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Re: Floyd Mayweather .... i mean why ?
Floyd Mayweather does not deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Tommy Hearns , Alexis Arguello,Aaron Pryor,Chavez,Roberto Duran or Pernell Whittaker !
Sugar Ray Leonard would have fucking battered Floyd the fake and Benitez would have taken the piss out of him !!!!
Anyone who thinks otherwise needs a lobotomy .
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Whitaker Floyd 50-50? NO WAY! Pernell would beat Floyd's a**!Hearns would have battered him,Leonard would have been too much. I have little knowledge on Camacho when he was younger so fill me in on that Daxx.
At one point and time Camach was an aggressive puncher...In plain old english Hector was just MEAN...as with many young fighters we have seen throughout history always trying to prove a point....Well in one fight Hector was fighting a top ranked opp who I will not name because ICB is an expert who has seen enough of Camacho's fights to know everything about him....Or at least certain enough to know he would have no chance against Floyd Mayweather...
OK enough sarcasim.....Point is Hector was a top prospect and hopes for him were high...as with many weigh in's and pre fight hoopla and trash talk bad blood was built....Camacho took it too far and punished the fighter in the ring....And again I stress it was a very capable fighter at the time.....instaed of finishing it like a true warrior and letting things be...Camacho decided he wanted revenge so everytime he had the guy where he wanted him he would let up enough to let the guy gain some compsure and recoup between rds....This was something that had no bearing on looking good for the crowd or showboating it was pure intent...
When all was over the man was never the same again and to this day suffers from the beating Camacho gave him....This was a time when fights did not get stopped like they did now a days...There was no there will always be a tommorow safety first policy....
After seing what he had done Hector never went after an opponent like he did that night again...and that version of Hector Camacho was not the one most people know today...There was a time Hector not only was fast as lightning but liked to go at it... He was not a run around the ring type guy....
Here is a hint...look up Camacho's record on boxrec...take notice on when his KO and TKO's stopped coming on a regular basis
Who ever can figure it out and post a link to the fight or at least a clip...will get CC's on me for two weeks straight......The come talk to me about Hector Camacho and Flod Mayweather going toe to toe with him during his prime
Seen Camacho. Plenty of him.
And he wouldn't have beaten Floyd.
This is the same Camacho that was hit with consistant right hands from Rosario right???
I give Camacho credit he was a very very good fighter in his prime, but don't underestimate how good Floyd is right now just because he talks.
Fact of the matter is Camacho never fought anyone with Floyd's style, speed, or power. And when this fellow named Rosario wouldn't go away he tagged Camacho with right hands and hurt him badly. That was the fight that took the "Macho" out of the man. It was after that when Camacho didn't want to trade anymore. And you look at boxrec after the Rosario fight and tell me that fight didn't ruin him mentally as a fighter. And if Rosario can get in his head off of one right hand. What is Mayweather going to do to him with consistant straight shots and a defense that Camacho can't and wouldn't penatrate.
And I'm not overestimating Floyd or underestimating Camacho.
But I don't see any way that Camacho could ever beat Floyd. I also don't know why you think Camacho is faster then him. Camacho was fast. Not faster then Floyd, ESPECIALLY at Lightweight.
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CC Daxx. I have no idea about the answer to your question though....From the admittedly little which I have read,(and some wikipedia :-\ :P ) it said he changed his style after the Rosario fight....to avoid taking further punishment..??????
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As he dazzles us with his sublime skills , wonderful reflexes , fighting top name opponent's,
WHY does he have to talk total trash all the time ?
He could maybe 1 day be talked about in the same way as SRL or SRR but i doubt even his biggest fans like the way he acts outside the ring.
I think the majority of people will want Oscar to win , i mean I'm not Oscar's biggest fan by any means but hes a good role model for the sport and i want him to knock Floyd out mainly because i wanna see wot he has to say after .
So guys tell me your views?
and give me your prediction, mine is
Oscar KO 9
If............. Oscar were to KO Floyd (which would cause me to drink myself into a coma), let me save you the trouble, as I know exactly what Oscar would say.
He would go over and hug Floyd (much like he did Mayorga), and tell him he's sorry, but that he had to give him that beating for his own good. Then he would offer him a position in GBP.
Or something to that effect.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather .... i mean why ?
8) BECAUSE FLOYD MAYWEATHER CAN TALK THE TALK AND WALK THE WALK! THATS WHY! AND HE WILL WIN THAT FIGHT AGAINST OSCAR! ! ! 8)
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Re: Floyd Mayweather .... i mean why ?
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He is a pompus little a** who is skilled as they come but also came along in the right era.....If this was 1985 Floyd Mayweather would be just another fighter...I don't care what anyone says.....
Would you mind listing the fighters between 130 and 147 pounds who would have been better than Floyd in 1985?
