Re: Wladimir the real deal.
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Originally Posted by plinden
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Wlads a good boxer with power but i would'nt say he was stronger than Foreman and his chin is still suspect major question mark over that forever i would say
Lets say they are equally strong, but Foreman had no good defence when younger. I would say that Wlad is about as dangerous as Foreman. They are all greats. I think that VITALI is the best HW ever. Foreman's sloppy defence would be his downfall against his enormous reach, and Vitali has never been down. If you can't KO jimmy young then you cant KO VItali.
The best HW ever???.......Not to sound like a record but there was a guy named Ali who was DAMN!!! good and would have boxed Vitaly into the mat
Ali? He was the bigger man against, Bonavena, Frazier, Mac Foster, ken norton, Rudi Lubbers...etc. and still either lost or went 12 rounds against these guys.
Take RUDI LUBBERS, Rudi weighed 196 pounds. And Ali failed to win by ko despite being TALLER AND 20 pounds heavier!!!
Why in the whole world WOuld you even think THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN ALI WOULD BE ABLE TO EASILY KO A GUY WITH SKILLS AND 30 POUNDS
HEAVIER AND TALLER THAN HIM? he lost against a 200 pound Norton and then went 12 rounds against him to win. what about 250 Vitali? jimmy young 204 pounds whent 15 rounds against him. Evangelista went 12 of 12, Wepner went 15, Leon spinks even went 15 rounds. AND SO ON.
Vitali on the other hand KO nearly every oponent and has never been beaten, but retired while ahead because of injuries. Lennox is the only guy who could possibly beat him that well never know, but he was ahead on the cards.
But NO, you say that VITALI WOULD be floored?
AND YOU ALL SAY THAT I AM THE STUPID ONE.
cc plinden yeah Lennox took that bs win and ran never to come back, leaving a question mark in the history of boxing.It would have been funny if Hasim or Oliver would have retired just to deny him a rematch like he did Vitali.
Thanks these guys drive me mad about their fantasies about the past. People always think the past was better. But it wasnt. For crying out loud if DOUG JONES 188 pounds, could last 10 rounds against ALI, why think that VITALI at 250 would be Ko'd? Its like they think that ALI and the other past greats are SUPERHEROES who -despite failing to put away 188pound guys- now would easily KO VITALI and CORRIE SANDERS and WLAD our greatest. ARCHIE Moore was almost 50 weighin 191 (!) when he went 4 rounds against ALIstooped Tko in 4th. You think Corrie SANDERS would need 4 rounds! lol. Corrie would blow them all out.
I can't even acknowledge your post on this anymore...Your talking like a blinded fan....How old are you???
There is nothing worng with being a fan and making a case for your fighter but you also have to use your knowledge of the sport....Past has nothing to do with it
Ok I give up, lets pretend that ALi and Larry and Forman, despite not being able to put away 188-200 pounders, would steamroller over Corrie, Vitali and WLad. Lets dream on.
And by the way, Corrie was far ahead against Rahman and was still standing, the Tubbs fight was a bad night. Only one other loss, v Vitali.
But I give up. ^-^
Re: Wladimir the real deal.
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Originally Posted by plinden
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
Wlads a good boxer with power but i would'nt say he was stronger than Foreman and his chin is still suspect major question mark over that forever i would say
Lets say they are equally strong, but Foreman had no good defence when younger. I would say that Wlad is about as dangerous as Foreman. They are all greats. I think that VITALI is the best HW ever. Foreman's sloppy defence would be his downfall against his enormous reach, and Vitali has never been down. If you can't KO jimmy young then you cant KO VItali.
The best HW ever???.......Not to sound like a record but there was a guy named Ali who was DAMN!!! good and would have boxed Vitaly into the mat
Ali? He was the bigger man against, Bonavena, Frazier, Mac Foster, ken norton, Rudi Lubbers...etc. and still either lost or went 12 rounds against these guys.
