PACMAN P4P BEST NOW

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Originally Posted by supergenius

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Originally Posted by althetruthhindley

he may not have the best style but look at who hes beaten Manny is p4p the best in my opinion
wot do you guys think ?

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As a fan of the PACMAN I am already contented that he is number 2 P4P. If MAyweather loses his fight against DLH, Pacman could take the #1 slot.

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Actually if ODLH beats PBF, then ODLH becomes #1 P4P.
Thats the way it works. :)

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

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Originally Posted by supergenius

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Originally Posted by althetruthhindley

he may not have the best style but look at who hes beaten Manny is p4p the best in my opinion
wot do you guys think ?

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As a fan of the PACMAN I am already contented that he is number 2 P4P. If MAyweather loses his fight against DLH, Pacman could take the #1 slot.

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Actually if ODLH beats PBF, then ODLH becomes #1 P4P.
Thats the way it works. :)

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Can't agree with you cutmemick. to be # 1 pound for pound you need to earn that. DEfeating the current #1P4P who may not actually deserve the title will not make the conqueror deserving of the title.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

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Originally Posted by supergenius

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Originally Posted by althetruthhindley

he may not have the best style but look at who hes beaten Manny is p4p the best in my opinion
wot do you guys think ?

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As a fan of the PACMAN I am already contented that he is number 2 P4P. If MAyweather loses his fight against DLH, Pacman could take the #1 slot.

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Actually if ODLH beats PBF, then ODLH becomes #1 P4P.
Thats the way it works. :)

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So....let me get this straight. If Carlos Baldomir....he of the many defeats had beaten Floyd (with a lucky punch, or maybe Floyd got DQ'd), would you then consider Baldomir the #1 P4P, because I sure as hell wouldn't. For me, beating Floyd would not make ODLH the best P4P, he isn't active enough to be considered in that bracket....with 1 fight in the past three years. You can't be coming out of such a career break and win the P4P ranking.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

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Originally Posted by supergenius

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Originally Posted by althetruthhindley

he may not have the best style but look at who hes beaten Manny is p4p the best in my opinion
wot do you guys think ?

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As a fan of the PACMAN I am already contented that he is number 2 P4P. If MAyweather loses his fight against DLH, Pacman could take the #1 slot.

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Actually if ODLH beats PBF, then ODLH becomes #1 P4P.
Thats the way it works. :)

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i dont have a problem with odlh being p4p #1.. he paid his dues.. stood in the ring and fought a war with the best boxing... if you could slug it out with julio ceasar chavez... you are something.. do you think floyd would fare well with jcc sr?

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

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Originally Posted by supergenius

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Originally Posted by althetruthhindley

he may not have the best style but look at who hes beaten Manny is p4p the best in my opinion
wot do you guys think ?

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As a fan of the PACMAN I am already contented that he is number 2 P4P. If MAyweather loses his fight against DLH, Pacman could take the #1 slot.

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Actually if ODLH beats PBF, then ODLH becomes #1 P4P.
Thats the way it works. :)

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So....let me get this straight. If Carlos Baldomir....he of the many defeats had beaten Floyd (with a lucky punch, or maybe Floyd got DQ'd), would you then consider Baldomir the #1 P4P, because I sure as hell wouldn't. For me, beating Floyd would not make ODLH the best P4P, he isn't active enough to be considered in that bracket....with 1 fight in the past three years. You can't be coming out of such a career break and win the P4P ranking.

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if oscar with heavens help suddenly found a way to win against floyd in there match and is suddenly proclaimed as now P4P #1. Iam sure many boxing fans and critics will disagree with it. but even more, if carlos baldomir deliver that so called lucky punch or DQed floyd and then suddenly proclaimed P4P #1 there will be no disagreement anymore. instead, boxing fans will kill them for their decision. ;D ;D

P4P title is not like the ABC belt we know that if for example if carlos baldomir beat floyd in a title fight he will then be proclaimed as the new champion instantly and have this belt and the title " The new blah blag blah champion of the world" P4P title is entirely different it is the toughest ever title for a boxer to get because it does not play by the book, it has something to do with "RESPECT" and in order to get that from the boxing fans in general. a boxer need to present grueling proofs such as their current track record, boxing skills and how you use and deliver it to your opponent and of course two of the most important things in consideration: quality of opponents and quality of wins against opponents etc.. etc...

problem with this situation is that there's a very big difference with the track record of golden boy and baldomir. This is the situation where record, quality of opponents and quality of wins comes in full force in the discussion. even then, it's just too tough to universally please everyone and hand in their respect to you as a boxer. but with the help of a highly respected boxing group such as the ring magazine. it would make life in boxing so much easier. ;)

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Originally Posted by sleeplessrevolution

well like mine,yours his and hers everyone seems to have his own meaning of what a P4P really is. Larry merchant is just stating his own opinion of what a P4P means in his own mind. Doesn't mean he is forcefully convincing you or anybody. just think about this, if larry merchant is no good in his own meaning of what P4P is, then what makes you think yours is better? In fact, what a P4P meant for you might be even worse to somebody who has another meaning in his mind.

