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Wladimir has the ability to be KO'd by all of them.How about that.
I completely agree :)
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Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Wladimir has the ability to KO all of them.How about that.
Yes but he wouldn't.
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Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Wladimir has the ability to be KO'd by all of them.How about that.
I completely agree :)
Hey wait a minute. ;)
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Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Wladimir has the ability to KO all of them.How about that.
Yes but he wouldn't.
And why is this do they have force fields? ::**
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Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Wladimir has the ability to KO all of them.How about that.
Yes but he wouldn't.
And why is this do they have force fields? ::**
No but does Wlad ?? jeez Wlad is decent thats it decent he hasn't even dominated weakest era of hws yet and has been koed by Sanders for crying out loud the guy who likes golf more than boxing most on that list would tear Wlad apart.
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Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Wladimir has the ability to KO all of them.How about that.
Yes but he wouldn't.
And why is this do they have force fields? ::**
No but does Wlad ?? jeez Wlad is decent thats it decent he hasn't even dominated weakest era of hws yet and has been koed by Sanders for crying out loud the guy who likes golf more than boxing most on that list would tear Wlad apart.
I don't get it why getting caught by a huge shot by Sanders(a huge puncher)has anything to do with fighting a small light hitting Ali has anything to do with each other?I would love to see Ali take that same shot. ::**
I would love to see Wladimir fight the 200lb guys Ali dined on, talk about a cake walk.Wladimir has been facing guys consistantly over 230lbs with the majority in the 240lb range and some in the 260's!When you are that size you can hit.
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Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Wladimir has the ability to KO all of them.How about that.
Yes but he wouldn't.
And why is this do they have force fields? ::**
No but does Wlad ?? jeez Wlad is decent thats it decent he hasn't even dominated weakest era of hws yet and has been koed by Sanders for crying out loud the guy who likes golf more than boxing most on that list would tear Wlad apart.
I don't get it why getting caught by a huge shot by Sanders(a huge puncher)has anything to do with fighting a small light hitting Ali has anything to do with each other?I would love to see Ali take that same shot. ::**
21 fights into ali's career he had 18 ko's and the shot that frazier hit ali with would've had wlad down for the count. You're trying to make the case for the wrong klitschko. If you wanna make an arguement over which one would beat up on the ATG's, i'd suggest going with vitali.
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This is getting silly now im not bringing up Ali why do you keep bringing him up and for record Ali has been hit by hardest hitting hws of all time and still wasn't koed Wlad is decent thats it.
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Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
This is getting silly now im not bring up Ali why do you keep bringing him up and for record Ali has been hit by hardest hitting hws of all time and still wasn't koed Wlad is decent thats it.
Once again was this proven that they hit harder than Wladimir?Was it measured or something?There is a difference when you are Wladimir's size as a heavyweight and a guy like Joe Louis, who do you really think hits harder?
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Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
This is getting silly now im not bring up Ali why do you keep bringing him up and for record Ali has been hit by hardest hitting hws of all time and still wasn't koed Wlad is decent thats it.
Once again was this proven that they hit harder than Wladimir?Was it measured or something?There is a difference when you are Wladimir's size as a heavyweight and a guy like Joe Louis, who do you really think hits harder?
Yes they do because i've seen when they fight and Shavers and Foreman both hit harder Wlads chin is weak i mean badly weak and he isn't exactly hardest guy to hit even DaVarryl Williamson floored Wlad and Calvin Brock was pretty much even with Wlad until he got koed and he isn't good by any means.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
This is getting silly now im not bring up Ali why do you keep bringing him up and for record Ali has been hit by hardest hitting hws of all time and still wasn't koed Wlad is decent thats it.
Once again was this proven that they hit harder than Wladimir?Was it measured or something?There is a difference when you are Wladimir's size as a heavyweight and a guy like Joe Louis, who do you really think hits harder?
Yes they do because i've seen when they fight and Shavers and Foreman both hit harder Wlads chin is weak i mean badly weak and he isn't exactly hardest guy to hit even DaVarryl Williamson floored Wlad and Calvin Brock was pretty much even with Wlad until he got koed and he isn't good by any means.
