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Re: I think that Lewis is a top ten on the best heavies ever.
Ali
Louis
Tunney
Marciano
Holmes
Patterson
Holyfield
Foreman
Lennox
Tyson
*My lists tend to change from time to time.
**This list took me about 3 min. to compile.
***Please feel free to blast me for anything you diagree with I'll probably agree with you. 8)
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Re: I think that Lewis is a top ten on the best heavies ever.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Ali
Louis
Tunney
Marciano
Holmes
Patterson
Holyfield
Foreman
Lennox
Tyson
*My lists tend to change from time to time.
**This list took me about 3 min. to compile.
***Please feel free to blast me for anything you diagree with I'll probably agree with you. 8)
Holyfield and Patterson are way too high im not even sure Patterson should be in top 10 let alone above Foreman Lewis ect.
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Re: I think that Lewis is a top ten on the best heavies ever.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Ali
Louis
Tunney
Marciano
Holmes
Patterson
Holyfield
Foreman
Lennox
Tyson
*My lists tend to change from time to time.
**This list took me about 3 min. to compile.
***Please feel free to blast me for anything you diagree with I'll probably agree with you. 8)
Holyfield and Patterson are way too high im not even sure Patterson should be in top 10 let alone above Foreman Lewis ect.
I agree. ;D
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Re: I think that Lewis is a top ten on the best heavies ever.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Ali
Louis
Tunney
Marciano
Holmes
Patterson
Holyfield
Foreman
Lennox
Tyson
*My lists tend to change from time to time.
**This list took me about 3 min. to compile.
***Please feel free to blast me for anything you diagree with I'll probably agree with you. 8)
Holyfield and Patterson are way too high im not even sure Patterson should be in top 10 let alone above Foreman Lewis ect.
I agree. ;D
No but seriously Patterson does belong in the top 10.
That boys always over looked 1 of the first universally recognized Champs in history.
Theres been a handful of dominant Heavys (more then 10) to list 10 you can only go by what you think.
I think Patterson belongs there.
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Re: I think that Lewis is a top ten on the best heavies ever.
Patterson would of been one of finest Lightheavys ever but his chin was weak at hw but he had ton of heart thing is other than Ingemar who else did he beat ??
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Re: I think that Lewis is a top ten on the best heavies ever.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Patterson would of been one of finest Lightheavys ever but his chin was weak at hw but he had ton of heart thing is other than Ingemar who else did he beat ??
Just a bunch of obscure guys Moore, Chuvalo, Cooper, Bonavena.
No one that really mattered during THAT time.
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Re: I think that Lewis is a top ten on the best heavies ever.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Patterson would of been one of finest Lightheavys ever but his chin was weak at hw but he had ton of heart thing is other than Ingemar who else did he beat ??
Just a bunch of obscure guys Moore, Chuvalo, Cooper, Bonavena.
No one that really mattered during THAT time.
Moore was like 40 + wasn't he way past it Oscar was ok aswell but he wasn't great i know he floored Frazier twice but Frazier was very green but Oscar had amazing chin Coopers rise to fame was knocking down Ali but other than that he was just middle of the road in boxing and again Oscar is just like Chuvalo great chin but not great skills or anything else just a brawler.
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Re: I think that Lewis is a top ten on the best heavies ever.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Patterson would of been one of finest Lightheavys ever but his chin was weak at hw but he had ton of heart thing is other than Ingemar who else did he beat ??
Just a bunch of obscure guys Moore, Chuvalo, Cooper, Bonavena.
No one that really mattered during THAT time.
Moore was like 40 + wasn't he way past it Oscar was ok aswell but he wasn't great i know he floored Frazier twice but Frazier was very green but Oscar had amazing chin Coopers rise to fame was knocking down Ali but other than that he was just middle of the road in boxing and again Oscar is just like Chuvalo great chin but not great skills or anything else just a brawler.
Wait a minute but just a few weeks ago you were praising them for what they had done to Ali.
Now they are flawed and were just OK fighters?
Fact of the matter is during the time THOSE were the top guys around if you notice they almost all show up on the records of the top Heavys of those days but ONLY the best beat them.
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Re: I think that Lewis is a top ten on the best heavies ever.
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considering he had two fluke losses, which he avenged, never ducked anyone, cleaned out the division and did beat alot of top class oppesition along the way and retire as champ, he gets into top 10 without doubt.
