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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by boozeboxer
Winky Wright beat Jermain Taylor. Everyone knows that. Winky Wright should be the champ. But it doesn't matter. Taylor is rapidly losing respect with the real boxing world IN ADDITION to completely alienating the casual boxing fan.
Jermain Taylor is an idiot. You can beat a champion by running. Just like Mayweather beat Baldomir. I don't understand where he comes up with this stuff. Must make him feel better after the biggest suckfest since Liakhovich/Briggs.
Disagree alot had Taylor winning it was very close fight but in reality im sick of Taylors close decisions like i said in the another thread he is lucky he isn't 0-4 i just wish Taylor would beat someone bit more convincing i gave him break against Hopkins and Winky because they are one of the best of modern era but fact of the matter is most people and most of boxing world were saying Taylor would beat Spinks bad and really the bigger and stronger man should of won alot more convincing i give him no credit getting gift against Spinks its just getting bad to watch with all these dull and controversial decisions Taylor keeps getting into.
I agree with Ice Cold. I has Spinks win on Saturday, but I had it 116-114 for Taylor against Winky...I really wanted Winky to win tho.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by SEB
you know what I'm just so happy with this fight...I just saw one thing one big thing
CALZAGHE IS GOING TO MASSACRE TAYLOR :-)
go one and sadclick me :-)
I had to :coolclick: you. Least it became abundantly clear why Calzaghe wants this fight. To be honest though, after JT's last few displays, even if JC wins I don't think he'll get the credit because of how bad JT has looked recently. JC should go cement the legacy by fighting the guy who's undefeated in his own division.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Taylor did NOT beat Spinks...and Spinks did NOT beat Taylor..... Daxx
I have to agree with you, Mr. Kahn.
That was a Mexican standoff if I've ever seen one. Spinks did what everone expected him to do and Taylor embarrassed himself.
Who cares if you look bad, Jermaine?! Just go apey on his a** and end the fight!!!!!
You know I am truly hoping that Taylor turns out to be one of those guys who fights at his opponents level??...At least there would be an excuse for these performences....
Judges decision or not...Corey Spinks is the real Winner of this whole deal justy due to the fact everyone (Including myself) thought this was a lamb on his way to sacrifice.....
I am impressed he went and did his thing against a bigger man...
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
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Originally Posted by GAME
I wanted Taylor to win but in reality Spinks schooled him . He did something Hopkins and Winky couldnt .
Props to Cory
He fought a good fight but he lost. Taylor is a guy who fights to the level of the guys he fights. If the guy is good he will show his talent. I think Pavlik will make things easy for Taylor to shine. Effective aggressiveness is how you win moving forward, and with boxing you have to land effective counters and control the action and not get hit. Cory did not do that. Cory fought a busy fight and was quicker with shorter punches but he did not land a solid punch.
How can you win a fight like that?
It was teh same way Floyd beat Oscar .
Spinks stuck to his gameplan and fought his fight .Taylor didnt . You could see at the end the look on both fighters faces , they knew the score and so did Manny Stewart
no it was not the same way Floyd beat Oscar. Look at punchstats. FLoyd was landing more effective punches. Big difference. Taylor controlled the action.. So did Floyd. Big difference
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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I voted Taylor :-\
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
FOUUUCK! 50% ???
Is that it?! :-\
And theres people here who think Calzaghe needs to fight this clown :P
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
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Originally Posted by GAME
I wanted Taylor to win but in reality Spinks schooled him . He did something Hopkins and Winky couldnt .
Props to Cory
He fought a good fight but he lost. Taylor is a guy who fights to the level of the guys he fights. If the guy is good he will show his talent. I think Pavlik will make things easy for Taylor to shine. Effective aggressiveness is how you win moving forward, and with boxing you have to land effective counters and control the action and not get hit. Cory did not do that. Cory fought a busy fight and was quicker with shorter punches but he did not land a solid punch.
How can you win a fight like that?
It was teh same way Floyd beat Oscar .
