Who should PBF fight next? Fighters that you think can beat PBF....

has to be mosley

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At 175, yeah. Wlad Klitchko too, for that matter.

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I don't know Collazo gave Hatton everything he could handle, and more... If he hadn't been knocked down for whatever reason in the first round that fight was his. Mosley was faster than Collazo and won the fight decisively. Cotto is too slow, and doesn't have a great chin I think Mayweather would UD Cotto and OScar would knock him out. Margaritto same thing as Cotto.

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Good points, but the unstated premise here is that Hatton's big game at 147. I don't think he is. So Mosley beat the guy who almost beat Hatton. That doesn't do much for me in terms of proving Mosley up.

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I don't believe Winky can get back down to 154.. He's been weighing in at 170 for middleweight fights, and now he is fighting at 170 in which he will probably weigh close to 180 for the fight. I think that if he did get back down he is a little too old at this point, but yes he would be very tough for Mayweather and I think in his prime he beats Mayweather more often than not at 154.

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I seriously doubt Winky weighs any more in the ring against B-Hop than he does at the weigh-in. He's just not big enough to weigh more than 170 without it being a negative. And this will only be his third fight at above 154, so I'm not convinced he can't lose 16 pounds. In fact, given his physique, I'm pretty sure he could have dried out to 154 for both of his last fights and still rehydrated back up to 170.

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floyd ducked shane...because he knows that shane will beat him....he tried to say shane ducked him and the only reason shane wanted to fight was because he was desperate for a big payday since his career was almost over..this was after shane just beat collazo...

shane was 4-0 in his last 4 fights...oscar was 1-3 and..floyd can't justify fighting oscar over shane other than money...he would get way more credit for beating shane who already beat de la hoya twice

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Nah man i'm serious...listen in every post fight interview floyd had prior to beating baldomir he's never mentioned fighting shane...it wasn't until shane ko'ed vargas and beat collazo that floyd decided to even mention shane even then it was shane that called him out first...and to dismiss him (shane) as desperate is weird..esp considering the the logic by which he chooses who is worthy to fight him...

he chose not to fight margarito and hatton because they didn't meet the "two-named fighters criteria" he fought baldomir after he beat judah and gatti..there's is no logical explanation to pick oscar over shane other than money and the little piece of belt that he won..

as far as his career in history to real boxing enthusiast a victory over shane mosely is a much better accomplishment than one over oscar whom has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter....he has consciously ducked shane mosely because he knows enough about boxing to know that shane is too strong for him couple that with shane's work rate and he beats floyd easily...

Mosley would stop him. Id bet my house on it. Hed go right after him and show him no respect and not let up like Oscar. Id be surprised if Floyd lasted 6

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floyd ducked shane...because he knows that shane will beat him....he tried to say shane ducked him and the only reason shane wanted to fight was because he was desperate for a big payday since his career was almost over..this was after shane just beat collazo...

shane was 4-0 in his last 4 fights...oscar was 1-3 and..floyd can't justify fighting oscar over shane other than money...he would get way more credit for beating shane who already beat de la hoya twice

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Nah man i'm serious...listen in every post fight interview floyd had prior to beating baldomir he's never mentioned fighting shane...it wasn't until shane ko'ed vargas and beat collazo that floyd decided to even mention shane even then it was shane that called him out first...and to dismiss him (shane) as desperate is weird..esp considering the the logic by which he chooses who is worthy to fight him...

he chose not to fight margarito and hatton because they didn't meet the "two-named fighters criteria" he fought baldomir after he beat judah and gatti..there's is no logical explanation to pick oscar over shane other than money and the little piece of belt that he won..

as far as his career in history to real boxing enthusiast a victory over shane mosely is a much better accomplishment than one over oscar whom has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter....he has consciously ducked shane mosely because he knows enough about boxing to know that shane is too strong for him couple that with shane's work rate and he beats floyd easily...

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You've got it twisted. When Shane first came back down to 147, Floyd was there, but Shane said he "wasn't ready" for a Mayweather fight--he needed a tuneup before taking on anyone good. So he fought Collazo. By that time, Floyd was already working on getting a fight against Oscar. Shane NEVER said that he wanted to get to Floyd first. To the contrary, what he consistently said is that he wanted to fight Mayweather at 147 AFTER Floyd fought Oscar. So when exactly has Floyd had the opportunity to "duck" Shane Mosley. Is it because he didn't sign a contract with him sometime in the past 2 1/2 days?

