Re: Do you guys Agree with Max Kellerman
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Mosley would of beat Tito bad.
Doubt it very much. What makes you say this?
Mously did better than Tito against DLH and Winky but DLH fought a completely different fight against Mously because he was not afraid of him so much and Winky's style was perfect for a straight puncher like Tito.
Bottom line is Moulsy is WAY more hittable than Winky and if he couldn't take Forrest's shots what makes you think he could take Tito's shots ???
Re: Do you guys Agree with Max Kellerman
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Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
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I really disagree with the Vargas comments. The guy has lost to only the 3 top fighters in his era. It puts him in the same category as Hearns. He lost to Hagler, and SRL but he's still a damn good fighter. Vargas beat Winky, but lost to ODH,Tito,Mosley. How does that make him a bad fighter? He fought the best in his time frame and so what he lost some. I can't stand it when a fighter becomes crap when they lose. The guy was a very very solid fighter. And his losses to the best guys in his division don't change that at all.
Vargas in the same category as Hearns? Hearns beat Pipino Cueves to win his first title. 11 defenses for Cueves to that point, Hearns beat Wilfred Benitez for his second title.. one loss for Benitez to that point and that was to Sugar Ray Leonard. Hearns was the only man to knock out Duran to that point. And Hearns outboxed Virgil Hill at Lightheavyweight. Virgil was undefeated with 10 defenses ... That was Tommy's 6th world title . Hearns did not lose all his big fights. Vargas did. I do not think I was unfair to Vargas. Tommy is 4-2-1 against the Hall of famers ...Can you say that for Vargas? I respect you defense of him, but the numbers are not in favor of him being like Tommy. Tommy lost his 2 biggest fights but won the rest.. That is the difference, he did beat the other 4 legends he fought. Out of the 6 guys he fought.
I did say category, not on equal footing. I don't think that Vargas is as good a fighter as Hearns, but he is in the same category in that he fought the best and gave good showings. He's the last guy to beat Winky, and some people say he was winning against Mosley (not me), and some even say that he would have put Tito away if not for Tito's low blows. So if you consider those factors he's got a pretty solid resume.
I am not a big fan of the guy, but I have a lot of respect for him. He's a tough sob and people discrediting him over his losses is ridiculous. In addition if he didn't have a severe back injury the outcome of some of those fights may have been different. Anyway, he doesn't deserve the "never was" label. He was a solid fighter and beating him was a solid accomplishment.
Re: Do you guys Agree with Max Kellerman
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Mosley would of beat Tito bad.
Doubt it very much. What makes you say this?
Mously did better than Tito against DLH and Winky but DLH fought a completely different fight against Mously because he was not afraid of him so much and Winky's style was perfect for a straight puncher like Tito.
Bottom line is Moulsy is WAY more hittable than Winky and if he couldn't take Forrest's shots what makes you think he could take Tito's shots ???
Forrest was very tall guy and hit Mosley clean in 2nd round with perfect right hand Mosley still got up and survived the fight so he did take the best Forrest had to offer Mosley is very fast imo faster than Oscar he has chin and speed to beat Tito who was very one dimensional imo.
Re: Do you guys Agree with Max Kellerman
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Mosley would of beat Tito bad.
Doubt it very much. What makes you say this?
Mously did better than Tito against DLH and Winky but DLH fought a completely different fight against Mously because he was not afraid of him so much and Winky's style was perfect for a straight puncher like Tito.
Bottom line is Moulsy is WAY more hittable than Winky and if he couldn't take Forrest's shots what makes you think he could take Tito's shots ???
Forrest was very tall guy and hit Mosley clean in 2nd round with perfect right hand Mosley still got up and survived the fight so he did take the best Forrest had to offer Mosley is very fast imo faster than Oscar he has chin and speed to beat Tito who was very one dimensional imo.
In addition Mosley is hittable because he's an offensive fighter. He's not afraid to get hit and he is focused on landing punches not avoiding them. He doesn't give up his chin and allow the guy to tee off on him. I personally think Mosley would beat Tito. It would be exciting and Mosley hits very hard as well. It would have been an action packed fight and I would think Mosley wins a close decision.