Take RUDI LUBBERS, Rudi weighed 196 pounds. And Ali failed to win by ko despite being TALLER AND 20 pounds heavier!!!
Why in the whole world WOuld you even think THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN ALI WOULD BE ABLE TO EASILY KO A GUY WITH SKILLS AND 30 POUNDS
HEAVIER AND TALLER THAN HIM? he lost against a 200 pound Norton and then went 12 rounds against him to win. what about 250 Vitali? jimmy young 204 pounds whent 15 rounds against him. Evangelista went 12 of 12, Wepner went 15, Leon spinks even went 15 rounds. AND SO ON.
Vitali on the other hand KO nearly every oponent and has never been beaten, but retired while ahead because of injuries. Lennox is the only guy who could possibly beat him that well never know, but he was ahead on the cards.
But NO, you say that VITALI WOULD be floored?
AND YOU ALL SAY THAT I AM THE STUPID ONE.
cc plinden yeah Lennox took that bs win and ran never to come back, leaving a question mark in the history of boxing.It would have been funny if Hasim or Oliver would have retired just to deny him a rematch like he did Vitali.
Thanks these guys drive me mad about their fantasies about the past. People always think the past was better. But it wasnt. For crying out loud if DOUG JONES 188 pounds, could last 10 rounds against ALI, why think that VITALI at 250 would be Ko'd? Its like they think that ALI and the other past greats are SUPERHEROES who -despite failing to put away 188pound guys- now would easily KO VITALI and CORRIE SANDERS and WLAD our greatest. ARCHIE Moore was almost 50 weighin 191 (!) when he went 4 rounds against ALIstooped Tko in 4th. You think Corrie SANDERS would need 4 rounds! lol. Corrie would blow them all out.
I can't even acknowledge your post on this anymore...Your talking like a blinded fan....How old are you???
There is nothing worng with being a fan and making a case for your fighter but you also have to use your knowledge of the sport....Past has nothing to do with it
Ok I give up, lets pretend that ALi and Larry and Forman, despite not being able to put away 188-200 pounders, would steamroller over Corrie, Vitali and WLad. Lets dream on.
And by the way, Corrie was far ahead against Rahman and was still standing, the Tubbs fight was a bad night. Only one other loss, v Vitali.
But I give up. ^-^
Corrie Sanders isn't even that good and shouldn't even be mentioned in same breath as Ali or Holmes i don't know why you think he is all that he has quick hands but not very good defense an ok chin and thats about it
Boxers in Ali and Holmes era were tough and actually trained unlike bums today size makes no difference if your unfit and can't fight
Re: Wladimir the real deal.
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Klit is a Big fish in a small pond period!!!!!!!!! He would not beat the best fighters of the past 25 years here is a list of guys that would have beat him IMO.
His own Brother Vitali Klitschko
Prime Evander Holyfield
Prime Riddick Bowe
Lennox Lewis
Prime and Mediocre Mike Tyson
Old George Foreman
Razor Ruddock
Even Frank Bruno might of waxed that chin
Tommy Morrison
Prime Oliver Mccall
Wlad is in the right place at the right time, and all you that are sleeping on Valuev better wisen up because Wladdy aint steam rolling over the Giant as you all think if Wlad wins he's gonna pay the price in the process
I don't know how you can overlook his skills!You give him no credit whatsoever!He could beat any of the fighters on your list.Wladimir is one of the hardest punchers ever in the heavyweight division and he is certainly one of the most technically skilled as well.I think the only thing you are basing your argument on is you believe he has a glass jaw, which isn't the case.I am sorry but there is only one guy on your list that might be able to outpoint Wladimir and that is Lewis, the rest would HAVE to score a knockout to beat him.