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floyd ducked shane...because he knows that shane will beat him....he tried to say shane ducked him and the only reason shane wanted to fight was because he was desperate for a big payday since his career was almost over..this was after shane just beat collazo...

shane was 4-0 in his last 4 fights...oscar was 1-3 and..floyd can't justify fighting oscar over shane other than money...he would get way more credit for beating shane who already beat de la hoya twice

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Nah man i'm serious...listen in every post fight interview floyd had prior to beating baldomir he's never mentioned fighting shane...it wasn't until shane ko'ed vargas and beat collazo that floyd decided to even mention shane even then it was shane that called him out first...and to dismiss him (shane) as desperate is weird..esp considering the the logic by which he chooses who is worthy to fight him...

he chose not to fight margarito and hatton because they didn't meet the "two-named fighters criteria" he fought baldomir after he beat judah and gatti..there's is no logical explanation to pick oscar over shane other than money and the little piece of belt that he won..

as far as his career in history to real boxing enthusiast a victory over shane mosely is a much better accomplishment than one over oscar whom has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter....he has consciously ducked shane mosely because he knows enough about boxing to know that shane is too strong for him couple that with shane's work rate and he beats floyd easily...

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I seriously doubt knocking out Fernando Vargas is enough to warrant fear in anyone's heart ::**

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Mosley would stop him. Id bet my house on it. Hed go right after him and show him no respect and not let up like Oscar. Id be surprised if Floyd lasted 6

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floyd ducked shane...because he knows that shane will beat him....he tried to say shane ducked him and the only reason shane wanted to fight was because he was desperate for a big payday since his career was almost over..this was after shane just beat collazo...

shane was 4-0 in his last 4 fights...oscar was 1-3 and..floyd can't justify fighting oscar over shane other than money...he would get way more credit for beating shane who already beat de la hoya twice

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Nah man i'm serious...listen in every post fight interview floyd had prior to beating baldomir he's never mentioned fighting shane...it wasn't until shane ko'ed vargas and beat collazo that floyd decided to even mention shane even then it was shane that called him out first...and to dismiss him (shane) as desperate is weird..esp considering the the logic by which he chooses who is worthy to fight him...

he chose not to fight margarito and hatton because they didn't meet the "two-named fighters criteria" he fought baldomir after he beat judah and gatti..there's is no logical explanation to pick oscar over shane other than money and the little piece of belt that he won..

as far as his career in history to real boxing enthusiast a victory over shane mosely is a much better accomplishment than one over oscar whom has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter....he has consciously ducked shane mosely because he knows enough about boxing to know that shane is too strong for him couple that with shane's work rate and he beats floyd easily...

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You've got it twisted. When Shane first came back down to 147, Floyd was there, but Shane said he "wasn't ready" for a Mayweather fight--he needed a tuneup before taking on anyone good. So he fought Collazo. By that time, Floyd was already working on getting a fight against Oscar. Shane NEVER said that he wanted to get to Floyd first. To the contrary, what he consistently said is that he wanted to fight Mayweather at 147 AFTER Floyd fought Oscar. So when exactly has Floyd had the opportunity to "duck" Shane Mosley. Is it because he didn't sign a contract with him sometime in the past 2 1/2 days?

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well maybe ducking wasn't the right word...he never included shane on the list of fighters to beat for him..and yeah mosely wanted to get a tune up since he'd been at 154 for a while and maybe he needed that to remember how much faster the welterweight div is... either way there's no real way to justify picking oscar over mosley other than money..and let floyd tell it he didn't need oscar to make money because he's been rich for a long time

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floyd ducked shane...because he knows that shane will beat him....he tried to say shane ducked him and the only reason shane wanted to fight was because he was desperate for a big payday since his career was almost over..this was after shane just beat collazo...

shane was 4-0 in his last 4 fights...oscar was 1-3 and..floyd can't justify fighting oscar over shane other than money...he would get way more credit for beating shane who already beat de la hoya twice

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Nah man i'm serious...listen in every post fight interview floyd had prior to beating baldomir he's never mentioned fighting shane...it wasn't until shane ko'ed vargas and beat collazo that floyd decided to even mention shane even then it was shane that called him out first...and to dismiss him (shane) as desperate is weird..esp considering the the logic by which he chooses who is worthy to fight him...

he chose not to fight margarito and hatton because they didn't meet the "two-named fighters criteria" he fought baldomir after he beat judah and gatti..there's is no logical explanation to pick oscar over shane other than money and the little piece of belt that he won..

as far as his career in history to real boxing enthusiast a victory over shane mosely is a much better accomplishment than one over oscar whom has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter....he has consciously ducked shane mosely because he knows enough about boxing to know that shane is too strong for him couple that with shane's work rate and he beats floyd easily...

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I seriously doubt knocking out Fernando Vargas is enough to warrant fear in anyone's heart ::**

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as a natural 140 pounder one punch knocking out a big guy like vargas..plus shane's speed would make any small fighter reconsider..even floyd....trust me not on his best day with his fastest, hardest, blind shot would floyd kayo vargas with one punch

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well maybe ducking wasn't the right word...he never included shane on the list of fighters to beat for him..and yeah mosely wanted to get a tune up since he'd been at 154 for a while and maybe he needed that to remember how much faster the welterweight div is... either way there's no real way to justify picking oscar over mosley other than money..and let floyd tell it he didn't need oscar to make money because he's been rich for a long time

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I thought this part was obvious: no matter what Floyd said, Oscar wanted the Floyd fight, so his employee Shane was not going to get it. That's why Shane kept saying "this is a great fight . . . I think Oscar will win . . . but after he beats Mayweather, then it's my turn." DLH calls the shots--not Floyd or Shane.

