Roy destroys Hagler. He was faster than Leonard at middleweight, and Hagler could only deal with Leonard because he couldn't punch at the weight, but Roy is stronger, faster, and hits harder than anyone Hagler has ever faced.
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Roy destroys Hagler. He was faster than Leonard at middleweight, and Hagler could only deal with Leonard because he couldn't punch at the weight, but Roy is stronger, faster, and hits harder than anyone Hagler has ever faced.
Also it wasn't even close to a prime Leonard who faced Hagler, and he had been out of the sport for like 3 years before the fight. Against Bernard Roy had a broken right hand which forced him fight differently, and he wasn't in his prime yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I am going to correct my statement because Roy wouldn't destroy Hagler, but he would win by a larger margin. I can't see Hagler beating Toney either.
I think roy would of beaten him pretty bad tbh...
I doubt he would of stopped him, i think it would of been a backfoot type of win for Roy, using his skills, speed and footwork to take it to a pretty one sided UD
Hagler beat Roy Jones father in 1977.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
roy wins
no explanation
roy wins
no explanation
well I am not sure it is that easy with Roy winning. Hagler was a great fighter. I think Hagler is one of the best ever no doubt. The only complaint I have about him is how he fought all the welterweights moving up like Hearns, Leonard,Duran and would not move up and test himself against a bigger guy like they did. He should have taken on Michael Spinks. Just to do what those guys did. That is why I think Hearns, Leonard and Duran tested themselves more.
Quite a bit Hagler would have to move up though 2 weight divisions to fight Spinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
yeah it would have been alot 15 pounds, but Hearns and Leonard moved up 13 to fight Marvin and Duran moved up 25 so I thought Marvin should have done it. Just to test his boxing skills and not his strength. I always thought he talked a little tough with them, and didn't do the same with Spinks. Spinks would have been tough for Marvin to beat. Spinks was 6 21/2 and had the Spinks Jinx.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
yeah it would have been alot 15 pounds, but Hearns and Leonard moved up 13 to fight Marvin and Duran moved up 25 so I thought Marvin should have done it. Just to test his boxing skills and not his strength. I always thought he talked a little tough with them, and didn't do the same with Spinks. Spinks would have been tough for Marvin to beat. Spinks was 6 21/2 and had the Spinks Jinx.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Well if he could carry the weight well Hagler would stop Spinks.
Good matchup. IMO a relentless pressure fighter like Hagler is exactly the type of fighter which could beat Roy. Who wins depends entirely at what weight though. If they fight at 165 or less I'd pick Hagler, over that weight Roy would just be able to keep him off to win a decision.
Think so? I have a hard time figuring this fight out. If Hagler could take Spinks punch I think he could stop him also. Would have been nice to see him try.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I would go with RJJ UD
Spinks unorthdox style would give Hagler trouble but Hagler would win imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
hagler would lose a close match. or even maybe by mid to late knockout
roy jones at his best.. was a freak of nature
Spinks would knock roy out if they fought i think he hurt hagler bad. People forget how good Spinks was at the weight and had better wins then Roy at LH in my opinion.
the postings are interesting because you can tell by the opinion what generation a person is. THe ones who liked Hagler are in their 40s-50s and the ones who like Jones 20-30s. Just opinion. I am going to say Hagler because Marvin fought better guys.. He took a beautiful punch by Hearns which should have leveled him and came back and fought the round of history in round one. Roy did not fight the opposition of Marvin Hagler and to say he would win is just presumptuous of some. It is not that easy. And I am saying you put the Hagler who fought Hearns in with Jones and Jones has a problem. You put the Hagler who fought Leonard (Hagler was sort of inactive for 2 years since the Hearns fight) and Jones has a chance. After Hearns, Hagler fought only one time in 2 years until fighting Ray. He did not look good with Ray and I could tell this before the first bell rang. Against Hearns he looked 5 years younger than when he fought Ray. Hearns fought the better Hagler. Fact is that Jones is like alot of guys now. boxers who knockout lesser opponents with his speed yet he never fought his equals. Anda fighters equals never go down easy.
Cool click .. I enjoyed your write up . you make some good points , Hagler is an all time favorite of mine. liked his style better then Roy's . but in saying all that .Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
I think Roy at his best beats Hagler with the speed and reflexes .. Roy sees everything in his prime. he knows what your going to do before you do.
remember Roy beat Hopkins and James Toney at their prime , that’s worth a mention.. Roy at his best really had no equal.. i truly believe that. . I’m not one to kiss someone’s bullocks. Roy was magical in his prime.
If it is the Hagler that showed up in the Hearns fight i say Hagler would stop RJJ.
I am going to say Hagler because Marvin fought better guys.. He took a beautiful punch by Hearns which should have leveled him and came back and fought the round of history in round one.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
Jones also fought very good opposition just because Hagler took one good right hand from Hearns doesn't mean he would beat Jones Hearns just fought a bad fight by trading with a natural Middleweight when Hearns chin isn't all that great.
