Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....people have no morals and no class these days....THANKS MMA.....actually it's more dumbass kids trying to be all hard when in actuality I would rather my kid (if I had a kid) fight someone boxing or MMA ONE ON ONE rather than do this mob violence.

It's easy to be on the winning side with a group against another group or even an individual but it's hard to stand up for yourself as an individual and fight for yourself until you can't go anymore

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Why is MMA less moral than boxing? There are no corrupt judges, no 'seeming' match fixing, the top fighters don't try and manouvere themselves out of challenging the best.

They don't raise the price of their PPV's to 59.95 when they finally put on a big fight.

No fighter has ever been killed during an MMA event, in the UFC at least. The UFC promoters arn't fleecing the fighters, the biggest MMA star in history hasn't served time for rape and been repeatedly charged with indecent assualts, GBH, drug charges etc.

No UFC fighter has shot their promoter, or killed a well known commentator's brother.

I'd say if anything MMA is more moral than boxing not less.

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Lyle I can do this too

MMA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzaH5yb0ZVg

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHRv44MJ6iw

you decide

give me a break man both sports are valid..both have great fights and both have snore fests
entertainment is subjective...there is no reason to bash the fighters and their fans b/c its not your bag

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You must be freaking kidding me right?
A snugle/slap festivel that ends with one guys face in anothers crotch,compaired to bare knuckle boxing
Yeah thats a good equation
Whats next,you gonna compare the Kentucky Derby to track and Field?

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Is it any worse than a boxing match and two chics fighting on the street being compared?
but if its a KO compilation you want
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7fb0LA1mIQ

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Lyle I can do this too

MMA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzaH5yb0ZVg

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHRv44MJ6iw

you decide

give me a break man both sports are valid..both have great fights and both have snore fests
entertainment is subjective...there is no reason to bash the fighters and their fans b/c its not your bag

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You must be freaking kidding me right?
A snugle/slap festivel that ends with one guys face in anothers crotch,compaired to bare knuckle boxing
Yeah thats a good equation
Whats next,you gonna compare the Kentucky Derby to track and Field?

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Is it any worse than a boxing match and two chics fighting on the street being compared?

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Fair enough point,but in all honesty,for those of us who have done the martial arts,that chick fight is indeed what UFC looks like

.....yeah ground and pound + hair pulling and scratching....both very legitimate UFC tactics hahaha

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

If Joe Rogan is your figurehead,your in deep S*** as a sport

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Hey, Don King has been boxing's figurehead for a long time. I don't think that's much better. :D

Well hey buddy I call it like I see it....UFC = John Ruiz.....and I ain't a John Ruiz fan.


I'm just an old school boxing fan: if you can't beat someone with your fists and your brain then you don't deserve to beat them.

Under no means would I kick someone in a fight, be it street or anything else



Don King CAN make huge fights .....even ones that should have happened long ago and (make them worth while) ie Lewis-Tyson.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Boxing
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MMA
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You Decide!

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ahahahahah I'll actually roll with the catfight ;D

but does anyone have a vid of dibella and rogan arguement ??? i freaking miss it >:mad

Sorry UFC fans
UFC is a nothing upstart looking for attention
It has wrestling,but none of the fighters could survive in Olympic Wrestling
It has kickboxing,but none of its kickboxers could survive proper Muy Thai
It has Boxing,but none of them survive proper boxing
Its in its birthing stages,so maybe one day it will be something,its very possible
But for it to be compaired to any of the above,right now,is pure hype and BS
And morons like Rogan who try to,are turning it in to the WWE,when maybe with time,it could be a legit style of fighting

Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

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:coolclick: but what is BJJ? It sounds likes something Jenna Jameson should be a record holder in?

Is that why he's called BJ Penn, is he the blow job king?

