What did you think of Hatton's performance?

If truth be told, Hatton was fantastic, and what he proved was that he was a serious top class fighter when faced with top class opposition. If he went to 147 with less of a gap between the fight I think he would look good. He's similar to Cotto in alot of ways. I think the two would put on a great match. IMO, he's fighting Oscar next and I think he'd beat him. I don't think Oscar will have the hunger for it, and I think he'll be weight drained from stepping down to a catchweight.

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I'd give it 6 out of 10 he was very scrapping still holding and grappling when their was no need he should'nt be holding that much.


Would he be effective if he moves up we will find out the big names are all their Mosely,Cotto,Margerito,Mayweather if he does'nt retire and even De La Hoya.


Exciting it was more frustrating for me the holding really does my head in the atmosphere of the fight was exciting.

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Haha, for a brit you really hate the top British fighters don't ya? After watching that, how can you say Hatton wasn't amazing yet still look to praise Junior Witter? You make some great comments Tyson, but this one is a shocker.

Why do people go on saying castillo is shot just cos hatton battered the hell out of him. Do you not think that hatton made him look that way because hatton is actually a far superior fighter?

Hatton won all 4 rounds confortably and then KO'd his ass! Once again alot of the american public and media all said castillo will win this fight and once again hatton totally proved them all wrong. Now instead of praising hatton all they do is say castillo is shot!

Anyone saying this take a good look at themselves as they obviously know F*ck All about boxing or they are just plain hatton hatters.

No. People were saying Castillo was shot long before Hatton got to him on both sides of the Atlantic and before you start, yes, I don't like the spoiling and hugging I never have and it is different to using footwork to keep out the way of your opponents attacks and that's my long standing gripe against Hatton.

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No. People were saying Castillo was shot long before Hatton got to him on both sides of the Atlantic and before you start, yes, I don't like the spoiling and hugging I never have and it is different to using footwork to keep out the way of your opponents attacks and that's my long standing gripe against Hatton.

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i asked what is the difference between 3 to 4 punch hold hatton and 3 and 4 punch run mayweather....

hit and dont get hit.... thats been mayweather fans mantra..

hatton fans should be able to use it too.... ;D

that being said hatton is still more exciting and mayweather is more skilled O0

really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win. ::**

i thought they tended to break themselves apart but also feel that Rickys footwork is such that he does,nt need to hold half as much as he does ;)
His movement (at times) was great and when he starts using his rapid lateral movement he is at his best. 8)
On the whole he was outstanding and remember that NO ONE has ever done that to Castillo.

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really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win. ::**

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i just cant see hating on hatton for it and then giving a pass to mayweather.. that was my point.. and hatton's style is still more exciting than mayweather's

grabbing, the body shots, and giving the angles hatton was is called controlling the tempo and dominating every round and is a skillset unto itself... and the tempo is higher than mayweather's"superior footwork"style otherwise known as running..

hitting and not getting hit.. thats how i would teach on winning... using your strengths against your opponents weakness, however style you might need to use...

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On the whole he was outstanding and remember that NO ONE has ever done that to Castillo.

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really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win. ::**

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i just cant see hating on hatton for it and then giving a pass to mayweather.. that was my point.. and hatton's style is still more exciting than mayweather's

grabbing, the body shots, and giving the angles hatton was is called controlling the tempo and dominating every round and is a skillset unto itself... and the tempo is higher than mayweather's"superior footwork"style otherwise known as running..

hitting and not getting hit.. thats how i would teach on winning... using your strengths against your opponents weakness, however style you might need to use...

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It all depends on what you like out of your boxer.

I for one totally loathe to the highest degree holding in boxing. I HATE IT!!!

If you believe that using superior footwork equates to running in regards to Mayweather...your'e just wrong & contradicting yourself. You want to teach hit & not be hit (which is the largest part of boxing) then you use Floyd as an example.

Floyd has been in many MANY action fights...people just tend to let their hate blind them & wipe their memory's clean of Floyd's matches against Castillo, Manfredy, Jukko, Hernandex, Corrales, Chavez, & yes even the Oscar fight.

I thought Rick looked good, very sharpe, fast hands and feet and a welcome return to the body attack that had gone into hiding recently. The holding isnt a big deal for me, as long as the punches are still being shipped I dont care how he manouvres himself into position to do it (against Urango that was OTT, no nead for all that)

Was Castillo shot? No I dont think so, Antwun Echols, now thats shot. Castillo, obviously not the force he used to be was simply outmuscled by a younger fitter stronger man.

