Hatton is handpicked by PBF... this is blasphemy, but please hear me out.

If Floyd is retired ( early May to late June - 2 damn months) then he can't hold both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles or can he? Or can a "retired" fighter still be rated nº1 Ring Mag P 4 P, Welter Champ and Ring Mag nº3 Junior Middle in the World, please enlight me? The thing is dat Floyd can fight who the hell he wants, Henry Bruseles again, Ricky Hatton or Joel Casamayor as lond as his Fan Club members don't claim he's the best welter in the world, if he wanna be, he gat to fight the Top Dogs! And that includes Paul Williams, Punisher!

You can retire without vacating the titles. If he stays retired, when the time comes for him to fight a mandatory, the belt will be stripped form him.

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If Floyd is retired ( early May to late June - 2 damn months) then he can't hold both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles or can he? Or can a "retired" fighter still be rated nº1 Ring Mag P 4 P, Welter Champ and Ring Mag nº3 Junior Middle in the World, please enlight me? The thing is dat Floyd can fight who the hell he wants, Henry Bruseles again, Ricky Hatton or Joel Casamayor as lond as his Fan Club members don't claim he's the best welter in the world, if he wanna be, he gat to fight the Top Dogs! And that includes Paul Williams, Punisher!

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if paul williams makes it out of the fight with margarito then he should be mentioned..until then he's just a young guy that beat up a bunch of Atlanta area bums plus old and torn up mitchell

That's exactly what is going to happen if Suleiman doesn't get stupid again ( Hoya took 12 months to defend the WBC Super Welter Title -May 6 2006 to May 6 2007). The Commisions can't get tricked by the mobster agents in pro box today, the Hoya vs Mayweather fight had no sense since it was Floyd's 1st fight as a 154 pounder and if Floyd defends the WBC welter title against Hatton, then I can say fo' sure - The WBC is corrupted by dirty money under the table, Period.

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If Floyd is retired ( early May to late June - 2 damn months) then he can't hold both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles or can he? Or can a "retired" fighter still be rated nº1 Ring Mag P 4 P, Welter Champ and Ring Mag nº3 Junior Middle in the World, please enlight me? The thing is dat Floyd can fight who the hell he wants, Henry Bruseles again, Ricky Hatton or Joel Casamayor as lond as his Fan Club members don't claim he's the best welter in the world, if he wanna be, he gat to fight the Top Dogs! And that includes Paul Williams, Punisher!

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if paul williams makes it out of the fight with margarito then he should be mentioned..until then he's just a young guy that beat up a bunch of Atlanta area bums plus old and torn up mitchell

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Old and Torn Sharmba who was Floyd's first opponent out of the 3 welters he fought... But I also believe that Paul is too vulnerable to the in-fighting Tony produces and should be caught inside by a Tornado he May(not)weather...

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If Floyd is retired ( early May to late June - 2 damn months) then he can't hold both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles or can he? Or can a "retired" fighter still be rated nº1 Ring Mag P 4 P, Welter Champ and Ring Mag nº3 Junior Middle in the World, please enlight me? The thing is dat Floyd can fight who the hell he wants, Henry Bruseles again, Ricky Hatton or Joel Casamayor as lond as his Fan Club members don't claim he's the best welter in the world, if he wanna be, he gat to fight the Top Dogs! And that includes Paul Williams, Punisher!

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if paul williams makes it out of the fight with margarito then he should be mentioned..until then he's just a young guy that beat up a bunch of Atlanta area bums plus old and torn up mitchell

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Old and Torn Sharmba who was Floyd's first opponent out of the 3 welters he fought... But I also believe that Paul is too vulnerable to the in-fighting Tony produces and should be caught inside by a Tornado he May(not)weather...

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floyd was already a proven fighter and sharmba was just another fighter to floyd...to williams sharmba is his only weight to him being a serious contender...if he loses to tony we won't hear of him again..but then that depends on how he loses...Actually its weird because this is tony's most public fight...if either loses in a bad fashion it will be hard to sell either one of them....if they fight a war like barrera-morrales then they're elevated....

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If Floyd is retired ( early May to late June - 2 damn months) then he can't hold both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles or can he? Or can a "retired" fighter still be rated nº1 Ring Mag P 4 P, Welter Champ and Ring Mag nº3 Junior Middle in the World, please enlight me?

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yes he can, until time expires 
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The thing is dat Floyd can fight who the hell he wants, Henry Bruseles again, Ricky Hatton or Joel Casamayor as lond as his Fan Club members don't claim he's the best welter in the world, if he wanna be, he gat to fight the Top Dogs! And that includes Paul Williams, Punisher!

