Re: Who's worse for us CURRENT BOXING FANS? Oscar or Richard Schaffer?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I can understand you disliking Schafer and Oscar BestP4P but I don't see why so much dislike. Some of the best cards of last year and a couple this year have been presented to us by GBP.It offers another alternative to the monopoly by Arum and DK. So I don't really see what the problem is.
problem is bro........if u dont mind only seep gbp vs gbp fighters for the rest of your life then thats cool, but i dont! i wanna see gbp take on arums best, dk best etc etc
Re: Who's worse for us CURRENT BOXING FANS? Oscar or Richard Schaffer?
I understand where you are coming from but all promoters go to war at sometime or another. They aren't stupid. If the fight is likely to make $$$ then somewhere down the line,they will come to an agreement. I think as soon as this Manny saga is resolved, GBP will be more willing to do business with other promoters,most notably,Arum.
Re: Who's worse for us CURRENT BOXING FANS? Oscar or Richard Schaffer?
Hey P4P, what you're not realizing is that you're debating with GBP's target audience. These guys obviously believe anything they hear. Bottom line is that GBP is trying to monopolize the whole boxing industry and I as a fan have nothing to gain from it but having to wait an extra week to see a fight because all they want to do is put every one of their fighters on PPV.
Boxing used to be a gladiator sport but the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised to see these so-called business men fighters fighting wearing a suit. Arum is a great promoter and he brings guys up from nowhere. GBP on the other hand buys established fighters after the other promoters spent all those years grooming these fighters from nothing.
Re: Who's worse for us CURRENT BOXING FANS? Oscar or Richard Schaffer?
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Hey P4P, what you're not realizing is that you're debating with GBP's target audience. These guys obviously believe anything they hear. Bottom line is that GBP is trying to monopolize the whole boxing industry and I as a fan have nothing to gain from it but having to wait an extra week to see a fight because all they want to do is put every one of their fighters on PPV.
Boxing used to be a gladiator sport but the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised to see these so-called business men fighters fighting wearing a suit. Arum is a great promoter and he brings guys up from nowhere. GBP on the other hand buys established fighters after the other promoters spent all those years grooming these fighters from nothing.
CC for the REEEEEEEEAL TALK bro
Re: Who's worse for the sport of Boxing? Oscar or Richard Schaffer?
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Originally Posted by the wiz
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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by amat
Oscar has been the only promoter really so far to say that boxing is wrong and needs to be fixed, it's about the fighters not the promoters. Now whether he has been successful in trying to make it about the fighters and not the promoters is another question, but he certainly isn't bad for the sport.
Arum and King have been around for years and the last good thing either of them did was King's middleweight tournament 5 years ago. I'm sorry but I'm more comfortable with Oscar leading the way then anyone else.
I hope that Boxing Summit thing gets off to. Also, Oscar is the only promoter to come out in support of McCain's national commission which pretty much everyone knows we need.
Oscar claimed/promised ALOT and is doing the complete opposite by Fin over us fight fans and not letting pac fight JMM, MAB, Valero, Guzman, etc etc. OSCAR makes it very CLEAR that he would rather take ARUM to court and tie up these hungry prime fighters from fighting each other than settling out of court.
arum and don king while suing each other still gave us alot of super mega fights even while still in pending litigation.
OSCAR WILL NOT!
so whats good now bro?
It's call business and Arum no longer has any leverage with the single digit number of champions and prospects he has rightsto. Arum double talks and asks that his boxers generate the larger purse despite not being belt holders. Then he blames it on GBP. GBP meanwhile has plenty of fighter to showcase on PPV,HBO and HBO Latino boxing segments. What does Arum have.......I'll tell you ..... wimpers. It is not non Pac Man fans or GBP boxers fault that Pac Man continues to make managerial blunders.
To say Arum no longer has single digit champions and prospects in way out of bounds. Pac Man, Cotto, Margarito, Clotty, Chavez, Jr, Pavlik, Soto, JM Lopez, Arce, Castillo. I know this is only 10, but put this up against GBP fighters. Everyone talks how GBP is the future, they have Oscar, Mosely, Barrera, and Hopkins. These 4 prob only have a fight left. Besides that they have JM Marquez, Winky, Ponce-De-Leon, Barrios, Larrios. I think Top Rank definatley has the supperior fighters and better younger fighters.
cc...great post
Re: Who's worse for us CURRENT BOXING FANS? Oscar or Richard Schaffer?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I understand where you are coming from but all promoters go to war at sometime or another. They aren't stupid. If the fight is likely to make $$$ then somewhere down the line,they will come to an agreement. I think as soon as this Manny saga is resolved, GBP will be more willing to do business with other promoters,most notably,Arum.
hey bro i just like u want to see our best favorite fighters fight each other NOW or atleast sooner than later, thats all im saying bottom line bro. F litigation, F promoters gay drama, F all the BS and politics is what im saying bro. im sure u feel me.
more importantly u STILL need to get yo asss out here stateside so we can pimp all the dimes at the fights bro !
hollaaaaaaaaar
Re: Who's worse for us CURRENT BOXING FANS? Oscar or Richard Schaffer?
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Hey P4P, what you're not realizing is that you're debating with GBP's target audience. These guys obviously believe anything they hear. Bottom line is that GBP is trying to monopolize the whole boxing industry and I as a fan have nothing to gain from it but having to wait an extra week to see a fight because all they want to do is put every one of their fighters on PPV.
Boxing used to be a gladiator sport but the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised to see these so-called business men fighters fighting wearing a suit. Arum is a great promoter and he brings guys up from nowhere. GBP on the other hand buys established fighters after the other promoters spent all those years grooming these fighters from nothing.
CC for the REEEEEEEEAL TALK bro
CC for you too for staying on this post and amking good points that some guys in here will never understand
Re: Who's worse for us CURRENT BOXING FANS? Oscar or Richard Schaffer?
Oscar only grabbing established talent? Oscar's stable is deep. I made a series of posts on it a while back, but Oscar could have the better talent then Arum right now. Maybe, definitely does at the lighter weights.
The Oscar hate is ridiculous honestly, especially considering the fact that Oscar has put on some great cards and done great matchmaking. I mean even the DLH - PBF undercard looked bad on paper but good matchmaking and the fights turned out exciting.
Re: Who's worse for the sport of Boxing? Oscar or Richard Schaffer?
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
seriously tho.......... we talking STRICTLY what the FANS want to see......... and the fans are the ones getting screwed here fellas
TheBESTP4P - Seriously you work for "Money" do you not ? And I am sure it is not to make your peers happy. And Surely you would not try to make someone happy while feeding your enemies pockets. In addition had Arum not approached someone under contract already this topic would be void.
Re: Who's worse for the sport of Boxing? Oscar or Richard Schaffer?
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Originally Posted by amat
You're joking right. I'm pretty sure that you're the only person who is really down on Oscar as a promoter. Golden Boy has been fantastic for boxing in the short time they have been around, and have created some absolutely fantastic cards.
I have to agree
Re: Who's worse for us CURRENT BOXING FANS? Oscar or Richard Schaffer?
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Originally Posted by amat
Oscar only grabbing established talent? Oscar's stable is deep. I made a series of posts on it a while back, but Oscar could have the better talent then Arum right now. Maybe, definitely does at the lighter weights.
The Oscar hate is ridiculous honestly, especially considering the fact that Oscar has put on some great cards and done great matchmaking. I mean even the DLH - PBF undercard looked bad on paper but good matchmaking and the fights turned out exciting.
Nice to see Richard Schaffer is on the forum