The amount of people that have jumped on the Castillo being shot bandwagon is no surprise.

There was more action in Hatton/Castillo fight than in the whole of the De Le Hoya/Mayweather fight!
As much as I think Mayweathers defensive skills are second to none I much prefer to watch an all action fighter like Ricky Hatton cause he always has me on the edge of my seat.

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really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win. ::**

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i just cant see hating on hatton for it and then giving a pass to mayweather.. that was my point.. and hatton's style is still more exciting than mayweather's

grabbing, the body shots, and giving the angles hatton was is called controlling the tempo and dominating every round and is a skillset unto itself... and the tempo is higher than mayweather's"superior footwork"style otherwise known as running..

hitting and not getting hit.. thats how i would teach on winning... using your strengths against your opponents weakness, however style you might need to use...

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It all depends on what you like out of your boxer.

I for one totally loathe to the highest degree holding in boxing. I HATE IT!!!

If you believe that using superior footwork equates to running in regards to Mayweather...your'e just wrong & contradicting yourself. You want to teach hit & not be hit (which is the largest part of boxing) then you use Floyd as an example.

Floyd has been in many MANY action fights...people just tend to let their hate blind them & wipe their memory's clean of Floyd's matches against Castillo, Manfredy, Jukko, Hernandex, Corrales, Chavez, & yes even the Oscar fight.

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i love mayweather inside the ropes.. i complement him on being #1 p4p and having the balls to fight DLH again and DLH wouldnt

i use PBF as an example because some people might not like his style, you have to respect it... and its the same 3,4 punch then move or hold that both use and takes the equal amount of skill to use both of their techniqes as well as they do

i think hatton has been in so many action fights that i dont have to mention them and if people you are equating that too holding style its the same if i say mayweather's style is running... isnt it?

i think mayweather has a beautiful style that i usually dont like...
' i just say the running style, cause thats how i feel when people call hattons style holding... ;D

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Castillo was the one leading the holding, Hatton was trying to break clear and get his shots off - he knew he had JLC's number after 2 mins, so why would he hold

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I know you're not serious so I'll leave that alone.

Give Ricky an 8 he is a good Boxer wish he would do that more instead of Muay Thai clinching ;D but his handspeed and accuracey just overmatched Castillo from the start... Although Castillo was coming on in the 3rd and 4th.. Hatton really snuffed out the rally with that shot ;)

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really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win. ::**

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i just cant see hating on hatton for it and then giving a pass to mayweather.. that was my point.. and hatton's style is still more exciting than mayweather's

grabbing, the body shots, and giving the angles hatton was is called controlling the tempo and dominating every round and is a skillset unto itself... and the tempo is higher than mayweather's"superior footwork"style otherwise known as running..

hitting and not getting hit.. thats how i would teach on winning... using your strengths against your opponents weakness, however style you might need to use...

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It all depends on what you like out of your boxer.

I for one totally loathe to the highest degree holding in boxing. I HATE IT!!!

If you believe that using superior footwork equates to running in regards to Mayweather...your'e just wrong & contradicting yourself. You want to teach hit & not be hit (which is the largest part of boxing) then you use Floyd as an example.

Floyd has been in many MANY action fights...people just tend to let their hate blind them & wipe their memory's clean of Floyd's matches against Castillo, Manfredy, Jukko, Hernandex, Corrales, Chavez, & yes even the Oscar fight.

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The Oscar fight ? The only exciting bit in that was the last 3-4 seconds.

Rest of them though, yea they were mostly good

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really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win. ::**

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i just cant see hating on hatton for it and then giving a pass to mayweather.. that was my point.. and hatton's style is still more exciting than mayweather's

grabbing, the body shots, and giving the angles hatton was is called controlling the tempo and dominating every round and is a skillset unto itself... and the tempo is higher than mayweather's"superior footwork"style otherwise known as running..

hitting and not getting hit.. thats how i would teach on winning... using your strengths against your opponents weakness, however style you might need to use...

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It all depends on what you like out of your boxer.

I for one totally loathe to the highest degree holding in boxing. I HATE IT!!!