Lewis ducked Byrd. gave up one of his belts rather than fight him, that's a duck. what makes it funny to me is that he called Bowe a coward and said Bowe disrespected the sport of boxing by giving up his belt rather than face him. then he turns around and does the same thing when Byrd became the #1 contender. kinda hypocriticle don't you think?
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Re: I think that Lewis is a top ten on the best heavies ever.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Patterson would of been one of finest Lightheavys ever but his chin was weak at hw but he had ton of heart thing is other than Ingemar who else did he beat ??
Just a bunch of obscure guys Moore, Chuvalo, Cooper, Bonavena.
No one that really mattered during THAT time.
Moore was like 40 + wasn't he way past it Oscar was ok aswell but he wasn't great i know he floored Frazier twice but Frazier was very green but Oscar had amazing chin Coopers rise to fame was knocking down Ali but other than that he was just middle of the road in boxing and again Oscar is just like Chuvalo great chin but not great skills or anything else just a brawler.
Wait a minute but just a few weeks ago you were praising them for what they had done to Ali.
Now they are flawed and were just OK fighters?
Fact of the matter is during the time THOSE were the top guys around if you notice they almost all show up on the records of the top Heavys of those days but ONLY the best beat them.
Sorry but when did i praise Chuvalo and Oscar ???
They were tough brawlers and nothing more
And Cooper was good at domestic level and that was it
And Moore was a grandfather.
They were only contenders nothing more and them names don't get you into top 10 hws and im not even sure they were ever top 5 contenders anyway maybe Oscar was once and only once but none of the others were i don't believe.
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Re: I think that Lewis is a top ten on the best heavies ever.
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Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
considering he had two fluke losses, which he avenged, never ducked anyone, cleaned out the division and did beat alot of top class oppesition along the way and retire as champ, he gets into top 10 without doubt.
Lewis ducked Byrd. gave up one of his belts rather than fight him, that's a duck. what makes it funny to me is that he called Bowe a coward and said Bowe disrespected the sport of boxing by giving up his belt rather than face him. then he turns around and does the same thing when Byrd became the #1 contender. kinda hypocriticle don't you think?
:lolhaha: oh yea he was real scared of Byrd after what Wlad done to him ::**
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Re: I think that Lewis is a top ten on the best heavies ever.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Patterson would of been one of finest Lightheavys ever but his chin was weak at hw but he had ton of heart thing is other than Ingemar who else did he beat ??
Just a bunch of obscure guys Moore, Chuvalo, Cooper, Bonavena.
No one that really mattered during THAT time.
Moore was like 40 + wasn't he way past it Oscar was ok aswell but he wasn't great i know he floored Frazier twice but Frazier was very green but Oscar had amazing chin Coopers rise to fame was knocking down Ali but other than that he was just middle of the road in boxing and again Oscar is just like Chuvalo great chin but not great skills or anything else just a brawler.
Wait a minute but just a few weeks ago you were praising them for what they had done to Ali.
Now they are flawed and were just OK fighters?
Fact of the matter is during the time THOSE were the top guys around if you notice they almost all show up on the records of the top Heavys of those days but ONLY the best beat them.
Sorry but when did i praise Chuvalo and Oscar ???
They were tough brawlers and nothing more
And Cooper was good at domestic level and that was it
And Moore was a grandfather.
They were only contenders nothing more and them names don't get you into top 10 hws and im not even sure they were ever top 5 contenders anyway maybe Oscar was once and only once but none of the others were i don't believe.
You praised them in the sense that you were listing fighters with whom Ali struggled with and mentioned ALL the trouble Ali had with them and so on and so on.
You praised them in that sense.
I think it's in one of those looooong as Ali threads....
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Re: I think that Lewis is a top ten on the best heavies ever.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by EastonAssassin
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Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
considering he had two fluke losses, which he avenged, never ducked anyone, cleaned out the division and did beat alot of top class oppesition along the way and retire as champ, he gets into top 10 without doubt.
Lewis ducked Byrd. gave up one of his belts rather than fight him, that's a duck. what makes it funny to me is that he called Bowe a coward and said Bowe disrespected the sport of boxing by giving up his belt rather than face him. then he turns around and does the same thing when Byrd became the #1 contender. kinda hypocriticle don't you think?
