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Yawn. How many times have I seen this exact same thread in the past year?
Popo Freitas?? You've got to be kidding me. . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Didn't Floyd beat Coralles at super feather? (you know, Coralles, the guy who beat Popo down until Popo quit; you know, Coralles, the guy who was Ring Magazine's #6 P4P fighter at the time; you know, Coralles, the guy who was FAVORED by most boxing writers at the time to beat Floyd)
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1st and foremost thanks for SC#13, heres CC#44 on me for replying I can respect that.
No sir, I am not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
Yes, PBF did beat Corrales at Super Feather. in 2001Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
If you read my post I clearly stated that PBF-Poppo was/would have taken place in 1999.
Again I clearly stated these events took place in 1999 when PBF was the Super. Feather. champ & Popo was the WBO Champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
PBF beat Corrales 1st so how can you make an arguement that PBF beat Corrales who LATER beat Popo?
If Corrales would have beaten Popo prior to fighting PBF then I'd side with you and agree that PBF beat the Corrales the man.
And if you can dig up or give me names of these writers who favored 'Chico' I personally would really appreciate it I don't even need a link just names or site or something.
It aint all Floyds fault though. The only fighter he ducked was Margarito. But Hatton, Mosely, and Cotto haven't stepped up to the plate. Floyd's called them out.
Watch the HBO telecast of that fight. You'll hear them talking about how Coralles was favored to win. And #6 on the Ring's P4P list (a list "Popo" Freitas never came close to cracking). Get serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by Samson3000
Some fights are demanded by the public,others are HANDPICKED by fighters/promoters/mangers.
Floyd is ready to be taken by a big 154 pound guy. I am not sure that is Oscar. I think a Vernon Forrest or Margarito would have a good chance to beat him if they keep him at the end of the stick and make him come inside. He is quick, but a fast jab could do the trick . Remember Mosley with Forrest? Same thing, Forrest is not really in Mosley's caliber, yet he beat him 2 times. That is style and timing and size. If Mayweather loses on Sat. it will not be because Oscar is good it will be size. My thinking is that Floyd is good enough to win a decision and Oscar is not good enough to use his size advantage. And Oscar does not have a right hand.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
I wasn't aware HBOs Jim & Larry were writers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
Guess what HBO can make you favorable too if you were to fight PBF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
Your telling me to get serious when your using a network (in this case HBO) as your source.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
A network that gloryfys IT'S fighters to the fullest. A network that cares solely on the numbers they are pulling over their competitors.
And your telling me get serious.
I have facts that PBF was to face Popo (It's 1:00 am here so I won't do it now but if you come by here tommorrow I promise I'll scan the article for you :) )
My opinion here is that 'Popo' would beat PBF at Super Feather. around 1999.
Who PBF wen't on to beat after the fact is beyond this debate. For that matter whoever Popo beat is beyond this debate.
Please! arguements like that have no basis, it's a bunch if's and but's.... For you to say: "(you know, Coralles, the guy who beat Popo down until Popo quit")
Thats like if I was backing up my talk by saying "Well Popo wen't on to beat Casamayor who beat Corrales" ::**
thats nonesense I think the one who needs to get serious is you talkin' about PBF beat Corrales who beat Popo.
Whoa! so Duran beat Leonard but Leonard beat Hearns who beat Duran I bet that really confuses you theory here.
and I need to get serious. :beat:
8) Good work Wacko and Duran lost to Hearns styles make the fight babe!
I can't believe how dense you are. Watch the HBO telecast, and listen to Jim & Larry talk about how MOST WRITERS favor Chico. I'll be sure to spell everything out for you in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
But this one is even better:
Truly classic. Because here's the ONLY basis you've given for your "argument" that the soon-to-be-forgotten "Popo" Freitas would have beaten consensus #1 P4P Floyd Mayweather:Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Again: Get serious, Mick. This is child's play.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
BA HAH AH AHAHHA HA HA HA HA HA AH HA HA!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
Thats it?
Thats all you got?
It took you 9 hrs to come up with that. You didn't say nothing. You know man! you were probably better off not replying at all I would have and I do give you props for the try though. ;)
I am NOT basing my opinion on HBO or some writers thats why it's my opinion, you on the other hand are going by something you heard out of the mouth of 2 commentators. Please! whoever favored Chico to win that fight must have delusional or not fully there. Neither PBFs career now nore Popos career now have any relation to what could have tooken place back then. PBF isn't the same fighters he was back then and Popo isn't the fighter he was back then neither.