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:lolhaha:  yea because he is proven himself  ::**

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If Floyd is retired ( early May to late June - 2 damn months) then he can't hold both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles or can he? Or can a "retired" fighter still be rated nº1 Ring Mag P 4 P, Welter Champ and Ring Mag nº3 Junior Middle in the World, please enlight me?

yes he can, until time expires
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The thing is dat Floyd can fight who the hell he wants, Henry Bruseles again, Ricky Hatton or Joel Casamayor as lond as his Fan Club members don't claim he's the best welter in the world, if he wanna be, he gat to fight the Top Dogs! And that includes Paul Williams, Punisher!

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Exactly he hasn't even beat Margarito yet you need to slow down 8)

floyd was already a proven fighter and sharmba was just another fighter to floyd...to williams sharmba is his only weight to him being a serious contender...if he loses to tony we won't hear of him again..but then that depends on how he loses...Actually its weird because this is tony's most public fight...if either loses in a bad fashion it will be hard to sell either one of them....if they fight a war like barrera-morrales then they're elevated....
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Floyd was a proven fighter at 135 lbs and managed to outpunch/out-slick Chop Chop and Gatti at 140 lbs. He definitely needed the Mitchell fight to see how he would perform 7 pounds north of the Light Welter border and he did not overwhelm Sharmba, just caught him with a sharp right lead to the body after his usual defensive mode fighting style for 6 boring rounds - so he didn't prove himself there, neither did he in the Baldomir fight, maybe in the Judah and Hoya but that is far too little for what he and his flock claim... Paul pounded Sharmba for four rounds and from any conceivable angle, scoring 3 knockdowns doing so, and that was after he took care of Walter Dario Matthysse who is about to challenge Kermit Cintron for the IBF title July 14, oh, that same Cintron who was demolished by Tony ( talkin about so called "public" fights, wtf do u mean with public?)... Now Floyd sneaks right leads, pity-pat punches, runs around the ring, rolls those shoulders on the ropes and corners for 12 rounds and the pair Tony/Paul need to have a blood bath classic a la Barrera Morales to sell themselves? Get outa here! Maryweather should be laughin straight to the bank with Curtis ( Ha ha ha ha) GGGGGG-Unot...

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When a boxer meets a puncher, sometimes the puncher will become frustrated due to his shots missing or being parried or countered etc. This will result in the puncher shortening his punches, attempting to ensure they land or land with optimium impact. However, this often results in the puncher neglecting to throw enough punches or combinations, or sometimes neglecting to throw a punch at all jab on May 5th last. Oscar threw the jab early and although it WAS the most successful of Oscar's armoury it was still landing below 50% and even when landing he was unable to follow up with 2-3 punches

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Didn't matter if it missed. You sound like you box, so let me just say it.
The jab was important..... even if he missed it kept Floyd thinking.... even if it was blocked.... the PBF couldn't answer back, often he wasn't in position to fire back b/c of that...NOW that's what's important.
Hey, Oscar isn't a man I want to use as my platform, but the fight happened and Oscar's jab did give Floyd trouble, so I'm forced to use it because I saw it, hell everybody saw it. Floyd just took the jabs, especially the ones that landed. It's because of Floyd's stance. Floyd's stance is precisely the reason he's good aslo. But up against a great jab, it has no answers.

And don't give me percentages man, watch the fight. :) this is boxing.... and boxing's not percentages it's effectiveness.

Sorry if I sound like an @ss. please answer back. cc

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When a boxer meets a puncher, sometimes the puncher will become frustrated due to his shots missing or being parried or countered etc. This will result in the puncher shortening his punches, attempting to ensure they land or land with optimium impact. However, this often results in the puncher neglecting to throw enough punches or combinations, or sometimes neglecting to throw a punch at all jab on May 5th last. Oscar threw the jab early and although it WAS the most successful of Oscar's armoury it was still landing below 50% and even when landing he was unable to follow up with 2-3 punches

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Didn't matter if it missed. You sound like you box, so let me just say it.
The jab was important..... even if he missed it kept Floyd thinking.... even if it was blocked.... the PBF couldn't answer back, often he wasn't in position to fire back b/c of that...NOW that's what's important.
Hey, Oscar isn't a man I want to use as my platform, but the fight happened and Oscar's jab did give Floyd trouble, so I'm forced to use it because I saw it, hell everybody saw it. Floyd just took the jabs, especially the ones that landed. It's because of Floyd's stance. Floyd's stance is precisely the reason he's good aslo. But up against a great jab, it has no answers.