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

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Ooooooooooooo an alternate,and one of the least useful martial arts gold medalists
These guys do it for money,because there isnt as much coin in the others
Hey Kurt Engle won a gold,I guess TNA is legit too
Thats it damnit I demand a Jeff Jarrett/Bernard Hopkins fight
Sting/Klitschko it'll be the fight of the century

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

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BTW,you made my point
A highly schooled athlete from any of the Major disciplines goes through the UFC like a knife through butter
A pure UFC fighter,goes like a knife through lead elsewhere

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

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Ooooooooooooo an alternate,and one of the least useful martial arts gold medalists
These guys do it for money,because there isnt as much coin in the others
Hey Kurt Engle won a gold,I guess TNA is legit too
Thats it damnit I demand a Jeff Jarrett/Bernard Hopkins fight
Sting/Klitschko it'll be the fight of the century

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dont get mad b/c you made a baseless ignorant generalization and were shown to be incorrect
I used Randy b/c of his celebrity..
matt lindland is silver medalist wrestler and Dan henderson was an olympic wrestler, but with your disdain for MMA I would n't expect you to know them
Matt Hughes/Kevin Randleman/Mark Coleman were all NCAA champs and all american wrestlers as well.

Bilbo: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a type of submission wrestling

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

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Ooooooooooooo an alternate,and one of the least useful martial arts gold medalists
These guys do it for money,because there isnt as much coin in the others
Hey Kurt Engle won a gold,I guess TNA is legit too
Thats it damnit I demand a Jeff Jarrett/Bernard Hopkins fight
Sting/Klitschko it'll be the fight of the century

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dont get mad b/c you made a baseless ignorant generalization and were shown to be incorrect
I used Randy b/c of his celebrity..
matt lindland is silver medalist wrestler and Dan henderson was an olympic wrestler, but with your disdain for MMA I would n't expect you to know them
Matt Hughes/Kevin Randleman/Mark Coleman were all NCAA champs and all american wrestlers as well.

Bilbo: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a type of submission wrestling

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Keep making my point for me
If your skilled in a real discipline,youll annihilate UFC competition

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

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BTW,you made my point
A highly schooled athlete from any of the Major disciplines goes through the UFC like a knife through butter
A pure UFC fighter,goes like a knife through lead elsewhere

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this pretty much makes no sense
"a pure UFC fight" is a paradox. MMA fighters at the top all came from one discipline or another, but got to the top through extensive cross training in striking(fists/knees/kicks/elbows), wrestling(takedowns, defense,body control) and submissions

....oooooh a K-1 star damn sure glad he didn't destroy all the boxers he could have fought in pro boxing :beat:

Abu Dhabi is a city in the UAE!


All of this HYPE reminds me of a certain fella named Bob Sapp....too big for boxing huh? Too full of SHIT!

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

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Ooooooooooooo an alternate,and one of the least useful martial arts gold medalists
These guys do it for money,because there isnt as much coin in the others
Hey Kurt Engle won a gold,I guess TNA is legit too
Thats it damnit I demand a Jeff Jarrett/Bernard Hopkins fight
Sting/Klitschko it'll be the fight of the century

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dont get mad b/c you made a baseless ignorant generalization and were shown to be incorrect
I used Randy b/c of his celebrity..
matt lindland is silver medalist wrestler and Dan henderson was an olympic wrestler, but with your disdain for MMA I would n't expect you to know them
Matt Hughes/Kevin Randleman/Mark Coleman were all NCAA champs and all american wrestlers as well.

Bilbo: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a type of submission wrestling

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Keep making my point for me
If your skilled in a real discipline,youll annihilate UFC competition

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Your posting on this topic while being completely clueless about it baffles me. The days of one dimensional fighters is over.
Almost all top MMA fighters are a blend now of a good ground game and stand up.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Why is MMA less moral than boxing?