All I'm saying is that IMO 'Popo' beats PBF would they have fought in 1999 like it was intended at one point and PBF opted out to fight some other random guy.
For the record you were the one who started with this (you know the Corrales that beat Popo the Corrales that made Popo quit)
Like Corrales beating Popo in 2001 has anything to do with a way a fight would go that would have taken place in 1999.
I figured you had no actual response or articulable reason for why you think a B+ fighter like Freitas would beat Floyd. I'll fill in the blank: because you're a huge Floyd hater and you have your head up Oscar's ass. This is typical of all your posts--your emotion completely clouds any sense of rational argument. But then you get all arrogant and behave as if you've said something compelling or that someone else's clearly laid out disagreement with you is bollocks. It's exasperating. And you're rude. I promise you, if you weren't a moderator and able to keep tabs on who's sad-clicking you, you'd have a hell of a lot more of them.
For the record, I wasn't up all night coming up with a response to your illogical and self-contradictory nonsense. It took all of 20 seconds to read your post and respond.
You did? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
How did you figure this?
Wait... Dont tell me, you figured it the same way you figured black gloves look smaller then white gloves ;D
I wanted to comment on that but figured you looked bad enough already there was no need for me to jump in there plus I couldn't stop laughing. And I gotta admit that Danny_G can be fool sometimes the sh*t he comes up with will either make you laugh or piss you off, still think Danny_Gs Zab/wonder woman vid. is the best ever.... ;D
Question: What grade would you assign to PBF in 1999. Just out of curiosity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
Me hate on PBF, nah! my man you wanna see some hate check out my Zab posts now THATS some serious hate right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
With PBF is more like that annoying kid who flaps his mouth and just talks and talks, contradicts himself and just annoys you.
I think for the most part it's what comes out of his mouth thats annoying, his claims to be better the SRR P4P, better then Ali P4P, better then SRL P4P.
I thought this thread was on PBFs record, nopw that you've ran out of a good comment you hit me up with this:
It might seem that way but thats cause he has a fight coming up, as a fan of the sport and as a born and raised in East L.A. it's only right I back up my boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
Sounds to me like the emotional one here is you. This thread started on one thing and now your completely hyper ventalating over there about to pass out. Slow down my man, your gonna have a heart attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
Me rude? Well your entitled to have your opinions and so Am I. If you really feel I'm rude you and for that matter anyone here can complain to Saddo if they feel like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
For the most part I welcome as many new members as I can and help out with questions on the forum.
The fact that you told me 'Get Serious' and I replied with 'And you want me to get serious' :beat: does not make me rude as I was merely returning the favor.
Uuuummm!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
I doesn't take a genius to figure out that at the time you quoted me and you were obviously in disagreement with me my SC ratio went up. I didn't need to and don't need to keep tab's that was simply logic and thanks for confirming.
Well I guess our work here is done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
Hope tp see you here on May 5th or 6th, cause I sure as hell will be here drunk out of my mind more then likely but I'll be here.
Cheers mate!
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Mick, what the hell had Freitas done in 1999 to make him any more credible than many of Floyds opponents even to that date had been??? Pop hadn't done SHIT in 1999, and if Floyd had beat his ass then he would be remembered just like Sosa, Corley, or a handful of other guys Floyd beat and gets 0 credit for. You really think Popo would have stood a chance either??
CC#387 papking for coming into the debate the right way. :)
For starters he was the WBO Champ. He was rated #4 on avg. The fight was really suppose to come off (I'm at work now but I'll post the part of the article) Juarez (Popos trainer) & Popo had even began to train and prepare for the fight as it was gonna happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
As far as what Popo had done vs. the opponents PBF faced then. Well like I said he was a champ., he was undefeated. IMO at that time 1999-2000 the fight made more sense then PBF facing Jukko who was coming off a loss, Gerena (who is the fighter PBF opted for), Vargas I can't hack at PBF for him as Vargas was coming off some good wins and was some type of WBC champ., Augustus who was 2-4 in his last 6 fights. IMO fighting Popo made more sense.