:lolhaha: oh yea he was real scared of Byrd after what Wlad done to him ::**
still doesn't take away the fact that he did the axact same thing he berated Bowe for doing. Byrd was a bad matchup for him. any fighter that showed movement and didn't stand there and let him tee off, gave him a lot of problems. Lewis was never good at moving his feet and cutting off the ring. McCall, Rahman, and a washed up Holyfield who for some reason took him 24 rounds proved that. not saying Byrd would have beat him but his style made Lewis avoid him.
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I don't think i mentioned them but he never had any trouble with Moore or Chuvalo the Oscar fight was little bit of a struggle but Ali was very stale in that fight and still knocked him down 3 times if i did mention them then i was having dumb moment at that time lol i go through them patches like everyone does ;)
Actually i remember mentioning Cooper but only struggle Ali had was knockdown he was always in control of the fight.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by EastonAssassin
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Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
considering he had two fluke losses, which he avenged, never ducked anyone, cleaned out the division and did beat alot of top class oppesition along the way and retire as champ, he gets into top 10 without doubt.
Lewis ducked Byrd. gave up one of his belts rather than fight him, that's a duck. what makes it funny to me is that he called Bowe a coward and said Bowe disrespected the sport of boxing by giving up his belt rather than face him. then he turns around and does the same thing when Byrd became the #1 contender. kinda hypocriticle don't you think?
:lolhaha: oh yea he was real scared of Byrd after what Wlad done to him ::**
still doesn't take away the fact that he did the axact same thing he berated Bowe for doing. Byrd was a bad matchup for him. any fighter that showed movement and didn't stand there and let him tee off, gave him a lot of problems. Lewis was never good at moving his feet and cutting off the ring. McCall, Rahman, and a washed up Holyfield who for some reason took him 24 rounds proved that. not saying Byrd would have beat him but his style made Lewis avoid him.
Byrd was easy match up for him Lewis was alot bigger had the jab to win actually he had everything to beat Byrd just like Wlad done twice beat him to a pulp and actually i think i remember this there was choice of fighting Byrd or Grant wasn't it ?? and he chose Grant who was undefeated and beat Golota i would of chose Grant aswell bigger fight bigger money.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by EastonAssassin
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by EastonAssassin
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Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
considering he had two fluke losses, which he avenged, never ducked anyone, cleaned out the division and did beat alot of top class oppesition along the way and retire as champ, he gets into top 10 without doubt.
Lewis ducked Byrd. gave up one of his belts rather than fight him, that's a duck. what makes it funny to me is that he called Bowe a coward and said Bowe disrespected the sport of boxing by giving up his belt rather than face him. then he turns around and does the same thing when Byrd became the #1 contender. kinda hypocriticle don't you think?
:lolhaha: oh yea he was real scared of Byrd after what Wlad done to him ::**
still doesn't take away the fact that he did the axact same thing he berated Bowe for doing. Byrd was a bad matchup for him. any fighter that showed movement and didn't stand there and let him tee off, gave him a lot of problems. Lewis was never good at moving his feet and cutting off the ring. McCall, Rahman, and a washed up Holyfield who for some reason took him 24 rounds proved that. not saying Byrd would have beat him but his style made Lewis avoid him.
Byrd was easy match up for him Lewis was alot bigger had the jab to win actually he had everything to beat Byrd just like Wlad done twice beat him to a pulp and actually i think i remember this there was choice of fighting Byrd or Grant wasn't it ?? and he chose Grant who was undefeated and beat Golota i would of chose Grant aswell bigger fight bigger money.
Vlad is more mobile than Lewis. and as far as Grant goes, his record was bloated, he was very inexperienced, and did exactly what Lewis liked, just stood there and allow Lewis to tee off. Byrd would've made him move his feet and cut off the ring. i know you Lewis fans hate to admit it but those were his 2 biggest weaknesses. he HATED to move his feet and that's why he never gave Byrd his title shot.
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if i did mention them then i was having dumb moment at that time lol i go through them patches like everyone does ;)
If anyone here knows about this it's me. ;) ;D
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if i did mention them then i was having dumb moment at that time lol i go through them patches like everyone does ;)
If anyone here knows about this it's me. ;) ;D
;D
Nah your good poster though only time i saw you talk jibberish was when you was drunk for Oscar vs Mayweather fight.
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Man when i hear aperson say that lewis was afraid of fighting Byrd i question his knowledge of boxing.