And don't give me percentages man, watch the fight. :) this is boxing.... and boxing's not percentages it's effectiveness.

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Fellas, Oscar was in the best physical condition he could get up to but he was far from being able to extend his jab for 12 rounds and keep Mayweather at bay or to inhibit him for getting in and out and out-pitty-pat-punch him all the way. That has to do with the styles, Oscar is no puncher and wouldn't have the timing or the cool to combine his left jab with that strong effective left hook out of the jab without Floyd stepping out of range first. Connect rates have to do with it at some extend as far as they measure precision, effective aggressiveness and volumes of punches thrown and in an undirect way, defense and ringside generalship... Oscar could not physically follow up his attack with careful well timed blows cause he was running after shadows and when he cornered Floyd, tried to make most of volume thrown, punching in bunches... Besides he could not have competed physically cause he could not stand the very fast pace and Floyd controlled the fight from that point of view, nothing else... Floyd is a product of Yankee propaganda, the Snoop Dog/ 50 cent pimpster hip-hop culture trasfered into boxing, to the ostrish skinned trunks, the fair ropes, the bs he pumps from his holla and U all love Him but that's not boxing, that has to do with Fashion, Hip-Hop Culture, Beefs between MC's, Floyd has to put up or shut up, consider the latter more difficult task for the guy...

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floyd was already a proven fighter and sharmba was just another fighter to floyd...to williams sharmba is his only weight to him being a serious contender...if he loses to tony we won't hear of him again..but then that depends on how he loses...Actually its weird because this is tony's most public fight...if either loses in a bad fashion it will be hard to sell either one of them....if they fight a war like barrera-morrales then they're elevated....

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Floyd was a proven fighter at 135 lbs and managed to outpunch/out-slick Chop Chop and Gatti at 140 lbs. He definitely needed the Mitchell fight to see how he would perform 7 pounds north of the Light Welter border and he did not overwhelm Sharmba, just caught him with a sharp right lead to the body after his usual defensive mode fighting style for 6 boring rounds - so he didn't prove himself there, neither did he in the Baldomir fight, maybe in the Judah and Hoya but that is far too little for what he and his flock claim... Paul pounded Sharmba for four rounds and from any conceivable angle, scoring 3 knockdowns doing so, and that was after he took care of Walter Dario Matthysse who is about to challenge Kermit Cintron for the IBF title July 14, oh, that same Cintron who was demolished by Tony ( talkin about so called "public" fights, wtf do u mean with public?)... Now Floyd sneaks right leads, pity-pat punches, runs around the ring, rolls those shoulders on the ropes and corners for 12 rounds and the pair Tony/Paul need to have a blood bath classic a la Barrera Morales to sell themselves? Get outa here! Maryweather should be laughin straight to the bank with Curtis ( Ha ha ha ha) GGGGGG-Unot...
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i mean highly promoted when i say "public" tony has never been on HBO...not that i can recall...and beating sharmba did nothing for floyd and it certainly did nothing for williams because sharmba was an absolute mess when KT got through with him...and paul williams is okay but hasn't done anything to be mention with the like of cotto,pbf,shane,hatton, neither has margarito..but maybe that's why they're fighting to weed out the "pretender contender" to floyd,cotto,hatton,and shane....

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Didn't matter if it missed. You sound like you box, so let me just say it.
The jab was important..... even if he missed it kept Floyd thinking.... even if it was blocked.... the PBF couldn't answer back, often he wasn't in position to fire back b/c of that...NOW that's what's important.
Hey, Oscar isn't a man I want to use as my platform, but the fight happened and Oscar's jab did give Floyd trouble, so I'm forced to use it because I saw it, hell everybody saw it. Floyd just took the jabs, especially the ones that landed. It's because of Floyd's stance. Floyd's stance is precisely the reason he's good aslo. But up against a great jab, it has no answers.



And don't give me percentages man, watch the fight. :) this is boxing.... and boxing's not percentages it's effectiveness.