So just by watching them fight guys Wladimir has never fought you can tell they hit harder?Not a very compelling statement.
I won't go into that Williamson knock down because that was a joke, he was backpedalling and off balance and hopped right back up by the count of 2.
The Brock fight Wladimir was on cruise control until Manny told him to take care of business in round 7 and you saw what happened.
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Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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This is getting silly now im not bring up Ali why do you keep bringing him up and for record Ali has been hit by hardest hitting hws of all time and still wasn't koed Wlad is decent thats it.
Once again was this proven that they hit harder than Wladimir?Was it measured or something?There is a difference when you are Wladimir's size as a heavyweight and a guy like Joe Louis, who do you really think hits harder?
Yes they do because i've seen when they fight and Shavers and Foreman both hit harder Wlads chin is weak i mean badly weak and he isn't exactly hardest guy to hit even DaVarryl Williamson floored Wlad and Calvin Brock was pretty much even with Wlad until he got koed and he isn't good by any means.
So just by watching them fight guys Wladimir has never fought you can tell they hit harder?Not a very compelling statement.
I won't go into that Williamson knock down because that was a joke, he was backpedalling and off balance and hopped right back up by the count of 2.
The Brock fight Wladimir was on cruise control until Manny told him to take care of business in round 7 and you saw what happened.
Well most would agree with me that Foreman and Shavers hit harder as i say again Wlad is decent and you may change your opinion of him after his career is finished i personally think Vitali has better shot at atg that Wlad has.
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Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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This is getting silly now im not bring up Ali why do you keep bringing him up and for record Ali has been hit by hardest hitting hws of all time and still wasn't koed Wlad is decent thats it.
Once again was this proven that they hit harder than Wladimir?Was it measured or something?There is a difference when you are Wladimir's size as a heavyweight and a guy like Joe Louis, who do you really think hits harder?
Yes they do because i've seen when they fight and Shavers and Foreman both hit harder Wlads chin is weak i mean badly weak and he isn't exactly hardest guy to hit even DaVarryl Williamson floored Wlad and Calvin Brock was pretty much even with Wlad until he got koed and he isn't good by any means.
Calvin Brock has absolutely no chance against Wlad. I never thought he had a prayer. Wald was buying his time. He was like a mouse in a snake's cage. A sacrificial lamb that some moron somwhere thought could box. Boxing banker. what a joke. When he hit the ground he was so limp it was like someone shot him.
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Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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This is getting silly now im not bring up Ali why do you keep bringing him up and for record Ali has been hit by hardest hitting hws of all time and still wasn't koed Wlad is decent thats it.
Once again was this proven that they hit harder than Wladimir?Was it measured or something?There is a difference when you are Wladimir's size as a heavyweight and a guy like Joe Louis, who do you really think hits harder?
Yes they do because i've seen when they fight and Shavers and Foreman both hit harder Wlads chin is weak i mean badly weak and he isn't exactly hardest guy to hit even DaVarryl Williamson floored Wlad and Calvin Brock was pretty much even with Wlad until he got koed and he isn't good by any means.
So just by watching them fight guys Wladimir has never fought you can tell they hit harder?Not a very compelling statement.
I won't go into that Williamson knock down because that was a joke, he was backpedalling and off balance and hopped right back up by the count of 2.
The Brock fight Wladimir was on cruise control until Manny told him to take care of business in round 7 and you saw what happened.
Well most would agree with me that Foreman and Shavers hit harder as i say again Wlad is decent and you may change your opinion of him after his career is finished i personally think Vitali has better shot at atg that Wlad has.
Just because people believe something it doesn't make it a fact.A lot of people believe in UFO's and the Sasquaches it doesn't make them real.
And you might change your opinion of him after he retires. ;D
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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It is almost comical how people think Ali would mop the floor with Wladimir.Without ANY COMPARABLE fighter from his era to go by there is no way you can come to that conclusion.The guys Wladimir has lost to are MUCH bigger punchers than Ali except for Puritty but that was more from inexperience going 12 rounds than anything.Nobody had the physical abilities of Wladimir back then NOBODY.