If you believe that using superior footwork equates to running in regards to Mayweather...your'e just wrong & contradicting yourself. You want to teach hit & not be hit (which is the largest part of boxing) then you use Floyd as an example.

Floyd has been in many MANY action fights...people just tend to let their hate blind them & wipe their memory's clean of Floyd's matches against Castillo, Manfredy, Jukko, Hernandex, Corrales, Chavez, & yes even the Oscar fight.

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:coolclick: I agree with your completely Wacko. Floyd is in no way a negative hit and run fighter like people say, he's fought like that in one fight against Baldimor, in every other fight he's been exciting.

I love watching Floyd fight, he's an artist in the ring and I fail to see how any true boxing fan cannot appreciate his skills or his boxing style. The sweet science of boxing is about hitting and avoiding being hit and Floyd is the master, at least in our present era.

Hatton avoids getting hit by grabbing hold of an opponent and not allowing them to throw. There is no skill in that, it's just a rotten way to fight and a style that is rightly hated when anyone other than Hatton does it. To me he's no different to John Ruiz, just with better aggression and more speed.

I'm adittedly a Hatton Fanatic, worship the ground he walks on to be honest, and i loved the fight last Saturday night. It was exactly what i wanted to see...(i had predicted a Ko win around round 10 so i was way off!) But he seemed a little anxious to impress at the start, mayb wasting a little bit of energy. I'm not saying he started to quickly! A fast start was crucial, in order to establish his superior handspeed and (imo) power also. But he jus missed a few against an opponent who isn't exactly notoriously hard to locate. This may be put down to nerves/anxiety, but it was mistakes like that which would have resulted in him tiring in a longer fight. All IMO

I am destroyed that JLC is done.........I give hatton an 8, I absolutely hate his
holding, he's like John Ruiz in fast forward, but I give him credit for executing
his game plan and absolutely dominating the fight.

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I am destroyed that JLC is done.........I give hatton an 8, I absolutely hate his
holding, he's like John Ruiz in fast forward, but I give him credit for executing
his game plan and absolutely dominating the fight.

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Mate Castillo was more guilty than Hatton for Holding

CC big H

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really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win. ::**

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i just cant see hating on hatton for it and then giving a pass to mayweather.. that was my point.. and hatton's style is still more exciting than mayweather's

grabbing, the body shots, and giving the angles hatton was is called controlling the tempo and dominating every round and is a skillset unto itself... and the tempo is higher than mayweather's"superior footwork"style otherwise known as running..

hitting and not getting hit.. thats how i would teach on winning... using your strengths against your opponents weakness, however style you might need to use...

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It all depends on what you like out of your boxer.

I for one totally loathe to the highest degree holding in boxing. I HATE IT!!!

If you believe that using superior footwork equates to running in regards to Mayweather...your'e just wrong & contradicting yourself. You want to teach hit & not be hit (which is the largest part of boxing) then you use Floyd as an example.

Floyd has been in many MANY action fights...people just tend to let their hate blind them & wipe their memory's clean of Floyd's matches against Castillo, Manfredy, Jukko, Hernandex, Corrales, Chavez, & yes even the Oscar fight.

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The N'dou fight is in my personal collection of favourite fights, and the Gatti performance is as well. Extremely watchable. I love THAT Floyd. I can still respect the Floyd Mayweather of today, but if Floyd had kept his 135-140 style and still beaten Oscar and Zab Judah then he'd have set the world on fire, and be loved the world over, he would have had it all like Leonard and Roy Jones Jnr did. Instead we have the uneasy situation we do today, where he is really difficult to be a fan of for quite a few boxing fans. One of the reasons the cheapest tickets in the house against Oscar were $250 was because it was the best chance yet of seeing Floyd get beat, as well as Oscar being the draw he is of course.

I thought Ricky looked solid, Castillo was a step slower. Just landed a perfect shot. Would like to see him continue with even better opponents.Would like to see some big fights happen with the following names: Hatton, Mosely, Mayweather, Cotto, Margarito/Williams winner. Any of those guys fighting each other would be great.

Hatton did all that could have been asked. It was a very good performance.

hattons performance was a disgrace. holding 20 times a round is not boxing. once again he cheated to a victory. but to be honest he would have beaten the shot castillo anyway

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really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win. ::**

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i just cant see hating on hatton for it and then giving a pass to mayweather.. that was my point.. and hatton's style is still more exciting than mayweather's

grabbing, the body shots, and giving the angles hatton was is called controlling the tempo and dominating every round and is a skillset unto itself... and the tempo is higher than mayweather's"superior footwork"style otherwise known as running..

hitting and not getting hit.. thats how i would teach on winning... using your strengths against your opponents weakness, however style you might need to use...