Spinks stuck to his gameplan and fought his fight .Taylor didnt . You could see at the end the look on both fighters faces , they knew the score and so did Manny Stewart
no it was not the same way Floyd beat Oscar. Look at punchstats. FLoyd was landing more effective punches. Big difference. Taylor controlled the action.. So did Floyd. Big difference
Totally disagree, Taylor didn't control a damn thing. Look at his punch stats. I can't remember him throwing anything effective. Like I've said in other posts. How the hell does Taylor expect to win without throwing.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
i'm shocked that so many people feel like spinks won when basicly everyone execpt me counted spinks out
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
i'm downloading the fight right now. i will let you know what i think after i've seen it ;)
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
I thought Taylor won 116-112. It was a horrible, horrible fight. And I don't know how anyone can compare Spinks' performance to Floyd's against Oscar. Floyd landed close to 50% of his punches. Spinks landed about 15%. Taylor obviously looked terrible too. He knew what to expect, and yet he still came in there with absolutely no ability to cut off the ring. I thought Oscar looked bad against Floyd, but at least he knew how to get Floyd into a corner (before missing with a flurry). In the end, they seemed to land about the same number of shots, but Taylor was the only one that landed anything at all meaningful (though he didn't do it much). Manny was giving perfect advice, and Taylor simply was not following it.
I also want to say that, while I congratulate Pavlik, and far more enjoyed that fight than the "main event," I thought Pavlik and Miranda both looked incredibly sloppy, and I think Taylor beats Pavlik easily. But I'd rather see Taylor-Calzaghe, which Calzaghe wins.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
I thought Spinks won the fight.
And those punchstats were bogus but everyone says Spinks wasn't active enough to win. Well if you look at the punchstats the only thing I agree with is that Spinks threw a lot more punches then Taylor did and I think he landed a lot more too. If anyone was active the entire fight it was Spinks. He was the one who was throwing on the inside while Taylor was stalking and stalking and looking for one shot.
Spinks fought his style and took Taylor's title with his own style.
That whole "take" the title from a champion is a misconception. Spinks took the title from Taylor fighting "his" style and "his" gameplan, not Taylors.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
I thought Taylor won 116-112. It was a horrible, horrible fight. And I don't know how anyone can compare Spinks' performance to Floyd's against Oscar. Floyd landed close to 50% of his punches. Spinks landed about 15%. Shza
Rza, Gza, and the BoxingGoriza think you deserve a Cool Click!
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
I thought Taylor won 116-112. It was a horrible, horrible fight. And I don't know how anyone can compare Spinks' performance to Floyd's against Oscar. Floyd landed close to 50% of his punches. Spinks landed about 15%. Shza
Rza, Gza, and the BoxingGoriza think you deserve a Cool Click!
Watching that fight with your own eyes and not relying on punchstats I saw Spinks outlanding Taylor.
Anyway here's the scorecard
(Taylor's to the left, Spinks is to the right)
http://www.fightnews.com/taylor_spinks_scorecard.gif
And the most underappreciated thing was how Spinks countered Jermains left hand by sneaking his shots under it and jabbing him in the face like this
http://boxing-pics.com/taylor_spinks/taylor013.jpg
I thought Spinks clearly won that fight honestly.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
This fight was garbage. I gave the edge to Taylor. One guy wanted to play tag, and the other didn't want to do anything. Although Spinks outworked Taylor, JT landed the more meaningful blows. I wouldn't have been dissappointed with a draw, or a loss for both.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
This fight was garbage. I gave the edge to Taylor. One guy wanted to play tag, and the other didn't want to do anything. Although Spinks outworked Taylor, JT landed the more meaningful blows. I wouldn't have been dissappointed with a draw, or a loss for both.
By meaningful do you mean the "one shot that wins a round even though you lost the first 2:30 of it" shots that you shouldn't get unless you are the champ ???
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
This fight was garbage. I gave the edge to Taylor. One guy wanted to play tag, and the other didn't want to do anything. Although Spinks outworked Taylor, JT landed the more meaningful blows. I wouldn't have been dissappointed with a draw, or a loss for both.
By meaningful do you mean the "one shot that wins a round even though you lost the first 2:30 of it" shots that you shouldn't get unless you are the champ ???
Something like that, LOL. Taylor could have won that fight easily, IMO, If he did anything. It's almost like he wanted to lose. WTF is his problem? Like I said, a draw wouldn't have been out of the question, at all. Hell, if Spinks won, it wouldn't have suprised me. Neither guy WANTED the fight, IMO.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
I had Taylor ahead by 1 going into the final round, and I thought the final round went pretty clearly to Jermaine. I must admit, I was pulling hard by the end of the fight for Cory to pull off the upset. The more I see Taylor, the more I think that he is crap. He seems like a nice enough guy, and I understood why he took this fight, but he's going to get sparked by either Joe C or Kelly P.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
This fight was garbage. I gave the edge to Taylor. One guy wanted to play tag, and the other didn't want to do anything. Although Spinks outworked Taylor, JT landed the more meaningful blows. I wouldn't have been dissappointed with a draw, or a loss for both.
