Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds...Cotto vs Judah.

comin over from glasgow scotland for this one ! cant wait to see cotto step up another gear and stop zab, but i tell you ,,,zab will be sooo dangerous in the early stages, i wouldnt be surprised to see cotto down early, zab must know that this is the last chance saloon. hail hail!

This fight isn't PPV is it????

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

This fight isn't PPV is it????

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it shouldn't be PPV but it is.

I feel this fight will end by TKO. Who wins??? Any of them have the power to get that KO. No doubt I want Cotto to KO Judah, but I can not underestimate Judah's speed and power, specially in the first half of the fight, where I believe he will be more dangerous for Cotto.

This is a fight where I will be sure to have all beers and snacks close before it starts because I will not be surprised with an early KO (and may be first round), I don't want to live the same story as Tyson-Spinks. I think Judah will try to gain respect since the beginning trying to overwhelm Cotto. However, when Judah make this, he tends to commit lot of mistakes and get off balance. I feel that it will be key for Cotto not to fall in this trap and remain calm using his counter attack to the body and head. I think that Cotto's remaining calm is key for his victory. But, if he just try to exchange wild punches with Judah he is in danger on being TKO early. If the fight go to the distance Cotto should win by late TKO.

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Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch

I feel this fight will end by TKO. Who wins??? Any of them have the power to get that KO. No doubt I want Cotto to KO Judah, but I can not underestimate Judah's speed and power, specially in the first half of the fight, where I believe he will be more dangerous for Cotto.

This is a fight where I will be sure to have all beers and snacks close before it starts because I will not be surprised with an early KO (and may be first round), I don't want to live the same story as Tyson-Spinks. I think Judah will try to gain respect since the beginning trying to overwhelm Cotto. However, when Judah make this, he tends to commit lot of mistakes and get off balance. I feel that it will be key for Cotto not to fall in this trap and remain calm using his counter attack to the body and head. I think that Cotto's remaining calm is key for his victory. But, if he just try to exchange wild punches with Judah he is in danger on being TKO early. If the fight go to the distance Cotto should win by late TKO.

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I completely agree with you. Judah's dangerous early in the fight. Judah is gonna come out early very active trying to KO Cotto and try to control the fight early. I'm sure Cotto's camp is aware of that and that is why I believe Cotto will start the fight slow(very defensive). Still landing his punches here and there, but not enough to please the judges. However, I feel that Judah will slow down in the middle rounds and Cotto begins to find his spots. And once Cotto begins to land that left hook to the body....Judah's night will come to an end earlier than expected. We have to remember, Cotto is stronger and hits harder in 147 than any other weight class he's ever been in. He is very accurate w/ his punches as well. I like Judah as a fighter but "IT'S COTTO'S TIME TO SHINE"

Hide the kids, get out the popcorn, I can't wait for this fight.

My first REAL excitement since Barrera Marquez fight.

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Hide the kids, get out the popcorn, I can't wait for this fight.

My first REAL excitement since Barrera Marquez fight.

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Me too man, me too... Between this fight and the Hatton - Castillo fight, I can't wait. I'm probably more excited about these two fights than PBF-ODH... sacrilege I know.

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Hide the kids, get out the popcorn, I can't wait for this fight.

My first REAL excitement since Barrera Marquez fight.

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Me too man, me too... Between this fight and the Hatton - Castillo fight, I can't wait. I'm probably more excited about these two fights than PBF-ODH... sacrilege I know.

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Naw man, your just a true boxing fan. cc

I can't wait. Just a week and a half before all you Judah fans chomp on those sour little words. Cotto is my bwoy.

I remember when I first heard this fight was in the pipeline, and I was surprised to hear so many people think Zab would win. I don't even think it'll be close. My money is on Cotto by round 3.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

I can't wait. Just a week and a half before all you Judah fans chomp on those sour little words. Cotto is my bwoy.

I remember when I first heard this fight was in the pipeline, and I was surprised to hear so many people think Zab would win. I don't even think it'll be close. My money is on Cotto by round 3.

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I hope you're right, I'm cheering for Cotto but in my mind Zab, with his speed and power, has got a VERY good chance of stopping of UD'ing him. It's a true pick 'em fight for me, 50/50. I'd say it could go either way, but I hope Cotto destroys Judah.