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It all depends on what you like out of your boxer.

I for one totally loathe to the highest degree holding in boxing. I HATE IT!!!

If you believe that using superior footwork equates to running in regards to Mayweather...your'e just wrong & contradicting yourself. You want to teach hit & not be hit (which is the largest part of boxing) then you use Floyd as an example.

Floyd has been in many MANY action fights...people just tend to let their hate blind them & wipe their memory's clean of Floyd's matches against Castillo, Manfredy, Jukko, Hernandex, Corrales, Chavez, & yes even the Oscar fight.

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:coolclick: I agree with your completely Wacko. Floyd is in no way a negative hit and run fighter like people say, he's fought like that in one fight against Baldimor, in every other fight he's been exciting.

I love watching Floyd fight, he's an artist in the ring and I fail to see how any true boxing fan cannot appreciate his skills or his boxing style. The sweet science of boxing is about hitting and avoiding being hit and Floyd is the master, at least in our present era.

Hatton avoids getting hit by grabbing hold of an opponent and not allowing them to throw. There is no skill in that, it's just a rotten way to fight and a style that is rightly hated when anyone other than Hatton does it. To me he's no different to John Ruiz, just with better aggression and more speed.

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I tried...but couldn't have said it better meself! :coolclick:

I disagree with the holding. I don't EVER remember JLC holding in his career,why would he start now? Hatton initiated the grabbing,Castillo tried to grab back,get him off.However,it's been effective for Hatton so he is doing whatever it takes for him to win.

I also disagree with Hatton's statement that the fight was more exciting than PBF, entire career. I think Floyd has had more exciting fights and I prefer watching Floyd (except for his last 2-4 fights). Floyd is labelled boring now and I can understand that but at the lower weights,he was dam exciting to watch.

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really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win. ::**

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i just cant see hating on hatton for it and then giving a pass to mayweather.. that was my point.. and hatton's style is still more exciting than mayweather's

grabbing, the body shots, and giving the angles hatton was is called controlling the tempo and dominating every round and is a skillset unto itself... and the tempo is higher than mayweather's"superior footwork"style otherwise known as running..

hitting and not getting hit.. thats how i would teach on winning... using your strengths against your opponents weakness, however style you might need to use...

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It all depends on what you like out of your boxer.

I for one totally loathe to the highest degree holding in boxing. I HATE IT!!!

If you believe that using superior footwork equates to running in regards to Mayweather...your'e just wrong & contradicting yourself. You want to teach hit & not be hit (which is the largest part of boxing) then you use Floyd as an example.

Floyd has been in many MANY action fights...people just tend to let their hate blind them & wipe their memory's clean of Floyd's matches against Castillo, Manfredy, Jukko, Hernandex, Corrales, Chavez, & yes even the Oscar fight.

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Come on, Wacko. He wasn't an action fighter against Oscar. He won, but he took no chances. Hit and not be hit is the largest part of boxing, but Floyd tends to focus much more on the "not be hit" part. Yes, he has had action fights in the past, at lighter weight classes. Since moving up, all his focus is on defense. All the names you mentioned were at 135 or below. I would much rather see a fighter use a little clinching and try to KO his man than use his legs to run and pot shot his way to boring decision, ie Floyd against Baldy and Oscar or Andre Dirrell against Stevens.

The problem with Hatton's clinching is when he gets into a fight were he wants to cruise to decision, ie Urango and to a lesser degree Collazo, he becomes painful to watch. That version of Hatton was "hook and hold" Hatton. I completely disagree with Lederman that Hatton was initiating 90% of the clinching against JLC, and even with the clinching, he was still a very active puncher, and used great speed and footwork.

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really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win. ::**

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i just cant see hating on hatton for it and then giving a pass to mayweather.. that was my point.. and hatton's style is still more exciting than mayweather's

grabbing, the body shots, and giving the angles hatton was is called controlling the tempo and dominating every round and is a skillset unto itself... and the tempo is higher than mayweather's"superior footwork"style otherwise known as running..

hitting and not getting hit.. thats how i would teach on winning... using your strengths against your opponents weakness, however style you might need to use...