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I was just joking....and to answer the other questions

not yet

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

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BTW,you made my point
A highly schooled athlete from any of the Major disciplines goes through the UFC like a knife through butter
A pure UFC fighter,goes like a knife through lead elsewhere

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this pretty much makes no sense
"a pure UFC fight" is a paradox. MMA fighters at the top all came from one discipline or another, but got to the top through extensive cross training in striking(fists/knees/kicks/elbows), wrestling(takedowns, defense,body control) and submissions

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Yeah your right,rather then watching highly skilled masters,Id rather watch a bunch of guys who do one thing well and nothing else worth a crap,who are only highered merc to give this farce any legitimacy dry hump each other for 29.95

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....oooooh a K-1 star damn sure glad he didn't destroy all the boxers he could have fought in pro boxing :beat:

Abu Dhabi is a city in the UAE!


All of this HYPE reminds me of a certain fella named Bob Sapp....too big for boxing huh? Too full of S***!

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I dont know why just b/c someone chooses a different sport its b/c they are failed boxers. By that rationale all boxers are failed left handed major league pitchers with 100 mph fast balls. I mean why get punched in the head for money when you can make better money pitching for the yankees. Abu Dhabi is also the worlds top submission grappling tourney.

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

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BTW,you made my point
A highly schooled athlete from any of the Major disciplines goes through the UFC like a knife through butter
A pure UFC fighter,goes like a knife through lead elsewhere

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this pretty much makes no sense
"a pure UFC fight" is a paradox. MMA fighters at the top all came from one discipline or another, but got to the top through extensive cross training in striking(fists/knees/kicks/elbows), wrestling(takedowns, defense,body control) and submissions

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Yeah your right,rather then watching highly skilled masters,Id rather watch a bunch of guys who do one thing well and nothing else worth a crap,who are only highered merc to give this farce any legitimacy dry hump each other for 29.95

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Keep ignoring the facts if you want but, MMA fighters are skilled in multiple skill sets and all facets of hand to hand combat....you seem to make alot of generalizations and stereotypes about a sport you obviously dont watch and know nothing about it really kind of takes away all vailidity of your posts

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

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Ooooooooooooo an alternate,and one of the least useful martial arts gold medalists
These guys do it for money,because there isnt as much coin in the others
Hey Kurt Engle won a gold,I guess TNA is legit too
Thats it damnit I demand a Jeff Jarrett/Bernard Hopkins fight
Sting/Klitschko it'll be the fight of the century

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dont get mad b/c you made a baseless ignorant generalization and were shown to be incorrect
I used Randy b/c of his celebrity..
matt lindland is silver medalist wrestler and Dan henderson was an olympic wrestler, but with your disdain for MMA I would n't expect you to know them
Matt Hughes/Kevin Randleman/Mark Coleman were all NCAA champs and all american wrestlers as well.

Bilbo: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a type of submission wrestling

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Keep making my point for me
If your skilled in a real discipline,youll annihilate UFC competition

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Sorry but forgive me if I'm wrong but don't most amatuer boxers who win Olympic Gold usually go on to do pretty well in pro boxing as well?

You would EXPECT an Olympic level wrestler to do well in MMA seeing as he would base his game around that ::**


By your logic pro boxing is dominated by a bunch of amatuer's who just happened to pick up medals in the Olympics :stupid:

Just an interesting fact.

Ray Mercer former heavyweight world boxing champ has turned to MMA. He is currently 0-2

Matt Skelton former K-1 champ turned pro boxing at 35 is currently 20-1

Discuss.

Bilbo I don't got much time right here, but it doesn't have to be Boxing versus MMA and I'll explain a bit here. It's going to sound absurd in hindsight when you think of wrestling in it's current state, but it's true.

Around the TV sporting revolution, the first two sports shown on TV were boxing and wrestling, as in WWF back when it wasn't known that it was fake and was treated as a sport, don't believe me check out the old issues of Sports Illustrated or the old writings of Bert Sugar.

