Well we may as well move on to Hatton vs Castillo now

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Originally Posted by shza

How about this: when Hatton beat Tszyu, it was just because Tszyu was past his prime.

See? Works both ways!

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Was Tszyu coming of his two worst performances or probably his best, stopping the THEN favourite and number 1 Sharmba Mitchell ???

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by shza

This is so lame. Line it up now. If he ever fights Cotto or actually lands a PBF fight and loses, it won't be because he just NEVER was as good as those guys -- it's just because he's past his (one night only) peak. Never mind that PBF is older than he is.

How about this: when Hatton beat Tszyu, it was just because Tszyu was past his prime.

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Why is it it lame?? I think Cotto and Mayweather will probably beat him either way, but lame?? Hatton struggled against a guy (Uranga) who had no boxing skills whatsoever, he was fucked i have never seen Hatton like that before 18 months ago the majority of this forum would put Hatton top 3/4 fittest boxers in the ring, he has not looked good, he looked his best between 2003/2005, you say he is 28, but over the last 2 years he has fought twice so that works out at say 20 weeks getting yourself ready in a period of 102 weeks, so for only 15% of the time over the past two years he has been working out, getting in shape the other 80/85% he has been eating what he wants drinking what he wants basically living life to the full, thats why i think he is past his best he has not been active enough, so i dont see how that can be lame??? Age is a number it's how you look after yourself, look at BHop most 42 year olds struggle to get out of bed the next day after some sort of exercise, but BHop is still a top boxer because he has lived his life in the correct way to keep him the way he is at 42.

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I just think Hatton has looked bad because he has fought two bigger, stronger southpaws. I know Castillo hits really well to the body and that has been the major talking point.......a bit like Tszyu's big right hand was, but Graham and Hatton worked on a plan to avoid that one shot and i think they will be working on something similar with Castillo's body shots. They're not stupid.

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Originally Posted by ono

I just think Hatton has looked bad because he has fought two bigger, stronger southpaws. I know Castillo hits really well to the body and that has been the major talking point.......a bit like Tszyu's big right hand was, but Graham and Hatton worked on a plan to avoid that one shot and i think they will be working on something similar with Castillo's body shots. They're not stupid.

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It was his stamina (or lack of) that concerns me, becuase this is without doubt his biggest strength, i.e work rate, pressure! Without that :-\

I think people are overly critical about Hatton's last three fights.

He knocked Maussa out with a fantastic punch...ok it wasn't his best night but it was a KO.

The Collazo fight was a great fight. I think for his first step up, the fight was exciting and great to watch. He was really tested but he still won.

He clearly beat Urango. It was a boring fight but to be fair, for Ricky, fighting Urango musta been like have sex with a fat girl in that it was difficult to get up for.

It would be better to judge him on the Castillo fight.

Will have to wait and see, but one thing i've noticed is that Hatton doesn't really seem to use his body punching like he used to. I read somewhere that this was because of some problem with his hips (?) that means he can't really sit down on the punches like he used to? Can anyone confirm this?

Hopefully gonna be a good night, both men will be well up for it, as people said before where does the loser go? For me, based on previous performances I gotta go with Hatton, he looked poor in the second half of his last fight, but to me Castillo looked a hell of a lot worse in his last outing, he lucky to even win...

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Originally Posted by SirDrinksalot

Will have to wait and see, but one thing i've noticed is that Hatton doesn't really seem to use his body punching like he used to. I read somewhere that this was because of some problem with his hips (?) that means he can't really sit down on the punches like he used to? Can anyone confirm this?

Hopefully gonna be a good night, both men will be well up for it, as people said before where does the loser go? For me, based on previous performances I gotta go with Hatton, he looked poor in the second half of his last fight, but to me Castillo looked a hell of a lot worse in his last outing, he lucky to even win...

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While he was poor in the second half of his last fight, this had nothing to do with Urango. I thought Urango was an average fight but extremely difficult to knock down. I thought Hatton was just taking the piss outta him most of the night. It wasn't close.

i reckon hatton will win UD even though he hasn't been impressive as we are use to seeing from him. also castillo hasn't looked good at all think ricky will have to much for him on the night.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

While he was poor in the second half of his last fight, this had nothing to do with Urango. I thought Urango was an average fight but extremely difficult to knock down. I thought Hatton was just taking the piss outta him most of the night. It wasn't close.

