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8) I have to agree boxing is a sport where you hit and try not to be hit. And Floyd does it pretty well no doubt. I cant see why he would retire but that is his choise free will. I wish him well at whatever he does. Id like to see him back one day he has had a great career in boxing. He has so much tallent! Good Luck Floyd At Whatever You Decide To Do!!! 8)
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8) I have to agree boxing is a sport where you hit and try not to be hit. And Floyd does it pretty well no doubt. I cant see why he would retire but that is his choise free will. I wish him well at whatever he does. Id like to see him back one day he has had a great career in boxing. He has so much tallent! Good Luck Floyd At Whatever You Decide To Do!!! 8)
Yes agreed thats what you aim for in boxing hit as much as you can without getting hit in return i don't think most people like getting hit unless they have screw loose somewhere.
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CC Ice, I agree completely.
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Thats right baby..Now where the magic mans props at everyone?
:P
Peace
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CC Ice, I agree completely.
cc back mate.
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I thought this wuote was great given the jist of the thread ;D
[quote=ICE COLD BOXING ]
fuck all that tap tap run shite eh ICE? ;)
Im all for hit and not get hit. I'd just rather see it done the way Calzaghe did to Lacy rather than the way Mayweather did it to Baldomir. It doesnt have to be as dull as dishwater.
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I thought this wuote was great given the jist of the thread ;D
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F*** all that tap tap run shite eh ICE? ;)
Im all for hit and not get hit. I'd just rather see it done the way Calzaghe did to Lacy rather than the way Mayweather did it to Baldomir. It doesnt have to be as dull as dishwater.
Memphis i would rather watch toe to toe battle if i was buying it but if i was a pro boxer i would do what Mayweather does.
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Everyone would. The trade off being that average Joe who wants a bit more bang for his buck finds you a TV turn off. Give him Gatti any day of the week.
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Mayweather's real motto:
Boxing is about hitting and avoiding real matchups.
and throw cash at the camera. haha This lame guy is dictating what boxing is all about? heh
Damn... you guys are short-sighted.
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I'm the total opposite and it never feels the same watching it the next day for me.
I do agree that it needs to be watched again to score it properly,kinda hard with a room full of people hammered on whatever their poison is at 4am ;D
Well theres two reason's i didn't one i didn't think it would be much of a fight and i was right and second i didn't want to waste money on fight i didn't think would be much of a fight but i will maybe reconsider with Hatton vs Castillo that has slugest written all over it ;)
ice its different when u watch it live....like when i watch a fight the next day its not as exciting but live man it was awsome the atmosphere and vibe gets the blood rushing
but hey thats just me matey
didn't wana waste money mate i know it was massive and ect but i knew it wouldn't live up to the hype and i was right i
only pay for fights where i think there going be good toe to toe battle or atleast good action.
Nice post Ice CC from me. However I find the highlighted statement above a little contradictory considering the opening of this post from you. I realise it's being picky. The point you make at the start is totally valid and true IMO. The occasional boxing fan tends to like the all action toe to toe fights with all the blood and guts however people who know boxing a little better can appreciate "the sweet science" as well as a good tough fight but between good fighters not pub/street brawlers. My view is that the occasional boxing fan may not see the difference and might prefer the pub/street brawler style of fight and this may explain some of the popularity of the UFC/MMA style at present. Two fights spring to mind for me. The first and kind of obvious one is Chico v Castillo. A tough fight, lots of toe to toe action b/w two great fighters and everyone here (i assume) loved/loves to see that fight. The second is the B-Hop v Tarver fight. For me it was great to watch how someone with boxing skill can outclass another fighter. There wasn't much toe to toe action from memory but still I enjoyed it. I've had coffee - I'm raving.................. But I guess the skill of boxing is what you are referring to in the opening post and above and how it can be appreciated in fights such as PBF showed in the ODLH V PBF fight and this is as much good boxing as say the castillo v corrales fight. Ok I'll leave you all alone now and go relieve some of this coffee from my system.
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I'm the total opposite and it never feels the same watching it the next day for me.
I do agree that it needs to be watched again to score it properly,kinda hard with a room full of people hammered on whatever their poison is at 4am ;D
Well theres two reason's i didn't one i didn't think it would be much of a fight and i was right and second i didn't want to waste money on fight i didn't think would be much of a fight but i will maybe reconsider with Hatton vs Castillo that has slugest written all over it ;)
ice its different when u watch it live....like when i watch a fight the next day its not as exciting but live man it was awsome the atmosphere and vibe gets the blood rushing
but hey thats just me matey
didn't wana waste money mate i know it was massive and ect but i knew it wouldn't live up to the hype and i was right i
only pay for fights where i think there going be good toe to toe battle or atleast good action.