I'm becoming more and more confident that Cotto can win this. Just a gut instinct. As a huge Cotto fan,I admit,it would be hugely dissappointing if Cotto were not to win.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I'm becoming more and more confident that Cotto can win this. Just a gut instinct. As a huge Cotto fan,I admit,it would be hugely dissappointing if Cotto were not to win.

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:coolclick: on all fronts. Totally agree. I would be disgusted myself.

I agree Gamo. I picked him all along, now with Zab's antics, you have to call his focus into question AGAIN, it's all set up for Cotto to have a HUGE night. I really think he is going to beat Zab from pillar to post and I'm beginning to think the fight goes more the way of the Quintana bout rather then the Malignaggi way.

Cotto is just the better fighter, and I think the style matchup is in Cotto's favor not Zab's.

I think Cotto will break Judah down, but by no means do I think this will be a walk in the park. I wouldn't be surprised to see Cotto floored. I just think Cotto will get back up & go back to work. I don't think Judah will be able to stand up to Cotto's onslaught as it gets into the later rounds

Just one more look at Zab from the fists of Costya Tyzu. I think that's food for thought and Cotto has become stronger at this weight. P.S. Ever since the way he acted in that fight I just mentioned, I think he'll crack again somewhere around the seventh round.

Not completely sold on Cotto...and he is a bit chinny...but history has proven that Zab cannot perform on the big stage. When you take into account Zab's mental weaknesses, his glass jaw, and the way he fades in latter rounds...it really is hard to bet for him. No question he has the physical ability and quickness to beat Cotto...but that's never been the issue with Judah. He just is a very weak fighter mentally. Good chance he can catch Cotto early...but much better chance of him getting caught or broken down by Cotto in the later rounds.

See here's one thing that really gets me.

Hatton has been criticised for winning his last 3 fights with poor performances. Zab has not been good for a while yet people still believe in him. Zab hasn't had a win in his last 3!

I don't get it really. Tszyu disposed of Zab with a powerful punch. Cotto can bang and bully, I don't think Zab can handle it and I see him coming out of this with no win in 4, where surely people will question if he is unable to hang with the big boys anymore.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

See here's one thing that really gets me.

Hatton has been criticised for winning his last 3 fights with poor performances. Zab has not been good for a while yet people still believe in him. Zab hasn't had a win in his last 3!

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Compare who Judah has fought in his career to who Hatton has fought.

If not his whole career then just look at his last 3 fights.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

I don't get it really. Tszyu disposed of Zab with a powerful punch. Cotto can bang and bully, I don't think Zab can handle it and I see him coming out of this with no win in 4, where surely people will question if he is unable to hang with the big boys anymore.

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Personally...I don't like Judah...not one bit.

I'm a Cotto fan through & through & I hope that he just utterly dismantles him from start to finish.

According to boxrec, Arthur Mercante, Jr. is the referee for Cotto-Judah.

The three listed judges are Tom Schreck, John McKaie and Nelson Vázquez.

Schreck worked Bell-Mormeck I and Toney-Ruiz.
McKaie's biggest fight was Pavlik-McKart.
Vazquez is by far the most experienced. Calzaghe-Lacy, Hamed-McCullough, Trinidad-Cherifi, Cotto-Urkal, to name a few.

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Hide the kids, get out the popcorn, I can't wait for this fight.

My first REAL excitement since Barrera Marquez fight.

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Me too man, me too... Between this fight and the Hatton - Castillo fight, I can't wait. I'm probably more excited about these two fights than PBF-ODH... sacrilege I know.

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I have to agree with you man :) Cotto is a rising star and truly exciting to watch. We all know what Judah can bring to the table. This will be a fight. Let's get it on!

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

See here's one thing that really gets me.

Hatton has been criticised for winning his last 3 fights with poor performances. Zab has not been good for a while yet people still believe in him. Zab hasn't had a win in his last 3!

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Compare who Judah has fought in his career to who Hatton has fought.

If not his whole career then just look at his last 3 fights.

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I knew someone would say this. But all I'm saying is that despite his opponents, he still won, which is something Judah didn't do. I can't understand why Judah has so many supporters who believe he can pull this off against a strong, young, hungry fighter in his prime when he has failed to perform recently and has been exposed on a number of occasions.

Im going for Judah to win by stoppage i think Cotto has a few chinks in his armour i don't think he's qite as good as people think

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

See here's one thing that really gets me.