Wrestling underwent a HUGE surge when it got off radio, and there was never talk of wrestling versus boxing even though both were combat sports. Even as late as the days of Andre the Giant, boxing and wrestling coexisted at basically the top of the United States sports spectrum, and sports like professional basketball, football, even with the star power of Wilt, Russell and Unitas were just finding their way. The point is, for a period of a good 30 years and several generations, boxing and wrestling shared the top of the mountain. Talk to an old boxing fan, and he'll always want to tell you about wrestling to. My grandpa first did it, then as I started going to boxing events more and more, I heard about old wrestlers more and more.

Then, back to the beginning, I started reading a lot of Bert Sugar's stuff prior to what he did with the Ring and Boxing Monthly, and most of it was talking about wrestling. I read old San Francisco examiner articles a lot, and if you go back to the 50's, wrestling was right there. In fact, when the light of how heavy the mob's influence on boxing was in the 50's, many found refuge in wrestling.

Honestly, it's not something you would think about now, but the notion that boxing and MMA can not coexist isn't proven. If anything, it's been proven the opposite. I'll try to provide some links if you're interested later, maybe over PM?


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As for what happened today on Sportscenter.

I watched this, and honestly I was fairly excited for it because I am a fan of both sports, boxing more so then MMA but I certainly appreciate it's art, and it's good to see both of them headlining Sportscenter.

Then when I saw they had Joe Rogan, who makes his points very well going up "against" Lou Dibella, I cringed. I've seen Lou's views on MMA before, and I've seen Ross Greenburg's views. Two peas in a pod. Lou is about as ignorant as Lyle (I only say you Lyle because I know you won't take offense to that) to MMA. He is right that it is apples and oranges, but then to say MMA is like human cockfighting and a sideshow act is the very ignorance that makes the UFC seem to want to eliminate boxing in America because maybe it will rid views like that of Lou's and Lyle's.

I thought Rogan argued very well. But I did take exception to a couple of his points. One in particular.

Firstly, Joe said that boxing was a "limited" form of fighting. But boxing isn't fighting, boxing is boxing. No one has ever called boxing "fighting" or "punching" because, well it's boxing. It's not limited, it is what it is. Compared to MMA it is not a more complete form of combat, but I don't think anyone is saying it is. Basically, saying boxing is limited is the equivalent of saying that football is "limited" because they don't stab each other to get the ball. Or that baseball is "limited" because the ball is not live at all times. On that front, Joe was wrong.

In Joe's defense, he probably hears far worse things trying to sell MMA as a fraud every day, things like what Lou was saying. And I truly believe Rogan is calling boxing limited just as a response to Lou. He called boxing an aspect of MMA. Sorry Joe, but MMA has some boxing aspects, not the other way around. But like I said, that probably is due to the crap he has to hear every day.

Secondly, and this is more important really and blatantly wrong I do think. About the only thing Rogan was wrong about in that five minutes on Sportscenter. When talking about the starpower in boxing, Rogan said this.

"The stars boxing has today; Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweather Jr., are the last of the stars boxing will ever have. All of those stars came before the resurgence of the UFC and boxing is now unable to create new ones"

Now this is just completely wrong. To start off, if he is going to say this, he is going to be speaking in the context of America. Because the UFC and MMA does not have anywhere near the influence globally that boxing does.

Miguel Cotto has a giant following in Puerto Rico. The whole damn country is behind him. They may not be to savvy on boxing, but they know who Miguel Cotto is. Acelino Freitas' wedding was one of the biggest events in Brazilian TV history.

Kassim Ouma, a marginal name in boxing, got greeted by nearly the whole damn country at the Ugandan airport on his last visit, they actually had to have a whole police force on hand at the airport and that wasn't enough as Ouma was still trounced with thousands of fans within breathing space.

I might be mistaken on this next one. But didn't either Joe Calzaghe or Ricky Hatton win British Sportsman of the Year recently in a country known worldwide for soccer fanaticism? Either could pack a soccer stadium there. Mikkell Kessler could pack a whole soccer stadium in Denmark. We had an Australian guy named Mick over for De La Hoya - Mayweather at a friend's house, he had no idea who Mayweather was. But he was a big Tony Mundine fan. And before Mundine it was Fenech. He didn't like Tszyu for some reason.