That's what i was wishing for. A big fat loss for both of these posers.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by sexydarin
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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
This fight was garbage. I gave the edge to Taylor. One guy wanted to play tag, and the other didn't want to do anything. Although Spinks outworked Taylor, JT landed the more meaningful blows. I wouldn't have been dissappointed with a draw, or a loss for both.
That's what i was wishing for. A big fat loss for both of these posers.
Spinks moved up after two fights at 154 to fight the Undisputed Middleweight champ when it isn't even his weight class and Jermain Taylor is in his prime!! And he outboxed him and won that fight. He fought his fight and kept Jermain off balance all night.
What more could you want ???
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
This fight was garbage. I gave the edge to Taylor. One guy wanted to play tag, and the other didn't want to do anything. Although Spinks outworked Taylor, JT landed the more meaningful blows. I wouldn't have been dissappointed with a draw, or a loss for both.
By meaningful do you mean the "one shot that wins a round even though you lost the first 2:30 of it" shots that you shouldn't get unless you are the champ ???
You are spot on with your assessment Majesty .
If Spinks wasnt jabbing under Taylors jab he was countering over it . He was fighting his fight and effectivley shutting down the champion . Spinks was a big winner .
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
Lets be honest here though,the fight wasn't a robbery for Taylor. And having Spinks as the 160 pound champ would be strange. It could be difficult to seertively say he was the best 160 pounder. He did well,I like his skills but he should stay at 154. As for JT,make the fight with JC,let JC show his skills to the world again,let him show B Hop and Winky how it is done. ;) ;D
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Lets be honest here though,the fight wasn't a robbery for Taylor. And having Spinks as the 160 pound champ would be strange. It could be difficult to seertively say he was the best 160 pounder. He did well,I like his skills but he should stay at 154. As for JT,make the fight with JC,let JC show his skills to the world again,let him show B Hop and Winky how it is done. ;) ;D
While I agree that it would have been strange to see Spinks as middleweight champ, it doesn't matter what size he is or what potential fight it could make for JT, the truth of it is that I'm ashamed to see JT still have his titles when for me, he was clearly outboxed and not bothered enough to care.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
Jermain said it right in the interview..
You cant win a title that way, You cant beat the champ by running..
People have to remember.. He may have made jermain look bad all night..But what was he doing..
He should have pressed the issue and taken the title away for taylor..
He didnt emphasize his performance enough atall..
You cant just win, He wasnt the champ ..He should have fought the right fight
I was disapointed in both guys.. Jermain for not wanting to fight enough..
And Spinks for running.. I always knew he was a great boxer, has great speed,counter punching..
He has always boxed.. But he still fought when he was in with the likes of mayorga and judah..
Last night he didnt fight and box..He ran and boxed
I don't agree with 'having to take the title off the champ.' You just have to beat him.....outscore him...generally just win the fight. If neither of these was the champion i reckon the generally consensus would be that Spinks won the fight.
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Also...you can't argue with the after match reactions. Spinks nearly shit himself with excitement because he'd won, as did his corner, and JT didn't even raise his arms. He said a prayer for fucks sake...he knew full well he needed it to get a win. I was pretty disgusted with the decision on Saturday, for me Taylor did nothing worthy of a win.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by ono
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
Jermain said it right in the interview..
You cant win a title that way, You cant beat the champ by running..
People have to remember.. He may have made jermain look bad all night..But what was he doing..
He should have pressed the issue and taken the title away for taylor..
He didnt emphasize his performance enough atall..
You cant just win, He wasnt the champ ..He should have fought the right fight
I was disapointed in both guys.. Jermain for not wanting to fight enough..
And Spinks for running.. I always knew he was a great boxer, has great speed,counter punching..
He has always boxed.. But he still fought when he was in with the likes of mayorga and judah..
Last night he didnt fight and box..He ran and boxed
I don't agree with 'having to take the title off the champ.' You just have to beat him.....outscore him...generally just win the fight. If neither of these was the champion i reckon the generally consensus would be that Spinks won the fight.
Im really suprised Taylor thinks he has a right to comment on Spinks performance.
If anything, they should be men and rematch.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
Wow never seen a poll so close 41 for Spinks 40 for Taylor.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Im really suprised Taylor thinks he has a right to comment on Spinks performance.