Hatton has been criticised for winning his last 3 fights with poor performances. Zab has not been good for a while yet people still believe in him. Zab hasn't had a win in his last 3!

I don't get it really. Tszyu disposed of Zab with a powerful punch. Cotto can bang and bully, I don't think Zab can handle it and I see him coming out of this with no win in 4, where surely people will question if he is unable to hang with the big boys anymore.

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I'm not sure it's a matter of "believing in him." I don't. But he has some serious skills, and if he puts it all together on fight-night against Cotto, then Cotto has a tough night.

I picked Judah UD which is an odd choice in some ways ... there are good reasons to argue against that. Judah early TKO, or Cotto later TKO or even KO ... either of those are very persuasive. Judah doesn't often "put it all together" but he does tease us with his obvious possibilities.

The fight will tell the tale.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

See here's one thing that really gets me.

Hatton has been criticised for winning his last 3 fights with poor performances. Zab has not been good for a while yet people still believe in him. Zab hasn't had a win in his last 3!

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Compare who Judah has fought in his career to who Hatton has fought.

If not his whole career then just look at his last 3 fights.

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I knew someone would say this. But all I'm saying is that despite his opponents, he still won, which is something Judah didn't do. I can't understand why Judah has so many supporters who believe he can pull this off against a strong, young, hungry fighter in his prime when he has failed to perform recently and has been exposed on a number of occasions.

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Bringing up variables about a fighter does not equate to support.

Once again...for the record...I despise Judah, but, that doesn't mean that he's not a great boxer that has a shot at pulling off an upset.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

See here's one thing that really gets me.

Hatton has been criticised for winning his last 3 fights with poor performances. Zab has not been good for a while yet people still believe in him. Zab hasn't had a win in his last 3!

I don't get it really. Tszyu disposed of Zab with a powerful punch. Cotto can bang and bully, I don't think Zab can handle it and I see him coming out of this with no win in 4, where surely people will question if he is unable to hang with the big boys anymore.

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I'm not sure it's a matter of "believing in him." I don't. But he has some serious skills, and if he puts it all together on fight-night against Cotto, then Cotto has a tough night.

I picked Judah UD which is an odd choice in some ways ... there are good reasons to argue against that. Judah early TKO, or Cotto later TKO or even KO ... either of those are very persuasive. Judah doesn't often "put it all together" but he does tease us with his obvious possibilities.

The fight will tell the tale.

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:coolclick: Very well said Nutha.

We all have to remember and see that Judah was Super Judah when he was at 140 lbs (30-1). Since He moved up to welterweight (147) his record has been 4-3.
Don't buy what Judah keeps on saying at these press conferences and these fight promos. He's making people think that Judah is going to be "Super Judah" on June 9th. Don't believe it. His only good performance against a caliber fighter @ 147 came against Spinks. Spink's style of fight favors Judah. Spink's is a boxer. He throws 1 punch and moves. I'll put my money on Judah against a boxer anytime. But only a boxer.
I honestly think this fight is going to be alot easier for Cotto than many people predict. Cotto puts constant pressure on every fighter he fights. We all know how Judah responds to pressure!!! I'm telling ya', don't go believing Judah's words "It's gonna be a massacre come June 9th". "It's gonna be an early Christmas for Miguel Cotto come June 9th." It ain't gonna be s***!! One thing I hate is fighters who talk so much smack saying they gonna do this and they gonna do that and then the fight comes and they end up running for 12 rounds and not giving the people what they said they were. Judah is all talk with no walk. And over rated at the welterweight division.

Cotto not only wins but gives him a beating like he did to Magg who also promised this and that!

Put your money on Cotto!!!!! Cotto ko's 5-7.

If you think that Judah and Malanaggi are in the same class you are terribly mistaken. I suspect a large Cotto victory. But don't rule the Judah out.

I'm not putting them both in the same class, I'm saying that they talk too much and don't live up to what they said they were gonna do. And the reason this happens to many of Cotto's opponents is because they watch Cotto's fights on tape and don't give him the respect he deserves and when they finally get in the ring.....they find out that the man is alot tougher than what they assumed! I'm sorry, but I'm counting Judah out already. This fight is a set-up fight for a Mega fight further down the road with the best for M.Cotto!!

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Originally Posted by Eli_jr24

We all have to remember and see that Judah was Super Judah when he was at 140 lbs (30-1). Since He moved up to welterweight (147) his record has been 4-3.

