Re: Mayweather - Oscar ,anyone else not care ?
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
If his level up opposition is average(C+)...then all of those other welters must be at D-.Except Mosley.
Pretty much on target !!! Why are you even putting him in Mosleys class when the core of PBF's success has been at lower weights. Not to say that he may not attain success later, seems you're putting the cart before the horse.
So he is the best because he rules this stable of opponents?
WBC
Floyd Mayweather
1 . Carlos Baldomir
2 . Julio Garcia
3 . Frederic Klose
4 . Jackson Osei Bonsu
5 . Alpaslam Aguzum
6 . Miguel Rodriguez
7 . Joel Julio
8 . Joseph Makaringe
9 . Arturo Gatti
10 . Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
11 . Golden Johnson
12 . Luis Fernando Uribe
13 . Joaquin Zamora
14 . Irving Garcia
15 . Cosme Rivera
.
WBA
Miguel Cotto
1. Not Rated
2. Frederic Klose
3. Yuri Nuzhnenko
4. Joel Jair Julio
5. Carlos Quintana
6. Luis Collazo
7. Jan Zaveck
8. Oktay Urkal
9.Nelson Linares
10. Sebastian Lujan
11. Jackson Osei Bonsu
12. Delvin Rodriguez
13.Masa Bakirov
14. Golden Johnson
15. Miguel Rodriguez
IBF
Kermit Cintron
1 NOT RATED
2 NOT RATED
3 Paul Williams
4 Joel Julio
5 Mark Suarez
6 Carlos Baldomir
7 Walter Matthysse
8 Roberto Garcia
9 Carlos Quintana
10 Miquel A Rodriguez
11 David Estrada
12 Frederik Klose
13 Sharmba Mitchell
14 Ricardo Mayorga
15 Roger Medley
WBO
Antonio Margarito
1. Paul Williams
2. Michael Jennings
3. Jan Zaveck
4. Joshua Clottey
5. Joel Julio
6. Miguel Rodriguez
7. Carlos Baldomir
8. Luciano Abis
9. Tony Doherty
10. Zab Judah
11. Jesus Soto Karaas
12. Vitaliy Demyanenko
13. Hector D. Saldivia
14. Mehrduk Takaloo
15. Luis Collazo
And you claim to be a boxing expert ,,,,,, dude lay off the Cliff notes and follow the sport with your eyes wide open. Nothing here but "C" students ! His career will either soar or sour at this point? No kudos for kicking the sh^t out of average Joes.
Re: Mayweather - Oscar ,anyone else not care ?
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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
If his level up opposition is average(C+)...then all of those other welters must be at D-.Except Mosley.
Pretty much on target !!! Why are you even putting him in Mosleys class when the core of PBF's success has been at lower weights. Not to say that he may not attain success later, seems you're putting the cart before the horse.
So he is the best because he rules this stable of opponents?
WBC
Floyd Mayweather
1 . Carlos Baldomir
2 . Julio Garcia
3 . Frederic Klose
4 . Jackson Osei Bonsu
5 . Alpaslam Aguzum
6 . Miguel Rodriguez
7 . Joel Julio
8 . Joseph Makaringe
9 . Arturo Gatti
10 . Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
11 . Golden Johnson
12 . Luis Fernando Uribe
13 . Joaquin Zamora
14 . Irving Garcia
15 . Cosme Rivera
.
WBA
Miguel Cotto
1. Not Rated
2. Frederic Klose
3. Yuri Nuzhnenko
4. Joel Jair Julio
5. Carlos Quintana
6. Luis Collazo
7. Jan Zaveck
8. Oktay Urkal
9.Nelson Linares
10. Sebastian Lujan
11. Jackson Osei Bonsu
12. Delvin Rodriguez
13.Masa Bakirov
14. Golden Johnson
15. Miguel Rodriguez
IBF
Kermit Cintron
1 NOT RATED
2 NOT RATED
3 Paul Williams
4 Joel Julio
5 Mark Suarez
6 Carlos Baldomir
7 Walter Matthysse
8 Roberto Garcia
9 Carlos Quintana
10 Miquel A Rodriguez
11 David Estrada
12 Frederik Klose
13 Sharmba Mitchell
14 Ricardo Mayorga
15 Roger Medley
WBO
Antonio Margarito
1. Paul Williams
2. Michael Jennings
3. Jan Zaveck
4. Joshua Clottey
5. Joel Julio
6. Miguel Rodriguez
7. Carlos Baldomir
8. Luciano Abis
9. Tony Doherty
10. Zab Judah
11. Jesus Soto Karaas
12. Vitaliy Demyanenko
13. Hector D. Saldivia
14. Mehrduk Takaloo
15. Luis Collazo
And you claim to be a boxing expert ,,,,,, dude lay off the Cliff notes and follow the sport with your eyes wide open. Nothing here but "C" students ! His career will either soar or sour at this point? No kudos for kicking the sh^t out of average Joes.