You see the point I am getting at. If those don't count for stars, then nothing does. There is an argument to be made that boxing is in competition with soccer as being the most globalized sport on the planet. I did not even mention Manny Pacquiao who is bigger then any MMA artist in MMA's backyard of Asia.

Boxing is far from dead. Though it's easy for us in America to think so, it's not. It's in a lull in America right now because boxing brass in America hasn't recovered from Hearns, Hagler and Leonard's retirement. MMA was flatlining in America, but the sport stayed afloat and thrived in Asia, then UFC came back and took America by storm. That was all in a course of 10 years. There is no reason to think boxing, the most resilient sport of all time, couldn't do the same thing. And even if it did, it would be far from dead because of how globalized it is.

Calm down boxing fans, boxing isn't going anywhere. If you want to start the search for America's next stars, well the Peterson brothers fight in 20 minutes. Who couldn't get behind two homeless adolescents finding a way out through boxing and making it big together? Who couldn't get behind that?

Boxing will make a comeback in America and I hope that when it does, it can enjoy a healthy relationship with MMA atop the combat sports for a long time to come. I wouldn't mind some mixed boxing/MMA cards just to see how that goes.

I don't personally like MMA very much, not nearly as much as boxing, but there is no denying that there are some very talented athletes in that sport. In its very early days, UFC reminded me of two rednecks fighting over the last bottle of Jack Daniels, it was just brutality - but it has changed fairly significantly since then.
The only MMA-type events I really have a problem with are the ones where a fighter is allowed to be hit and kicked in the head repeatedly as he lays motionless on the ground.
And saying a UFC fighter could/could not compete or win in boxing is absolutely useless - it all comes down to the fighter and his choices in the ring etc. rather than his dicipline. Though the fighter who has been schooled in a certain dicipline for a longer peroid of time will obviously have the advantage in that type of a fight.
Edit: I would also argue that there is no reason these sports cannot coexist.

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I don't personally like MMA very much, not nearly as much as boxing, but there is no denying that there are some very talented athletes in that sport. In its very early days, UFC reminded me of two rednecks fighting over the last bottle of Jack Daniels, it was just brutality - but it has changed fairly significantly since then.
The only MMA-type events I really have a problem with are the ones where a fighter is allowed to be hit and kicked in the head repeatedly as he lays motionless on the ground.
And saying a UFC fighter could/could not compete or win in boxing is absolutely useless - it all comes down to the fighter and his choices in the ring etc. rather than his dicipline. Though the fighter who has been schooled in a certain dicipline for a longer peroid of time will obviously have the advantage in that type of a fight.

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nice to see an objective viewpoint CC

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Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

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Ooooooooooooo an alternate,and one of the least useful martial arts gold medalists
These guys do it for money,because there isnt as much coin in the others
Hey Kurt Engle won a gold,I guess TNA is legit too
Thats it damnit I demand a Jeff Jarrett/Bernard Hopkins fight
Sting/Klitschko it'll be the fight of the century

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dont get mad b/c you made a baseless ignorant generalization and were shown to be incorrect
I used Randy b/c of his celebrity..
matt lindland is silver medalist wrestler and Dan henderson was an olympic wrestler, but with your disdain for MMA I would n't expect you to know them
Matt Hughes/Kevin Randleman/Mark Coleman were all NCAA champs and all american wrestlers as well.

Bilbo: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a type of submission wrestling

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Keep making my point for me
If your skilled in a real discipline,youll annihilate UFC competition

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Sorry but forgive me if I'm wrong but don't most amatuer boxers who win Olympic Gold usually go on to do pretty well in pro boxing as well?

