Defensive Messiah?

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You know you're a great defensive fighter when someone needs to make a video about the one time you got hit.

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That aint the point. Everyone talks about how Corley hurt Cotto and these are all his little fan boys. They have posted the video where Cotto stomps imaginary cockroaches in the middle of the ring. No one has ever posted the times Floyd was getting his clock rung by Corley. And so, I had to make a counter video. Hope you guys liked them apples :)

All you guys can say is that the ref stopped the fight too soon. I agree but you guys make it sound like Cotto was not putting a dent in Corley. LMAO. You know you are lying when you all come up with some lame shiet like that. Cotto was destroying Corley unlike Floyd who has to take him 12 rounds by just running.

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And yet Floyd dropped him 3 times legitimately without the ref helping :)

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by meowza

You know you're a great defensive fighter when someone needs to make a video about the one time you got hit.

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That aint the point. Everyone talks about how Corley hurt Cotto and these are all his little fan boys. They have posted the video where Cotto stomps imaginary cockroaches in the middle of the ring. No one has ever posted the times Floyd was getting his clock rung by Corley. And so, I had to make a counter video. Hope you guys liked them apples :)

All you guys can say is that the ref stopped the fight too soon. I agree but you guys make it sound like Cotto was not putting a dent in Corley. LMAO. You know you are lying when you all come up with some lame shiet like that. Cotto was destroying Corley unlike Floyd who has to take him 12 rounds by just running.

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And yet Floyd dropped him 3 times legitimately without the ref helping :)

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And what is your point?
The ref helped Cotto knock down Corley 3 times?

What the hell are you talking about?

Was the ref hitting Corley too?

Come off it bro. You know Corley was being tore up from the floor up.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by meowza

You know you're a great defensive fighter when someone needs to make a video about the one time you got hit.

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That aint the point. Everyone talks about how Corley hurt Cotto and these are all his little fan boys. They have posted the video where Cotto stomps imaginary cockroaches in the middle of the ring. No one has ever posted the times Floyd was getting his clock rung by Corley. And so, I had to make a counter video. Hope you guys liked them apples :)

All you guys can say is that the ref stopped the fight too soon. I agree but you guys make it sound like Cotto was not putting a dent in Corley. LMAO. You know you are lying when you all come up with some lame shiet like that. Cotto was destroying Corley unlike Floyd who has to take him 12 rounds by just running.

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And yet Floyd dropped him 3 times legitimately without the ref helping :)

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And what is your point?
The ref helped Cotto knock down Corley 3 times?

What the hell are you talking about?

Was the ref hitting Corley too?

Come off it bro. You know Corley was being tore up from the floor up.

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I know the fight was stopped on two missed Cotto shots ;D

golly gosh for all the traps you set for other posters you sure fall into mine rather easily ;)

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

Defensive Messiah?

A lot has been said about Cotto getting put on Queer Blvd and Stomping Cockroach Ave by DeMarcus Corley. Mostly the PBF fan boys throw that out there when ever they can.
Why don't they mention how Corley had PBF in trouble? They talk about how great Floyd's defense is. He was getting taxed by Corley

Enjoy the show.
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This is the clown that says he is better than Sugar Ray Leonard?

Please.

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Salthebutcher(E-Z Wider) made a much better vid then yours ;D

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Yes his video is better because we know Zab Judah got his azz knocked into LA LA land by Kostya Tszyu in the 2nd round and yet Zab was giving The great Defensive Messiah fits LMAO.

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Originally Posted by meowza

You know you're a great defensive fighter when someone needs to make a video about the one time you got hit.

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That aint the point. Everyone talks about how Corley hurt Cotto and these are all his little fan boys. They have posted the video where Cotto stomps imaginary cockroaches in the middle of the ring. No one has ever posted the times Floyd was getting his clock rung by Corley. And so, I had to make a counter video. Hope you guys liked them apples :)

All you guys can say is that the ref stopped the fight too soon. I agree but you guys make it sound like Cotto was not putting a dent in Corley. LMAO. You know you are lying when you all come up with some lame shiet like that. Cotto was destroying Corley unlike Floyd who has to take him 12 rounds by just running.

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And yet Floyd dropped him 3 times legitimately without the ref helping :)

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And what is your point?
The ref helped Cotto knock down Corley 3 times?