Foreman would beat him senseless..... ;) your right though, it takes great athleticism to flail around like a retard when you get hit on the chin like that.... Those mentioned Heavies were professinal fighters with heart, determination and steely will..... Wlad has yet to demonstrate those abilities...
I can tell you are being very diplomatic about this. ::**I personally like to rely on facts rather than just believe Ali would beat everyone because he is the self proclaimed greatest of all time.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.Foreman could punch but was not effecient with his punches and they were very wide shots.Wladimir throws much straighter shots and much faster.I could go on and on but if you don't like Wladimir I am not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
cc Klitschkofan They hate the ko brothers so they will talk them down with fighters from the past(fighters they know he will never face), throw in their losses from the past and talk down their wins"had Peter had more experiance he(Wlad) would'nt have got by him". Well he did and Samuel Peter's slow A S S won't get past him next time either no matter how much or what he has learned.Everyone acts like or thinks Wlad just sits on his ass waiting for the next fight while Peter is training his ass off. Everyone thinks (hopes)Wlad will make the same mistakes, well they will see Wlad did his homework Lamon Brewster will lose. Peace out
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Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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This is getting silly now im not bring up Ali why do you keep bringing him up and for record Ali has been hit by hardest hitting hws of all time and still wasn't koed Wlad is decent thats it.
Once again was this proven that they hit harder than Wladimir?Was it measured or something?There is a difference when you are Wladimir's size as a heavyweight and a guy like Joe Louis, who do you really think hits harder?
Yes they do because i've seen when they fight and Shavers and Foreman both hit harder Wlads chin is weak i mean badly weak and he isn't exactly hardest guy to hit even DaVarryl Williamson floored Wlad and Calvin Brock was pretty much even with Wlad until he got koed and he isn't good by any means.
So just by watching them fight guys Wladimir has never fought you can tell they hit harder?Not a very compelling statement.
I won't go into that Williamson knock down because that was a joke, he was backpedalling and off balance and hopped right back up by the count of 2.
The Brock fight Wladimir was on cruise control until Manny told him to take care of business in round 7 and you saw what happened.
Well most would agree with me that Foreman and Shavers hit harder as i say again Wlad is decent and you may change your opinion of him after his career is finished i personally think Vitali has better shot at atg that Wlad has.
Just because people believe something it doesn't make it a fact.A lot of people believe in UFO's and the Sasquaches it doesn't make them real.
And you might change your opinion of him after he retires. ;D
Well when you ask boxing experts who they consider hardest hitting hws of all time your get Shavers Foreman Tyson pop up like i said again Wlad is decent hw with a bad chin and all his kos have been against fighters where he expected to win if Wlad had better chin he would stand better chance but im sorry when boxer who has decent skills but isn't very hard to hit and has weak chin against ATG that sounds like disaster to me.
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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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It is almost comical how people think Ali would mop the floor with Wladimir.Without ANY COMPARABLE fighter from his era to go by there is no way you can come to that conclusion.The guys Wladimir has lost to are MUCH bigger punchers than Ali except for Puritty but that was more from inexperience going 12 rounds than anything.Nobody had the physical abilities of Wladimir back then NOBODY.
Foreman would beat him senseless..... ;) your right though, it takes great athleticism to flail around like a retard when you get hit on the chin like that.... Those mentioned Heavies were professinal fighters with heart, determination and steely will..... Wlad has yet to demonstrate those abilities...
I can tell you are being very diplomatic about this. ::**I personally like to rely on facts rather than just believe Ali would beat everyone because he is the self proclaimed greatest of all time.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.Foreman could punch but was not effecient with his punches and they were very wide shots.Wladimir throws much straighter shots and much faster.I could go on and on but if you don't like Wladimir I am not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
cc Klitschkofan They hate the ko brothers so they will talk them down with fighters from the past(fighters they know he will never face), throw in their losses from the past and talk down their wins"had Peter had more experiance he(Wlad) would'nt have got by him". Well he did and Samuel Peter's slow A S S won't get past him next time either no matter how much or what he has learned.Everyone acts like or thinks Wlad just sits on his a** waiting for the next fight while Peter is training his a** off. Everyone thinks (hopes)Wlad will make the same mistakes, well they will see Wlad did his homework Lamon Brewster will lose. Peace out
No one hates anyone so stop assuming i actually quite like the brothers and i think Punisher does aswell but none of them are anything special one brother has good skills with badly weak chin and stamina problems and other brother fights robotic and hasn't got the skills of his brother Wlad.