You would EXPECT an Olympic level wrestler to do well in MMA seeing as he would base his game around that ::**


By your logic pro boxing is dominated by a bunch of amatuer's who just happened to pick up medals in the Olympics :stupid:

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Theres alot of UFC Gold Medalists are there?
Oh wait

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

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BTW,you made my point
A highly schooled athlete from any of the Major disciplines goes through the UFC like a knife through butter
A pure UFC fighter,goes like a knife through lead elsewhere

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this pretty much makes no sense
"a pure UFC fight" is a paradox. MMA fighters at the top all came from one discipline or another, but got to the top through extensive cross training in striking(fists/knees/kicks/elbows), wrestling(takedowns, defense,body control) and submissions

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Yeah your right,rather then watching highly skilled masters,Id rather watch a bunch of guys who do one thing well and nothing else worth a crap,who are only highered merc to give this farce any legitimacy dry hump each other for 29.95

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Keep ignoring the facts if you want but, MMA fighters are skilled in multiple skill sets and all facets of hand to hand combat....you seem to make alot of generalizations and stereotypes about a sport you obviously dont watch and know nothing about it really kind of takes away all vailidity of your posts

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Dry Anal rape,slapping,raising their leg and call it a kick,making WWE style commercials
Yeah I guess you could call it that

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

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BTW,you made my point
A highly schooled athlete from any of the Major disciplines goes through the UFC like a knife through butter
A pure UFC fighter,goes like a knife through lead elsewhere

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this pretty much makes no sense
"a pure UFC fight" is a paradox. MMA fighters at the top all came from one discipline or another, but got to the top through extensive cross training in striking(fists/knees/kicks/elbows), wrestling(takedowns, defense,body control) and submissions

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Yeah your right,rather then watching highly skilled masters,Id rather watch a bunch of guys who do one thing well and nothing else worth a crap,who are only highered merc to give this farce any legitimacy dry hump each other for 29.95

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Keep ignoring the facts if you want but, MMA fighters are skilled in multiple skill sets and all facets of hand to hand combat....you seem to make alot of generalizations and stereotypes about a sport you obviously dont watch and know nothing about it really kind of takes away all vailidity of your posts

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Dry Anal rape,slapping,raising their leg and call it a kick,making WWE style commercials
Yeah I guess you could call it that

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uhhh....what?

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Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

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Ooooooooooooo an alternate,and one of the least useful martial arts gold medalists
These guys do it for money,because there isnt as much coin in the others
Hey Kurt Engle won a gold,I guess TNA is legit too
Thats it damnit I demand a Jeff Jarrett/Bernard Hopkins fight
Sting/Klitschko it'll be the fight of the century

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dont get mad b/c you made a baseless ignorant generalization and were shown to be incorrect
I used Randy b/c of his celebrity..
matt lindland is silver medalist wrestler and Dan henderson was an olympic wrestler, but with your disdain for MMA I would n't expect you to know them
Matt Hughes/Kevin Randleman/Mark Coleman were all NCAA champs and all american wrestlers as well.

Bilbo: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a type of submission wrestling

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Keep making my point for me
If your skilled in a real discipline,youll annihilate UFC competition

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Sorry but forgive me if I'm wrong but don't most amatuer boxers who win Olympic Gold usually go on to do pretty well in pro boxing as well?

You would EXPECT an Olympic level wrestler to do well in MMA seeing as he would base his game around that ::**


By your logic pro boxing is dominated by a bunch of amatuer's who just happened to pick up medals in the Olympics :stupid:

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Theres alot of UFC Gold Medalists are there?
Oh wait

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Your a moron, if MMA was an Olympic sport there would be just as many winners every 4 years as boxers, it's hard to win Gold medals when the sport you compete in isn't an Olympic event ::**

My point is that Olympic medal winners from related disciplines HAVE gone on to do well in MMA. MMA is a young growing sport. It's only been in the last 5 years that it's really taken off but trust me, in the future you can virtually guarantee that future Olympic wrestling, judo and other related sports medal winners will be going on to pursue careers in MMA and then the talent pool will really take off.

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Just an interesting fact.

Ray Mercer former heavyweight world boxing champ has turned to MMA. He is currently 0-2

Matt Skelton former K-1 champ turned pro boxing at 35 is currently 20-1

Discuss.

