and would not dominate Cotto.

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I thought your point was everyone can be beaten. But thats basically it.

But U do ask, who has Floyd struggled with since that fight?

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He hasn't struggled with anyone since then but let me turn that around...who has been as good as Castillo? Certainly not Gatti,Baldomir,Brusseles etc. Dang that's a good point I made ;D ;D ;D :D 8) O0 :lickish:

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Maybe not on a PFP basis.
But Floyd has moved up to face bigger stronger fighters.
Judah or Baldomir would both be heavily favored against Castillo.

PBF is beatable...But Hatton,Cotto,Margo,DLH,Mosley cant do it.

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CC Mick.Great points all the way through the thread.

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Indicating that he has struggled before and would not dominate Cotto.

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I thought your point was everyone can be beaten. But thats basically it.

But U do ask, who has Floyd struggled with since that fight?

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He hasn't struggled with anyone since then but let me turn that around...who has been as good as Castillo? Certainly not Gatti,Baldomir,Brusseles etc. Dang that's a good point I made ;D ;D ;D :D 8) O0 :lickish:

And there' no basis for saying Floyd would dominate Cotto just because he has beaten some of these other guys. He has not fought anyone anywhere near Cotto's level at 140/147.

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CC#1456 El Gamo, very well said.....
He hasn't struggled but who has he fought? A blown up Welter in Sharmba?

RJJ said "they say I didnt fight nobody...I just made em look like nobody"

P4P wise,none of those guys are anywhere near as skilled as JLC.End of. None were as strong,intelligent,agressive and warrior like. Floyd has been HEAVY favourite against everyone he has fought at 140 and 147 because he has not taken any risks like he did with JLC.

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CC Mick.Great points all the way through the thread.

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Indicating that he has struggled before and would not dominate Cotto.

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I thought your point was everyone can be beaten. But thats basically it.

But U do ask, who has Floyd struggled with since that fight?

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He hasn't struggled with anyone since then but let me turn that around...who has been as good as Castillo? Certainly not Gatti,Baldomir,Brusseles etc. Dang that's a good point I made ;D ;D ;D :D 8) O0 :lickish:

And there' no basis for saying Floyd would dominate Cotto just because he has beaten some of these other guys. He has not fought anyone anywhere near Cotto's level at 140/147.

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CC#1456 El Gamo, very well said.....
He hasn't struggled but who has he fought? A blown up Welter in Sharmba?

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EXACTLY dude.

Talkin about Floyds competition...who has Cotto,Margo,spinks,hatton,etc...fought?

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Talkin about Floyds competition...who has Cotto,Margo,spinks,hatton,etc...fought?

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It's not really the issue here because they don't call themselves the GOAT of all time,they don't badmouth legends and they have taken risks in the last 2 years or so. Also,if you're considered P4P number 1,you are obviously going to be scrutinised more.

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P4P wise,none of those guys are anywhere near as skilled as JLC.End of. None were as strong,intelligent,agressive and warrior like.

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Right, that's what I said.
But fights aren't fought in a mythical PFP basis.
Castillo is better than Baldomir or Judah PFP-wise, but not in a real-weights sense.
Like I said, if Castillo were to fight Baldomir or Judah at 147 (like Floyd did) Castillo would be a significant underdog in both of those fights.

It jus seems to me that anyone with over 20 wins and less than 6 losses with a big time promoter can call Floyd out...and if he doesnt except their challenge he is dodging them or picking weak competition.They need to put some names on their resume before they get a shot at Floyd.

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It jus seems to me that anyone with over 20 wins and less than 6 losses with a big time promoter can call Floyd out...and if he doesnt except their challenge he is dodging them or picking weak competition.They need to put some names on their resume before they get a shot at Floyd.

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Who do you think Floyd should fight in late '07 (assuming he beats Oscar)?
You've stated Mosley doesn't deserve it. Who has the names on the resume to warrant a shot after DLH?

He already has expressed that he wants to fight Hatton...so I think its a done deal.I'd like to see Mosley vs Cotto and Margo vs Berto and the winners take on each other...and who ever comes out on top take on Floyd.

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He already has expressed that he wants to fight Hatton...

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Do you think Hatton is more worthy of a title shot at 147 than Mosley? Do you think he's a more dangerous opponent than Mosley?

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I'd like to see Mosley vs Cotto and Margo vs Berto and the winners take on each other...and who ever comes out on top take on Floyd.

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Ok, but while this all plays out, Floyd is sitting around doing nothing. If you want all these fights to happen, they're not all going to be done until next year. Floyd needs an opponent for late '07. There isn't time to have all these contenders eliminate each other.

Your name and last fight alone doesnt warrant a "shot" at Floyd.Hatton has a stellar record and is a legend over in England and Floyd has been itching to fight him after Hatton bashed him ringside at the Gatti(It could have been the Judah fight...not sure).Those three components are the reason why the fight will happen.1.It'll sell out 2.One will drop that egg off from their record 3.Floyd really wants to fight him..so its not like a mandatory fight.Floyd doesnt need an opponent for late 07...after DLH he wont have to chase anyone...and he is only 31 so he has plenty of time.

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Your name and last fight alone doesnt warrant a "shot" at Floyd.Hatton has a stellar record and is a legend over in England

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So you're saying that Hatton is a more legitimate opponent for a title fight at 147 pounds?
Hatton's welterweight resume consists of barely beating Collazo and then running back to 140.
Mosley is a champ at both 147 and 154.

I'm not saying Floyd shouldn't fight Hatton. I'd be fine with watching that fight and it would be a huge event. I just completely fail to see how Hatton deserves a fight, yet Mosley doesn't. That seems to be what you're saying.

After getting dominated by Wright twice.Mosley lost some leverage.The ONLY reason why Floyds name is being brought up is b/c of Mosleys good last fight.I wouldnt say that Hatton deserves a shot over Mosley..but Hatton is bringing way more to the table.
Winky countered Mosley to death.
Winky beat him to the punch 80% of the time.
Winky frustrated Mosley.

Floyd excellent counter puncher argueablly the best.
Floyd will beat anyone to the punch due to his excellent timing gained from his uncles mitt work.
Floyd would def. frustrate Mosley