Re: Do you guys Agree with Max Kellerman
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Mosley would of beat Tito bad.
Doubt it very much. What makes you say this?
Mously did better than Tito against DLH and Winky but DLH fought a completely different fight against Mously because he was not afraid of him so much and Winky's style was perfect for a straight puncher like Tito.
Bottom line is Moulsy is WAY more hittable than Winky and if he couldn't take Forrest's shots what makes you think he could take Tito's shots ???
Forrest was very tall guy and hit Mosley clean in 2nd round with perfect right hand Mosley still got up and survived the fight so he did take the best Forrest had to offer Mosley is very fast imo faster than Oscar he has chin and speed to beat Tito who was very one dimensional imo.
In addition Mosley is hittable because he's an offensive fighter. He's not afraid to get hit and he is focused on landing punches not avoiding them. He doesn't give up his chin and allow the guy to tee off on him. I personally think Mosley would beat Tito. It would be exciting and Mosley hits very hard as well. It would have been an action packed fight and I would think Mosley wins a close decision.
There is one thing I agree it would be a great fight. This is the one fight I would have loved to have seen. It is too bad it never happend. Mously's speed would have given Tito trouble for sure. Most likely would drop Tito at some point. But we all know what happens when Tito is knocked down... I think at one point Tito's power would take effect more than Mously's power. It would end in a late KO or UD for Tito after several knockdowns. Like I said above, similar to the fight with Reed.
Re: Do you guys Agree with Max Kellerman
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Mosley would of beat Tito bad.
Doubt it very much. What makes you say this?
Mously did better than Tito against DLH and Winky but DLH fought a completely different fight against Mously because he was not afraid of him so much and Winky's style was perfect for a straight puncher like Tito.
Bottom line is Moulsy is WAY more hittable than Winky and if he couldn't take Forrest's shots what makes you think he could take Tito's shots ???
Forrest was very tall guy and hit Mosley clean in 2nd round with perfect right hand Mosley still got up and survived the fight so he did take the best Forrest had to offer Mosley is very fast imo faster than Oscar he has chin and speed to beat Tito who was very one dimensional imo.
In addition Mosley is hittable because he's an offensive fighter. He's not afraid to get hit and he is focused on landing punches not avoiding them. He doesn't give up his chin and allow the guy to tee off on him. I personally think Mosley would beat Tito. It would be exciting and Mosley hits very hard as well. It would have been an action packed fight and I would think Mosley wins a close decision.
There is one thing I agree it would be a great fight. This is the one fight I would have loved to have seen. It is too bad it never happend. Mously's speed would have given Tito trouble for sure. Most likely would drop Tito at some point. But we all know what happens when Tito is knocked down... I think at one point Tito's power would take effect more than Mously's power. It would end in a late KO or UD for Tito after several knockdowns. Like I said above, similar to the fight with Reed.
It's too bad Mosley agreed to fight Winky. He could have taken an easy tuneup and then fought Tito. Tito was in the crowd at that fight and they were going to fight if Mosley won. I really respect Mosley just for doing that and not taking the easy fight to preserve his big payday. He is more concerned with fighting the best than money. Mosley fought Winky again, then Tito fought Mayorga, then Winky and Tito. Damn it.....
Re: Do you guys Agree with Max Kellerman
I guess technically, he beat Quartey even though i had Ike winning a decision....and Others can say the same thing with the tito fight...So i'm going with no i don't agree with Max...And Vargas was in his prime, but he was also was damaged goods...All in all I don't agree with Max, but i can see why said such a statement..
One could argue as Vargas and Quartey not being top fighters; however, if Vargas would've made better business decisions and didn't fight big threats so early in his career there could be a different label put on Vargas...Ike i can't defend as much...But Vargas was a top fighter who was later dropped in the rankings after being broken...ie Tito - which i will always question the validity of those hands....(we'll leave that alone - dead horse)
Re: Do you guys Agree with Max Kellerman
Mosley's career is interesting. He beat Oscar yet then he lost to Forrest and Wright I think twice each.
Re: Do you guys Agree with Max Kellerman
Maxie needs to continue making rap videos.
(Eeew! Yuck!)