When I say 1985 I refer to it as an about so if you want to get technical we will say from 1980-1988---
He would not have out boxed Hecto Camacho,,,Camacho would have frustrated Floyd,,,Aaron Pryor would have Ko'd him...Leonard would have beat him,,Hearns,,Arguello,,Whitaker,,,need I go on.....Everey single one of them would wipe thier a** with Floyds resume
Floyd would beat Arguello and Camacho and Whitaker fight would be 50/50 but Pryor and Hearns would beat him though.
You obviously have little knowledge of a young prime Hector Camacho...or Arguello pre 140 lbs
More to do with you underrating Mayweather i see Arguello get outboxed by Pryor when he stuck and move and Pryor isn't master boxer like Mayweather and i've seen flaws in Arguello where Mayweather could beat him in other fights and Camacho was good fighter but not as skilled as Mayweather i mean Camacho got battered pillar to post by slow Chavez and also got basically shut out by Oscar im sorry he wouldn't beat Mayweather and i've seen quite a few of his fights.
The Hector Camacho who fought Chavez was not a prime Camacho....It was not the version of Camacho who wore the lightweight title...So by using Chavez as an example you answered the question on how much you know of Hector Camacho Sr....And the fact you used Chavez tells me what years of Camacho you have seen...The lightweight Version of Camacho was faster then Floyd Mayweather JR....Hit harder and had a mean streak...Since you seem to think your what is it 17 or 18 years in life makes you such an expert I'll let you explain why and in which fight Camacho turned from the agressive master boxer to the hit and run suspect...
Your a good poster ICB and you have a lot of boxing knowledge but it is all based on recent fighters and comparisons are often made using great fighters past their best days
For the most part, I agree. I'm not sure if he had enough power, but I think a young Camacho would have had a hell of a chance. The problem is that most people seem to remember him as he was later in his career and that just doesn't do him justice. Even worse, it seems that many choose to remember him as something of a clown.
I do think, however, that Mayweather is soon to be exposed for what he is. Personally, I think he has some great skills, but his best skill might be finding fighters who wont challenge his weaknesses. I think he's been padding his record for years. Who the hell has this guy ever fought to deserve such renown? If De La Hoya pulls this off, people will barely remember Mayweather 5-10 years from now. And certainly not as an all-time great.
One way or the other, many delusions will be broken with this one.
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8) THE KID IS TO YOUNG FOR OSCAR! OSCAR IS JUST THERE FOR THE MONEY. HE WILL WANT TO WIN BUT THAT KID IS PRIME TIME RIGHT NOW I THINK!
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He is a pompus little a** who is skilled as they come but also came along in the right era.....If this was 1985 Floyd Mayweather would be just another fighter...I don't care what anyone says.....
Would you mind listing the fighters between 130 and 147 pounds who would have been better than Floyd in 1985?
When I say 1985 I refer to it as an about so if you want to get technical we will say from 1980-1988---
He would not have out boxed Hecto Camacho,,,Camacho would have frustrated Floyd,,,Aaron Pryor would have Ko'd him...Leonard would have beat him,,Hearns,,Arguello,,Whitaker,,,need I go on.....Everey single one of them would wipe thier a** with Floyds resume
Floyd would beat Arguello and Camacho and Whitaker fight would be 50/50 but Pryor and Hearns would beat him though.
You obviously have little knowledge of a young prime Hector Camacho...or Arguello pre 140 lbs
More to do with you underrating Mayweather i see Arguello get outboxed by Pryor when he stuck and move and Pryor isn't master boxer like Mayweather and i've seen flaws in Arguello where Mayweather could beat him in other fights and Camacho was good fighter but not as skilled as Mayweather i mean Camacho got battered pillar to post by slow Chavez and also got basically shut out by Oscar im sorry he wouldn't beat Mayweather and i've seen quite a few of his fights.
The Hector Camacho who fought Chavez was not a prime Camacho....It was not the version of Camacho who wore the lightweight title...So by using Chavez as an example you answered the question on how much you know of Hector Camacho Sr....And the fact you used Chavez tells me what years of Camacho you have seen...The lightweight Version of Camacho was faster then Floyd Mayweather JR....Hit harder and had a mean streak...Since you seem to think your what is it 17 or 18 years in life makes you such an expert I'll let you explain why and in which fight Camacho turned from the agressive master boxer to the hit and run suspect...
Your a good poster ICB and you have a lot of boxing knowledge but it is all based on recent fighters and comparisons are often made using great fighters past their best days
For the most part, I agree. I'm not sure if he had enough power, but I think a young Camacho would have had a hell of a chance. The problem is that most people seem to remember him as he was later in his career and that just doesn't do him justice. Even worse, it seems that many choose to remember him as something of a clown.
