Re: I still say Taylor beats Pavlik
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I still think Taylor beats him... Not way Miranda would catch Taylor with the punches he hit Pavlik with. I liked Pavlik's style, but he seemed to be physically limited, and pretty slow.
how is pavlik physically limited. he wins by chin alone. tell me who would be able to stand up while getting hit by miranda like pavlik did? i dont even think taylor would have stayed up.
Miranda didn't hit Pavlik very hard in that fight. I didn't see Miranda land a single punch that he threw with more than 50% power. He only threw a couple bombs; for the most part, his power looked sapped (in large part due to the fact that he was going backwards and taking punishment from Pavlik the whole fight). I don't know if I'd call Pavlik "physically limited" necessarily, but he's undoubtedly far less athletic and technically skilled than Taylor. He just hits hard and has heart--which may be enough to get it done. But I doubt it. He's a B/B+ fighter.
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taylor got buckled by spinks in the first round too...
no he didn't. he got moved because he was off-balance. which is a problem--but not a chin problem.
I say Taylor was off balane as well. But I disagree that Maranda didn't hit Pavlik hard a few times... I just think Miranda doesn't hit incredibly hard, and he throws bad punches. Miranda didn't land all that much and Pavlik good technical skills, but key in Taylor's speed and its another ball game, also Taylor's power is very underrated. He may not KO guys, but like Hopkins he hits hard and wears an opponent down if he hits them enough.
Re: I still say Taylor beats Pavlik
aggressive way more aggresive than Taylor. I have never scene Kelly pushed back by a smaller guy like Ouma and Winky.Kelly and Taylor both faced Grady Brewer the contender champion back in the early parts of their career. Kelly Pavlik of course knocked him out. Taylor won in a close decision. It would be interesting to see.Taylor has never faced a dog a with a harder bite than Pavlik.
Re: I still say Taylor beats Pavlik
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I still think Taylor beats him... Not way Miranda would catch Taylor with the punches he hit Pavlik with. I liked Pavlik's style, but he seemed to be physically limited, and pretty slow.
how is pavlik physically limited. he wins by chin alone. tell me who would be able to stand up while getting hit by miranda like pavlik did? i dont even think taylor would have stayed up.
Miranda didn't hit Pavlik very hard in that fight. I didn't see Miranda land a single punch that he threw with more than 50% power. He only threw a couple bombs; for the most part, his power looked sapped (in large part due to the fact that he was going backwards and taking punishment from Pavlik the whole fight). I don't know if I'd call Pavlik "physically limited" necessarily, but he's undoubtedly far less athletic and technically skilled than Taylor. He just hits hard and has heart--which may be enough to get it done. But I doubt it. He's a B/B+ fighter.
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Originally Posted by josef4334
taylor got buckled by spinks in the first round too...
no he didn't. he got moved because he was off-balance. which is a problem--but not a chin problem.
I say Taylor was off balane as well. But I disagree that Maranda didn't hit Pavlik hard a few times... I just think Miranda doesn't hit incredibly hard, and he throws bad punches. Miranda didn't land all that much and Pavlik good technical skills, but key in Taylor's speed and its another ball game, also Taylor's power is very underrated. He may not KO guys, but like Hopkins he hits hard and wears an opponent down if he hits them enough.
I mostly agree with you, but speed is only good if you use it, and his power will only matter if he throws enough to make it matter. I think we both agree that Taylor doesn't have 1 punch KO power, and if Pavlik's power has the potential to wear him down and make him not want throw power shots.