What the hell are you talking about?

Was the ref hitting Corley too?

Come off it bro. You know Corley was being tore up from the floor up.

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I know the fight was stopped on two missed Cotto shots ;D

golly gosh for all the traps you set for other posters you sure fall into mine rather easily ;)

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I dont set traps I speak truths.
You normally speak truths and I don't have a problem with you but when you start to lie to kick it then I will be more than happy to point your lies out.
Yes the fight was stopped on phantom punches. Corley should have stood his ground but he felt Cotto's power and it was just too much for him. What can I say. It is what it is. Corley was saved from a more brutal beating then he got. He should be thanking the ref and sending him cards on every calendar marked special occassion.

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Originally Posted by meowza

You know you're a great defensive fighter when someone needs to make a video about the one time you got hit.

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That aint the point. Everyone talks about how Corley hurt Cotto and these are all his little fan boys. They have posted the video where Cotto stomps imaginary cockroaches in the middle of the ring. No one has ever posted the times Floyd was getting his clock rung by Corley. And so, I had to make a counter video. Hope you guys liked them apples :)

All you guys can say is that the ref stopped the fight too soon. I agree but you guys make it sound like Cotto was not putting a dent in Corley. LMAO. You know you are lying when you all come up with some lame shiet like that. Cotto was destroying Corley unlike Floyd who has to take him 12 rounds by just running.

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And yet Floyd dropped him 3 times legitimately without the ref helping :)

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And what is your point?
The ref helped Cotto knock down Corley 3 times?

What the hell are you talking about?

Was the ref hitting Corley too?

Come off it bro. You know Corley was being tore up from the floor up.

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I know the fight was stopped on two missed Cotto shots ;D

golly gosh for all the traps you set for other posters you sure fall into mine rather easily ;)

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I dont set traps I speak truths.
You normally speak truths and I don't have a problem with you but when you start to lie to kick it then I will be more than happy to point your lies out.
Yes the fight was stopped on phantom punches. Corley should have stood his ground but he felt Cotto's power and it was just too much for him. What can I say. It is what it is. Corley was saved from a more brutal beating then he got. He should be spanking the ref and sending him cards on every calendar marked special occassion.

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riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight :)

Floyd was NEVER in trouble in the fight...I dont even see how his defense is even i question here.Corley even "praised" Floyd in the Soul of a Champion that aired on the versus network....talking about his work ethic and pure skill.

My sediments are reflected at the 1:06 sec mark of this video.....  ;D

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Originally Posted by Olympian904

Floyd was NEVER in trouble in the fight...I dont even see how his defense is even i question here.Corley even "praised" Floyd in the Soul of a Champion that aired on the versus network....talking about his work ethic and pure skill.

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I think the punch did hurt Floyd cuz he stumbled but he regained his senses quickly and did the right thing . He can still be considered a defensive messiah after that but he has a couple rivals

Winky Wright - His peek aboo defence may seem a little basic but its so effective . With his trunks around his belly , foremarms covering his chest and his hands open covering his face and forehead , its virtually impossible to penetrate it . He pulls his elbows in for body shots and punches when he sees the openings. They say a good defence is a good offence but Winky gets hit more often when he tries to fight like against Taylor . In his negative defensive mode he is really hard to beat . Tito could not work him out

Beranrd Hopkins - This style is the most difficult to master . Its taken years for Bernard to perfect but now he has it down to a fine art . He combines feints with side step movements and its really hard to lay a glove in him . He had Tarver backing up without throwing a punch cuz he had taken his confidence. Its the way he controls the ring makes the other guy fight his fight even though they may have superior power or stamina.Like Winky its not attractive to watch but boxing purists admire it

Of the 3 I probably admire Floyds defence the most as its the most layered but he hasnt been proving it against the same level of comp as the other two . All 3 are defensive greats of this era

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Originally Posted by Olympian904

Floyd was NEVER in trouble in the fight...I dont even see how his defense is even i question here.Corley even "praised" Floyd in the Soul of a Champion that aired on the versus network....talking about his work ethic and pure skill.