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floyd ducked shane...because he knows that shane will beat him....he tried to say shane ducked him and the only reason shane wanted to fight was because he was desperate for a big payday since his career was almost over..this was after shane just beat collazo...

shane was 4-0 in his last 4 fights...oscar was 1-3 and..floyd can't justify fighting oscar over shane other than money...he would get way more credit for beating shane who already beat de la hoya twice

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Nah man i'm serious...listen in every post fight interview floyd had prior to beating baldomir he's never mentioned fighting shane...it wasn't until shane ko'ed vargas and beat collazo that floyd decided to even mention shane even then it was shane that called him out first...and to dismiss him (shane) as desperate is weird..esp considering the the logic by which he chooses who is worthy to fight him...

he chose not to fight margarito and hatton because they didn't meet the "two-named fighters criteria" he fought baldomir after he beat judah and gatti..there's is no logical explanation to pick oscar over shane other than money and the little piece of belt that he won..

as far as his career in history to real boxing enthusiast a victory over shane mosely is a much better accomplishment than one over oscar whom has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter....he has consciously ducked shane mosely because he knows enough about boxing to know that shane is too strong for him couple that with shane's work rate and he beats floyd easily...

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You've got it twisted. When Shane first came back down to 147, Floyd was there, but Shane said he "wasn't ready" for a Mayweather fight--he needed a tuneup before taking on anyone good. So he fought Collazo. By that time, Floyd was already working on getting a fight against Oscar. Shane NEVER said that he wanted to get to Floyd first. To the contrary, what he consistently said is that he wanted to fight Mayweather at 147 AFTER Floyd fought Oscar. So when exactly has Floyd had the opportunity to "duck" Shane Mosley. Is it because he didn't sign a contract with him sometime in the past 2 1/2 days?

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well maybe ducking wasn't the right word...he never included shane on the list of fighters to beat for him..and yeah mosely wanted to get a tune up since he'd been at 154 for a while and maybe he needed that to remember how much faster the welterweight div is... either way there's no real way to justify picking oscar over mosley other than money..and let floyd tell it he didn't need oscar to make money because he's been rich for a long time

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floyd ducked shane...because he knows that shane will beat him....he tried to say shane ducked him and the only reason shane wanted to fight was because he was desperate for a big payday since his career was almost over..this was after shane just beat collazo...

shane was 4-0 in his last 4 fights...oscar was 1-3 and..floyd can't justify fighting oscar over shane other than money...he would get way more credit for beating shane who already beat de la hoya twice

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Nah man i'm serious...listen in every post fight interview floyd had prior to beating baldomir he's never mentioned fighting shane...it wasn't until shane ko'ed vargas and beat collazo that floyd decided to even mention shane even then it was shane that called him out first...and to dismiss him (shane) as desperate is weird..esp considering the the logic by which he chooses who is worthy to fight him...

he chose not to fight margarito and hatton because they didn't meet the "two-named fighters criteria" he fought baldomir after he beat judah and gatti..there's is no logical explanation to pick oscar over shane other than money and the little piece of belt that he won..

as far as his career in history to real boxing enthusiast a victory over shane mosely is a much better accomplishment than one over oscar whom has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter....he has consciously ducked shane mosely because he knows enough about boxing to know that shane is too strong for him couple that with shane's work rate and he beats floyd easily...

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I seriously doubt knocking out Fernando Vargas is enough to warrant fear in anyone's heart ::**

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as a natural 140 pounder one punch knocking out a big guy like vargas..plus shane's speed would make any small fighter reconsider..even floyd....trust me not on his best day with his fastest, hardest, blind shot would floyd kayo vargas with one punch

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My friend, Wilfredo Rivera practically one punch knocked out Fernando Vargas for Christ's sake. Putting a dent in that ruined fighter is far from the Holy Grail of boxing ;D

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floyd ducked shane...because he knows that shane will beat him....he tried to say shane ducked him and the only reason shane wanted to fight was because he was desperate for a big payday since his career was almost over..this was after shane just beat collazo...

shane was 4-0 in his last 4 fights...oscar was 1-3 and..floyd can't justify fighting oscar over shane other than money...he would get way more credit for beating shane who already beat de la hoya twice

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Nah man i'm serious...listen in every post fight interview floyd had prior to beating baldomir he's never mentioned fighting shane...it wasn't until shane ko'ed vargas and beat collazo that floyd decided to even mention shane even then it was shane that called him out first...and to dismiss him (shane) as desperate is weird..esp considering the the logic by which he chooses who is worthy to fight him...

he chose not to fight margarito and hatton because they didn't meet the "two-named fighters criteria" he fought baldomir after he beat judah and gatti..there's is no logical explanation to pick oscar over shane other than money and the little piece of belt that he won..

as far as his career in history to real boxing enthusiast a victory over shane mosely is a much better accomplishment than one over oscar whom has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter....he has consciously ducked shane mosely because he knows enough about boxing to know that shane is too strong for him couple that with shane's work rate and he beats floyd easily...