Nice post Ice CC from me. However I find the highlighted statement above a little contradictory considering the opening of this post from you. I realise it's being picky. The point you make at the start is totally valid and true IMO. The occasional boxing fan tends to like the all action toe to toe fights with all the blood and guts however people who know boxing a little better can appreciate "the sweet science" as well as a good tough fight but between good fighters not pub/street brawlers. My view is that the occasional boxing fan may not see the difference and might prefer the pub/street brawler style of fight and this may explain some of the popularity of the UFC/MMA style at present. Two fights spring to mind for me. The first and kind of obvious one is Chico v Castillo. A tough fight, lots of toe to toe action b/w two great fighters and everyone here (i assume) loved/loves to see that fight. The second is the B-Hop v Tarver fight. For me it was great to watch how someone with boxing skill can outclass another fighter. There wasn't much toe to toe action from memory but still I enjoyed it. I've had coffee - I'm raving.................. But I guess the skill of boxing is what you are referring to in the opening post and above and how it can be appreciated in fights such as PBF showed in the ODLH V PBF fight and this is as much good boxing as say the castillo v corrales fight. Ok I'll leave you all alone now and go relieve some of this coffee from my system.
CC back i like a good solid tactical match sometimes but if its like 17 pound or ect to be honest i would rather get it in a couple of days but thats my opinion mate but point im trying to make is boxing is about hitting and trying not to get hit back of course we all like slugfest but what im saying is thats what boxings all about and thats why guys like Gatti who blocks punches with his face never made it to elite level even though he was one of the most exciting fighters.
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Yes true and a well made point. Hopefully that style of defense used by Gatti wont prove to be harmful in the long term.
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To me boxing is about beating your opponent whether your toe to toe or not.
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I agree with the title.
To emphasize the HITTING first.... then not getting hit second.
I never give credit to a guy that is focused more on not getting hit than he is on landing punches. The goal is to knockout your opponent. If someone treats it like a basketball game just trying to outscore their opponent, won't win a found on my card.
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ON thing is evade punches and cover yourself like Winky among others but to run all day the fucking ring like track and field is ridiculous
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Mayweather's real motto:
Boxing is about hitting and avoiding real matchups.
and throw cash at the camera. haha This lame guy is dictating what boxing is all about? heh
Damn... you guys are short-sighted.
Exactly what "real matchups" has he avoided?
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This is the reason Boxing was so great. This is the reason why Floyd could barely got the peoples recognition of his talents they just are not interested at that kind of boxing. Don't get me wrong I hate the guy but he has an incredible talent. Look a Direll that guy would probably won't fight at HBO again.
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I agree with the title.
To emphasize the HITTING first.... then not getting hit second.
I never give credit to a guy that is focused more on not getting hit than he is on landing punches. The goal is to knockout your opponent. If someone treats it like a basketball game just trying to outscore their opponent, won't win a found on my card.
CC EXACTLY! HIT is the MOST IMPORTANT thing!CC
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I like to watch boxers, that doesn't mean I like to watch guys that just concentrate on defense and never throw punches, but Floyd's interesting to watch, except for a fight or two.
But I don't think there's any doubt that boxing would be more popular to the casual fan if more of the fighters were action oriented. Most people just don't have that much interest in sitting through twelve slow paced tactical rounds. A big boxing fan can be entertained by a guy like Floyd even if he's not in an "action fight", but I don't think many casual fans are that blown away by him blocking punches with his shoulder, or jabbing to the body.
Look at MMA. I think most people watching want to see the fighters on their feet throwing punches. The most exciting part of the sport is boxing/kickboxing, and they don't do it nearly as well as boxers. But its shorter, people don't have to sit through 12 rounds, and there's more knockouts, more action.
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8) CC Icecold boxing 8)
cc back.
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Floyd won't get respect until he starts getting hit more.
I just don't get it.
neither do i why do fighters have to take punishment to get respect i just don't get it.
Entertainment factor.
Besides, a lot of people dont get the scoring of todays boxing. More time than not, a relatively noo to boxing will think 'the other' guy won.
Im not saying their right, or wrong. Im just saying that i DO get it.
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In my book until someone can force Mayweather to fight different Mayweather should continue his style it works best for him and if i was in his shoes i would do too its not Mayweathers fault he is much better than his opp that no one can make him fight differently.
Good point about Mayweather :coolclick:
Dela Hoya was nearly there though. Nearly.