I never claim to be an expert...I'm a boxer...but you obviously are...so your credentials are?
Floyd is on a higher level than all of them.After he beats people they become nobody....But at the same time...you ask people who williams,margo,and cotto have beat and they'll bring up theses washed up fighters.
Floyd has done everything right!His fight game is near perfect,he is undefeated,is dedicated to the sport,and is dominant.He is the best.
Re: Mayweather - Oscar ,anyone else not care ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
If his level up opposition is average(C+)...then all of those other welters must be at D-.Except Mosley.
Pretty much on target !!! Why are you even putting him in Mosleys class when the core of PBF's success has been at lower weights. Not to say that he may not attain success later, seems you're putting the cart before the horse.
So he is the best because he rules this stable of opponents?
WBC
Floyd Mayweather
1 . Carlos Baldomir
2 . Julio Garcia
3 . Frederic Klose
4 . Jackson Osei Bonsu
5 . Alpaslam Aguzum
6 . Miguel Rodriguez
7 . Joel Julio
8 . Joseph Makaringe
9 . Arturo Gatti
10 . Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
11 . Golden Johnson
12 . Luis Fernando Uribe
13 . Joaquin Zamora
14 . Irving Garcia
15 . Cosme Rivera
.
WBA
Miguel Cotto
1. Not Rated
2. Frederic Klose
3. Yuri Nuzhnenko
4. Joel Jair Julio
5. Carlos Quintana
6. Luis Collazo
7. Jan Zaveck
8. Oktay Urkal
9.Nelson Linares
10. Sebastian Lujan
11. Jackson Osei Bonsu
12. Delvin Rodriguez
13.Masa Bakirov
14. Golden Johnson
15. Miguel Rodriguez
IBF
Kermit Cintron
1 NOT RATED
2 NOT RATED
3 Paul Williams
4 Joel Julio
5 Mark Suarez
6 Carlos Baldomir
7 Walter Matthysse
8 Roberto Garcia
9 Carlos Quintana
10 Miquel A Rodriguez
11 David Estrada
12 Frederik Klose
13 Sharmba Mitchell
14 Ricardo Mayorga
15 Roger Medley
WBO
Antonio Margarito
1. Paul Williams
2. Michael Jennings
3. Jan Zaveck
4. Joshua Clottey
5. Joel Julio
6. Miguel Rodriguez
7. Carlos Baldomir
8. Luciano Abis
9. Tony Doherty
10. Zab Judah
11. Jesus Soto Karaas
12. Vitaliy Demyanenko
13. Hector D. Saldivia
14. Mehrduk Takaloo
15. Luis Collazo
And you claim to be a boxing expert ,,,,,, dude lay off the Cliff notes and follow the sport with your eyes wide open. Nothing here but "C" students ! His career will either soar or sour at this point? No kudos for kicking the sh^t out of average Joes.
I never claim to be an expert...I'm a boxer...but you obviously are...so your credentials are?
Floyd is on a higher level than all of them.After he beats people they become nobody....But at the same time...you ask people who williams,margo,and cotto have beat and they'll bring up theses washed up fighters.
Floyd has done everything right!His fight game is near perfect,he is undefeated,is dedicated to the sport,and is dominant.He is the best.
Williams, Margo,and Cotto are unproven but they also have a good fan base, so until he beats them how is he better? Until he fights the "perceived" best out there how can PBF be considered the best. The boxers you mentioned above I assume are just as dedicated to the sport and dominant at times. And your reference as to boxers becoming nobody after PBF dust them off is ludicrous. Name some names :
1996
Oct. 11 -- Roberto Apodaca, Las Vegas, KO 2
Nov. 30 -- Reggie Sanders, Albuquerque, New Mexico, W 4
1997
Jan. 18 -- Jerry Cooper, Las Vegas, TKO 1
Feb. 1 -- Edgar Ayala, Chula Vista, California, KO 2
Mar. 12 -- Kino Rodriguez, Grand Rapids, TKO 1
Apr. 12 -- Robert Giepert, Las Vegas, TKO 1
May 9 -- Tony Duran, Las Vegas, TKO 1
June 14 -- Larry O'Shields, San Antonio, Texas, W 6
July 12 -- Jesus Chavez, Biloxi, Mississippi, TKO 5
Sept. 6 -- Luis Leija, El Paso, Texas, KO 2
Oct. 14 -- Felipe Garcia, Boise, Idaho, KO 6
Nov. 20 -- Angelo Nunez, Los Angeles, TKO 3
1998
Jan. 9 -- Hector Arroyo, Biloxi, Mississippi, TKO 5
Feb. 28 -- Sam Girad, Atlantic City, KO 2
Mar. 23 -- Miguel Melo, Ledyard, Connecticut, TKO 3
Apr. 18 -- Gustavo Cuello, Los Angeles, W 10
June 14 -- Tony Pep, Atlantic City, W 10
Oct. 3 -- Genaro Hernandez, Las Vegas, TKO 8
(Captured WBC super featherweight title)
Dec. 19 -- Angel Manfredy, Miami, TKO 2
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
1999
Feb. 17 -- Carlos Rios, Grand Rapids, Michigan, W 12
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
May 22 -- Justin Juuko, Las Vegas, KO 9
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
Sept. 11 -- Carlos Gerena, Las Vegas, TKO 7
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
2000
Mar. 18 -- Goyo Vargas, Las Vegas, W 12
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