If anything, they should be men and rematch.
You're joking right? How the hell are they gunna sell this to the public again? The fight was one of the most boring fights I've ever seen. It was as bad, if not worse than Williams vs. Audley 1. Nobody will care to watch this again.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Im really suprised Taylor thinks he has a right to comment on Spinks performance.
If anything, they should be men and rematch.
You're joking right? How the hell are they gunna sell this to the public again? The fight was one of the most boring fights I've ever seen. It was as bad, if not worse than Williams vs. Audley 1. Nobody will care to watch this again.
Well your right. My argument is null and void as soon as the word 'sell' is involved.
Kinda like how is Taylor supposed to 'sell' himslef as the champion when the judging officials are all at 6's n 7's with his performance fight after fight ???
Im not asking your directly, im just saying ;)
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
If anything, they should be men and rematch.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
If anything, they should be men and rematch.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
It would smash PPV records ;D
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
If anything, they should be men and rematch.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
It would smash PPV records ;D
That's true: lowest selling PPV event of all-time.
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You know what. Iv just tottaly freaked myself the fwock out :o
I cant belive one judge honestly thought that Spinks won 9 rounds against Jermain Taylor and that 50% of us agree!!!!
JT is must be getting worse man! I mean which type of opponent IS he supposed to look good against ???
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
I NO ONE THING WHO REALLY WON WELL IT WAS NOT BOXING FANS I GOT UP OUT OF MY BED AT 2.30am WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad
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Originally Posted by Counter
I NO ONE THING WHO REALLY WON WELL IT WAS NOT BOXING FANS I GOT UP OUT OF MY BED AT 2.30am WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad
We got Kelly - Pavlik which was the best fight of the year . That was worth getting up 4
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by Counter
I NO ONE THING WHO REALLY WON WELL IT WAS NOT BOXING FANS I GOT UP OUT OF MY BED AT 2.30am WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad
We got Kelly - Pavlik which was the best fight of the year . That was worth getting up 4
Yeh that was the only decent showing on the card. It was a really good fight. Not quite as good as Earl v Katsidis but stil really really good.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by ono
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by Counter
I NO ONE THING WHO REALLY WON WELL IT WAS NOT BOXING FANS I GOT UP OUT OF MY BED AT 2.30am WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad
We got Kelly - Pavlik which was the best fight of the year . That was worth getting up 4
Yeh that was the only decent showing on the card. It was a really good fight. Not quite as good as Earl v Katsidis but stil really really good.
Yeah that was another gooden aswel . So was Marquez - Vasquez and Chico - Clottey . Weve had some decent scraps this year so far . Lets hope the next half year is as good as the first half
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
I think it should have been a no decision, neither guy even boxed! they walked around the ring and occassionally punched the air! but seriously a draw would have been the most appropriate outcome. Taylor doesnt deserve the W, Spinks doesnt deserve the W, and Spinks also doesnt deserve to dethrone the champ and return to Tha Lou with the belts.
However I think Taylor-Pavlik would be fireworks, possible FOTY. Taylor fights in his opponents rythm, and would respond to Pavlik's pressure. Look at the Wright fight, when Winky pressured, Taylor came back with pressure of his own, and intensity.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
it just seem like taylor block most of spinks punches.
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Re: Cory Spinks vs Jermain Taylor Who Really Won Come And Vote
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
Jermain said it right in the interview..
You cant win a title that way, You cant beat the champ by running..
People have to remember.. He may have made jermain look bad all night..But what was he doing..
He should have pressed the issue and taken the title away for taylor..
He didnt emphasize his performance enough atall..
You cant just win, He wasnt the champ ..He should have fought the right fight
I was disapointed in both guys.. Jermain for not wanting to fight enough..
And Spinks for running.. I always knew he was a great boxer, has great speed,counter punching..
He has always boxed.. But he still fought when he was in with the likes of mayorga and judah..
Last night he didnt fight and box..He ran and boxed
No. Spinks ran like a bitch against Mayorga and stood and traded a little bit more with Judah who was the smaller man coming up. Judah AND Mayorga pushed the fight and did much more than Taylor did against Spinks and yet people think they lost...WTF?! And WTF is up with half of you guys voting for Spinks?! Are you nuts? He won some rounds yes, and Taylor didn't do shat either, but come on. He did not deserve to win the MW championship by running and doing nothing.