I do think, however, that Mayweather is soon to be exposed for what he is. Personally, I think he has some great skills, but his best skill might be finding fighters who wont challenge his weaknesses. I think he's been padding his record for years. Who the hell has this guy ever fought to deserve such renown? If De La Hoya pulls this off, people will barely remember Mayweather 5-10 years from now. And certainly not as an all-time great.
One way or the other, many delusions will be broken with this one.
He's been P4P number 1 for a couple years now. No chance he isn't remembered.
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He is a pompus little a** who is skilled as they come but also came along in the right era.....If this was 1985 Floyd Mayweather would be just another fighter...I don't care what anyone says.....
Would you mind listing the fighters between 130 and 147 pounds who would have been better than Floyd in 1985?
When I say 1985 I refer to it as an about so if you want to get technical we will say from 1980-1988---
He would not have out boxed Hector Camacho,,,Camacho would have frustrated Floyd,,,Aaron Pryor would have Ko'd him...Leonard would have beat him,,Hearns,,Arguello,,Whitaker,,,need I go on.....Everey single one of them would wipe thier a** with Floyds resume
Floyd would beat Arguello and Camacho and Whitaker fight would be 50/50 but Pryor and Hearns would beat him though.
You obviously have little knowledge of a young prime Hector Camacho...or Arguello pre 140 lbs
More to do with you underrating Mayweather i see Arguello get outboxed by Pryor when he stuck and move and Pryor isn't master boxer like Mayweather and i've seen flaws in Arguello where Mayweather could beat him in other fights and Camacho was good fighter but not as skilled as Mayweather i mean Camacho got battered pillar to post by slow Chavez and also got basically shut out by Oscar im sorry he wouldn't beat Mayweather and i've seen quite a few of his fights.
The Hector Camacho who fought Chavez was not a prime Camacho....It was not the version of Camacho who wore the lightweight title...So by using Chavez as an example you answered the question on how much you know of Hector Camacho Sr....And the fact you used Chavez tells me what years of Camacho you have seen...The lightweight Version of Camacho was faster then Floyd Mayweather JR....Hit harder and had a mean streak...Since you seem to think your what is it 17 or 18 years in life makes you such an expert I'll let you explain why and in which fight Camacho turned from the agressive master boxer to the hit and run suspect...
Your a good poster ICB and you have a lot of boxing knowledge but it is all based on recent fighters and comparisons are often made using great fighters past their best days
For the most part, I agree. I'm not sure if he had enough power, but I think a young Camacho would have had a hell of a chance. The problem is that most people seem to remember him as he was later in his career and that just doesn't do him justice. Even worse, it seems that many choose to remember him as something of a clown.
I do think, however, that Mayweather is soon to be exposed for what he is. Personally, I think he has some great skills, but his best skill might be finding fighters who wont challenge his weaknesses. I think he's been padding his record for years. Who the hell has this guy ever fought to deserve such renown? If De La Hoya pulls this off, people will barely remember Mayweather 5-10 years from now. And certainly not as an all-time great.
One way or the other, many delusions will be broken with this one.
He's been P4P number 1 for a couple years now. No chance he isn't remembered.
Well, we'll see. He's got some skill, yes, there's no disputing that. But I think he has some weaknesses that have stayed hidden because of his competition, or lack thereof, and most of this p4p thing over the last couple years has been more hype than substance.
If he were to get beaten badly in this one, then wrap up his career in a mediocre fashion, people would look back on his career and see no special accomplishments. Even now, hell, the guys been a pro for a decade and who's the best fighter he's ever faced? Castillo. A very good fighter, certainly, but look down the list of Oscar's competition and there are at least a half dozen names that are far superior. There's just no comparison. Also, I laughed my ass off the other night when I heard him say he fights the best. He never even fought the best at super featherweight or lightweight, not to mention that he could have moved up and faced real competion a long time ago. Nope, he's been content just hanging out there at 135 racking up wins against nobody, then complaining that he wasn't getting any respect.
Suddenly he moves up in weight, fights some, in my opinion, very questionable competition, and suddenly he's #1 p4p. Come on. All hype.
I might be dead wrong, it wont be the first time, but I just don't see it. Maybe on the 5th I will. Here's what I see now.
1) He's never fought anyone like Oscar, not in skill, power, or size. Not even close.
2) Now he's moving up dramatically in quality, and he's doing it at 154. 154!!! Since he's moved up from 135, who has he fought with any real power? Zip. Now he's moving up to 154 and he's never even felt any real 140 or 147 power, with the possible exception of a couple time Zab stuck him. He's going to be shocked when he feels Oscar's power.
That's the way it is with hype. It can disappear quickly. If he loses this one badly and doesn't manage anything particularly impressive the rest of his career, he'll be remembered on some level, but not with the respect of an all-time great that he seems to have now.