Thats my point all those could and more than likely would KO Klitschko.... Why would you even question that???  He has been KO'D by lesser men
Its hard to give him credit.. Who has he ever beat in a big time fight??? Chris Byrd?? thats a joke he is a natural Middleweight.. Stop fooling yourself there is no new Wladimir Klitschko.. He has been in with lesser comp and hasnt been pressured except by Peter who floored him 3x and he went in to his whole spooked floundering rountine ... Again champion of a weak division does not get alot of credit from me.. Albeit he is warming up to me but I'm not sold yet,he's got aways to go IMO... Beat Valuev or Peter again and then I'll be impressed fight someone who is a risk to him..
Re: Wladimir the real deal.
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Klit is a Big fish in a small pond period!!!!!!!!! He would not beat the best fighters of the past 25 years here is a list of guys that would have beat him IMO.
His own Brother Vitali Klitschko
Prime Evander Holyfield
Prime Riddick Bowe
Lennox Lewis
Prime and Mediocre Mike Tyson
Old George Foreman
Razor Ruddock
Even Frank Bruno might of waxed that chin
Tommy Morrison
Prime Oliver Mccall
Wlad is in the right place at the right time, and all you that are sleeping on Valuev better wisen up because Wladdy aint steam rolling over the Giant as you all think if Wlad wins he's gonna pay the price in the process
I don't know how you can overlook his skills!You give him no credit whatsoever!He could beat any of the fighters on your list.Wladimir is one of the hardest punchers ever in the heavyweight division and he is certainly one of the most technically skilled as well.I think the only thing you are basing your argument on is you believe he has a glass jaw, which isn't the case.I am sorry but there is only one guy on your list that might be able to outpoint Wladimir and that is Lewis, the rest would HAVE to score a knockout to beat him.
Thats my point all those could and more than likely would KO Klitschko.... Why would you even question that??? He has been KO'D by lesser men
Its hard to give him credit.. Who has he ever beat in a big time fight??? Chris Byrd?? thats a joke he is a natural Middleweight.. Stop fooling yourself there is no new Wladimir Klitschko.. He has been in with lesser comp and hasnt been pressured except by Peter who floored him 3x and he went in to his whole spooked floundering rountine ... Again champion of a weak division does not get alot of credit from me.. Albeit he is warming up to me but I'm not sold yet,he's got aways to go IMO... Beat Valuev or Peter again and then I'll be impressed fight someone who is a risk to him..
Who has he ever beaten????I give up if you can't see he has beaten the best heavyweights there are out there I don't know what to tell you.I will ask you this one time, were all the shots that Peter landed on Wladimir legal?Nothing I believe will change your mind on Wladimir unless there is a time machine that he could user to go back in time and fight the so called best heavyweights in history.It is always the same thing always an excuse when he wins, Peter was to raw, byrd was a middleweight, Brock was to green blah blah blah........ ::**
Re: Wladimir the real deal.
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Klit is a Big fish in a small pond period!!!!!!!!! He would not beat the best fighters of the past 25 years here is a list of guys that would have beat him IMO.
His own Brother Vitali Klitschko
Prime Evander Holyfield
Prime Riddick Bowe
Lennox Lewis
Prime and Mediocre Mike Tyson
Old George Foreman
Razor Ruddock
Even Frank Bruno might of waxed that chin
Tommy Morrison
Prime Oliver Mccall
Wlad is in the right place at the right time, and all you that are sleeping on Valuev better wisen up because Wladdy aint steam rolling over the Giant as you all think if Wlad wins he's gonna pay the price in the process
I don't know how you can overlook his skills!You give him no credit whatsoever!He could beat any of the fighters on your list.Wladimir is one of the hardest punchers ever in the heavyweight division and he is certainly one of the most technically skilled as well.I think the only thing you are basing your argument on is you believe he has a glass jaw, which isn't the case.I am sorry but there is only one guy on your list that might be able to outpoint Wladimir and that is Lewis, the rest would HAVE to score a knockout to beat him.