At one section of the fight i thought he was making Floyd look prety ineffective & ordinary. But Dela Hoya faded so it was all lost.
Nearly ay... ::**
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In my book until someone can force Mayweather to fight different Mayweather should continue his style it works best for him and if i was in his shoes i would do too its not Mayweathers fault he is much better than his opp that no one can make him fight differently.
Good point about Mayweather :coolclick:
Dela Hoya was nearly there though. Nearly.
At one section of the fight i thought he was making Floyd look prety ineffective & ordinary. But Dela Hoya faded so it was all lost.
Nearly ay... ::**
cc back he almost done it but it wasn't the night of the jab ;D
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
I agree with the title.
To emphasize the HITTING first.... then not getting hit second.
I never give credit to a guy that is focused more on not getting hit than he is on landing punches. The goal is to knockout your opponent. If someone treats it like a basketball game just trying to outscore their opponent, won't win a found on my card.
Exactly. Which is why I absolutely hated the Dirrell-Stevens fight that was on the undercard to Malignaggi-N'Dou last Saturday night. This Dirrell dude was running all over the ring, rarely stopping to throw punches. That he won the decision was more of a testament to Stevens' ineptitude than anything Dirrell himself did. Had I been the ref for that fight, I would've told Dirrell's corner that his fighter had better get with it, or I'd be stopping the fight. I loved how Larry Merchant was all over the fight, dumping on Dirrell every chance he had. But hated how Lennox Lewis (the more I see of his commentary, the less I want to continue seeing him) kept defending the bum, calling his tactics "effective movement." Effective my ass.
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Mayweather's real motto:
Boxing is about hitting and avoiding real matchups.
and throw cash at the camera. haha This lame guy is dictating what boxing is all about? heh
Damn... you guys are short-sighted.
Exactly what "real matchups" has he avoided?
It's well documented that he avoided Margarito's 8 million dollar check years before he even stepped in the ring with Oscar. That is as EXACT as it gets. Mayweather says he won't fight him until he fights Oscar, which didn't happen until years after the 8 million offer was made. And with the help of HBO, he managed to steer away from tough young welterweights, like Kermit Cintron, and faced old and done Sharmba Mitchell ? wtf? He's a real bad@ss. Mosely even has the b@lls to face a young and tough welterweight in David Estrada. I was a true hardcore fan, I knew who Estrada was, before he met Mosley. I saw he was one young tough sunuvabiatch with promise. We knew Mosley would win, but it's nice to see how he deals with a young determined talented man. Mayweather should handle fights like Estrada and Cintron, but those are interesting matchups to hardcore fans. (Actually Cintron has a BIG chance now that he's grown as a fighter.) Meanwhile Floyd still turns down a then career high 8 mill in Margarito... who if he's such a chump, then take the money and "easily" win. Then Judah loses in a laughable fight to Baldo, and the pound for pound king says that he's the best choice for "the best" ? wtf ? ??? Well, since Baldomir has matched Mayweather in defeating both Judah and Gatti... that's pretty embarrasing right? This old, clumsy man, who's as fast as mud, has matched you with your best recent wins, right? NOW he HAS to fight HIM! Then he fights Baldo in un-spectacular fashion... or should I say one-punch fashion. During all this time he convinces more people that he's special? He looks special, but has he Done special? What's so special about beating Sharmba? Williams handled him. We all knew Sharmba was old... Well, us that follow boxing closely. As for Judah? What has he really done at 147 if you think about it? Lose for the most part. Then after a while ANY young tough fighter mentioned as an opponent for Mayweather is said to be the wrong choice because Floyd has to make a multi-million dollar deal with Oscar. Man I always knew Oscar fight was a business deal. Now he says he's retired? I'm telling you, HE AVOIDS.
Then he calles Mosley a sparring partner, so he won't fight him?
And he can't fight Cotto because he's retired?
I mean, he has his fans make excuses for him.
Is this the a Pound for Pound number One Boxer? Hellll no. When you talk about Mayweather "MONEY" ALWAYS ends up in the conversation. P4P #1 doesn't depend on making high profile business deals such as Oscar, Gatti, Judah. It's not a popularity contest.
Pacquiao destroyed, dominated, and finished two hall of famers who were healthy enough to fight back. THATS what it takes to make number 1.
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CC in 24 Gyro. Excellent because even if one doesnt agree 100% with what you have written,you have used proof. You have made your points well,based mainly on facts.