I've felt for a long time that a strong aggressive fighter with decent boxing skills could take advantage of Floyd. Someone who was willing to walk through his stuff and just take it to him hard. Did you ever notice how he reacted when those little guys would pound on him a little? That's why I think a young Camacho definitely could have beaten him, not to mention most of the others who were mentioned. Anyway, that's how I see it. Soon enough, we'll all know.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather .... i mean why ?
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Did you ever notice how he reacted when those little guys would pound on him a little?
No, what do you mean by this?
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Did you ever notice how he reacted when those little guys would pound on him a little?
No, what do you mean by this?
He doesn't like it. He squirms, twists, turns. Eventually he covers up and runs. Some would see it as a form of defense. I suppose it is, but I've always sensed a certain panic in it. A desperation. Unfortunately he's never fought anyone who could keep it up or make it count. Not yet.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather .... i mean why ?
Mayweather will embarass De La Hoya. It's no good listing a group of fighters from 20 years ago who would possibly beat him. Mainly because it cannot be proven. It's not Mayweather's fault some of the fighters around today don't seem to compare with those of 20 years ago. You have to take into consideration the ease in which Maweather has beaten most opposition before deciding he would get battered by the champions of two decades ago. I'm not even a Mayweather fan, i'm a Hatton fan but you have to respect talent when you see, regardless of how much of a prat he acts.
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Did you ever notice how he reacted when those little guys would pound on him a little?
No, what do you mean by this?
He doesn't like it. He squirms, twists, turns. Eventually he covers up and runs. Some would see it as a form of defense. I suppose it is, but I've always sensed a certain panic in it. A desperation. Unfortunately he's never fought anyone who could keep it up or make it count. Not yet.
Do you have direct examples of this?
As for "not liking it", does any fighter like getting hit with punches?
As for "covering up," isn't that what a fighter is supposed to do? Is he supposed to leave his hands down by his side and let his opponent take free shots?
I can't ever remember Floyd looking panicked or desparate in the ring. In fact, I'd say that's one of his biggest strengths, that he always looks relaxed and comfortable in the ring.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather .... i mean why ?
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Did you ever notice how he reacted when those little guys would pound on him a little?
No, what do you mean by this?
He doesn't like it. He squirms, twists, turns. Eventually he covers up and runs. Some would see it as a form of defense. I suppose it is, but I've always sensed a certain panic in it. A desperation. Unfortunately he's never fought anyone who could keep it up or make it count. Not yet.
Do you have direct examples of this?
As for "not liking it", does any fighter like getting hit with punches?
As for "covering up," isn't that what a fighter is supposed to do? Is he supposed to leave his hands down by his side and let his opponent take free shots?
I can't ever remember Floyd looking panicked or desparate in the ring. In fact, I'd say that's one of his biggest strengths, that he always looks relaxed and comfortable in the ring.
Of course no fighter likes getting hit, obviously that's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about his reaction in those situations, and of course something like that is very subjective. That's how I perceive him when he's faced with someone attacking and pressuring him. Examples? Look to his recent fight against Zab. Zab's best moments in that fight were when he was just attacking. I thought he dominated the first four rounds when he was able to do that effectively. Once he stopped attacking, it was over.
Floyd definitely prefers to stay in the middle of the ring, wear down his opponent, establish the distance, then pot shot him to death with superior conditioning, speed and accuracy (and an occasional elbow). If he's able to do that, he's lethal.
There has been no one he's faced that has the combination of strength and skill necessary to take him out of that mode for more than a moment here or there, but I do think it can be done, and I do think it can be done on the 5th.
Like I said, many questions will be answered. We'll know a lot more about both of these fighters after this one.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather .... i mean why ?
Well roy jones beat all his opponants with ease until a less skilled and less talented tarver came and sparked him
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Re: Floyd Mayweather .... i mean why ?
Floyd will NOT lose at 147 and down...period.Even Oscar at 154 wont beat him.I also don't see how his p4p status is even being questioned...he has been on the list for almost 10 years!!!
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You have to take into consideration the ease in which Maweather has beaten most opposition before deciding he would get battered by the champions of two decades ago.
UD - Baldomir (10 losses 6 draws mmm... well done Floyd).
UD - Judah (beaten by Baldomir/Spinks and sparked in Rd2 by Kostya mmm... well done Floyd).
TKO6 - Mitchell (KO'd 6 times sparked in Rd3 by Kostya & Rd4 by Williams mmm... well done Floyd).
TKO6 - Gatti (beaten 6 times previous and sparked in Rd5 by Oscar six years ago mmm... well done Floyd).
TKO8 - Bruseles (sparked in 3 by Ernesto Zavala :-X mmm... well done Floyd)
UD - Corely (beaten 5 times sparked in Rd5 by Cotto mmm... well done Floyd).