Roy did not fight the opposition of Marvin Hagler and to say he would win is just presumptuous of some. It is not that easy.
Hagler's best wins were against fighters moving up in weight.
Just compare there records for a second.
Hagler's best wins.
Thomas Hearns
John Mugabi
Juan Domingo Roldan
Roberto Duran
Vito Antuofermo
Mustafa Hamsho
Alan Minter
Roy Jones's best wins
Virgil Hill
Bernard Hopkins
James Toney
Mike McCallum
Montel Griffin
These names alone trumps most of Hagler's opposition except Hearns and Duran but Duran was natural Lightweight and Hearns was natural Welterweight.
And I am saying you put the Hagler who fought Hearns in with Jones and Jones has a problem. You put the Hagler who fought Leonard (Hagler was sort of inactive for 2 years since the Hearns fight) and Jones has a chance.
I have said this time and time again that Hearns fought a very bad fight trying to go to war with Hagler and Hagler basically took over after the 1st round just because Hagler beat suspect chin Hearns in a shoot out doesn't mean he could beat Roy Jones Jr in boxing match because thats what kind of fight it would be had they met.
Fact is that Jones is like alot of guys now. boxers who knockout lesser opponents with his speed yet he never fought his equals. Anda fighters equals never go down easy.
Jones beat 4 Hall Of Famer's and beat good opposition he beat the best opposition of his era name me another fighter that beat as many good names as Jones did in last decade or achieved what Jones did ?? i don't think your find many.
Hey hearns may have been a Welter weight but he went on to win titles in LH and CW so he was a bigger guy then Hagler i thought.
How is Hill that good of a name he lost to older Hearns and he was younger and better shape then the version Roy beat.
Hill is better name than most of Hagler's opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
John Mugabi
Juan Domingo Roldan
Vito Antuofermo
Mustafa Hamsho
Alan Minter
So are Hopkins, Toney, and McCallum.
Are talking about the same Mike McCallum that was 40 when Roy beat him and far away as prime as you can get.
McCallum was still very good fighter he went on to fight Toney in there rubbermatch and give Toney a good arguement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Hearns is better win then Hopkins and Tony So they are pretty even on wins. The others are close and Duran was better then a lot of them as well and Mike was 40 so he should not even count as a win so i still see it even if not better for Hagler when you look at when they beat them.
Even with Hearns and Duran Jones whole career was better he had the better wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Well if you took away Bernard and Tony then i pretty sure Roy career would be tarnished to.
I do not think so i mean besides Tony and Bernard the other two are a old Mike and Hill that was not that great.
Virgil Hill not that great ?? you know many records that man broke ?? and that Jones was only one to stop him ?? thats way better than anything on Hagler's record not including Duran and Hearns plus Duran was dead even with Hagler after 12 rounds until he run out of gas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Yet again what i was saying those two names alone i believe make his resume better then Roys welcome to disagree.
And ice no offence but come on you can not take away a guys best wins that what define them.
And i have not seen the first Griffen fight but he gave Roy problems by the look of it and not sure why the second fight. Griffen is not a good name either besides a win over Roy by Dq he did not do much for his career. So then there is Bernard which he won but it was no blow out and Tony was weight drained but no excuse he was owned. Then there is MaCallum who was best weight was 154 and he fought roy at 175 and at 40 went all 12 rounds with him and you may make funt of duran being at Lightweight at prime but you do not Bring up that MaCullam fought at a lower weight to and he lost a big fight so he was below the big guys in the 1980s guess what i am saying is that Hagler will win a UD and i will leave it at that i guess.
The DQ was BS Jones knocked down Griffin and landed a punch when Griffin was on the floor but Griffin was already gone so there was no need for the DQ and as for Griffin not being good name ?? he beat James Toney twice thats nothing to shabby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Toney has always had weight problems his loss to Jones was because he was flat out owned by superb fighter plus alot of people forget Toney was P4P number 2 in the world at that time.
McCallum also won Lightheavyweight championship off Jeff Harding he was still very good at Lightheavyweight just compare Hagler's and Jones record on all the best fighters they beat plus what they achieved and Jones wins it.
Im not taking away anything im pointing out the facts Jones had better overall career than Hagler after Ruiz fight people were comparing Jones to SRR if Jones would have retired after Ruiz fight this debate would not even be happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Yea but he did not he ended up getting destroyed and if Hagler stop fighting before fighting SRL i think Hagler would be looked at differently as well.
And look they made another on man people must like to talk about this fight.
I see Roy Jones giving Hagler a tough night. Sometime's Marvelous would let guys get away with a bit to much (Duran). I don't know if (after being forced to make weight at a same day weighin the YOUNG 160 pound RJJ had the balls to take Marvin to task. Just the same... I would have like to see this fight. Besides BHOP, Roy is the only "modern" (12 round championship) fighter near MMH'S weight class that I give a shot with the chrome domed legend from Brockton Mass.