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It all depends on what you like out of your boxer.

I for one totally loathe to the highest degree holding in boxing. I HATE IT!!!

If you believe that using superior footwork equates to running in regards to Mayweather...your'e just wrong & contradicting yourself. You want to teach hit & not be hit (which is the largest part of boxing) then you use Floyd as an example.

Floyd has been in many MANY action fights...people just tend to let their hate blind them & wipe their memory's clean of Floyd's matches against Castillo, Manfredy, Jukko, Hernandex, Corrales, Chavez, & yes even the Oscar fight.

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:coolclick: I agree with your completely Wacko. Floyd is in no way a negative hit and run fighter like people say, he's fought like that in one fight against Baldimor, in every other fight he's been exciting.

I love watching Floyd fight, he's an artist in the ring and I fail to see how any true boxing fan cannot appreciate his skills or his boxing style. The sweet science of boxing is about hitting and avoiding being hit and Floyd is the master, at least in our present era.

Hatton avoids getting hit by grabbing hold of an opponent and not allowing them to throw. There is no skill in that, it's just a rotten way to fight and a style that is rightly hated when anyone other than Hatton does it. To me he's no different to John Ruiz, just with better aggression and more speed.

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That just so wrong. He certainly clinches a fair share, but it's not his only defense, and there is plenty of skill for a fighter that short to impose his will and plan on his opponent. Comparing Hatton to Ruiz is crappiest analogy I've heard and it's becoming very trendy on this site to say that. It sounds good and and it's a snappy little way to dis Hatton, but it's crap. Castillo held just as much as Hatton in that fight and if you can't appreciate Hattons quickness, balance, and the subtle things he does in offensive infighting, I don't know you are a true boxing fan. His skill in changing angles, staying on balance, and feinting we brilliant. Sure, you can prefer Floyd's style or Whitaker's style, or whoever, but Hatton is very skillful in his own way.

hattons way of fighting is very different to the style of mayweather but who is to fault both fighters they do what needs to be done....but too many people are crabbing hatton ! hatton is one very tough very underestimated (by the american audience) fighter ! his record speaks for itself he isnt just a fighter who hides in his own country maybe like one of the former german world title holders and rejoices in the glory of his own countrymen . i honestly believe this man would duck no one and deserves the right to fight any light welter who could make the weight

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WHAT IS THE BIG DIFFERANCE BETWEEN FLOYDS HITTING 3 OR 4 TIMES AND MOVING OUT.. AND HATTON HITTING 3 OR 4 TIMES AND CLINCHING????????????

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Since you keep asking, here's the easy answer: holding is illegal.

More substantively, the difference is that using movement to not get hit requires a great deal of skill and athleticism. This is why even people who don't like Floyd's defensive style constantly preface this by saying things like "I mean, I respect his skill, but..." or "I can appreciate that he's great, but...." Excessive holding, on the other hand, does not require any skill or athleticism at all. This is obvious from the fact that any fight you watch between a couple of guys with no amateur background and only a handful of fights under their belts is characterized by excessive holding. And while some people may not like watching defensive movement, no one even appreciates watching holding.

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really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win. ::**

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i just cant see hating on hatton for it and then giving a pass to mayweather.. that was my point.. and hatton's style is still more exciting than mayweather's

grabbing, the body shots, and giving the angles hatton was is called controlling the tempo and dominating every round and is a skillset unto itself... and the tempo is higher than mayweather's"superior footwork"style otherwise known as running..

hitting and not getting hit.. thats how i would teach on winning... using your strengths against your opponents weakness, however style you might need to use...

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It all depends on what you like out of your boxer.

I for one totally loathe to the highest degree holding in boxing. I HATE IT!!!

If you believe that using superior footwork equates to running in regards to Mayweather...your'e just wrong & contradicting yourself. You want to teach hit & not be hit (which is the largest part of boxing) then you use Floyd as an example.

Floyd has been in many MANY action fights...people just tend to let their hate blind them & wipe their memory's clean of Floyd's matches against Castillo, Manfredy, Jukko, Hernandex, Corrales, Chavez, & yes even the Oscar fight.