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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It is almost comical how people think Ali would mop the floor with Wladimir.Without ANY COMPARABLE fighter from his era to go by there is no way you can come to that conclusion.The guys Wladimir has lost to are MUCH bigger punchers than Ali except for Puritty but that was more from inexperience going 12 rounds than anything.Nobody had the physical abilities of Wladimir back then NOBODY.
Foreman would beat him senseless..... ;) your right though, it takes great athleticism to flail around like a retard when you get hit on the chin like that.... Those mentioned Heavies were professinal fighters with heart, determination and steely will..... Wlad has yet to demonstrate those abilities...
I can tell you are being very diplomatic about this. ::**I personally like to rely on facts rather than just believe Ali would beat everyone because he is the self proclaimed greatest of all time.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.Foreman could punch but was not effecient with his punches and they were very wide shots.Wladimir throws much straighter shots and much faster.I could go on and on but if you don't like Wladimir I am not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
cc Klitschkofan They hate the ko brothers so they will talk them down with fighters from the past(fighters they know he will never face), throw in their losses from the past and talk down their wins"had Peter had more experiance he(Wlad) would'nt have got by him". Well he did and Samuel Peter's slow A S S won't get past him next time either no matter how much or what he has learned.Everyone acts like or thinks Wlad just sits on his a** waiting for the next fight while Peter is training his a** off. Everyone thinks (hopes)Wlad will make the same mistakes, well they will see Wlad did his homework Lamon Brewster will lose. Peace out
Yea that is true they do bring up fighters from the past who they say could beat him and there is no way to prove otherwise because they are either dead or to old to fight! ;D
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Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
Wladimer always has a chance . great right hand. it comes off fast and accurate .
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Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
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It is almost comical how people think Ali would mop the floor with Wladimir.Without ANY COMPARABLE fighter from his era to go by there is no way you can come to that conclusion.The guys Wladimir has lost to are MUCH bigger punchers than Ali except for Puritty but that was more from inexperience going 12 rounds than anything.Nobody had the physical abilities of Wladimir back then NOBODY.
Foreman would beat him senseless..... ;) your right though, it takes great athleticism to flail around like a retard when you get hit on the chin like that.... Those mentioned Heavies were professinal fighters with heart, determination and steely will..... Wlad has yet to demonstrate those abilities...
I can tell you are being very diplomatic about this. ::**I personally like to rely on facts rather than just believe Ali would beat everyone because he is the self proclaimed greatest of all time.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.Foreman could punch but was not effecient with his punches and they were very wide shots.Wladimir throws much straighter shots and much faster.I could go on and on but if you don't like Wladimir I am not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
cc Klitschkofan They hate the ko brothers so they will talk them down with fighters from the past(fighters they know he will never face), throw in their losses from the past and talk down their wins"had Peter had more experiance he(Wlad) would'nt have got by him". Well he did and Samuel Peter's slow A S S won't get past him next time either no matter how much or what he has learned.Everyone acts like or thinks Wlad just sits on his a** waiting for the next fight while Peter is training his a** off. Everyone thinks (hopes)Wlad will make the same mistakes, well they will see Wlad did his homework Lamon Brewster will lose. Peace out
No one hates anyone so stop assuming i actually quite like the brothers and i think Punisher does aswell but none of them are anything special one brother has good skills with badly weak chin and stamina problems and other brother fights robotic and hasn't got the skills of his brother Wlad.
I always love the robotic style comment because robots are the most efficient invention in history!Vitali did have a way of efficiently KOing his foes. ;D
What no clever comeback?The truth is hard to argue with.
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Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
Clever comeback for what ?? that you made a joke about him being robotic when truth is he is seems like your trying to convince yourself so i think truth is harder for you than it is for me.