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You also have to remember that Judah has proven that when the chips are down & the deck is stacked against him...he has risen to the task at hand. I don't believe that Judah will ever be "Super" again...but if he can dial in on Cotto's inadaquacies...he has a shot as stopping Cotto with his power.

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Originally Posted by Eli_jr24

Don't buy what Judah keeps on saying at these press conferences and these fight promos. He's making people think that Judah is going to be "Super Judah" on June 9th. Don't believe it. His only good performance against a caliber fighter @ 147 came against Spinks. Spink's style of fight favors Judah. Spink's is a boxer. He throws 1 punch and moves. I'll put my money on Judah against a boxer anytime. But only a boxer.

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I'm not buying in to what Judah says...I never listen to him when he starts bumping his gums...I never really listen to any fighter that talks outside of Bernard Hopkins...& that's just outta fun.

Anywho, Judah is the better boxer of the two combatants. While Cotto does have devastating body work tucked into his mits...Judah is a slick & speedy boxer...in the past, any fighter that has faced Cotto with some bit of speed & accuaracey has given "we Cotto fans" some pretty valid scares.

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Originally Posted by Eli_jr24

I honestly think this fight is going to be alot easier for Cotto than many people predict. Cotto puts constant pressure on every fighter he fights. We all know how Judah responds to pressure!!!

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Totally disagree...but I hope that your'e right. I'd love to see Cotto just spark him outta the gate.

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Originally Posted by Eli_jr24

I'm telling ya', don't go believing Judah's words "It's gonna be a massacre come June 9th". "It's gonna be an early Christmas for Miguel Cotto come June 9th." It ain't gonna be s***!! One thing I hate is fighters who talk so much smack saying they gonna do this and they gonna do that and then the fight comes and they end up running for 12 rounds and not giving the people what they said they were. Judah is all talk with no walk. And over rated at the welterweight division.

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Again...hope your'e right.

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Originally Posted by Eli_jr24

Cotto not only wins but gives him a beating like he did to Magg who also promised this and that!

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Last time...hope your'e right.

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Put your money on Cotto!!!!! Cotto ko's 5-7.

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Wacko's too poe to bet cash.

That being said...Welcome to the forum. Have the Obligatory Wacko Welcome Wagon :coolclick:

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Originally Posted by Eli_jr24

We all have to remember and see that Judah was Super Judah when he was at 140 lbs (30-1). Since He moved up to welterweight (147) his record has been 4-3.

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You also have to remember that Judah has proven that when the chips are down & the deck is stacked against him...he has risen to the task at hand. I don't believe that Judah will ever be "Super" again...but if he can dial in on Cotto's inadaquacies...he has a shot as stopping Cotto with his power.

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That was one time. And it was against a relatively featherfisted Spinks who is renown for his lack of stamina. Judah was far from spectacular that night.

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I'm not buying in to what Judah says...I never listen to him when he starts bumping his gums...I never really listen to any fighter that talks outside of Bernard Hopkins...& that's just outta fun.

Anywho, Judah is the better boxer of the two combatants. While Cotto does have devastating body work tucked into his mits...Judah is a slick & speedy boxer...in the past, any fighter that has faced Cotto with some bit of speed & accuaracey has given "we Cotto fans" some pretty valid scares.

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I disagree here. Yeah Judah is fairly slick but I wouldn't call him the better boxer. I'd say Cotto is the better more complete boxer. He's a lot more fundamentally solid which imo, is what the term "boxer" applies to imo. He boxes well from both the inside and outside and has the more diverse punch selection. I would say Cotto is a much more rounded fighter then Judah. I think Judah hurts Cotto from the outside and that's pretty much his chance.

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Totally disagree...but I hope that your'e right. I'd love to see Cotto just spark him outta the gate.

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What do you disagree with there? I think that is pretty much the truth. Pressure breaks down Judah, so does power. Judah has a chance early is what everyone believes, but when was the last time Judah got KO'd anyone of any merit in the opening rounds. Never.

I think you're being a little to scepticle of Cotto Wack to be honest. I think Cotto is the better fighter and I think the style favors Miguel Cotto.