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You've got it twisted. When Shane first came back down to 147, Floyd was there, but Shane said he "wasn't ready" for a Mayweather fight--he needed a tuneup before taking on anyone good. So he fought Collazo. By that time, Floyd was already working on getting a fight against Oscar. Shane NEVER said that he wanted to get to Floyd first. To the contrary, what he consistently said is that he wanted to fight Mayweather at 147 AFTER Floyd fought Oscar. So when exactly has Floyd had the opportunity to "duck" Shane Mosley. Is it because he didn't sign a contract with him sometime in the past 2 1/2 days?

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well maybe ducking wasn't the right word...he never included shane on the list of fighters to beat for him..and yeah mosely wanted to get a tune up since he'd been at 154 for a while and maybe he needed that to remember how much faster the welterweight div is... either way there's no real way to justify picking oscar over mosley other than money..and let floyd tell it he didn't need oscar to make money because he's been rich for a long time

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floyd ducked shane...because he knows that shane will beat him....he tried to say shane ducked him and the only reason shane wanted to fight was because he was desperate for a big payday since his career was almost over..this was after shane just beat collazo...

shane was 4-0 in his last 4 fights...oscar was 1-3 and..floyd can't justify fighting oscar over shane other than money...he would get way more credit for beating shane who already beat de la hoya twice

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You CANNOT be serious with this.

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Nah man i'm serious...listen in every post fight interview floyd had prior to beating baldomir he's never mentioned fighting shane...it wasn't until shane ko'ed vargas and beat collazo that floyd decided to even mention shane even then it was shane that called him out first...and to dismiss him (shane) as desperate is weird..esp considering the the logic by which he chooses who is worthy to fight him...

he chose not to fight margarito and hatton because they didn't meet the "two-named fighters criteria" he fought baldomir after he beat judah and gatti..there's is no logical explanation to pick oscar over shane other than money and the little piece of belt that he won..

as far as his career in history to real boxing enthusiast a victory over shane mosely is a much better accomplishment than one over oscar whom has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter....he has consciously ducked shane mosely because he knows enough about boxing to know that shane is too strong for him couple that with shane's work rate and he beats floyd easily...

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I seriously doubt knocking out Fernando Vargas is enough to warrant fear in anyone's heart ::**

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as a natural 140 pounder one punch knocking out a big guy like vargas..plus shane's speed would make any small fighter reconsider..even floyd....trust me not on his best day with his fastest, hardest, blind shot would floyd kayo vargas with one punch

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My friend, Wilfredo Rivera practically one punch knocked out Fernando Vargas for Christ's sake. Putting a dent in that ruined fighter is far from the Holy Grail of boxing ;D

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a knockdown isn't a KO..and didn't vargas stop him in 7? not to mention rivera is much bigger than shane...

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floyd ducked shane...because he knows that shane will beat him....he tried to say shane ducked him and the only reason shane wanted to fight was because he was desperate for a big payday since his career was almost over..this was after shane just beat collazo...

shane was 4-0 in his last 4 fights...oscar was 1-3 and..floyd can't justify fighting oscar over shane other than money...he would get way more credit for beating shane who already beat de la hoya twice

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You CANNOT be serious with this.

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Nah man i'm serious...listen in every post fight interview floyd had prior to beating baldomir he's never mentioned fighting shane...it wasn't until shane ko'ed vargas and beat collazo that floyd decided to even mention shane even then it was shane that called him out first...and to dismiss him (shane) as desperate is weird..esp considering the the logic by which he chooses who is worthy to fight him...

he chose not to fight margarito and hatton because they didn't meet the "two-named fighters criteria" he fought baldomir after he beat judah and gatti..there's is no logical explanation to pick oscar over shane other than money and the little piece of belt that he won..

as far as his career in history to real boxing enthusiast a victory over shane mosely is a much better accomplishment than one over oscar whom has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter....he has consciously ducked shane mosely because he knows enough about boxing to know that shane is too strong for him couple that with shane's work rate and he beats floyd easily...

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You've got it twisted. When Shane first came back down to 147, Floyd was there, but Shane said he "wasn't ready" for a Mayweather fight--he needed a tuneup before taking on anyone good. So he fought Collazo. By that time, Floyd was already working on getting a fight against Oscar. Shane NEVER said that he wanted to get to Floyd first. To the contrary, what he consistently said is that he wanted to fight Mayweather at 147 AFTER Floyd fought Oscar. So when exactly has Floyd had the opportunity to "duck" Shane Mosley. Is it because he didn't sign a contract with him sometime in the past 2 1/2 days?