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
I could go on and on but if you don't like Wladimir I am not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
Listen Bro... You say Wlad is skilled.. I agree to some extent he is, but the guys mentioned never have been embarrased 3x in their prime like Klitschko... Each time Klits stock rises to its peak he gets crushed and plummets again... Its fair to be skeptical of a guy who has dissapointed 3x already, by fighters that dont have a fraction of his skill... It takes more than skill to win a fight. It takes guts, heart, balls determination etc
He lacks that fire test, that war of attricion... When faced with adversity he has folded... not to mention he has a propensity to fight very tentatively and gets spooked easily.. Until he can prove otherwise, I shall still remain skeptical of the King of the weak Heavyweight er.a
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I could go on and on but if you don't like Wladimir I am not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
Listen Bro... You say Wlad is skilled.. I agree to some extent he is, but the guys mentioned never have been embarrased 3x in their prime like Klitschko... Each time Klits stock rises to its peak he gets crushed and plummets again... Its fair to be skeptical of a guy who has dissapointed 3x already, by fighters that dont have a fraction of his skill... It takes more than skill to win a fight. It takes guts, heart, balls determination etc
He lacks that fire test, that war of attricion... When faced with adversity he has folded... not to mention he has a propensity to fight very tentatively and gets spooked easily.. Until he can prove otherwise, I shall still remain skeptical of the King of the weak Heavyweight er.a
Agreed well said cc in 24.
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Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
I think he could beat Tunney, Tyson and Lewis.
Against the rest he would lose for sure
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I think he could beat Tunney, Tyson and Lewis.
Against the rest he would lose for sure
Are you kidding mate ?? prime Tyson would mop floor with Wlad and Lewis even though suspect chin has much better chin than Wlad and would also ko him early Tunney i agree on because he is way too small.
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They hate the ko brothers so they will talk them down
I actually like Vitali and am a huge fan of his.... when faced with adversity he stood his ground and showed heart, determination and courage despite missing a chunk out of his brow... Vitali has everything it takes to be a bona fied long reigning unified champ....
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Tyson had a problem with HW with a steady jab and a big right hand. And he will be outweighed by more then enough pounds
Back in the day i was a huge Tyson fan but there were always flaws waiting to be detected
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Yes they do because i've seen when they fight and Shavers and Foreman both hit harder Wlads chin is weak i mean badly weak and he isn't exactly hardest guy to hit even DaVarryl Williamson floored Wlad and Calvin Brock was pretty much even with Wlad until he got koed and he isn't good by any means.
Hate to disagree but Wlad has never been KO'd only TKO'd....he always gets back up.
I think Wlad COULD take punches like Vitali if he had the experience of Vitali, like the kickboxing and the fact they took the Russian basketball players and let them wail on Vitali....I don't think it ever happened with Wladimir.
Wlad can take a punch, he just doesn't know what to do afterwards....sure he gets knocked down more than most but in comparison to how Lennox Lewis took a punch I'd say he's about on par except Lewis used his size to his advantage when he was hurt.
As for the Williamson fight, DW threw a good punch at a good time and it still didn't KO Wlad and there are a bunch of fucking idiots out there who think Wlad intentionally got cut to stop the fight.
and the Brock fight, Calvin is a difficult fighter to attack....sure he got knocked down by his last opponent but still won fairly easy. Brock is a good fighter I think his fight vs Wlad says more good about Calvin than it does bad about Wlad. Calvin lasted 7 rounds, that's pretty good IMO vs such a big power puncher.
What more do you want ICB? The guy fights hard he dominates and he KO's people! He fought Chris Byrd when no one wanted him (the first time not the rematch), he fought AN UNDEFEATED SAM PETER when no one wanted to fight him and everyone thought he was the next big thing....and he flat out crushed both of them
Go watch your Shannon Briggs and appreciate that!
I'm not going to call Wladimir the best ever, he's far from that right now but at his age and with his record he could be considered a great at the end of his career providing he does certain things.
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It is almost comical how people think Ali would mop the floor with Wladimir.Without ANY COMPARABLE fighter from his era to go by there is no way you can come to that conclusion.The guys Wladimir has lost to are MUCH bigger punchers than Ali except for Puritty but that was more from inexperience going 12 rounds than anything.Nobody had the physical abilities of Wladimir back then NOBODY.