here's another thing. We may all fantasize all day we want that if floyd vs pac happens, floyd destroys pac. how convenient and easy for us to predict things like this because we know fight is impossible to happen anyway. Many predictors of morales vs pac have already been a victim of this embarrassment at the end of EM vs pac trilogy. , truth be told in the case of pacquiao we learn that people is truly amazing that they can change even for such a short period of time if they have the patience,passion and the will to do so.

a destruction of pacman?..yes in reality that might be possible,very possible but also possible that floyds record may have now been stained if the pretty boy showed up on the fight against jose luis castillo will show in front of pac who beat EM in their trilogy. where floyd against castillo that time is clearly rattled with that type of pressure alone given to him. apparently, PAC is infinitely way too good in pressure type of fighting, he is not a wannabe on this area, It's his true character and style, Here's another fact, although pac is hittable doesn't mean he can't hit floyd back and would go down easily and please don't push the argument that floyd can't and will not be hit by pacman. Please kindly watch the 1st castillo and mayweather fight before you do embark on another level of fantasy. Why wouldn't pacman hit and hurt him when pac is way too fast than castillo, his punches comes in all angles, better head and feet moverment and most importantly way too blessed with endurance than a superbly conditioned castillo to keep up the pressure all night long. As this is a fantasy only lets just think that both great fighters meet as P4P fighter perse and not their current individual weight where of course floyd is a bigger fighter than the pacman. All this doesn't mean pac would surely win against mayweather anytime which goes the same for floyd, what iam implying is that floyd at bad night could be beaten by a prime pacman at least P4P. just my opinion..

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nice post!

well, i know floyd is fast and does have a lightning-quick reflexes. but manny is not a slow fighter.
if this fantasy match-up happens, lets say in 130 where manny is at now and where floyd has started, i bet manny has a chance for an upset if he will catch floyd with his left.
also, remember that floyd has power when he was in lightweight and he might be tempted to fight manny toe-to-toe just like what he did in JLC-PBF1.

imo, beating floyd is very hard but not impossible.

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Originally Posted by althetruthhindley

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Originally Posted by Starr

Mayweather is still p4p best to me.

Why would Manny be p4p best NOW after beating Jorge Solis ???

Even if Manny was p4p number 2 or 3 prior to this fight, why would he be number 1 after beating Jorge Solis ???

I think we should wait to see who wins between Winky and Hopkins and Mayweather and Oscar before we decide where they all are on the p4p list and if Hopkins is still active we need to place him there too(but I dont because Hopkins is semi-retired etc)

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look u have your opinion and i think pacman is p4p the best end of story
name any fighters Mayweather has beaten who are better than Morales and MAB ? im waiting for the answer ?

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Why you being a Dik to her?? She was just voicing her opinion in a respectful manner

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Originally Posted by puga_ni_nana

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Originally Posted by sleeplessrevolution

well like mine,yours his and hers everyone seems to have his own meaning of what a P4P really is. Larry merchant is just stating his own opinion of what a P4P means in his own mind. Doesn't mean he is forcefully convincing you or anybody. just think about this, if larry merchant is no good in his own meaning of what P4P is, then what makes you think yours is better? In fact, what a P4P meant for you might be even worse to somebody who has another meaning in his mind.

here's another thing. We may all fantasize all day we want that if floyd vs pac happens, floyd destroys pac. how convenient and easy for us to predict things like this because we know fight is impossible to happen anyway. Many predictors of morales vs pac have already been a victim of this embarrassment at the end of EM vs pac trilogy. , truth be told in the case of pacquiao we learn that people is truly amazing that they can change even for such a short period of time if they have the patience,passion and the will to do so.

a destruction of pacman?..yes in reality that might be possible,very possible but also possible that floyds record may have now been stained if the pretty boy showed up on the fight against jose luis castillo will show in front of pac who beat EM in their trilogy. where floyd against castillo that time is clearly rattled with that type of pressure alone given to him. apparently, PAC is infinitely way too good in pressure type of fighting, he is not a wannabe on this area, It's his true character and style, Here's another fact, although pac is hittable doesn't mean he can't hit floyd back and would go down easily and please don't push the argument that floyd can't and will not be hit by pacman. Please kindly watch the 1st castillo and mayweather fight before you do embark on another level of fantasy. Why wouldn't pacman hit and hurt him when pac is way too fast than castillo, his punches comes in all angles, better head and feet moverment and most importantly way too blessed with endurance than a superbly conditioned castillo to keep up the pressure all night long. As this is a fantasy only lets just think that both great fighters meet as P4P fighter perse and not their current individual weight where of course floyd is a bigger fighter than the pacman. All this doesn't mean pac would surely win against mayweather anytime which goes the same for floyd, what iam implying is that floyd at bad night could be beaten by a prime pacman at least P4P. just my opinion..

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nice post!

well, i know floyd is fast and does have a lightning-quick reflexes. but manny is not a slow fighter.
if this fantasy match-up happens, lets say in 130 where manny is at now and where floyd has started, i bet manny has a chance for an upset if he will catch floyd with his left.
also, remember that floyd has power when he was in lightweight and he might be tempted to fight manny toe-to-toe just like what he did in JLC-PBF1.

imo, beating floyd is very hard but not impossible.