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well maybe ducking wasn't the right word...he never included shane on the list of fighters to beat for him..and yeah mosely wanted to get a tune up since he'd been at 154 for a while and maybe he needed that to remember how much faster the welterweight div is... either way there's no real way to justify picking oscar over mosley other than money..and let floyd tell it he didn't need oscar to make money because he's been rich for a long time

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floyd ducked shane...because he knows that shane will beat him....he tried to say shane ducked him and the only reason shane wanted to fight was because he was desperate for a big payday since his career was almost over..this was after shane just beat collazo...

shane was 4-0 in his last 4 fights...oscar was 1-3 and..floyd can't justify fighting oscar over shane other than money...he would get way more credit for beating shane who already beat de la hoya twice

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You CANNOT be serious with this.

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Nah man i'm serious...listen in every post fight interview floyd had prior to beating baldomir he's never mentioned fighting shane...it wasn't until shane ko'ed vargas and beat collazo that floyd decided to even mention shane even then it was shane that called him out first...and to dismiss him (shane) as desperate is weird..esp considering the the logic by which he chooses who is worthy to fight him...

he chose not to fight margarito and hatton because they didn't meet the "two-named fighters criteria" he fought baldomir after he beat judah and gatti..there's is no logical explanation to pick oscar over shane other than money and the little piece of belt that he won..

as far as his career in history to real boxing enthusiast a victory over shane mosely is a much better accomplishment than one over oscar whom has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter....he has consciously ducked shane mosely because he knows enough about boxing to know that shane is too strong for him couple that with shane's work rate and he beats floyd easily...

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I seriously doubt knocking out Fernando Vargas is enough to warrant fear in anyone's heart ::**

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as a natural 140 pounder one punch knocking out a big guy like vargas..plus shane's speed would make any small fighter reconsider..even floyd....trust me not on his best day with his fastest, hardest, blind shot would floyd kayo vargas with one punch

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My friend, Wilfredo Rivera practically one punch knocked out Fernando Vargas for Christ's sake. Putting a dent in that ruined fighter is far from the Holy Grail of boxing ;D

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a knockdown isn't a KO..and didn't vargas stop him in 7? not to mention rivera is much bigger than shane...

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;D ;D ;D Exactly, perhaps you don't know the difference between a knockdown and a knockout:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr7guRjKelU

Exactly how is getting up after being decked and continuing, THEN getting stopped by a barrage of punches and suffering a TKO a one punch knockout ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I voted Mosely. Simply because I want to see 147 unified, and with Top Rank having a semi-tourney(Cotto,Judah,Tony,Williams), the winner should fight the Mosely-Mayweather winner. If Mosely fights Oscar first, and Hatton wins against JLC, then Floyd should try to lure Hatton back to 147. Or, If Cory Spinks stops the world in its rotation, and beats Taylor(ha ha ha, can't believe I just wrote that), then Floyd should go after him.

Mosely is my first choice, simply because Bob Arum isn't going to break his deal, and Floyd wouldn't fight one of his fighters for at least a year. I want to see Floyd back in action within 6-8 months. Which is probably wishful thinking.

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floyd ducked shane...because he knows that shane will beat him....he tried to say shane ducked him and the only reason shane wanted to fight was because he was desperate for a big payday since his career was almost over..this was after shane just beat collazo...

shane was 4-0 in his last 4 fights...oscar was 1-3 and..floyd can't justify fighting oscar over shane other than money...he would get way more credit for beating shane who already beat de la hoya twice

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Nah man i'm serious...listen in every post fight interview floyd had prior to beating baldomir he's never mentioned fighting shane...it wasn't until shane ko'ed vargas and beat collazo that floyd decided to even mention shane even then it was shane that called him out first...and to dismiss him (shane) as desperate is weird..esp considering the the logic by which he chooses who is worthy to fight him...

he chose not to fight margarito and hatton because they didn't meet the "two-named fighters criteria" he fought baldomir after he beat judah and gatti..there's is no logical explanation to pick oscar over shane other than money and the little piece of belt that he won..

as far as his career in history to real boxing enthusiast a victory over shane mosely is a much better accomplishment than one over oscar whom has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter....he has consciously ducked shane mosely because he knows enough about boxing to know that shane is too strong for him couple that with shane's work rate and he beats floyd easily...

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You've got it twisted. When Shane first came back down to 147, Floyd was there, but Shane said he "wasn't ready" for a Mayweather fight--he needed a tuneup before taking on anyone good. So he fought Collazo. By that time, Floyd was already working on getting a fight against Oscar. Shane NEVER said that he wanted to get to Floyd first. To the contrary, what he consistently said is that he wanted to fight Mayweather at 147 AFTER Floyd fought Oscar. So when exactly has Floyd had the opportunity to "duck" Shane Mosley. Is it because he didn't sign a contract with him sometime in the past 2 1/2 days?

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well maybe ducking wasn't the right word...he never included shane on the list of fighters to beat for him..and yeah mosely wanted to get a tune up since he'd been at 154 for a while and maybe he needed that to remember how much faster the welterweight div is... either way there's no real way to justify picking oscar over mosley other than money..and let floyd tell it he didn't need oscar to make money because he's been rich for a long time

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floyd ducked shane...because he knows that shane will beat him....he tried to say shane ducked him and the only reason shane wanted to fight was because he was desperate for a big payday since his career was almost over..this was after shane just beat collazo...

shane was 4-0 in his last 4 fights...oscar was 1-3 and..floyd can't justify fighting oscar over shane other than money...he would get way more credit for beating shane who already beat de la hoya twice

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You CANNOT be serious with this.