Foreman would beat him senseless..... ;) your right though, it takes great athleticism to flail around like a retard when you get hit on the chin like that.... Those mentioned Heavies were professinal fighters with heart, determination and steely will..... Wlad has yet to demonstrate those abilities...
I can tell you are being very diplomatic about this. ::**I personally like to rely on facts rather than just believe Ali would beat everyone because he is the self proclaimed greatest of all time.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.Foreman could punch but was not effecient with his punches and they were very wide shots.Wladimir throws much straighter shots and much faster.I could go on and on but if you don't like Wladimir I am not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
cc Klitschkofan They hate the ko brothers so they will talk them down with fighters from the past(fighters they know he will never face), throw in their losses from the past and talk down their wins"had Peter had more experiance he(Wlad) would'nt have got by him". Well he did and Samuel Peter's slow A S S won't get past him next time either no matter how much or what he has learned.Everyone acts like or thinks Wlad just sits on his a** waiting for the next fight while Peter is training his a** off. Everyone thinks (hopes)Wlad will make the same mistakes, well they will see Wlad did his homework Lamon Brewster will lose. Peace out
No one hates anyone so stop assuming i actually quite like the brothers and i think Punisher does aswell but none of them are anything special one brother has good skills with badly weak chin and stamina problems and other brother fights robotic and hasn't got the skills of his brother Wlad.
I always love the robotic style comment because robots are the most efficient invention in history!Vitali did have a way of efficiently KOing his foes. ;D
What no clever comeback?The truth is hard to argue with.
One thing for sure Vitali pounds opponents as hard as a robot just look at the ko percentage W 35 (34 ko's)
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Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Yes they do because i've seen when they fight and Shavers and Foreman both hit harder Wlads chin is weak i mean badly weak and he isn't exactly hardest guy to hit even DaVarryl Williamson floored Wlad and Calvin Brock was pretty much even with Wlad until he got koed and he isn't good by any means.
Hate to disagree but Wlad has never been KO'd only TKO'd....he always gets back up.
I think Wlad COULD take punches like Vitali if he had the experience of Vitali, like the kickboxing and the fact they took the Russian basketball players and let them wail on Vitali....I don't think it ever happened with Wladimir.
Wlad can take a punch, he just doesn't know what to do afterwards....sure he gets knocked down more than most but in comparison to how Lennox Lewis took a punch I'd say he's about on par except Lewis used his size to his advantage when he was hurt.
As for the Williamson fight, DW threw a good punch at a good time and it still didn't KO Wlad and there are a bunch of F****** idiots out there who think Wlad intentionally got cut to stop the fight.
and the Brock fight, Calvin is a difficult fighter to attack....sure he got knocked down by his last opponent but still won fairly easy. Brock is a good fighter I think his fight vs Wlad says more good about Calvin than it does bad about Wlad. Calvin lasted 7 rounds, that's pretty good IMO vs such a big power puncher.
What more do you want ICB? The guy fights hard he dominates and he KO's people! He fought Chris Byrd when no one wanted him (the first time not the rematch), he fought AN UNDEFEATED SAM PETER when no one wanted to fight him and everyone thought he was the next big thing....and he flat out crushed both of them
Go watch your Shannon Briggs and appreciate that!
I'm not going to call Wladimir the best ever, he's far from that right now but at his age and with his record he could be considered a great at the end of his career providing he does certain things.
So your saying Wlad could take a punch like Vitali ?? don't make me laugh Lyle when someone has weak chin they have weak chin nothing will change that and this comment i don't understand
Go watch your Shannon Briggs and appreciate that!
When i hate Briggs and why is he being brought up anyway this is Wlad vs the greats and to be honest Lyle Wlad is decent hw with good right hand and jab with weak chin and stamina problems and in 70s and 90s i doubt he would win a belt.