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Apart from that bodyshot Urango delivered, no, it wasn't him that Hatton had problems with. It was Mr Guiness and Mrs Pie catching up with him, the constant bloating between fights caused the slowdown in the second half IMO. From what I've read he hasn't gone anywhere near that level of binging for this fight, so his endurance should hopefully be back for this fight. Never rule out a problem with cuts though...

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While he was poor in the second half of his last fight, this had nothing to do with Urango. I thought Urango was an average fight but extremely difficult to knock down. I thought Hatton was just taking the piss outta him most of the night. It wasn't close.

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Apart from that bodyshot Urango delivered, no, it wasn't him that Hatton had problems with. It was Mr Guiness and Mrs Pie catching up with him, the constant bloating between fights caused the slowdown in the second half IMO. From what I've read he hasn't gone anywhere near that level of binging for this fight, so his endurance should hopefully be back for this fight. Never rule out a problem with cuts though...

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Well thats why he has looked sloppy recently because he has had to much time off doing what he wants, after the Uranga fight he only had 6 weeks off, thats how it should be he needs to fight 3 times a year not once a year. Lets hope now he can stay active get the big fights and back to the old Ricky we all love in that ring.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by shza

How about this: when Hatton beat Tszyu, it was just because Tszyu was past his prime.

See? Works both ways!

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Was Tszyu coming of his two worst performances or probably his best, stopping the THEN favourite and number 1 Sharmba Mitchell ???

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You don't like it when it's turned back on you, huh? Be clear: this is EXACTLY what you're saying about Hatton. You claim that immediately after the Tszyu fight, he was on the downslide and past his prime. Similarly, call Mitchell Tszyu's peak, if you like (I strongly disagree), his fight against Ricky was post- that = he was past his prime.

I'm not even insisting on this, I'm just pointing out what a convenient argument you're making and how we can all apply it to any fighter we like so as to explain away any loss. "Well, sure, but his prime consisted of his fight against (name best fighter your favorite ever previously beat), so he lost this one because he was past his prime."

I do think this is gonna be a real gd 50/50 tear up beatween these two as both keep going forward nd i agree that who is in the best condition will have a better chance winning this fight as i can say a late stoppage in this one also i think ricky might have the strength advantage that will help him in the trenches. Nd as for a fighters prime i agree with eubank when he said that his prime wasnt over a certain amount of time it was the nights in the ring when his punch timing was perfect nd he was in gd condition nd his power felt gd aswell as a uniterupted training camp with no injurys or distarctions. I may of added a couple of bits to that but he said sumin along those lines but ive made the point im trying to make so im hoping hatton isnt on the slide nd cum fight night hell be ready for probs the toughest night of his career.

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Originally Posted by shza

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by shza

How about this: when Hatton beat Tszyu, it was just because Tszyu was past his prime.

See? Works both ways!

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Was Tszyu coming of his two worst performances or probably his best, stopping the THEN favourite and number 1 Sharmba Mitchell ???

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You don't like it when it's turned back on you, huh? Be clear: this is EXACTLY what you're saying about Hatton. You claim that immediately after the Tszyu fight, he was on the downslide and past his prime. Similarly, call Mitchell Tszyu's peak, if you like (I strongly disagree), his fight against Ricky was post- that = he was past his prime.

I'm not even insisting on this, I'm just pointing out what a convenient argument you're making and how we can all apply it to any fighter we like so as to explain away any loss. "Well, sure, but his prime consisted of his fight against (name best fighter your favorite ever previously beat), so he lost this one because he was past his prime."

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......and what you fail to realize is that I am not making excuses, I don't need to for 2 reasons:

1.) Hatton hasn't ever lost, so there is nothing to excuse him for
2.) I aint Ricky Hatton's chief of staff, I have nothing to gain from making excuses for the guy

all I have said is that his last 2 performances have been his worst 2 performances. Surely for anybody (even you!!) based on the fact that he never previously had such performances, that would indicate that he is perhaps on the sllide!!