Cotto has been hurt walking fighters down before, but that was when he was still more or less a prospect. I think he came into his own versus Quintana. He really showed out in that performance, punched in transition and made Quintana a little gunshy. Replaced the earmuffs with jabs and straight rights. I'd lend myself to the view that Judah is going to hurt Cotto coming forward a year or so ago, but Cotto is a different fighter now. He's an improved fighter, really shows what gymwork he has been doing to recognize that flaw even after a victory. Judah has improved not a single one of his flaws since Tszyu exposed him. He's more or less the same fighter.

I was DOWN on Cotto after Torres. Great fight but I thought he was so incredibly flawed that any fighter who could stand in the pocket and fire straight shots would destroy him. Well, Cotto has changed. He had to up his game to beat Quintana and he did. I thought Quintana was going to surprise everyone again, but Cotto stepped his game up and he really rose to the occasion and put on what I thought was a breakthrough performance.

I'm thinking Cotto by decision, because Judah goes into a shell when he's broken down and while he won't attempt to win, he won't be KO'd either. But now I'm thinking that his is going to be a HUGE breakout performance for Cotto. I truly believe he is going to beat Judah down. This might be the last time Judah ever fights in a big fight imo. I think Cotto will wreck him.

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gotta wait another week :P

zab may ruin cotto this could be a mistake for cotto to take....



zab is dangerous if he comes in fully focus and prepared his one of the best p4p fighters around.



but more likely zab will under achieve again and lose a fight he could win ;D

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gotta wait another week :P

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well u better enjoy the sun this weekend bro, cuz its supposed to rain all week and all next weekend too :'(

again if zab cant close it in the first 3-4rounds i see COTTO by stoppage!

I still say Zab has the tools to make Cotto look amateurish on the way to an impressive upset win! 8)

Win, lose or draw its gonna be a corker....

Boxing is having a pretty good time of late...we musnt grumble or groan about some of the fights we have on the cards!! :D

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I still say Zab has the tools to make Cotto look amateurish on the way to an impressive upset win! 8)

Win, lose or draw its gonna be a corker....

Boxing is having a pretty good time of late...we musnt grumble or groan about some of the fights we have on the cards!! :D

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There is NO WAY Zab can make Cotto look amateurish?! Cotto is overall,the more rounded fighter so even if Zab does win,I doubt Miguel will look amateurish!

You're right about the great fights though,we have been spoilt this year sofar and plenty more to come!

Damn, I was thinking the fight was tonight.

Either way, I assume Zab will do what he's known to do, look good early and then gradually fade and break down. You would think a guy like Zab would be hell on pressure fighters but he's just not, he just mentally breaks down and has too many flaws like pulling straight back with his hands down. Mainly I think its just a mental breakdown though, he just doesn't know what to do when a guy takes his shots and keeps coming. Its not surprising that his best performance was against a slick boxer with no punch. Still I wouldn't be shocked if he stopped Cotto early, I still am not convinced about Cotto's chin and defence, but I'll go with Cotto to break him down, late stoppage.

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Originally Posted by miles

I still say Zab has the tools to make Cotto look amateurish on the way to an impressive upset win! 8)

Win, lose or draw its gonna be a corker....

Boxing is having a pretty good time of late...we musnt grumble or groan about some of the fights we have on the cards!! :D

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I can't believe you said this!! There is only one fighter that both Judah and Cotto have both met and he goes by the name of Dermacus Corley. The fight was really close and Judah won out a Split Decision. Cotto on the other hand, Well .......he just f*****!! him up!! So if anybody has skillz here he goes by the name of Miguel Cotto!! He's got the skillz to box and has the skillz to slug!! oh, and hits hard to the body as well!! After this fight is over, and Cotto dominates Judah...Everyone is going to be putting Cotto's name up there w/ the best at 147!

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What do you disagree with there? I think that is pretty much the truth. Pressure breaks down Judah, so does power. Judah has a chance early is what everyone believes, but when was the last time Judah got KO'd anyone of any merit in the opening rounds. Never.

I think you're being a little to scepticle of Cotto Wack to be honest. I think Cotto is the better fighter and I think the style favors Miguel Cotto.

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Oh tighten up your fuckin panties amat!

Please.

All I am saying is that Cotto aint a fwockin god & he aint a human terminator...not matter what his fans want to say...& I'm one of em!

Again...let me state that I aint a fan of Judah nor am I buying in to what Judah says...I never listen to him when he starts bumping his gums. The problem with most fans is that they don't broaden their gotdam horizons & factor in the possibilities that there fighter can & will get beaten.