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Fellas, Oscar was in the best physical condition he could get up to but he was far from being able to extend his jab for 12 rounds and keep Mayweather at bay or to inhibit him for getting in and out and out-pitty-pat-punch him all the way. That has to do with the styles, Oscar is no puncher and wouldn't have the timing or the cool to combine his left jab with that strong effective left hook out of the jab without Floyd stepping out of range first. Connect rates have to do with it at some extend as far as they measure precision, effective aggressiveness and volumes of punches thrown and in an undirect way, defense and ringside generalship... Oscar could not physically follow up his attack with careful well timed blows cause he was running after shadows and when he cornered Floyd, tried to make most of volume thrown, punching in bunches... Besides he could not have competed physically cause he could not stand the very fast pace and Floyd controlled the fight from that point of view, nothing else... Floyd is a product of Yankee propaganda, the Snoop Dog/ 50 cent pimpster hip-hop culture trasfered into boxing, to the ostrish skinned trunks, the fair ropes, the bs he pumps from his holla and U all love Him but that's not boxing, that has to do with Fashion, Hip-Hop Culture, Beefs between MC's, Floyd has to put up or shut up, consider the latter more difficult task for the guy...

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Dude, man........ what the hell are you talking about. ???

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Didn't matter if it missed. You sound like you box, so let me just say it.
The jab was important..... even if he missed it kept Floyd thinking.... even if it was blocked.... the PBF couldn't answer back, often he wasn't in position to fire back b/c of that...NOW that's what's important.
Hey, Oscar isn't a man I want to use as my platform, but the fight happened and Oscar's jab did give Floyd trouble, so I'm forced to use it because I saw it, hell everybody saw it. Floyd just took the jabs, especially the ones that landed. It's because of Floyd's stance. Floyd's stance is precisely the reason he's good aslo. But up against a great jab, it has no answers.



And don't give me percentages man, watch the fight. :) this is boxing.... and boxing's not percentages it's effectiveness.

Sorry if I sound like an @ss. please answer back. cc

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Fellas, Oscar was in the best physical condition he could get up to but he was far from being able to extend his jab for 12 rounds and keep Mayweather at bay or to inhibit him for getting in and out and out-pitty-pat-punch him all the way. That has to do with the styles, Oscar is no puncher and wouldn't have the timing or the cool to combine his left jab with that strong effective left hook out of the jab without Floyd stepping out of range first. Connect rates have to do with it at some extend as far as they measure precision, effective aggressiveness and volumes of punches thrown and in an undirect way, defense and ringside generalship... Oscar could not physically follow up his attack with careful well timed blows cause he was running after shadows and when he cornered Floyd, tried to make most of volume thrown, punching in bunches... Besides he could not have competed physically cause he could not stand the very fast pace and Floyd controlled the fight from that point of view, nothing else... Floyd is a product of Yankee propaganda, the Snoop Dog/ 50 cent pimpster hip-hop culture trasfered into boxing, to the ostrish skinned trunks, the fair ropes, the bs he pumps from his holla and U all love Him but that's not boxing, that has to do with Fashion, Hip-Hop Culture, Beefs between MC's, Floyd has to put up or shut up, consider the latter more difficult task for the guy...

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i second that?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

You all know what I am talkin about... Floyd is now Fashion in Boxing cause he is a masterful boxer for numba 1 but also cause he imported the bad ass attitude from the Hip Hop Culture ( Get Rich or Die tryin 50 cent style) in the way he trash talks, the filthy rich robes or the ostrish skin trunks he wears, and you all think he's cool and a boxing legend - no, he's just a very good defensive boxer who can get kayoed when you least expect, sorry guys, keep on pretending I am a fool and ya'all know best, lol

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You all know what I am talkin about... Floyd is now Fashion in Boxing cause he is a masterful boxer for numba 1 but also cause he imported the bad a** attitude from the Hip Hop Culture ( Get Rich or Die tryin 50 cent style) in the way he trash talks, the filthy rich robes or the ostrish skin trunks he wears, and you all think he's cool and a boxing legend - no, he's just a very good defensive boxer who can get kayoed when you least expect, sorry guys, keep on pretending I am a fool and ya'all know best, lol

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I guess i'll keep on pretending, but Floyd has nothing to do with hip hop he might like the music and be friends with some members of the hip hop community but that is as far as it goes. The attitude is confidence, real or hyped, and the willingness to play the villain. If you hate someone enough you'll pay for the chance to see them get beat down.

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You all know what I am talkin about... Floyd is now Fashion in Boxing cause he is a masterful boxer for numba 1 but also cause he imported the bad a** attitude from the Hip Hop Culture ( Get Rich or Die tryin 50 cent style) in the way he trash talks, the filthy rich robes or the ostrish skin trunks he wears, and you all think he's cool and a boxing legend - no, he's just a very good defensive boxer who can get kayoed when you least expect, sorry guys, keep on pretending I am a fool and ya'all know best, lol

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No shit sherlock...anyone can get KO'D..... The odds are strictly in his favor for not.

lets examine a few good defensive fighters of the past 15 years or so..