Seriously, do you think he is as good nowas he was 2 years ago?

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by shza

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by shza

How about this: when Hatton beat Tszyu, it was just because Tszyu was past his prime.

See? Works both ways!

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Was Tszyu coming of his two worst performances or probably his best, stopping the THEN favourite and number 1 Sharmba Mitchell ???

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You don't like it when it's turned back on you, huh? Be clear: this is EXACTLY what you're saying about Hatton. You claim that immediately after the Tszyu fight, he was on the downslide and past his prime. Similarly, call Mitchell Tszyu's peak, if you like (I strongly disagree), his fight against Ricky was post- that = he was past his prime.

I'm not even insisting on this, I'm just pointing out what a convenient argument you're making and how we can all apply it to any fighter we like so as to explain away any loss. "Well, sure, but his prime consisted of his fight against (name best fighter your favorite ever previously beat), so he lost this one because he was past his prime."

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......and what you fail to realize is that I am not making excuses, I don't need to for 2 reasons:

1.) Hatton hasn't ever lost, so there is nothing to excuse him for

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It's an excuse in hand to use WHEN he does lose (e.g., to Castillo). I thought I had been clear there.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

all I have said is that his last 2 performances have been his worst 2 performances. Surely for anybody (even you!!) based on the fact that he never previously had such performances, that would indicate that he is perhaps on the sllide!!

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Perhaps, but it's hard to tell, since these guys (even though they're by no means world-beaters) are better than the guys he was fighting pre-Kostya anyway. So it cuold just mean that he's the same fighter, had a fluke victory against an "on the slide" Kostya Tszyu, and then went back to being better-than-average but not great, and looked worse because he was up against better guys. Seriously, Collazo is the second-best guy Ricky's ever shared a ring with.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Seriously, do you think he is as good nowas he was 2 years ago?

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He might be. He's just fighting better opposition and it shows.

I disagree with you both,Hatton has not looked good because of styles. Styles make fights. Think about it,a tall natural WW slick southpaw in Collazo who is a very good fighter and a bull of a man in Urango in which Hatton fought smart to safeguard his fight with JLC. We'll see the best of Hatton v JLC,trust me.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I disagree with you both,Hatton has not looked good because of styles. Styles make fights. Think about it,a tall natural WW slick southpaw in Collazo who is a very good fighter and a bull of a man in Urango in which Hatton fought smart to safeguard his fight with JLC. We'll see the best of Hatton v JLC,trust me.

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CC. Hopefully we'll see the best of both of them. This could be a total barnburner. It should be. But if they fight as poorly as they have in their last few fights, this one could--shockingly--be a snoozer/hug-fest. Here's to both of these guys stepping up.

CC back brother. It's cool, we never agree,but get along 8) I agree with you here though,both guys step up for big fights ESPECIALLY the monster Castillo,he always looks poor in tune ups. It should be a fight of the year for sure. The winner should move up to 147.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I disagree with you both,Hatton has not looked good because of styles. Styles make fights. Think about it,a tall natural WW slick southpaw in Collazo who is a very good fighter and a bull of a man in Urango in which Hatton fought smart to safeguard his fight with JLC. We'll see the best of Hatton v JLC,trust me.

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CC. Hopefully we'll see the best of both of them. This could be a total barnburner. It should be. But if they fight as poorly as they have in their last few fights, this one could--shockingly--be a snoozer/hug-fest. Here's to both of these guys stepping up.

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If you replace "could" with "should" then I reckon this one ought to be a total barnburner. I agree that Hatton's recent performances have not been enough to maintain the P4P ranking he has had, so, on current evidence he could be on the slide. However, as he has said himself, he struggled with two southpaws, and it might just be that he can't fathom how to fight southpaws. Also, I'm sure Billy Graham will have been working on his stamina big time to try and improve him for the championship round, where he wasn't where he had been in previious fights. Also, I hope that him not ballooning in weight could make a difference. All in all, I want both fighters to be at their best, because when they are...it's a guaranteed stunning fight.