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Ray Mercer should have retired 10 years ago,and Matt Skelton has fought nothing but bums

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Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

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Ooooooooooooo an alternate,and one of the least useful martial arts gold medalists
These guys do it for money,because there isnt as much coin in the others
Hey Kurt Engle won a gold,I guess TNA is legit too
Thats it damnit I demand a Jeff Jarrett/Bernard Hopkins fight
Sting/Klitschko it'll be the fight of the century

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dont get mad b/c you made a baseless ignorant generalization and were shown to be incorrect
I used Randy b/c of his celebrity..
matt lindland is silver medalist wrestler and Dan henderson was an olympic wrestler, but with your disdain for MMA I would n't expect you to know them
Matt Hughes/Kevin Randleman/Mark Coleman were all NCAA champs and all american wrestlers as well.

Bilbo: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a type of submission wrestling

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Keep making my point for me
If your skilled in a real discipline,youll annihilate UFC competition

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Sorry but forgive me if I'm wrong but don't most amatuer boxers who win Olympic Gold usually go on to do pretty well in pro boxing as well?

You would EXPECT an Olympic level wrestler to do well in MMA seeing as he would base his game around that ::**


By your logic pro boxing is dominated by a bunch of amatuer's who just happened to pick up medals in the Olympics :stupid:

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Theres alot of UFC Gold Medalists are there?
Oh wait

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Your a moron, if MMA was an Olympic sport there would be just as many winners every 4 years as boxers, it's hard to win Gold medals when the sport you compete in isn't an Olympic event ::**

My point is that Olympic medal winners from related disciplines HAVE gone on to do well in MMA. MMA is a young growing sport. It's only been in the last 5 years that it's really taken off but trust me, in the future you can virtually guarantee that future Olympic wrestling, judo and other related sports medal winners will be going on to pursue careers in MMA and then the talent pool will really take off.

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Now why isnt it
I mean its such a great sport and all,youd think the committee would fall all over itself to raise it to the internationally recognised level of say,volleyball

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Just an interesting fact.

Ray Mercer former heavyweight world boxing champ has turned to MMA. He is currently 0-2

Matt Skelton former K-1 champ turned pro boxing at 35 is currently 20-1

Discuss.

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OLD Mercer fought Remy Bojansky....a kicker.....and some Musashi guy

Skelton hasn't fought anyone of note besides fat Danny Williams

Football/Rubgy/Cricket are all sports that are also not in the olympics, but rhythmic gymanstics is an olympic sport so I dont the being an olympic sport is a legit litmus test for being a real sport

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Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

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Ooooooooooooo an alternate,and one of the least useful martial arts gold medalists
These guys do it for money,because there isnt as much coin in the others
Hey Kurt Engle won a gold,I guess TNA is legit too
Thats it damnit I demand a Jeff Jarrett/Bernard Hopkins fight
Sting/Klitschko it'll be the fight of the century

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dont get mad b/c you made a baseless ignorant generalization and were shown to be incorrect
I used Randy b/c of his celebrity..
matt lindland is silver medalist wrestler and Dan henderson was an olympic wrestler, but with your disdain for MMA I would n't expect you to know them
Matt Hughes/Kevin Randleman/Mark Coleman were all NCAA champs and all american wrestlers as well.

Bilbo: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a type of submission wrestling

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Keep making my point for me
If your skilled in a real discipline,youll annihilate UFC competition

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Sorry but forgive me if I'm wrong but don't most amatuer boxers who win Olympic Gold usually go on to do pretty well in pro boxing as well?