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Nah man i'm serious...listen in every post fight interview floyd had prior to beating baldomir he's never mentioned fighting shane...it wasn't until shane ko'ed vargas and beat collazo that floyd decided to even mention shane even then it was shane that called him out first...and to dismiss him (shane) as desperate is weird..esp considering the the logic by which he chooses who is worthy to fight him...

he chose not to fight margarito and hatton because they didn't meet the "two-named fighters criteria" he fought baldomir after he beat judah and gatti..there's is no logical explanation to pick oscar over shane other than money and the little piece of belt that he won..

as far as his career in history to real boxing enthusiast a victory over shane mosely is a much better accomplishment than one over oscar whom has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter....he has consciously ducked shane mosely because he knows enough about boxing to know that shane is too strong for him couple that with shane's work rate and he beats floyd easily...

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I seriously doubt knocking out Fernando Vargas is enough to warrant fear in anyone's heart ::**

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as a natural 140 pounder one punch knocking out a big guy like vargas..plus shane's speed would make any small fighter reconsider..even floyd....trust me not on his best day with his fastest, hardest, blind shot would floyd kayo vargas with one punch

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My friend, Wilfredo Rivera practically one punch knocked out Fernando Vargas for Christ's sake. Putting a dent in that ruined fighter is far from the Holy Grail of boxing ;D

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a knockdown isn't a KO..and didn't vargas stop him in 7? not to mention rivera is much bigger than shane...

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;D ;D ;D Exactly, perhaps you don't know the difference between a knockdown and a knockout:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr7guRjKelU

Exactly how is getting up after being decked and continuing, THEN getting stopped by a barrage of punches and suffering a TKO a one punch knockout ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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okay wow..he managed to get up for a few seconds...but face it that fight was over after that punch that one punch ended the night....and even still on floyd best night, with his best and hardest punch even with vargas not seeing it couldn't put vargas down like that....that punch ended the night the rest was all a blurred memory

After Margarito's last fight and Floyd's last fight, it does not appear that ANYONE thinks Margarito can beat Floyd anymore. He's too easy to hit and Floyd's too fast. Mosley looks to be the only man left to put an "L" on Floyd's record, funny how a year can change everything. :o

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Floyd wouldn't even stop Oscar if he were a stop sign!

pac-man at 135 itll never happen now but if it did id pick pac to win it

oscar was troubling floyd with flurries but he could only throw them when floyd was on the ropes i think manny could throw them in the centre of the ring too and be successful i think his southpaw stance would also give floyd the same problems judah did over the first 6 rounds but throughout the fight

You're right about one thing - no way it could happen!!!

Only people between 140 & 154 that I give any chance to beat PBF are Cotto at 147, Winky (if he could make 154) and possibly Mosely at 147, but I don't think he has enough left.

Well here's my list of CURRENT fighters able to beat Floyd....

Shane Mosley
Winky Wright
Miguel Cotto

I think Paul Williams needs some more experience and he needs to fight at 154

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You're right about one thing - no way it could happen!!!

Only people between 140 & 154 that I give any chance to beat PBF are Cotto at 147, Winky (if he could make 154) and possibly Mosely at 147, but I don't think he has enough left.

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it couldnt happen now but floyd started at that weight and i do believe it was talked about before the de la hoya fight was signed

after pac i would possibly say cotto but he hasnt thought no one of that class yet

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You're right about one thing - no way it could happen!!!

Only people between 140 & 154 that I give any chance to beat PBF are Cotto at 147, Winky (if he could make 154) and possibly Mosely at 147, but I don't think he has enough left.

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it couldnt happen now but floyd started at that weight and i do believe it was talked about before the de la hoya fight was signed

after pac i would possibly say cotto but he hasnt thought no one of that class yet

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PBF is far too big mate, just not viable. Pac started at 105 Pounds!!! Even as a kid PBF was 135. Pac is only 5 ft 6!! - Just could not happen

I think.. If floyd comes back..And wants some of that middleweight glory..

I think Bernard Hopkins would be the best..and the most satisfying candidate to beat him..

I also cant see bernard taking the same shit as oscar during the build up to the fight..
And i would not be suprised if Bernard could still make middleweight..

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You're right about one thing - no way it could happen!!!

Only people between 140 & 154 that I give any chance to beat PBF are Cotto at 147, Winky (if he could make 154) and possibly Mosely at 147, but I don't think he has enough left.