8) Im really swaying towards Castillo's side on this one just behind his body attack I think besides how hes looked lately he will be very ready for this fight. Saying that Hatton has a fast pace and seems to be able to rise to the occasion. I think its time to give Hatton some credit now in the US. 8)

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Originally Posted by shza

How about this: when Hatton beat Tszyu, it was just because Tszyu was past his prime.

See? Works both ways!

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Was Tszyu coming of his two worst performances or probably his best, stopping the THEN favourite and number 1 Sharmba Mitchell ???

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You don't like it when it's turned back on you, huh? Be clear: this is EXACTLY what you're saying about Hatton. You claim that immediately after the Tszyu fight, he was on the downslide and past his prime. Similarly, call Mitchell Tszyu's peak, if you like (I strongly disagree), his fight against Ricky was post- that = he was past his prime.

I'm not even insisting on this, I'm just pointing out what a convenient argument you're making and how we can all apply it to any fighter we like so as to explain away any loss. "Well, sure, but his prime consisted of his fight against (name best fighter your favorite ever previously beat), so he lost this one because he was past his prime."

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......and what you fail to realize is that I am not making excuses, I don't need to for 2 reasons:

1.) Hatton hasn't ever lost, so there is nothing to excuse him for

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It's an excuse in hand to use WHEN he does lose (e.g., to Castillo). I thought I had been clear there.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

all I have said is that his last 2 performances have been his worst 2 performances. Surely for anybody (even you!!) based on the fact that he never previously had such performances, that would indicate that he is perhaps on the sllide!!

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Perhaps, but it's hard to tell, since these guys (even though they're by no means world-beaters) are better than the guys he was fighting pre-Kostya anyway. So it cuold just mean that he's the same fighter, had a fluke victory against an "on the slide" Kostya Tszyu, and then went back to being better-than-average but not great, and looked worse because he was up against better guys. Seriously, Collazo is the second-best guy Ricky's ever shared a ring with.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Seriously, do you think he is as good nowas he was 2 years ago?

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He might be. He's just fighting better opposition and it shows.

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I don't think Collazo or Urango are any better than Tackey, Philips or Oliveira ;)

I suppose it shows how good Hatton is he struggled with Collazo then Mosely fought him and Schooled him Hatton faded badly down the stretch against Urango.Maussa was limited he only became champ by throwing some wild punches and ko'd Harris you would have thought a man who had just beaten Tyszu would have taken Maussa apart but he made hard work of that

Didn't Collazo fracture his hand against Mosley very early? Hatton Dominated Urango by the way. Oh well, roll on June so that at least a fraction of the hate evaporates until somebody puts forward that Castillo was a rubbish fighter anyhow.

So does anyone know of a live stream to watch this fight?

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So does anyone know of a live stream to watch this fight?

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All these new members want live stream then leave forum after >:mad

Fuck em all!

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Originally Posted by Memphis

F*** em all!

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Oh come on, can't we all just pretend we have no idea where these streams are, then post em in the hidden board, for members with over 1000 posts?

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F*** em all!

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Oh come on, can't we all just pretend we have no idea where these streams are, then post em in the hidden board, for members with over 1000 posts?

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We also have a calendar section section. :angel:

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F*** em all!

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Oh come on, can't we all just pretend we have no idea where these streams are, then post em in the hidden board, for members with over 1000 posts?

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We also have a calendar section section. :angel:

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Shhhh!

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Originally Posted by Memphis

Fuck em all!

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Surprisingly that was very well said

8) I dont even no what to think about that fight! I no Hatton handed it all to Castillo and quick. Hay he has his props from my end no doubt. If a fight with Mayweather hay Hatton has just a good a chance to win I say now! All luck to you Ricky Hatton! Ricky has proved way more than many others do and hes done it! 8)

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8) I dont even no what to think about that fight! I no Hatton handed it all to Castillo and quick. Hay he has his props from my end no doubt. If a fight with Mayweather hay Hatton has just a good a chance to win I say now! All luck to you Ricky Hatton! Ricky has proved way more than many others do and hes done it! 8)

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I'm stunned

CC The Rack 8)

8) Right at back you Big H cc 8)