I take into consideration what other people have done to his opponents. ;) Floyd has done nothing defining since leaving 135. He may take his game to another level against Oscar but from what I have seen of him at 140 and 147 he has bitten off more than he can chew at 154.
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You have to take into consideration the ease in which Maweather has beaten most opposition before deciding he would get battered by the champions of two decades ago.
UD - Baldomir (10 losses 6 draws mmm... well done Floyd).
UD - Judah (beaten by Baldomir/Spinks and sparked in Rd2 by Kostya mmm... well done Floyd).
TKO6 - Mitchell (KO'd 6 times sparked in Rd3 by Kostya & Rd4 by Williams mmm... well done Floyd).
TKO6 - Gatti (beaten 6 times previous and sparked in Rd5 by Oscar six years ago mmm... well done Floyd).
TKO8 - Bruseles (sparked in 3 by Ernesto Zavala :-X mmm... well done Floyd)
UD - Corely (beaten 5 times sparked in Rd5 by Cotto mmm... well done Floyd).
I take into consideration what other people have done to his opponents. ;) Floyd has done nothing defining since leaving 135. He may take his game to another level against Oscar but from what I have seen of him at 140 and 147 he has bitten off more than he can chew at 154.
Well said. I cannot question Floyd's tremendous skills...but i can definitely question the level of his opponents. It's hard to say if it's Floyd's fault or not that he has faced weak fighters in recent years...but his resume is underwhelming at best. Maybe that will change in the coming years.
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IF his resume is that bad...name someone who he should have made his resume better...AND name an "A" fighter that they beat.I guess that rules out just about every welter except Mosley.
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IF his resume is that bad...name someone who he should have made his resume better...AND name an "A" fighter that they beat.I guess that rules out just about every welter except Mosley.
Its not neccessarily the names but the results. He won but he didn't do it in any better fashion than someone before him so how dose that make him so great? If he was great then...
He should have whooped Baldo so bad the ref stopped it.
He should have stopped Judah.
He should have stopped Mitchell quicker than Kostya or at least Williams.
He should have stopped a worn out Gatti quicker than Oscar did 6 years ago.
He should have stopped Bruseles quicker than Zavala did.
He should of stopped Corely quicker than Cotto did.
He's won but he has done nothing to his opponents at Welterweight that someone hasn't done better.
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IF his resume is that bad...name someone who he should have made his resume better...AND name an "A" fighter that they beat.I guess that rules out just about every welter except Mosley.
Its not neccessarily the names but the results. He won but he didn't do it in any better fashion than someone before him so how done that make him so great? If he was great then...
He should have whooped Baldo so bad the ref stopped it.
He should have stopped Judah.
He should have stopped Mitchell quicker than Kostya or at least Williams.
He should have stopped a worn out Gatti quicker than Oscar did 6 years ago.
He should have stopped Bruseles quicker than Zavala did.
He should of stopped Corely quicker than Cotto did.
He's won but he has done nothing to his opponents at Welterweight that someone hasn't done better.
He dominated ALL of them.He has only had 1 close fight...and has never been in trouble.Name a fighter who has never been in trouble??
Baldo KO'd Judah and look what Floyd did to Baldo...so you can't that just because he didnt KO someone,etc...that he has dont better.
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Floyd did what he was supposed to in those fights...easily beat inferior fighters. My problem is when the whole "all time great" moniker is attached to Floyd. That would mean that he should be mentioned in the same breath as some of the great champions of the past. Now...as i have said...it could be a matter of the era Floyd came up in...it could be a matter of certain fights never having materialized for WHATEVER reason.....but ultimately....Floyd has not faced and beaten a GREAT fighter(s) or provided lasting moments/fights. Fair or not...history remembers those who have provided special moments and lasting memories. Think Ali...immediately you can recall several images/moments/places. Same for Leonard. As it stands RIGHT NOW...10-20 years from now...when someone mentions Floyd....are people going to jump up and say "man, you remember how he whooped Arturo Gatti!" or "wow. he sure embarrassed Carlos Baldomir!" Again...not trying to hate or put all the blame on Floyd. And who knows...maybe he will end his career with some truly special moments.
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My problem is when the whole "all time great" moniker is attached to Floyd.
But who on this board calls Floyd an all-time great? I don't see anyone doing that. There's a difference between calling him the best fighter on the planet (which I do all the time) and calling him an all-time great.
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Ali was funny when he hyped it up. Mayweather makes me want to kill him. He acts like a 2 year old. He demeans his talent when he acts this way. He brings discredit to himself and boxing. Floyd Patterson was a joy to listen to. mayweather makes me wanna puke.
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I'd disagree with any of them frustrating and KO'ing Floyd.
you must be a superfan or ur just delusional. hector camacho sr alone would pick mayweather apart.. then to add hearns and pryor and leonard? you must be day dreaming of pbf!