Thats my point all those could and more than likely would KO Klitschko.... Why would you even question that??? He has been KO'D by lesser men
Its hard to give him credit.. Who has he ever beat in a big time fight??? Chris Byrd?? thats a joke he is a natural Middleweight.. Stop fooling yourself there is no new Wladimir Klitschko.. He has been in with lesser comp and hasnt been pressured except by Peter who floored him 3x and he went in to his whole spooked floundering rountine ... Again champion of a weak division does not get alot of credit from me.. Albeit he is warming up to me but I'm not sold yet,he's got aways to go IMO... Beat Valuev or Peter again and then I'll be impressed fight someone who is a risk to him..
Who has he ever beaten????I give up if you can't see he has beaten the best heavyweights there are out there I don't know what to tell you.I will ask you this one time, were all the shots that Peter landed on Wladimir legal?Nothing I believe will change your mind on Wladimir unless there is a time machine that he could user to go back in time and fight the so called best heavyweights in history.It is always the same thing always an excuse when he wins, Peter was to raw, byrd was a middleweight, Brock was to green blah blah blah........ ::**
So true. They mixing in imagination when looking at the past. In order to diminish Wlad the say Corrie Sanders was "bum". This is discrespectful. And its amazingly untrue. WHY IF YOU HAVE BRING UP CORRIE dont you have to bring up Jimmy Young at barely 200 pounds or any of the other really small guys that Ali failed to put away. But give up. THe past is owned by imagination. So ALi can get knocked down by 190 pounder Cooper, but would easily KO Vitali? fine....
Re: Wladimir the real deal.
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Klit is a Big fish in a small pond period!!!!!!!!! He would not beat the best fighters of the past 25 years here is a list of guys that would have beat him IMO.
His own Brother Vitali Klitschko
Prime Evander Holyfield
Prime Riddick Bowe
Lennox Lewis
Prime and Mediocre Mike Tyson
Old George Foreman
Razor Ruddock
Even Frank Bruno might of waxed that chin
Tommy Morrison
Prime Oliver Mccall
Wlad is in the right place at the right time, and all you that are sleeping on Valuev better wisen up because Wladdy aint steam rolling over the Giant as you all think if Wlad wins he's gonna pay the price in the process
I don't know how you can overlook his skills!You give him no credit whatsoever!He could beat any of the fighters on your list.Wladimir is one of the hardest punchers ever in the heavyweight division and he is certainly one of the most technically skilled as well.I think the only thing you are basing your argument on is you believe he has a glass jaw, which isn't the case.I am sorry but there is only one guy on your list that might be able to outpoint Wladimir and that is Lewis, the rest would HAVE to score a knockout to beat him.
Thats my point all those could and more than likely would KO Klitschko.... Why would you even question that??? He has been KO'D by lesser men
Its hard to give him credit.. Who has he ever beat in a big time fight??? Chris Byrd?? thats a joke he is a natural Middleweight.. Stop fooling yourself there is no new Wladimir Klitschko.. He has been in with lesser comp and hasnt been pressured except by Peter who floored him 3x and he went in to his whole spooked floundering rountine ... Again champion of a weak division does not get alot of credit from me.. Albeit he is warming up to me but I'm not sold yet,he's got aways to go IMO... Beat Valuev or Peter again and then I'll be impressed fight someone who is a risk to him..
Who has he ever beaten????I give up if you can't see he has beaten the best heavyweights there are out there I don't know what to tell you.I will ask you this one time, were all the shots that Peter landed on Wladimir legal?Nothing I believe will change your mind on Wladimir unless there is a time machine that he could user to go back in time and fight the so called best heavyweights in history.It is always the same thing always an excuse when he wins, Peter was to raw, byrd was a middleweight, Brock was to green blah blah blah........ ::**
Ok King is King and I'll tell you he runs the Heavweight division now.......I never disputed that for a minute, but ruling this Heavyweight division aint saying much and you 2 aint gonna convince me otherwise... Thats my point he has never beaten anybody worth a shite he has never had a career definieng fight and 2x already when Wlad Klit's stock rose to a high level he crashed and burned.... So as far as me being synical and scrutinizeing him, I have good reason