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it couldnt happen now but floyd started at that weight and i do believe it was talked about before the de la hoya fight was signed

after pac i would possibly say cotto but he hasnt thought no one of that class yet

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PBF is far too big mate, just not viable. Pac started at 105 Pounds!!! Even as a kid PBF was 135. Pac is only 5 ft 6!! - Just could not happen

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floyd started at 130 so i doubt he was 135 as a kid

also pac is 5ft 6 and floyds 5ft 8 so 2 inch difference there was 2.5 inch differnece between floyd and DLH didnt really matter though did it

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pac-man at 135 itll never happen now but if it did id pick pac to win it

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for gods sake, pac would be eating leather and chasing mayweather all night.

Yeaa..Frankly..Although i love pac.. He had enough trouble with J.m.Marquez once juan manuel had figured him out and started to counter him..

I see pac loosing quite convincingly... But would still love to see it..I think pac's leaping strait punches could cause problems for Floyd though.. I think the strait right is the key to hurting floyd..
Its probably the only punch to be landed on him frequently..

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pac-man at 135 itll never happen now but if it did id pick pac to win it

oscar was troubling floyd with flurries but he could only throw them when floyd was on the ropes i think manny could throw them in the centre of the ring too and be successful i think his southpaw stance would also give floyd the same problems judah did over the first 6 rounds but throughout the fight

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I was thinking about this the other day too. Pac-Man is too defensively challenged for Floyd. He makes way too many mistakes but he gets away with them because other fighters aren't good enough to exploit them. Floyd would have exploited them @ 135. But I do agree than Pac would give Floyd some trouble because Floyd has had trouble with quick southpaws his whole career. BTW, this fight technically could happen at 140, but Pac would have no chance. If Pac beats JMM, he needs to move up right away.

I think Shane has the power to hurt Floyd. I think he can be hurt if you catch him, he just can't be caught cleanly. sMosley has the speed, sophisticated offensive arsenal, and conditioning to make it interesting. He has the chin withstand the shots that he's going to take. Of course, he'd probably still lose. Think about it this way - Let's call the Oscar fight 8-3-1. To me, that's about as far as you can put the fight in Floyds favor. Is Shane an overall better fighter than Oscar? No question in my mind. Does Shane matchup better with Floyd than Oscar did? With his better speed, yes I think.

So, win or lose, I think Shane would be a tougher and more dangerous opponent for Floyd. I thought that before the fight and I think it now. Can Shane win two more rounds than Oscar did? One more round? If he does, the fight becomes very, very close.

I always thought Oscar needed a KO to win. With Shane, I think he might be able to outpoint him. Shanes combinations will be faster and more accurate than Oscar's were, and Floyd would need to engage more and pot shot less or risk having the judges give it Shane based on aggressiveness and combination punching. If Shane forces Floyd to through combos, throw more than 2 punches at time, he'll have some openings and he might be quick enough to take advantage. I could see Shane winning a contraversal SD.

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I wanted to see him fight Ricky Hatton at 147, but honestly, that's just because I believe it will be a brutal beating for Hatton. He SHOULD fight Mosley because I want to see Floyd push himself. I like Floyd but as of late I've been getting frustrated with him. He clearly beat ODLH but I feel like if he stepped it up a bit in the last four rounds and put some punches together, he could have stopped ODLH. If he doesn't put in more work against Mosley, I actually believe that Mosley will win and possibly knock Floyd out. It's too bad that Mosley didn't take the fight in February because now I think that Floyd is probably holding a grudge against Mosley. I don't really blame him either, Mosley really has been ducking Floyd for years and now his old a** wants to cash in.

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floyd ducked shane...because he knows that shane will beat him....he tried to say shane ducked him and the only reason shane wanted to fight was because he was desperate for a big payday since his career was almost over..this was after shane just beat collazo...

shane was 4-0 in his last 4 fights...oscar was 1-3 and..floyd can't justify fighting oscar over shane other than money...he would get way more credit for beating shane who already beat de la hoya twice

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Floyd never ducked Shane in his life. Floyd has been calling out Shane Mosley and Oscar De La Hoya since 2004. Floyd wanted to fight Shane in November way before he even thought about fighting Baldomir and actually made him an offer but Shane "wanted to take a vacation." And unlike you, I have actual proof.

http://www.mlive.com/sports/grpress/...280.xml&coll=6

Next time do your homework. I don't blame Floyd at all, he's been calling out Shane for years.

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floyd ducked shane...because he knows that shane will beat him....he tried to say shane ducked him and the only reason shane wanted to fight was because he was desperate for a big payday since his career was almost over..this was after shane just beat collazo...

shane was 4-0 in his last 4 fights...oscar was 1-3 and..floyd can't justify fighting oscar over shane other than money...he would get way more credit for beating shane who already beat de la hoya twice

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You CANNOT be serious with this.

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Nah man i'm serious...listen in every post fight interview floyd had prior to beating baldomir he's never mentioned fighting shane...it wasn't until shane ko'ed vargas and beat collazo that floyd decided to even mention shane even then it was shane that called him out first...and to dismiss him (shane) as desperate is weird..esp considering the the logic by which he chooses who is worthy to fight him...

he chose not to fight margarito and hatton because they didn't meet the "two-named fighters criteria" he fought baldomir after he beat judah and gatti..there's is no logical explanation to pick oscar over shane other than money and the little piece of belt that he won..

as far as his career in history to real boxing enthusiast a victory over shane mosely is a much better accomplishment than one over oscar whom has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter....he has consciously ducked shane mosely because he knows enough about boxing to know that shane is too strong for him couple that with shane's work rate and he beats floyd easily...