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IF his resume is that bad...name someone who he should have made his resume better...AND name an "A" fighter that they beat.I guess that rules out just about every welter except Mosley.
Its not neccessarily the names but the results. He won but he didn't do it in any better fashion than someone before him so how done that make him so great? If he was great then...
He should have whooped Baldo so bad the ref stopped it.
He should have stopped Judah.
He should have stopped Mitchell quicker than Kostya or at least Williams.
He should have stopped a worn out Gatti quicker than Oscar did 6 years ago.
He should have stopped Bruseles quicker than Zavala did.
He should of stopped Corely quicker than Cotto did.
He's won but he has done nothing to his opponents at Welterweight that someone hasn't done better.
He dominated ALL of them.He has only had 1 close fight...and has never been in trouble.Name a fighter who has never been in trouble??
Baldo KO'd Judah and look what Floyd did to Baldo...so you can't that just because he didnt KO someone,etc...that he has dont better.
Lets swap history and pit Mosley against Mayweather's resume and Mayweather against Mosley's. oh now Mosley becomes undefeated. ;D
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IF his resume is that bad...name someone who he should have made his resume better...AND name an "A" fighter that they beat.I guess that rules out just about every welter except Mosley.
Its not neccessarily the names but the results. He won but he didn't do it in any better fashion than someone before him so how done that make him so great? If he was great then...
He should have whooped Baldo so bad the ref stopped it.
He should have stopped Judah.
He should have stopped Mitchell quicker than Kostya or at least Williams.
He should have stopped a worn out Gatti quicker than Oscar did 6 years ago.
He should have stopped Bruseles quicker than Zavala did.
He should of stopped Corely quicker than Cotto did.
He's won but he has done nothing to his opponents at Welterweight that someone hasn't done better.
He dominated ALL of them.He has only had 1 close fight...and has never been in trouble.Name a fighter who has never been in trouble??
Baldo KO'd Judah and look what Floyd did to Baldo...so you can't that just because he didnt KO someone,etc...that he has dont better.
Lets swap history and pit Mosley against Mayweather's resume and Mayweather against Mosley's. oh now Mosley becomes undefeated. ;D
probably, but I can't see Floyd losing to Forrest what-so-ever. Mosely was given the 2nd fight against Oscar. And Winky, well, I can't say Floyd would win. But all the other bums Mosely fought, Floyd would have beaten too. All that said, Oscar poses a threat, but Mosely is the one who poses the greatest threat to Floyd.
All credit due to shane. Forrest just had him punked since they were kids, the same way Holy did Tyson.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather .... i mean why ?
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Originally Posted by josef4334
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
I'd disagree with any of them frustrating and KO'ing Floyd.
you must be a superfan or ur just delusional. hector camacho sr alone would pick mayweather apart.. then to add hearns and pryor and leonard? you must be day dreaming of pbf!
I dont see ANY fighter frustrating and KO'ing Floyd.Period.Given Floyds talent,work ethic,trainer,and boxing history...you obviously are a Floyd hater.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather .... i mean why ?
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
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Originally Posted by josef4334
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
I'd disagree with any of them frustrating and KO'ing Floyd.
you must be a superfan or ur just delusional. hector camacho sr alone would pick mayweather apart.. then to add hearns and pryor and leonard? you must be day dreaming of pbf!
I dont see ANY fighter frustrating and KO'ing Floyd.Period.Given Floyds talent,work ethic,trainer,and boxing history...you obviously are a Floyd hater.
i am no means a hater of anybody, i just call how i see it.. i liked him before when he was in the lower weights.. when he moved up from 135 he was all bark no bite.. ill give him his props agains if he goes and pummel odlh.. i just disagree when people call themselves the greatest yet never backs it up.. i dont care if he wins or loses as long as he walks the talk
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Re: Floyd Mayweather .... i mean why ?
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Originally Posted by josef4334
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
I'd disagree with any of them frustrating and KO'ing Floyd.
you must be a superfan or ur just delusional. hector camacho sr alone would pick mayweather apart.. then to add hearns and pryor and leonard? you must be day dreaming of pbf!
Camacho would never beat Floyd. And in case you forgot, Floyd Sr. gave SRL a good run. Son is better than daddy was. Pryor would frusterate anyone, that's why he was ducked by SRL, and quite a few others. Hearns wouldn't frusterate Floyd, but has the power to KO him.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather .... i mean why ?
The only person that will beat floyd will either have the ability to smother him or get lucky with one really hard punch.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather .... i mean why ?
Im sorry but any of you guys who think Floyd Mayweather would have had any chance of beating Thomas Hearns are fooling themselves
To big to powerful massive reach advantage , just as fast , better boxer , Hearns KO'S Floyd inside 3 rounds for me.
but please give me your views guys as this is my opinion.