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Thanks mate. I agree once floyd is lured into a toe to toe fight with pac, that's futile for him and could result to serious loss. either way with pac as an opponent, a normally skilled boxer will be forced to deal with him toe to toe somewhere at later rounds due to worries that pac has piled up considerable points already and his aggression is such a positive factor for the judges. however, if a greatly skilled boxer like pretty boy manages to pile up so many points early which i think is not too hard for him to do, well he might opt for his usual routine in the later rounds which is running like chicken mode or with his incredible speed floyd may immediately opt to chicken mode even at the very beginning of the fight till the end itself, it's actually up to him. until then a minor lead is never safe with someone as persistent and enduring like pacman.

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Originally Posted by supergenius

Can't agree with you cutmemick.

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Thats what the forum is for agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by supergenius

to be # 1 pound for pound you need to earn that.

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Right and IMO by defeating the current #1 P4P in the world will earn him just that.

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Originally Posted by supergenius

DEfeating the current #1P4P who may not actually deserve the title will not make the conqueror deserving of the title.

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May not actually deserve the title?
Now look I ain't no PBF fan and I agree an arguement can be made on whos #1 Winky or PBF. But the way it is he is #1.

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

So....let me get this straight. If Carlos Baldomir....he of the many defeats had beaten Floyd (with a lucky punch, or maybe Floyd got DQ'd), would you then consider Baldomir the #1 P4P, because I sure as hell wouldn't.

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Well not sure about #1 but he sure as hell would be top 5 FOR SURE! and I'll explain why, cause you would have to consider a couple of factors. 1) he hadn't lost since 1998. 2) Look at the quality of opposition he fought during that time. 3) He beat Zab Judah the then Welter. Champ. 4) He moved on to beat Gatti. From Zab and on all of this within 7 months. So if you ask me if Baldomir would have been #1 P4P I would say NO, top 5 yes. The thing that he lacks is IMO credentials prior to this he hadn't done much but beat Clottey via DQ. So thats were it hurts him.

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

For me, beating Floyd would not make ODLH the best P4P, he isn't active enough to be considered in that bracket....with 1 fight in the past three years. You can't be coming out of such a career break and win the P4P ranking.

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ODLH has the credentials the opposition the titles. I agree about the inactivity you are right. But how many times do we not see fighters hold on to titles NOT defend them in months I mean almost full years and NOT loose status?
ODLH has his status as one of the best fighters around regardless of ho wlong hes off, why? Cause we all know his game and hes willing to fight the best. Look at his record win, loose or draw hes fought some of the best opposition in boxing.

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Originally Posted by josef4334

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Actually if ODLH beats PBF, then ODLH becomes #1 P4P.
Thats the way it works. :)

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i dont have a problem with odlh being p4p #1.. he paid his dues.. stood in the ring and fought a war with the best boxing... if you could slug it out with julio ceasar chavez... you are something.. do you think floyd would fare well with jcc sr?

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Well it all depends at what weight this fight would take place.
At 130 I think PBF would take a close decision over JCC.
At 135 & 140 I think JCC takes both of those meetings. As JCC had his finest work done there. A lot of people say JCC vs. PBF would be like the MTaylor fight which I disagree as PBF wasn't/isn't as flashy as MT was and certainly MT & PBFs body size/structure is/was different MT was more built. But these kind of match ups is really hard to call one can only judge on who they favor and or how they think the fight would turn out.

Floyd is the P4P title holder.Most unbiased boxers and boxing analyst will agree.I think that Winky is #2 behind Floyd.People keep saying that Pac should be over Floyd because he has fought a couple of tough fighters multiple times.Well if your resume decides your status..then Winky should be #1 if not Floyd.He has 2 wins over Mosley,I thought he beat Vargas,He dominated Tito,Draw against Taylor....

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Originally Posted by Olympian904

Floyd is the P4P title holder.Most unbiased boxers and boxing analyst will agree.I think that Winky is #2 behind Floyd.People keep saying that Pac should be over Floyd because he has fought a couple of tough fighters multiple times.Well if your resume decides your status..then Winky should be #1 if not Floyd.He has 2 wins over Mosley,I thought he beat Vargas,He dominated Tito,Draw against Taylor....

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winky got his fame from beating blow up fighters, mosley and tito are much smaller then winky, and when winky face taylor someone whos not smaller then him he got a draw. so no winky does not have better resume then pac or floyd.

pac started at 106 floyd started 130 those two clearly put on a beating up to now in their current weight classes,both of them went up 24 pounds pac is at 130 now and floyd is now 154, and if i had to choose who destroyed more empressingly and beat better opositions i'd go with pac.

winky is third at best. pac or floyd is first place which ever you prefer, but it will be decided come May 5th. and after that if floyd wins he is top p4p but if pac beats jmm pac takes it. floyd is going to need to fight after may to remain p4p, if he retires pac is p4p. winky is on the decline pac is still on the rise and floyd is still prime but who knows what he'll do after May.

I've had the top 3 as Floyd, Winky and Pacquiao for a while, and I don't see why beating Solis would earn Pac the right to move up.