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CC gyro , for what Gamo said rly
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Im not Floyd fan at all but there is more to boxing than toe to toe slugfest sometimes using sweet science is pleasure to watch and these people who are saying Floyd should of brawled more are talking out there a** its funny because if you was Mayweather you would box and hit and not get hit and you certainly wouldn't be brawling a bigger man unless you got screws loose somewhere Whitaker used same tactics as Floyd no one hates him same with Willie Pep i know Floyd can sometimes be jack a** but you can't deny his talent and as my title says thats what boxing is all about.
I think this is a bit simplistic...I think part of it is the damage of punches, and ring generalship and aggression ...If A fighter lands a ton of pitter pat punches but fighter B is pushing the pace, controlling the ring and landing less but harder punches then I tend to give the round to B. I score the ODH/PBF fight 5 round to 7 respectively and would have understood a draw as well. If you are going to fight PBF's style then you have to look real good doing it. That being said I think PB fought a smart fight. He knew that ODH couldn't maintain his early pace for 12 rounds. I think it was risky though. Had ODH not stopped using the jab or landed one or two more big punches I think the fight could have easily gone the other way.
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CC gyro , for what Gamo said rly
same
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IF PBF wants to go with a Legit lagacy he at least has to fight Mosley. One fight that is all he has to do. One more fight!!! a rematch with Oscar won't sell at all trust me I will never pay to see those 2 fighting
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This is the reason Boxing was so great. This is the reason why Floyd could barely got the peoples recognition of his talents they just are not interested at that kind of boxing. Don't get me wrong I hate the guy but he has an incredible talent. Look a Direll that guy would probably won't fight at HBO again.
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CC mate I loved them!
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CC gyro , for what Gamo said rly
same
Thanks guys. cc back
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Mayweather's real motto:
Boxing is about hitting and avoiding real matchups.
and throw cash at the camera. haha This lame guy is dictating what boxing is all about? heh
Damn... you guys are short-sighted.
Exactly what "real matchups" has he avoided?
It's well documented that he avoided Margarito's 8 million dollar check years before he even stepped in the ring with Oscar. That is as EXACT as it gets. Mayweather says he won't fight him until he fights Oscar, which didn't happen until years after the 8 million offer was made. And with the help of HBO, he managed to steer away from tough young welterweights, like Kermit Cintron, and faced old and done Sharmba Mitchell ? wtf? He's a real bad@ss. Mosely even has the b@lls to face a young and tough welterweight in David Estrada. I was a true hardcore fan, I knew who Estrada was, before he met Mosley. I saw he was one young tough sunuvabiatch with promise. We knew Mosley would win, but it's nice to see how he deals with a young determined talented man. Mayweather should handle fights like Estrada and Cintron, but those are interesting matchups to hardcore fans. (Actually Cintron has a BIG chance now that he's grown as a fighter.) Meanwhile Floyd still turns down a then career high 8 mill in Margarito... who if he's such a chump, then take the money and "easily" win. Then Judah loses in a laughable fight to Baldo, and the pound for pound king says that he's the best choice for "the best" ? wtf ? ??? Well, since Baldomir has matched Mayweather in defeating both Judah and Gatti... that's pretty embarrasing right? This old, clumsy man, who's as fast as mud, has matched you with your best recent wins, right? NOW he HAS to fight HIM! Then he fights Baldo in un-spectacular fashion... or should I say one-punch fashion. During all this time he convinces more people that he's special? He looks special, but has he Done special? What's so special about beating Sharmba? Williams handled him. We all knew Sharmba was old... Well, us that follow boxing closely. As for Judah? What has he really done at 147 if you think about it? Lose for the most part. Then after a while ANY young tough fighter mentioned as an opponent for Mayweather is said to be the wrong choice because Floyd has to make a multi-million dollar deal with Oscar. Man I always knew Oscar fight was a business deal. Now he says he's retired? I'm telling you, HE AVOIDS.
Then he calles Mosley a sparring partner, so he won't fight him?
And he can't fight Cotto because he's retired?
I mean, he has his fans make excuses for him.
Is this the a Pound for Pound number One Boxer? Hellll no. When you talk about Mayweather "MONEY" ALWAYS ends up in the conversation. P4P #1 doesn't depend on making high profile business deals such as Oscar, Gatti, Judah. It's not a popularity contest.
Pacquiao destroyed, dominated, and finished two hall of famers who were healthy enough to fight back. THATS what it takes to make number 1.
Its hard to argue Floyds P4P status after beating Oscar but you do make a good point about Floyd treading ultra carefully to the 'top'.
CC Gyrokai. I try to lay of the Floyd bashing but i agree with you mostly ;)