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Im sorry but any of you guys who think Floyd Mayweather would have had any chance of beating Thomas Hearns are fooling themselves
To big to powerful massive reach advantage , just as fast , better boxer , Hearns KO'S Floyd inside 3 rounds for me.
but please give me your views guys as this is my opinion.
Hearns has reach, and power, and I can't say floyd would beat him. But, Hearns wasn't as fast. He had an akward style that worked to his advantage.
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Originally Posted by althetruthhindley
Im sorry but any of you guys who think Floyd Mayweather would have had any chance of beating Thomas Hearns are fooling themselves
To big to powerful massive reach advantage , just as fast , better boxer , Hearns KO'S Floyd inside 3 rounds for me.
but please give me your views guys as this is my opinion.
Hearns was much bigger and more powerful, and had longer arms, but he wasn't nearly as fast as Floyd or as smooth of a boxer. Hearns was a very good boxer, but wasn't as technical of a boxer as Floyd is.
I give Hearns a great chance against Floyd because he's so much bigger, and because Hearns' one big weakness was his chin, but Floyd probably wouldn't have the power at 147 or 154 to hurt him.
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The only person that will beat floyd will either have the ability to smother him or get lucky with one really hard punch.
There is no such thing as a lucky punch. ;) Even I've come to terms with Tarver/Jones II
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Re: Floyd Mayweather .... i mean why ?
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IF his resume is that bad...name someone who he should have made his resume better...AND name an "A" fighter that they beat.I guess that rules out just about every welter except Mosley.
Its not neccessarily the names but the results. He won but he didn't do it in any better fashion than someone before him so how dose that make him so great? If he was great then...
He should have whooped Baldo so bad the ref stopped it.
He should have stopped Judah.
He should have stopped Mitchell quicker than Kostya or at least Williams.
He should have stopped a worn out Gatti quicker than Oscar did 6 years ago.
He should have stopped Bruseles quicker than Zavala did.
He should of stopped Corely quicker than Cotto did.
He's won but he has done nothing to his opponents at Welterweight that someone hasn't done better.
So he should of stopped Mitchell quicker than how quick Kostya done it ?? one of hardest hitting p4p fighters of last 10 years ??
And im sick of he should have done this and that it doesn't matter he still won easy you don't have to risk going for ko if you can shut your opponent out like Mayweather has skill to do.
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Originally Posted by Hairdoo
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IF his resume is that bad...name someone who he should have made his resume better...AND name an "A" fighter that they beat.I guess that rules out just about every welter except Mosley.
Its not neccessarily the names but the results. He won but he didn't do it in any better fashion than someone before him so how dose that make him so great? If he was great then...
He should have whooped Baldo so bad the ref stopped it.
He should have stopped Judah.
He should have stopped Mitchell quicker than Kostya or at least Williams.
He should have stopped a worn out Gatti quicker than Oscar did 6 years ago.
He should have stopped Bruseles quicker than Zavala did.
He should of stopped Corely quicker than Cotto did.
He's won but he has done nothing to his opponents at Welterweight that someone hasn't done better.
So he should of stopped Mitchell quicker than how quick Kostya done it ?? one of hardest hitting p4p fighters of last 10 years ??
And im sick of he should have done this and that it doesn't matter he still won easy you don't have to risk going for ko if you can shut your opponent out like Mayweather has skill to do.
OK I am going to regret saying this but....( and not because ICB said it but because it is an agreement about Floyd Mayweather lol)...But ICB is right.....and especially we are talking about Sharmba Mitchell....Not a P4P fighter but a guy who is a well schooled Vet of the game...Like ICB says you can't compare a KO stoppage by Tszyu to someone else....Kostya was a friken bad man when it came to power..it is what made him a legend....Floyd has a lot going for him but I never heard him referred to as a KO puncher....Samr for DLH VS Gatti....Oscar was disposing of all his opp at the time he fought Gatti...Corley actually IMO is no suprise that Floyd did not KO him...Cotto is the only man to ever stop him Corley is a tough tough guy...mascara and all....
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You have to take into consideration the ease in which Maweather has beaten most opposition before deciding he would get battered by the champions of two decades ago.
UD - Baldomir (10 losses 6 draws mmm... well done Floyd).
UD - Judah (beaten by Baldomir/Spinks and sparked in Rd2 by Kostya mmm... well done Floyd).
TKO6 - Mitchell (KO'd 6 times sparked in Rd3 by Kostya & Rd4 by Williams mmm... well done Floyd).
TKO6 - Gatti (beaten 6 times previous and sparked in Rd5 by Oscar six years ago mmm... well done Floyd).