You would EXPECT an Olympic level wrestler to do well in MMA seeing as he would base his game around that ::**


By your logic pro boxing is dominated by a bunch of amatuer's who just happened to pick up medals in the Olympics :stupid:

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Theres alot of UFC Gold Medalists are there?
Oh wait

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Your a moron, if MMA was an Olympic sport there would be just as many winners every 4 years as boxers, it's hard to win Gold medals when the sport you compete in isn't an Olympic event ::**

My point is that Olympic medal winners from related disciplines HAVE gone on to do well in MMA. MMA is a young growing sport. It's only been in the last 5 years that it's really taken off but trust me, in the future you can virtually guarantee that future Olympic wrestling, judo and other related sports medal winners will be going on to pursue careers in MMA and then the talent pool will really take off.

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Now why isnt it
I mean its such a great sport and all,youd think the committee would fall all over itself to raise it to the internationally recognised level of say,volleyball

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The Olympics are held every 4 years Monkey, it takes time for new sports to be adopted into the games. I'm sure as the sport develops and an international set of fight rules and regulations is made standard there will be a call to make it an Olympic event.

Face it,its a sport for frustraited former high school wrestlers to somehow convince themselves they "could have been something"
Im forcing myself to watch this crap right now,take off the trunks its a gay porn
As it is,its liking watching paint peel

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Face it,its a sport for frustraited former high school wrestlers to somehow convince themselves they "could have been something"
Im forcing myself to watch this crap right now,take off the trunks its a gay porn
As it is,its liking watching paint peel

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Monkey entertainment is subjective...To each his own. we get it you dont enjoy the sport. The whole former british empire loves cricket, i could care less for it, but that doesn't make it any less of a sport or its participants some washed up baseball wannabees. I grew up in Texas and chose not to play HS football. This is a serious sin in Tx towns. Instead I chose to play soccer and run track. This choise doesn't make me some jock sniffing loser who couldn't cut it on the gridiron

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Face it,its a sport for frustraited former high school wrestlers to somehow convince themselves they "could have been something"
Im forcing myself to watch this crap right now,take off the trunks its a gay porn
As it is,its liking watching paint peel

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Guys like Couture, Jackson, Silva, Henderson, Cro Cop, Emilianenko, Sakuraba and the Gracies are all top class athletes and immensely skilled in what they do.

Yes it started out more Tank Abbot than super skilled Jutitsu practictioners but it's getting better all the time.

The comments you make just do not make any sense.

Using simple logic, the quality of any sport depends entirely on the skill of the individuals who choose to participate in it. MMA is growing rapidly. With more and more world class martial artists being attracted to either the UFC, Pride or K1 wanting to earn the fame and the money that goes with it how can it possibly be full of unskilled fighters?

It's a logical absurdity.

On the other hand, you only need to look at the American boxingheavyweight scene to witness the dearth of talent around now due to the fact that many young athletes are choosing careers in pro football and basketball over boxing.

As MMA grows, and it's growing fast, more young athletes will be drawn into the sport further enhancing the talent pool of MMA and further weakening the talent pool in boxing, at least in the heavyweight division.

The more popular a sport becomes the more young people will want to take it up. As the UFC and MMA in general gets more popular, it can only go from strength to strength. In 10 years it could well be seen as the premier combat sport ahead of boxing. In fact it could even get there in 5.

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Face it,its a sport for frustraited former high school wrestlers to somehow convince themselves they "could have been something"
Im forcing myself to watch this crap right now,take off the trunks its a gay porn
As it is,its liking watching paint peel

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Monkey entertainment is subjective...To each his own. we get it you dont enjoy the sport. The whole former british empire loves cricket, i could care less for it, but that doesn't make it any less of a sport or its participants some washed up baseball wannabees. I grew up in Texas and chose not to play HS football. This is a serious sin in Tx towns. Instead I chose to play soccer and run track. This choise doesn't make me some jock sniffing loser who couldn't cut it on the gridiron

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Its boring as hell to me,its not good at any one thing
Nothing honed,no prefection
How it really looks to me
"Paddy cake with the hands,one half assed kick,and then roll around on the mat until conclusion"
Its jack of all trades,master of nothing,and honestly I think it looks vaguely gay(not that theres anything wrong with that)
Its not a honed,skilled,and trained martial art,so it bores the piss out of me