Well see both Sosa & Corely were challengers, Popo was a champ. and had some credit behind him (more then Augustus, Jukko & Gerena at least)Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I give PBF credit for facing: Corrales, Chavez, Hernandez & Castillo in a row. Those opponents he get's credit from me. Other opponents like Bruseles, Mitchelle, even Zab I don't care what you tell me but after loosing to Baldomir he lost it for me. (But I understand that whole thing about the figh beeing signed)
At that time yes, Popo was a wreckless machine. I know your reading this now but neither fighters is the same that they were in 1999-2000. I mean PBF wasn't as developed as he is now, Popo was younger and stronger 'Chico' showed that the way to beat 'Popo' was power with power. For what it's worth I would have loved to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I have a non topic related question for you Mick. Sorry for chaning the subject...
I'm still kinda new in the forum and I saw something in your discussion that I don't understand yet. How does the rating system work anyway? How does you rating go up or down by other peoples responses and how do you monitor this? And finally, how do people know what number to put after a CC? I honestly thaught people were coming up with numbers at random. LOL
onces you have 100 post you'll understand how it all works. you'll be able to cool click=cc or sad click=sc others and your ratings will have +'s and -'s depending on what your fellow saddo heads gives you. its al base on sc, ccQuote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Thanks for the info. Guess I'll have to wait. The way I've been hooked lately, I don't think I'll have to wait long. ;D
Back to topic....ALL ELITE FIGHTERS HAND PICK THEIR OPPONENTS...ok I'm done.
No need to apologize thats what we are here for to learn.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
The rating system is :coolclick: or :sadclick: some people like myself just use CC or SC more simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
The rating is referring to people who have agreed with you :coolclick: / CC or people who disgaree with you :sadclick: / SC.
This rating is found below your name right under the glove you'll see a +15/-3 that means 15 people have liked/agreed with something you posted and 3 people have not liked/disagreed with something you posted.
You can start giving out CC's & SC's once you have reached 100 posts.
Once you read a post and you either agree or disagree you click on [cool] or [sad] (You can't see this yet cause again you don't have the 100 posts) and then the rating changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Pretty simple and once you get into it it'll be easy.
Now here, take CC#15 on me and keep posting (no :spam: please ;) )
Also don't turn into what is known as 'Cool Click whore' thats someone who asks for CC's instead of earning them, you'll loose respect like that.
Enjoy! your stay here at Casa De Saddos 8)
I think that list is very decent those guys where strong contenders and champs.
I just can wait to get bored out of mi mind watching the fight saturday first the boring card and then the main boring event, I just can't wait. I will be sipping in a glass of my $19 bottle of Whisky ( Chivas Regal 12 years)
no fighter fights a world champion every fight. execpt barrera and morrales because they only fight each other. i wish people would take judah out this list because Mayweather Judah was a fight that alot of fans had wanted to see for along time. it's not PBF fought that Judahs and idoit and lost to baldomir and took away from the hype of the fight.
mind you i bet half the people saying PBF hasn't fought anybody since 2002 picked gatti to beat PBF in 2005.
i hope this topic wasn't started to imply that oscar doesn't hand pick his opponents.
You guys may think it holds no relevance to your arguement but a stat that is interesting none the less:
Up until 2001 Freitas KTFO of every single one of his opponents 29-0 29ko's.
Thats just the tip of the iceberg, Popo at that time was out of this world he fought like a animal that had been caged and would only be released come fight night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hairdoo
Huh?
popo was good but now he's a quiter.
Mick will be supporting his HOF ballot anyway, based on his unrecognized (by all but Mick) position as the clear, dominant, ALL-TIME P4P #1 in 1999.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
Unfortunately now yes, he should have stayed retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
Oh! well....
I never stated that, thats something your delusional mind came up with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
If you can re-post where I stated Popo was #1 P4P in 1999. I will gladly admit to me being wrong. :)
Oh! and about him & HofF I personally do not think he will get in BUT I'll always bring this up. If McGuigan made it through that pretty much opens up the door for a lot of fighters.
It was obviously a joke--you've been unduly slobbering over how great this B+ fighter was in 1999 ("like a caged animal," "that's just the tip of the iceberg," "he would have beaten Floyd Mayweather," etc.). That's the point. Get it now?
i will admit i wouldn't have mind seeing a PBF Popo fight at one time.