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Tyson had a problem with HW with a steady jab and a big right hand. And he will be outweighed by more then enough pounds
Back in the day i was a huge Tyson fan but there were always flaws waiting to be detected
Wlad is easily intimidated and dosent deal with pressure well.... Tyson was iron chinned, constantly moving forward throwing Combo's.... That dosent bode well for a china chinned Klitschko, who would be flailing around the ring as Tyson snapped his head off like a Pez dispenser with those uppercuts as Klit was trying to hold on for dear life...
Manny would have to put a diaper on Wlad cause he would be shitting and pissing his pants staring across the ring watching an angry Tyson pace back in forth like a caged lion before the fight started
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Yes they do because i've seen when they fight and Shavers and Foreman both hit harder Wlads chin is weak i mean badly weak and he isn't exactly hardest guy to hit even DaVarryl Williamson floored Wlad and Calvin Brock was pretty much even with Wlad until he got koed and he isn't good by any means.
Hate to disagree but Wlad has never been KO'd only TKO'd....he always gets back up.
I think Wlad COULD take punches like Vitali if he had the experience of Vitali, like the kickboxing and the fact they took the Russian basketball players and let them wail on Vitali....I don't think it ever happened with Wladimir.
Wlad can take a punch, he just doesn't know what to do afterwards....sure he gets knocked down more than most but in comparison to how Lennox Lewis took a punch I'd say he's about on par except Lewis used his size to his advantage when he was hurt.
As for the Williamson fight, DW threw a good punch at a good time and it still didn't KO Wlad and there are a bunch of F****** idiots out there who think Wlad intentionally got cut to stop the fight.
and the Brock fight, Calvin is a difficult fighter to attack....sure he got knocked down by his last opponent but still won fairly easy. Brock is a good fighter I think his fight vs Wlad says more good about Calvin than it does bad about Wlad. Calvin lasted 7 rounds, that's pretty good IMO vs such a big power puncher.
What more do you want ICB? The guy fights hard he dominates and he KO's people! He fought Chris Byrd when no one wanted him (the first time not the rematch), he fought AN UNDEFEATED SAM PETER when no one wanted to fight him and everyone thought he was the next big thing....and he flat out crushed both of them
Go watch your Shannon Briggs and appreciate that!
I'm not going to call Wladimir the best ever, he's far from that right now but at his age and with his record he could be considered a great at the end of his career providing he does certain things.
Thats a big CC for you Lyle.Alot of people refuse to see the obvious when they are blinded by dislike
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Yes they do because i've seen when they fight and Shavers and Foreman both hit harder Wlads chin is weak i mean badly weak and he isn't exactly hardest guy to hit even DaVarryl Williamson floored Wlad and Calvin Brock was pretty much even with Wlad until he got koed and he isn't good by any means.
Hate to disagree but Wlad has never been KO'd only TKO'd....he always gets back up.
I think Wlad COULD take punches like Vitali if he had the experience of Vitali, like the kickboxing and the fact they took the Russian basketball players and let them wail on Vitali....I don't think it ever happened with Wladimir.
Wlad can take a punch, he just doesn't know what to do afterwards....sure he gets knocked down more than most but in comparison to how Lennox Lewis took a punch I'd say he's about on par except Lewis used his size to his advantage when he was hurt.
As for the Williamson fight, DW threw a good punch at a good time and it still didn't KO Wlad and there are a bunch of F****** idiots out there who think Wlad intentionally got cut to stop the fight.
and the Brock fight, Calvin is a difficult fighter to attack....sure he got knocked down by his last opponent but still won fairly easy. Brock is a good fighter I think his fight vs Wlad says more good about Calvin than it does bad about Wlad. Calvin lasted 7 rounds, that's pretty good IMO vs such a big power puncher.
What more do you want ICB? The guy fights hard he dominates and he KO's people! He fought Chris Byrd when no one wanted him (the first time not the rematch), he fought AN UNDEFEATED SAM PETER when no one wanted to fight him and everyone thought he was the next big thing....and he flat out crushed both of them
Go watch your Shannon Briggs and appreciate that!
I'm not going to call Wladimir the best ever, he's far from that right now but at his age and with his record he could be considered a great at the end of his career providing he does certain things.