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I think the punch did hurt Floyd cuz he stumbled but he regained his senses quickly and did the right thing . He can still be considered a defensive messiah after that but he has a couple rivals

Winky Wright - His peek aboo defence may seem a little basic but its so effective . With his trunks around his belly , foremarms covering his chest and his hands open covering his face and forehead , its virtually impossible to penetrate it . He pulls his elbows in for body shots and punches when he sees the openings. They say a good defence is a good offence but Winky gets hit more often when he tries to fight like against Taylor . In his negative defensive mode he is really hard to beat . Tito could not work him out

Beranrd Hopkins - This style is the most difficult to master . Its taken years for Bernard to perfect but now he has it down to a fine art . He combines feints with side step movements and its really hard to lay a glove in him . He had Tarver backing up without throwing a punch cuz he had taken his confidence. Its the way he controls the ring makes the other guy fight his fight even though they may have superior power or stamina.Like Winky its not attractive to watch but boxing purists admire it

Of the 3 I probably admire Floyds defence the most as its the most layered but he hasnt been proving it against the same level of comp as the other two . All 3 are defensive greats of this era

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Like you said...Floyd recovered right away,IMO doesnt qualify as being in trouble.Winky and Hopkins both have good defense,an they get hit with headshots almostevery fight but how many flush head shots has floyd taken?

Cotto rocked : http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...ry_id=8&step=1

Floyd "rocked" : Ummmmmmmmm...well...I hunted for Floyd on the canvas...& I think youv'e covered the few punches that Judah & Corley landed...so...

Differences? One man's ass touched the mat...the other's glove touched.

Nuff said.

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Originally Posted by GAME

I think the punch did hurt Floyd cuz he stumbled but he regained his senses quickly and did the right thing . He can still be considered a defensive messiah after that but he has a couple rivals

Winky Wright - His peek aboo defence may seem a little basic but its so effective . With his trunks around his belly , foremarms covering his chest and his hands open covering his face and forehead , its virtually impossible to penetrate it . He pulls his elbows in for body shots and punches when he sees the openings. They say a good defence is a good offence but Winky gets hit more often when he tries to fight like against Taylor . In his negative defensive mode he is really hard to beat . Tito could not work him out

Beranrd Hopkins - This style is the most difficult to master . Its taken years for Bernard to perfect but now he has it down to a fine art . He combines feints with side step movements and its really hard to lay a glove in him . He had Tarver backing up without throwing a punch cuz he had taken his confidence. Its the way he controls the ring makes the other guy fight his fight even though they may have superior power or stamina.Like Winky its not attractive to watch but boxing purists admire it

Of the 3 I probably admire Floyds defence the most as its the most layered but he hasnt been proving it against the same level of comp as the other two . All 3 are defensive greats of this era

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:coolclick: Good points & I agree on all. Very well said.

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Originally Posted by Olympian904

Floyd was NEVER in trouble in the fight...I dont even see how his defense is even i question here.Corley even "praised" Floyd in the Soul of a Champion that aired on the versus network....talking about his work ethic and pure skill.

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I think the punch did hurt Floyd cuz he stumbled but he regained his senses quickly and did the right thing . He can still be considered a defensive messiah after that but he has a couple rivals

Winky Wright - His peek aboo defence may seem a little basic but its so effective . With his trunks around his belly , foremarms covering his chest and his hands open covering his face and forehead , its virtually impossible to penetrate it . He pulls his elbows in for body shots and punches when he sees the openings. They say a good defence is a good offence but Winky gets hit more often when he tries to fight like against Taylor . In his negative defensive mode he is really hard to beat . Tito could not work him out

Beranrd Hopkins - This style is the most difficult to master . Its taken years for Bernard to perfect but now he has it down to a fine art . He combines feints with side step movements and its really hard to lay a glove in him . He had Tarver backing up without throwing a punch cuz he had taken his confidence. Its the way he controls the ring makes the other guy fight his fight even though they may have superior power or stamina.Like Winky its not attractive to watch but boxing purists admire it

Of the 3 I probably admire Floyds defence the most as its the most layered but he hasnt been proving it against the same level of comp as the other two . All 3 are defensive greats of this era

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First Hopkins and Winky get hit more % wise than Mayweather ever has. Winky now isn't as good at defense as he was a few years ago. People have figured out you can hit him with hooks around the side. They are good, but not at his level.