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The N'dou fight is in my personal collection of favourite fights, and the Gatti performance is as well. Extremely watchable. I love THAT Floyd. I can still respect the Floyd Mayweather of today, but if Floyd had kept his 135-140 style and still beaten Oscar and Zab Judah then he'd have set the world on fire, and be loved the world over, he would have had it all like Leonard and Roy Jones Jnr did.

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And he would have taken unneccesary punishment. Why would he do that? You say he would have had it all like Roy did, and when did Roy ever ever fight in his prime and take unneccesary punishment? He boxed just as Floyd does

^CC TO THAT....Thats a post i like...Praisin hatton n takin mayweather down a peg ;D

Alright now this is getting crazy. Ruiz err Hatton being compared to Floyd is ludacris. Everyone here who knows my posting in here knows that I'm no fan of PBF but he fights within the rules and he shows plenty of skill.

My problem with Floyd is that I think he is defrauding the public with his claims to be the best without fighting the best in their primes. Now Ruiz, I'm sorry I just keeps coming out that way, Hatton is a likable guy and has good speed and pretty good skill but it's rarely shown because he spends so much time holding and mauling.

I for one, am not a fan of holding and you Hatton fans can defend him all day but it is what it is.

I'm a new member, but have been coming here peeking around for quite a while, so hello everyone. I would like to say congrats to Hatton 1st, as he did his job. And much respect for Castillo also, as he always has been a warrior and one of my favorites. But I need to say something in regards to the other night. Was Castillo shot?? Only he knows that but he said he would knockout Rick and that Rick wasn't even in the same league as far as skills and opponents. He looked very happy and calm before the fight and was laughing and smiling right before the fight. He looked slow at 1st but what's new, and when Ricky is holding or wrestling or whatever anyone wants to label it, it's hard to look fast IMO. Did Castillo quit?? Maybe he did mentally quit, thoughI think it is insulting to a guy who has shown so game for so long. Nobody else did what Hatton did to him, so shot fighter or not it is very rare indeed to put Castillo on the floor like that, and in that time. But what really gets me is that Ricky came prepared for whatever Castillo decided to come, and took care of business. It's not Ricky's fault for which Castillo shows up, that boy comes to fight. I don't think Rick holds or wrestles because he can't box, he knows he is so strong that he likes to bully people around; that's his style. Just as it is Floyd's style to so-called "run". I like em' both and much respect to both, but like them or hate them, this fight needs to happen. Floyd's camp told Rick that in order to get a fight with him Rick would have to beat Castillo decisively, which he obviously did, shot fighter or not. So therefore, make this fight happen and be done with it. Will be the most anticipated fight IMO since Leonard/Hearns. At least give Rick credit for making it to the top, because face it, Castillo could hardly be called a bum. Mayweather couldn't put him out like that and I know his style really doesn't imply that type of destruction, but Rick did it so stop calling him a bum. Fight him and prove it!! I hate all the b.s. talk about any of these fighters because as far as I'm concerned, they are there and most of us are not, so respect those men in the ring. If by chance Castillo purposely avoided getting up the other night, it's because he knew he would get put down again and fast. As many wars as he's been in that's understandable, but I don't think he could have dealt with Ricky 5 years ago with the Ricky of Saturday night. Anyways, just my 25 cents and no offense intended if I did. I don't want to come off as an "internet warrior", just wanted to express my opinion.

I also meant to add that it would have been real interesting to see what would have been said if that fight went the distance. Would they have really gotten all over Hatton about how it took him going the distance to beat an old man?? If he would have knocked Castillo out in the 1st round they would have talked garbage about it. But as far as I'm concerned, Ricky did an outstanding job and what he was told he had to do. :)