....there are a number of other fighters Lil Floyd didn't fight, let us not forget he has NEVER unified any division he has set foot in.
130-147....now to 154....he's not unifying anything!!!
So that means he's not as great as he thinks he is
your a sad manQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
i think popp made a mistake of changing his style when he fought chico, popo was intimidated by chicos height. popo should of stayed to the k.o artist he was instead of trying to be a slick boxer.
would of been a good fight between popo and floyd both undefeated, i would of bet popo to catch floyd early.
Yep, I actually read through all of this waiting to see if someone would mention this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Your man PBF was BEATEN by JL Castillo in fight #1. In fight #2, PBF perfected the outside puncher style we see so much of nowadays. From there, he got the hell out of the Ltwts. Who didn't he fight? The other Ltwt champs.
He went to JuWelt and won a very early stoppage against chop-chop (I say the same for his fight against cotto--early stoppage), then beat Gatti. Who should he have fought? Hatton, Tszyu, Cotto. Those are pound for pound fights, but he tiptoed up to the next weight.
Who should he have fought at Welt? MARGARITO! That's who. If you are the longest standing Champion in your weight class, but you don't have the RING belt, that makes you the automatic #1 contender. It was true for Chris Byrd, it was also true for Calzhaghe. It is true for W.Klit right now. Somehow, this wasn't the case for Margarito. He should have been the first fight if PBFwanted to fight the 'real' champ. But he got a bypass, fighting non-contenders (has Sharmba won a fight at Welt?) then gets to fight for the championship.
The bottom line for me is this... PBF spends everyday talking about pound for pound best, but the challenges at pound for pound go unanswered by him.
If he uses his jab and run technique against DLH, he will lose all PPV credibility. If he stands and fights... does he even have a late round KO? DLH has plenty!
Let me know what you think!
Unifying is just as meaningless as the alphabet straps are. Remember that Mayweather got the first of his alphabet straps at 147 by beating a "champion" who had lost his last fight. If you don't believe in the straps (which you shouldn't--they're more about paying fees and being forced to fight bullshit no-name "contenders" than anything), then you shouldn't believe in unification. The Ring rankings are the only legit thing. So I agree that it would have been good for Floyd to fight Hatton or Tszyu while he was at 140 (though I don't think either would have been at all close), but I don't see any good complaint for the other divisions he's run through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
So why claim to have been the BEST at 130 if he never fought the best, unless you feel that beating Jukko, Rios, Gerena, Augustus and the rest of the nobodys gives him the right to claim that.Quote:
Originally Posted by shza
Same applies for his fighting at 135 & 140, credit to him for taking on JLC and wining on officially (but loosing in reality) he came back and redeemed himself he moves on to Sosa & N'Dou. At 140 credit to him for taking on the Champ. but thats all he did he didn't even bother to defend the title or anything.
BINGO!!! O0 O0 O0Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
What are you talking about? He beat Corralles at 130 (you somehow left that off your list ::**). Corralles was the consensus best fighter in that division at the time. ??? He beat Castillo at 135. Castillo was the consensus best fighter in that division at the time. He beat both the former and (at the time) current linear champs at 147 (Judah and Baldomir; and IMO Judah was the best guy there at the time--I've never been at all impressed with Margarito, who wouldn't have made it past Clottey without that lucky injury, and who will lose one of his next two fights for sure). So like I said, 140 is the only place to complain, since Tszyu, and then Hatton, were the top-rated guys there at the time. Though you can't really blame him for Hatton, since Hatton and his people officially said they wouldn't take the fight because "Hatton wasn't ready" for Floyd. And Tszyu was only there in the division with Floyd for a quick second before he retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
If what you mean by "he didn't face the best" is that he didn't beat the best five to ten fighters in every division he's been in, that's true. But it's true of pretty much everyone except Bernard Hopkins, who ruled the same division for 10 years. If you mean that he didn't face "the best" guy, you're just wrong. Castillo and Corrales were the best in their respective divisions at the time. Go check your Ring mag back issues.
Duran did not lose to Hearns because of style.. That one was Hearns having too fast a jab and fast punching. Hearns at 154 was prime and at 25 years old. Hearns was too much in every category. Barkley beating Hearns is style makes fight, but Hearns was faster than Duran. If a guy is faster that is speed making fight..
:coolclick: 190 :appl:Quote:
Originally Posted by shza