TKO8 - Bruseles (sparked in 3 by Ernesto Zavala :-X mmm... well done Floyd)
UD - Corely (beaten 5 times sparked in Rd5 by Cotto mmm... well done Floyd).
I take into consideration what other people have done to his opponents. ;) Floyd has done nothing defining since leaving 135. He may take his game to another level against Oscar but from what I have seen of him at 140 and 147 he has bitten off more than he can chew at 154.
'Well done' you have basically come up with a list of fighters who are naturally bigger or hit much harder than Mayweather. He only left 135 just over a year and a half ago and in that time he has a win over Judah and now there is the fight with De La Hoya. It's unfair to expect fighters to have a career defining fight every year because there aint enough fighters out there that are good enough to define someone's career.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather .... i mean why ?
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Originally Posted by ono
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Originally Posted by Hairdoo
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Originally Posted by ono
You have to take into consideration the ease in which Maweather has beaten most opposition before deciding he would get battered by the champions of two decades ago.
UD - Baldomir (10 losses 6 draws mmm... well done Floyd).
UD - Judah (beaten by Baldomir/Spinks and sparked in Rd2 by Kostya mmm... well done Floyd).
TKO6 - Mitchell (KO'd 6 times sparked in Rd3 by Kostya & Rd4 by Williams mmm... well done Floyd).
TKO6 - Gatti (beaten 6 times previous and sparked in Rd5 by Oscar six years ago mmm... well done Floyd).
TKO8 - Bruseles (sparked in 3 by Ernesto Zavala :-X mmm... well done Floyd)
UD - Corely (beaten 5 times sparked in Rd5 by Cotto mmm... well done Floyd).
I take into consideration what other people have done to his opponents. ;) Floyd has done nothing defining since leaving 135. He may take his game to another level against Oscar but from what I have seen of him at 140 and 147 he has bitten off more than he can chew at 154.
'Well done' you have basically come up with a list of fighters who are naturally bigger or hit much harder than Mayweather. He only left 135 just over a year and a half ago and in that time he has a win over Judah and now there is the fight with De La Hoya. It's unfair to expect fighters to have a career defining fight every year because there aint enough fighters out there that are good enough to define someone's career.
In my opinion Floyd hasn't fought not a single 1 of the top 5 Welterweights at the moment, but he is going to retire after this fight because he says there is nothing left for him to prove!! ::**
At least make an attempt to prove to the Fans that you are the best Welterweight of your era before running off with your Golden Boy retirement cheque claiming to be the greatest ever. What a pussy. >:mad
Even though I say these things I' am 100% sure Floyd will not retire. Especially after watching 24/7. Floyd couldn't walk away from the sport if his life depended on it and he sure as shite isn't grown up enough to run a promotional company. ;D
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Re: Floyd Mayweather .... i mean why ?
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Originally Posted by Hairdoo
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Originally Posted by ono
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Originally Posted by Hairdoo
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Originally Posted by ono
You have to take into consideration the ease in which Maweather has beaten most opposition before deciding he would get battered by the champions of two decades ago.
UD - Baldomir (10 losses 6 draws mmm... well done Floyd).
UD - Judah (beaten by Baldomir/Spinks and sparked in Rd2 by Kostya mmm... well done Floyd).
TKO6 - Mitchell (KO'd 6 times sparked in Rd3 by Kostya & Rd4 by Williams mmm... well done Floyd).
TKO6 - Gatti (beaten 6 times previous and sparked in Rd5 by Oscar six years ago mmm... well done Floyd).
TKO8 - Bruseles (sparked in 3 by Ernesto Zavala :-X mmm... well done Floyd)
UD - Corely (beaten 5 times sparked in Rd5 by Cotto mmm... well done Floyd).
I take into consideration what other people have done to his opponents. ;) Floyd has done nothing defining since leaving 135. He may take his game to another level against Oscar but from what I have seen of him at 140 and 147 he has bitten off more than he can chew at 154.
'Well done' you have basically come up with a list of fighters who are naturally bigger or hit much harder than Mayweather. He only left 135 just over a year and a half ago and in that time he has a win over Judah and now there is the fight with De La Hoya. It's unfair to expect fighters to have a career defining fight every year because there aint enough fighters out there that are good enough to define someone's career.
In my opinion Floyd hasn't fought not a single 1 of the top 5 Welterweights at the moment, but he is going to retire after this fight because he says there is nothing left for him to prove!! ::**
At least make an attempt to prove to the Fans that you are the best Welterweight of your era before running off with your Golden Boy retirement cheque claiming to be the greatest ever. What a pussy. >:mad
Even though I say these things I' am 100% sure Floyd will not retire. Especially after watching 24/7. Floyd couldn't walk away from the sport if his life depended on it and he sure as shite isn't grown up enough to run a promotional company. ;D
In your opinion who are the top 5 welterweights?