Pernell Whitaker- Never TKO'D(except for broken clavikle) or KO'D

James Toney- Never TKO'D or KO'D

Bernard Hopkins- Never KO'D or TKO'D

Winky Wright- Never been KO'D or TKO'D

Floyd Mayweather- Never been TKO'D or KO'D

If you cant agree that Floyds defensive skills are amoungst the best of this era and generation, thatn you need to evaluate your motives for downing Mayweather... Is it fair well informed unbiased analysis... Or blind hate toward him.. By the flavor of your posts I'll pick the ladder and not the former

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You all know what I am talkin about... Floyd is now Fashion in Boxing cause he is a masterful boxer for numba 1 but also cause he imported the bad ass attitude from the Hip Hop Culture ( Get Rich or Die tryin 50 cent style) in the way he trash talks, the filthy rich robes or the ostrish skin trunks he wears, and you all think he's cool and a boxing legend - no, he's just a very good defensive boxer who can get kayoed when you least expect, sorry guys, keep on pretending I am a fool and ya'all know best, lol

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man floyd just does all that hip hop shit for entertainment...in the ring he could care less about 50, or any other nut licking rapper...if for one second he felt that shit would be a detriment to his career it would all go away...floyd respects all his opponents and everything he does is just to sell tickets..they wanted to make him ray leonard but he didn't wanted to be fake (meaning Ray leonard wasn't the super nice smile guy that he pretended to be) And floyd just like anybody can be kayoed, because that's the only anyone will ever beat someone who can box like him...impossible to outbox him for 12 rounds, so yeah if he loses it will by ko or tko...

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You all know what I am talkin about... Floyd is now Fashion in Boxing cause he is a masterful boxer for numba 1 but also cause he imported the bad a** attitude from the Hip Hop Culture ( Get Rich or Die tryin 50 cent style) in the way he trash talks, the filthy rich robes or the ostrish skin trunks he wears, and you all think he's cool and a boxing legend - no, he's just a very good defensive boxer who can get kayoed when you least expect, sorry guys, keep on pretending I am a fool and ya'all know best, lol

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man floyd just does all that hip hop S*** for entertainment...in the ring he could care less about 50, or any other nut licking rapper...if for one second he felt that S*** would be a detriment to his career it would all go away...floyd respects all his opponents and everything he does is just to sell tickets..they wanted to make him ray leonard but he didn't wanted to be fake (meaning Ray leonard wasn't the super nice smile guy that he pretended to be) And floyd just like anybody can be kayoed, because that's the only anyone will ever beat someone who can box like him...impossible to outbox him for 12 rounds, so yeah if he loses it will by ko or tko...

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JonesJrMayweather, I can see just by ur nickname dat u r a fan of flashy, slick, skilful and smart boxers, so do I... I rate Roy, Floyd, Winky and Sweat Pea all in the same category, being Shane and Meldrick in between, but dat doesn't tell the whole story concerning who's who in the respect issue... Floyd didn't respect Gatti and once called him a C+ fighter, never respected Hoya callin him a Bitch before the fight and even though he's been after that fight ever since he was struggling with one Victoriano Sosa in Fresno, CA at 135 lbs and now calls Shane a sparring partner just cos he beat Oscar, well, Shane beat Oscar twice... I don't buy the Super Smile Nice Guy in Leonard but we all know he was classy and soft-spoken, not like the "Mexican Assassin" cocaine smuggler Roger or ex-convict Papa Floyd, so if Floyd is not a bad motha fucker why does he pretend to be one? He doesn't even look like a lovable wacko a la James Toney or a psychotic, rude/tough B-Hop (specially when he - Floyd is wearing glasses)... You are all like taken by his hip hop propaganda to say that he can't be out-boxed ( Larry once said that, I believe it was against Baldomir), of course he can be out-boxed or out-brawled like Duran against Ray in Montreal... Shane can beat him to the punch and surpass him in volume of punches trown, Tony can impose a jab and body snatch him all night long, Miguel may just steamroll him against the ropes and out of there like he did to Zab and even Ricky can tag him first with left unorthodox volleys and meaty body shots and tie him up time and time again, Floyd being a virtuoso is just a Myth like Roy was, mark these words of your humble Dorfmesiter, Peace