Thats a big CC for you Lyle.Alot of people refuse to see the obvious when they are blinded by dislike
Did you read anyones post ?? me and JT have both said we don't dislike the brothers and actually quite like them and if you bothered to read it then you wouldn't miss it and of course your agree with any great comments made about Wlad when i've never heard anything so funny in my life Wlad could take punches like Vitali when someone has weak chin they have weak chin maybe Morrison if he would of took up kickboxing or ect he would of had granite chin aswell ??
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Again what great display of courage has wlad ever showed?? And Lyle you are on of the biggest Tyson detractors cause you say he lacked heart and courage and Tyson never got up off the floor when in serious trouble to win, so there for he is no good to you...... BUT Wlad has not done this either but yet he is being force fed to us being something out of this world..... Sorry not buying into the bullshit... Wlad has 0 balls and 0 heart if he visited the wizard of OZ than I would be inclined to sway my opinion...... Wlad would lose to his prodecessors
Holyfield
Bowe
Holmes
Lewis
Morisson
Tyson
Old Foreman
New Foreman
Liston
Ali
Frazier
Shavers
Shit even all world chin Randall "Tex" Cobb could take Wlad late in a fight and take advantage of his stamina problems
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A healthy Vitali is easily 10 times better a boxer than wlad at any point in his career. If Vitali wasn't injury prone, a pus during the byrd fight, and cut against lewis we could very well be standing here calling him the most unstoppable heavyweight that has every been but thats not the case in reality. Point is Vitali and Wlad are like Peyton and Eli. Vitali is older tougher and more proven vs better competition while Wlad can have his moments and then fold when things get tough.
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Seems like the only people picking Wlad to beat those top ATG's are "klitschkofan", and "USA loves the klitschkos".... shocking.
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.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.
Thats very true, but at the same token Wlad has never fought someone with the footspeed, handspeed, jab, chin and ring generalship of Muhammad Ali.
Exactly my point.That is why there is no way to come to any reasonable conclusion because there is nothing to base it on.So you can't just believe Ali would beat him just because he was Ali.
Well you can base it on styles and what you've seen in the ring from Wlad and Ali. Personally I see where you are coming from, too many guys pick Ali (and other "old school" fighters) just because they are who they are, but in this case I believe a reasonable prediction can be made. I believe Ali's hand and foot speed would be too much for Wlad and his biggest assett (his size) would be made into his biggest weakness. I think Wlad would have a MUCH better change against a guy like Foreman or Tyson than a guy like Ali or Holmes.
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Seems like the only people picking Wlad to beat those top ATG's are "klitschkofan", and "USA loves the klitschkos".... shocking.
Maybey because we are the only ones who have seen all of his fights and know his potential.We weren't born Klitschko fans we became fans because we recognise talent when we see it, and it doesn't matter that he isn't from the U.S.A.Some people can't get past that fact so their judgement is clouded.
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.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.
Thats very true, but at the same token Wlad has never fought someone with the footspeed, handspeed, jab, chin and ring generalship of Muhammad Ali.
Exactly my point.That is why there is no way to come to any reasonable conclusion because there is nothing to base it on.So you can't just believe Ali would beat him just because he was Ali.
Well you can base it on styles and what you've seen in the ring from Wlad and Ali. Personally I see where you are coming from, too many guys pick Ali (and other "old school" fighters) just because they are who they are, but in this case I believe a reasonable prediction can be made. I believe Ali's hand and foot speed would be too much for Wlad and his biggest assett (his size) would be made into his biggest weakness. I think Wlad would have a MUCH better change against a guy like Foreman or Tyson than a guy like Ali or Holmes.
So you don't think Wladimir could land any punches on him?I dont think you are giving Wladimir much credit for his hand speed if you believe that.I might see your point if we were talking about Vitali but Wladimir is much quicker and puts his punches together very well.I just believe Wladimir is too big for a little guy like Ali.
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Not sure if I have commented on this thread because it's been running a little while & I think that I have missed it.
That being said...I honestly can't agree with the title...Wladimir isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats?
I totally disagree.
Wlad's one of the greats already even though he's got the losses that he has...all he needs to do is avenge a couple of them & he gains more momentum towards the big time.
There are no heavies out there right now that I don't think that he can't drop.