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Man when i hear aperson say that lewis was afraid of fighting Byrd i question his knowledge of boxing.
you can flip and mode the facts anyway you want...lol. the facts remain he gave up one of his belts to fight a young, over-rated, inexperience, immobile fighter in Grant rather than fight the #1 contender in Byrd who EARNED his shot. the very thing he rediculed Bowe for doing when he throw his WBC belt in the garbage rather than face Lewis. those are the hard facts. you may not like them but that doesn't change them...lol.
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Re: I think that Lewis is a top ten on the best heavies ever.
I still don't get this love affair people have for Lewis, he was an okay champion but an all time great? He got flattened by a couple of ordinary guys and got a gift against Holyfield in fight 2, yet he is regarded as a top ten all time HW champ.
I'm going to watch a few of his fights again, I must have missed something!
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I still don't get this love affair people have for Lewis, he was an okay champion but an all time great? He got flattened by a couple of ordinary guys and got a gift against Holyfield in fight 2, yet he is regarded as a top ten all time HW champ.
I'm going to watch a few of his fights again, I must have missed something!
i agree exactly. he was GOOD but nowhere near great. he didn't just get beat by McCall and Rahman, he got stretched out. i would liked to have seen a trilogy with Rahman but of course, Lewis turned it down. i wonder why. he was losing against Vitali but got lucky because of the cuts. did he agree to a rematch that would have paid him over 30 million dollars? no, he ran into retirement. i guess that passes as an all time great nowadays...lol.
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I still don't get this love affair people have for Lewis, he was an okay champion but an all time great? He got flattened by a couple of ordinary guys and got a gift against Holyfield in fight 2, yet he is regarded as a top ten all time HW champ.
I'm going to watch a few of his fights again, I must have missed something!
i agree exactly. he was GOOD but nowhere near great. he didn't just get beat by McCall and Rahman, he got stretched out. i would liked to have seen a trilogy with Rahman but of course, Lewis turned it down. i wonder why. he was losing against Vitali but got lucky because of the cuts. did he agree to a rematch that would have paid him over 30 million dollars? no, he ran into retirement. i guess that passes as an all time great nowadays...lol.
You got It! ;D
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I still don't get this love affair people have for Lewis, he was an okay champion but an all time great? He got flattened by a couple of ordinary guys and got a gift against Holyfield in fight 2, yet he is regarded as a top ten all time HW champ.
I'm going to watch a few of his fights again, I must have missed something!
i agree exactly. he was GOOD but nowhere near great. he didn't just get beat by McCall and Rahman, he got stretched out. i would liked to have seen a trilogy with Rahman but of course, Lewis turned it down. i wonder why. he was losing against Vitali but got lucky because of the cuts. did he agree to a rematch that would have paid him over 30 million dollars? no, he ran into retirement. i guess that passes as an all time great nowadays...lol.
It's quite easy to equate whether Lewis is a top 10 great of all time.
Are there 10 other fighters with his resume, who have dominated their division, beaten ever man they face and been universally recognized undisputed champion?
answer -NO
Like I have said so many times, there really haven't been many truly dominant champions in history.
Also:
Getiing Koed with what were huge punches (and McCall's was lucky ;)) is no disgrace in a heavyweight fight
It's a lot less damaging to a lefgacy than getting outclassed and outboxed for 12 rounds, which NEVER happend to Lewis ;)
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Re: I think that Lewis is a top ten on the best heavies ever.
also remeber that Only Ali, Foreman & Frazier (out of the usualy top 10 suspects) fought in a better era of heavyweights than Lewis - and if you disagree with that I'd like to see who else did ;)
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Re: I think that Lewis is a top ten on the best heavies ever.
I'm no Lewis fan actually 1st I'm a Vitali fan and if you go thru my posts you can clearly see that.
But I can still see and say that Lewis DOES belong in the top 10 Heavys of all time.
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I'm no Lewis fan actually 1st I'm a Vitali fan and if you go thru my posts you can clearly see that.
But I can still see and say that Lewis DOES belong in the top 10 Heavys of all time.
Thats' called being 'objective' nuff respect ;D
I am a Lewis fan, but I also found him boring and frustrating at times and thought he could give so much more, but yeh on achievment , he has to be top 10, becuase 10 others haven't achieved what he did or in an era as good as his