Oct. 21 -- Emanuel Burton, Detroit, Michigan, TKO 9
2001
Jan. 20 -- Diego Corrales, Las Vegas, TKO 10
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
May 26 -- Carlos Hernandez, Grand Rapids, Michigan, W 12
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
Nov. 10 -- Jesus Chavez, San Francisco, California, TKO 10
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
2002
Apr. 20 -- Jose Luis Castillo, Las Vegas, W 12
(Won WBC lightweight title)
Dec. 7 -- Jose Luis Castillo, Las Vegas, W 12
(Retained WBC lightweight title)
2003
Apr. 19 -- Victoriano Sosa, Fresno, CA, W 12
(Retained WBC lightweight title)
Nov. 1 -- Phillip N'Dou, Grand Rapids, Michigan, TKO 7
(Retained WBC lightweight title)
2004
May 22 -- DeMarcus Corley, Atlantic City, NJ, W 12
2005
Jan. 22 -- Henry Bruseles, Miami, FL, TKO 8 *RECAP*
June 25 -- Arturo Gatti, Atlantic City, NJ, TKO 6 *RECAP*
(Won WBC Light Welterweight Title)
Nov. 19 -- Sharmba Mitchell, Portland, OR, TKO 6 *RECAP*
2006
Apr. 8 -- Zab Judah, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *RECAP*
(Won IBF Welterweight Title)
Nov. 4 -- Carlos Baldomir, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *RECAP*
(Won WBC Welterweight Title)
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm I see Soto, Baldomar, Mitchell, Judah, Corrales and Castillo ("B"). Which of these is an "A" line fighter ? A ""B" ? More like "C" line plausible fighters with slightly better than average talent and all exhibiting pronounced weaknesses and let me emphasize " slow afoot except Judah"
Re: Mayweather - Oscar ,anyone else not care ?
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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
If he's not the best...then who is?
Simply put Olympian904 there is no best at the current moment. One does not have to exist if no one rises above the rest. I have read many posts in here from Sweetpea, CutMeMick , Gamo , you, etc and you guys have more competitive battles than PBF. I ask if there are 100 ugly women does one have to be distinguished as the prettiest?
;D You make me laugh mate.
Have a CC by the way
Re: Mayweather - Oscar ,anyone else not care ?
Addicted...what welter other than Mosley is an "A" fighter by YOUR standards????????????????
Re: Mayweather - Oscar ,anyone else not care ?
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
I don't remember any fight as bad as the Baldo fight. I mean people booing and leaving a fight at the peak of Floyd's career? Un heard of. No one walked out on Ray Leonard's prime time fights except Roberto Duran.
No Mas, you're killing me!
:lolololol:
Re: Mayweather - Oscar ,anyone else not care ?
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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
why do people hate on PBF for having great boxing skills. why brawl and take punishment if you don't have too.
that is called the sweet science. The problem that i have with PBF after Corrales and Castillo and yes Zab did more than expected, but there has not be any exiting fight with big names at 140 or 147 that include PBF in it. I know he is fighting Oscar for $$$$$$$$$ but then what retire? if he does that it will ruin the little reputation he has for the casual fan since they are more than the tru fan.
Re: Mayweather - Oscar ,anyone else not care ?
I couldn't really care less about This fight, id much rather watch Cotto Judah or Calzaghe vs kessler/Froch
Re: Mayweather - Oscar ,anyone else not care ?
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Originally Posted by Poom
I couldn't really care less about This fight, id much rather watch Cotto Judah or Calzaghe vs kessler/Froch
CC on that
Re: Mayweather - Oscar ,anyone else not care ?
i think alot of us dont care......... but come around 5:30pm ish may 5th we'll be freakin out on how we can see this fight! ;D
Re: Mayweather - Oscar ,anyone else not care ?
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
Addicted...what welter other than Mosley is an "A" fighter by YOUR standards????????????????
I do not see any at this time Olympian. Too bad for PBF, just bad luck that his tenure was when his weight class was low in quality. This is not to take away anything from PBF, but if few people can recall his opponents how can it be expected that he will be remembered as an all time great? And if he is all that you claim, why does it take a part time boxer to generate the interest that is in his up and coming bout? Which bum would he be fighting next if it were not for the riches of he ODLH match? Plain and simple PBF has already won! By signing to fight and the weight issue at hand it serves as a built in excuse should he lose !!!!