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Originally Posted by LEGION

I'm a new member, but have been coming here peeking around for quite a while, so hello everyone. I would like to say congrats to Hatton 1st, as he did his job. And much respect for Castillo also, as he always has been a warrior and one of my favorites. But I need to say something in regards to the other night. Was Castillo shot?? Only he knows that but he said he would knockout Rick and that Rick wasn't even in the same league as far as skills and opponents. He looked very happy and calm before the fight and was laughing and smiling right before the fight. He looked slow at 1st but what's new, and when Ricky is holding or wrestling or whatever anyone wants to label it, it's hard to look fast IMO. Did Castillo quit?? Maybe he did mentally quit, thoughI think it is insulting to a guy who has shown so game for so long. Nobody else did what Hatton did to him, so shot fighter or not it is very rare indeed to put Castillo on the floor like that, and in that time. But what really gets me is that Ricky came prepared for whatever Castillo decided to come, and took care of business. It's not Ricky's fault for which Castillo shows up, that boy comes to fight. I don't think Rick holds or wrestles because he can't box, he knows he is so strong that he likes to bully people around; that's his style. Just as it is Floyd's style to so-called "run". I like em' both and much respect to both, but like them or hate them, this fight needs to happen. Floyd's camp told Rick that in order to get a fight with him Rick would have to beat Castillo decisively, which he obviously did, shot fighter or not. So therefore, make this fight happen and be done with it. Will be the most anticipated fight IMO since Leonard/Hearns. At least give Rick credit for making it to the top, because face it, Castillo could hardly be called a bum. Mayweather couldn't put him out like that and I know his style really doesn't imply that type of destruction, but Rick did it so stop calling him a bum. Fight him and prove it!! I hate all the b.s. talk about any of these fighters because as far as I'm concerned, they are there and most of us are not, so respect those men in the ring. If by chance Castillo purposely avoided getting up the other night, it's because he knew he would get put down again and fast. As many wars as he's been in that's understandable, but I don't think he could have dealt with Ricky 5 years ago with the Ricky of Saturday night. Anyways, just my 25 cents and no offense intended if I did. I don't want to come off as an "internet warrior", just wanted to express my opinion.

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Have your first :coolclick: cool click on me. Welcome to the forum. Don't let the haters get you down.

Appreciate that SeanE. I don't let the haters get me down as it's not me getting in the ring for a living and having to deal with it on a constant basis. I appreciate all fighters, whether a person going into his/her 1st amateur fight to the top of the food chain fighters. It's a tough sport, so respect to anyone willing to fight. Is all I know is that a fight between Mayweather/Hatton is exactly what boxing needs. :)

havent seen the fight yet but stopping a fighter that PBF had some troubled with means alot. Hopefully Hatton gets the great respect he deserves he now stopped both Tszyu and Castillo, great resume IMO.
Doesnt matter if his style sucks or is flawed the main thing is he is freakin effective at it.
I am not a Hatton fan :)

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Originally Posted by Missy

really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win. ::**

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i just cant see hating on hatton for it and then giving a pass to mayweather.. that was my point.. and hatton's style is still more exciting than mayweather's

grabbing, the body shots, and giving the angles hatton was is called controlling the tempo and dominating every round and is a skillset unto itself... and the tempo is higher than mayweather's"superior footwork"style otherwise known as running..

hitting and not getting hit.. thats how i would teach on winning... using your strengths against your opponents weakness, however style you might need to use...

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It all depends on what you like out of your boxer.

I for one totally loathe to the highest degree holding in boxing. I HATE IT!!!

If you believe that using superior footwork equates to running in regards to Mayweather...your'e just wrong & contradicting yourself. You want to teach hit & not be hit (which is the largest part of boxing) then you use Floyd as an example.

Floyd has been in many MANY action fights...people just tend to let their hate blind them & wipe their memory's clean of Floyd's matches against Castillo, Manfredy, Jukko, Hernandex, Corrales, Chavez, & yes even the Oscar fight.

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:coolclick: I agree with your completely Wacko. Floyd is in no way a negative hit and run fighter like people say, he's fought like that in one fight against Baldimor, in every other fight he's been exciting.

I love watching Floyd fight, he's an artist in the ring and I fail to see how any true boxing fan cannot appreciate his skills or his boxing style. The sweet science of boxing is about hitting and avoiding being hit and Floyd is the master, at least in our present era.

Hatton avoids getting hit by grabbing hold of an opponent and not allowing them to throw. There is no skill in that, it's just a rotten way to fight and a style that is rightly hated when anyone other than Hatton does it. To me he's no different to John Ruiz, just with better aggression and more speed.

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I tried...but couldn't have said it better meself! :coolclick:

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first i appreciate mayweathers running style but.. p4p#1 means something

but if hatton dont have any skill in the holding tactics.. why dont you jump in their with hatton at 140 and go to floyd at 154 and see who gets more f**** up


no different than ruiz???? and you couldnt have said it better Wacko???? and you guys boast about appreciating boxers????

wasnt you calling me contradicting earlier wacko??

i'm not trying to get into an argument but that ruiz comment is bullsh@t