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This is completely inaccurate.
Floyd's first choice was to fight Shane instead of Baldomir. Shane refused, saying he wouldn't fight again for the rest of the year. So then Floyd made the deal with Baldomir.
Also, you say Floyd chose not to fight Hatton. Could you please specify when Hatton offered to fight Floyd?

EDIT: Beaten to it by albsur

Personally, I don't wanna see him fight Mosley. For me, beating Mosley would only prove what he did against De La Hoya. I firmly believe Floyd could go at Middleweight, and for him, I feel to cement his legacy, it would be better for him to go for a modern era champion like Jermain Taylor. People will say Mosley isn't what he was if Floyd beat him.

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I think.. If floyd comes back..And wants some of that middleweight glory..

I think Bernard Hopkins would be the best..and the most satisfying candidate to beat him..

I also cant see bernard taking the same S*** as oscar during the build up to the fight..
And i would not be suprised if Bernard could still make middleweight..

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come on now bro-ham. B-hop was too big for tarver at light heavy, thats just not a fair fight imo

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I think.. If floyd comes back..And wants some of that middleweight glory..

I think Bernard Hopkins would be the best..and the most satisfying candidate to beat him..

I also cant see bernard taking the same S*** as oscar during the build up to the fight..
And i would not be suprised if Bernard could still make middleweight..

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come on now bro-ham. B-hop was too big for tarver at light heavy, thats just not a fair fight imo

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Lol..Bro ham!! Hehe..

Your not wrong.. Bernard has probably been to big for most of the fighters he has ever faced..
But its not particularly the size of him that makes me say he would destroy mayweather..

Its the skill of bernard and his style that would take floyd to school...

Bernard is a defensive great.. If bernard couldnt land much on floyd..Floyd would have just as much trouble landing on bernard..
And the way Hopkins utilises his great stamina and lateral movement and leaps in with combo's.. moves back out knows all the sneaky little tricks of the game.. hits you in the arse..the hips.. pushes you around a little.. forces an uppercut on the inside..

I beleive not only that bernard would beat floyd during the fight..
But i would think half way through the fight floyd would be frustrated and loose his confidence..

I mean..This is assuming both guys are at middleweight..Its a plausible fight if they both weight the same..But aside from all the advantage Bhop has over floyd..His size would likely be that one step too far when it comes to disadvantages..

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You're right about one thing - no way it could happen!!!

Only people between 140 & 154 that I give any chance to beat PBF are Cotto at 147, Winky (if he could make 154) and possibly Mosely at 147, but I don't think he has enough left.

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:coolclick: Agree pretty much 100%...but not about the Cotto part.

I also think, that to truly seal his legacy, Floyd has to beat Butterbean.

He's the only truly skilled fighter left out there. Does anyone think Floyd would be able to get up to 525lbs for this fight?

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You're right about one thing - no way it could happen!!!

Only people between 140 & 154 that I give any chance to beat PBF are Cotto at 147, Winky (if he could make 154) and possibly Mosely at 147, but I don't think he has enough left.

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:coolclick: Agree pretty much 100%...but not about the Cotto part.

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Muchos Gracias and CC back

Note about Cotto I did say People I would give "any chance" ;)

I still truely belive that there's one man with the perfect style to beat Floyd Mayweather, and that is Ricky Hatton, Oscar proved that you can win rounds against Mayweather and so did Castillo, with effective pressure, persistance and perpetual forward motion. Forget the weight, it isn't an issue because they'll both be around 150-154 in the ring if its at welter, its all about styles. I've been saying this for 3 years now and others used to say it but they've all disappeared, but if they fight then I'm going to be putting a months pay on a Hatton victory. Mark my words, and when it happens, if Ricky loses you can all say I told you so but if not, oohhhh it'll be SO sweet.

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I still truely belive that there's one man with the perfect style to beat Floyd Mayweather, and that is Ricky Hatton, Oscar proved that you can win rounds against Mayweather and so did Castillo, with effective pressure, persistance and perpetual forward motion. Forget the weight, it isn't an issue because they'll both be around 150-154 in the ring if its at welter, its all about styles. I've been saying this for 3 years now and others used to say it but they've all disappeared, but if they fight then I'm going to be putting a months pay on a Hatton victory. Mark my words, and when it happens, if Ricky loses you can all say I told you so but if not, oohhhh it'll be SO sweet.

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I hate to say this...but I just don't see it that way in any way shape or form.

Collazo & Urango gave Hatton fits...& I don't see either of them troubling Mayweather.

IWO, the only way to beat Floyd is to match his speed & endurance...& the only man I see that could do that was Judah on speed & then Mosley on the speed & endurance part.

Hatton's bullish style would get him picked apart, IWO.