Mayweather has a defense that is also very versatile and allows him to counter with hard concise punches.

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Originally Posted by Olympian904

Floyd was NEVER in trouble in the fight...I dont even see how his defense is even i question here.Corley even "praised" Floyd in the Soul of a Champion that aired on the versus network....talking about his work ethic and pure skill.

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I think the punch did hurt Floyd cuz he stumbled but he regained his senses quickly and did the right thing . He can still be considered a defensive messiah after that but he has a couple rivals

Winky Wright - His peek aboo defence may seem a little basic but its so effective . With his trunks around his belly , foremarms covering his chest and his hands open covering his face and forehead , its virtually impossible to penetrate it . He pulls his elbows in for body shots and punches when he sees the openings. They say a good defence is a good offence but Winky gets hit more often when he tries to fight like against Taylor . In his negative defensive mode he is really hard to beat . Tito could not work him out

Beranrd Hopkins - This style is the most difficult to master . Its taken years for Bernard to perfect but now he has it down to a fine art . He combines feints with side step movements and its really hard to lay a glove in him . He had Tarver backing up without throwing a punch cuz he had taken his confidence. Its the way he controls the ring makes the other guy fight his fight even though they may have superior power or stamina.Like Winky its not attractive to watch but boxing purists admire it

Of the 3 I probably admire Floyds defence the most as its the most layered but he hasnt been proving it against the same level of comp as the other two . All 3 are defensive greats of this era

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First Hopkins and Winky get hit more % wise than Mayweather ever has. Winky now isn't as good at defense as he was a few years ago. People have figured out you can hit him with hooks around the side. They are good, but not at his level.

Mayweather has a defense that is also very versatile and allows him to counter with hard concise punches.

Either way Danny G isn't making a good point because people know how good Mayweather is. We're/I'm not saying Cotto's bad, but he doesn't stand a chance.

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Winky Wright - His peek aboo defence may seem a little basic but its so effective . With his trunks around his belly , foremarms covering his chest and his hands open covering his face and forehead , its virtually impossible to penetrate it . He pulls his elbows in for body shots and punches when he sees the openings. They say a good defence is a good offence but Winky gets hit more often when he tries to fight like against Taylor . In his negative defensive mode he is really hard to beat . Tito could not work him out

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I am going to have to disagree a bit here. I don't think Winky has ever been a defensive minded fighter. Well, let me rephrase, he's never concentrated solely on defense. I think he's always been one to push a fight and dictate the pace of the fight and that's something a fighter who concentrates on defense so much can't do. I think, not sure but I think, that Winky threw more punches then Tito in their fight.

Versus Taylor he got hit clean, square on, no more then 10 times, and when he had the jab out in front he almost never got hit. The thing that make Winky's defense so special is that he can counter so fast out of it. I've never seen a fighter with a cagey type defense be able to get so much extension out of their punches so fast.

Another thing, I think Taylor had a little success because he straightened his punches up for the fight and was able to fire in between the gloves of Wright. Most of the time Wright deflected the punches with his own gloves and they really didn't have to much power on them but still, he was able to connect to an extent.

In short, I think he fought Tito the same way he fought Taylor just Taylor's style was suited to Winky's more. Still, one of the best defensive fighters of all time imo.

Very good post Game CC.

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Winky now isn't as good at defense as he was a few years ago. People have figured out you can hit him with hooks around the side.

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Who has had any success doing that? I've never seen it happen....if anything people figured out that if you throw straight shots you can get to him a bit.

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Winky now isn't as good at defense as he was a few years ago. People have figured out you can hit him with hooks around the side.

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Who has had any success doing that? I've never seen it happen....if anything people figured out that if you throw straight shots you can get to him a bit.

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Here's the thingy dingy...I disagree with you both...the reason that Wright get's hit now is due to the fact that everyone was pissing & moaning about him being too defensive minded & now he's standing, opening up, & throwing more than blocking.

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Winky now isn't as good at defense as he was a few years ago. People have figured out you can hit him with hooks around the side.

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Who has had any success doing that? I've never seen it happen....if anything people figured out that if you throw straight shots you can get to him a bit.

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Here's the thingy dingy...I disagree with you both...the reason that Wright get's hit now is due to the fact that everyone was pissing & moaning about him being too defensive minded & now he's standing, opening up, & throwing more than blocking.

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I don't see any increase of offense from his fights versus Mosley and Tito fights then I do the Soliman and Taylor.

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Winky now isn't as good at defense as he was a few years ago. People have figured out you can hit him with hooks around the side.

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Who has had any success doing that? I've never seen it happen....if anything people figured out that if you throw straight shots you can get to him a bit.

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Here's the thingy dingy...I disagree with you both...the reason that Wright get's hit now is due to the fact that everyone was pissing & moaning about him being too defensive minded & now he's standing, opening up, & throwing more than blocking.

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I don't see any increase of offense from his fights versus Mosley and Tito fights then I do the Soliman and Taylor.

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Are you serious?

I gotta again...totally disagree. Prior to Mosley everyone that watched Wright cried over his styled. Afterwards...he stood toe to toe with both Mosley, Quartey, & Taylor & continued to throw the duration.

He played peek-a-boo all night long against Tito.

He stayed hidden against Soliman.

Here's the thingy dingy...I disagree with you both...the reason that Wright get's hit now is due to the fact that everyone was pissing & moaning about him being too defensive minded & now he's standing, opening up, & throwing more than blocking. Wacko

I agree with this because I'm one of the haters who pissed and moaned.

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Here's the thingy dingy...I disagree with you both...the reason that Wright get's hit now is due to the fact that everyone was pissing & moaning about him being too defensive minded & now he's standing, opening up, & throwing more than blocking.

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I agree with this because I'm one of the haters who pissed and moaned.

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Fwockin haters. ;) :D Heh heh heh.

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Winky now isn't as good at defense as he was a few years ago. People have figured out you can hit him with hooks around the side.

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Who has had any success doing that? I've never seen it happen....if anything people figured out that if you throw straight shots you can get to him a bit.

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Here's the thingy dingy...I disagree with you both...the reason that Wright get's hit now is due to the fact that everyone was pissing & moaning about him being too defensive minded & now he's standing, opening up, & throwing more than blocking.

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I don't see any increase of offense from his fights versus Mosley and Tito fights then I do the Soliman and Taylor.

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Are you serious?

I gotta again...totally disagree. Prior to Mosley everyone that watched Wright cried over his styled. Afterwards...he stood toe to toe with both Mosley, Quartey, & Taylor & continued to throw the duration.

He played peek-a-boo all night long against Tito.

He stayed hidden against Soliman.

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I didn't think that one through when I worded it like that. It came out the complete opposite of what I meant.

What I meant is that I don't buy into the insinuation that Wright has compromised his defense for the sake of offense. If that makes sense, I have it in my head just can't get it into words. But I'm agreeing with that second post without agreeing with your post.

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OK I think that he did alter his offensive style to cater to those who didn't like it before (which I never understood) without compromising his defense. I've only ever seen him hit on any semi regular basis against Taylor. And most of those were deflected punches that very rarely landed clean.

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OK I think that he did alter his offensive style to cater to those who didn't like it before (which I never understood) without compromising his defense. I've only ever seen him hit on any semi regular basis against Taylor. And most of those were deflected punches that very rarely landed clean.

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I see what you are tring to say...& I aint trying to sound like a Wright expert or anything like that...but rewind all the way back & watch him against Mosley in both of those fights & you will see what I am saying.

Wright's a smart fighter. He reverted back to his winning style against Tito & everyone pissed & moaned about him even though he totally humiliated Trinidad.

Even though he won...he didn't "fight it out"...he didn't "toe to toe or go to war" so to speak & was critiqued on it.

Total horse shit!

I've never seen him go toe to toe though except when he got cocky against Wright. JT landed against him but they still never went "toe to toe" with him. It was an exciting fight but it's a fight I've seen Winky fight in the past against McKart twice, Candelo and Frazier. Where he pressed the fight with his jab. It just so happened that JT had the ability to fight through his defense while those guys couldn't. And none of those guys were as active as Soliman was so they didn't make for exciting fights.

I know I'm contradicting post after post but Wright is my favorite fighter out there and I honestly don't think he has ever compromised his defense to make a fight exciting. Except against Mosley and Birmingham had his ass after that ;D