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You all know what I am talkin about... Floyd is now Fashion in Boxing cause he is a masterful boxer for numba 1 but also cause he imported the bad a** attitude from the Hip Hop Culture ( Get Rich or Die tryin 50 cent style) in the way he trash talks, the filthy rich robes or the ostrish skin trunks he wears, and you all think he's cool and a boxing legend - no, he's just a very good defensive boxer who can get kayoed when you least expect, sorry guys, keep on pretending I am a fool and ya'all know best, lol

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man floyd just does all that hip hop S*** for entertainment...in the ring he could care less about 50, or any other nut licking rapper...if for one second he felt that S*** would be a detriment to his career it would all go away...floyd respects all his opponents and everything he does is just to sell tickets..they wanted to make him ray leonard but he didn't wanted to be fake (meaning Ray leonard wasn't the super nice smile guy that he pretended to be) And floyd just like anybody can be kayoed, because that's the only anyone will ever beat someone who can box like him...impossible to outbox him for 12 rounds, so yeah if he loses it will by ko or tko...

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JonesJrMayweather, I can see just by ur nickname dat u r a fan of flashy, slick, skilful and smart boxers, so do I... I rate Roy, Floyd, Winky and Sweat Pea all in the same category, being Shane and Meldrick in between, but dat doesn't tell the whole story concerning who's who in the respect issue... Floyd didn't respect Gatti and once called him a C+ fighter, never respected Hoya callin him a Bitch before the fight and even though he's been after that fight ever since he was struggling with one Victoriano Sosa in Fresno, CA at 135 lbs and now calls Shane a sparring partner just cos he beat Oscar, well, Shane beat Oscar twice... I don't buy the Super Smile Nice Guy in Leonard but we all know he was classy and soft-spoken, not like the "Mexican Assassin" cocaine smuggler Roger or ex-convict Papa Floyd, so if Floyd is not a bad motha f***** why does he pretend to be one? He doesn't even look like a lovable wacko a la James Toney or a psychotic, rude/tough B-Hop (specially when he - Floyd is wearing glasses)... You are all like taken by his hip hop propaganda to say that he can't be out-boxed ( Larry once said that, I believe it was against Baldomir), of course he can be out-boxed or out-brawled like Duran against Ray in Montreal... Shane can beat him to the punch and surpass him in volume of punches trown, Tony can impose a jab and body snatch him all night long, Miguel may just steamroll him against the ropes and out of there like he did to Zab and even Ricky can tag him first with left unorthodox volleys and meaty body shots and tie him up time and time again, Floyd being a virtuoso is just a Myth like Roy was, mark these words of your humble Dorfmesiter, Peace

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You all know what I am talkin about... Floyd is now Fashion in Boxing cause he is a masterful boxer for numba 1 but also cause he imported the bad a** attitude from the Hip Hop Culture ( Get Rich or Die tryin 50 cent style) in the way he trash talks, the filthy rich robes or the ostrish skin trunks he wears, and you all think he's cool and a boxing legend - no, he's just a very good defensive boxer who can get kayoed when you least expect, sorry guys, keep on pretending I am a fool and ya'all know best, lol

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man floyd just does all that hip hop S*** for entertainment...in the ring he could care less about 50, or any other nut licking rapper...if for one second he felt that S*** would be a detriment to his career it would all go away...floyd respects all his opponents and everything he does is just to sell tickets..they wanted to make him ray leonard but he didn't wanted to be fake (meaning Ray leonard wasn't the super nice smile guy that he pretended to be) And floyd just like anybody can be kayoed, because that's the only anyone will ever beat someone who can box like him...impossible to outbox him for 12 rounds, so yeah if he loses it will by ko or tko...

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JonesJrMayweather, I can see just by ur nickname dat u r a fan of flashy, slick, skilful and smart boxers, so do I... I rate Roy, Floyd, Winky and Sweat Pea all in the same category, being Shane and Meldrick in between, but dat doesn't tell the whole story concerning who's who in the respect issue... Floyd didn't respect Gatti and once called him a C+ fighter, never respected Hoya callin him a Bitch before the fight and even though he's been after that fight ever since he was struggling with one Victoriano Sosa in Fresno, CA at 135 lbs and now calls Shane a sparring partner just cos he beat Oscar, well, Shane beat Oscar twice... I don't buy the Super Smile Nice Guy in Leonard but we all know he was classy and soft-spoken, not like the "Mexican Assassin" cocaine smuggler Roger or ex-convict Papa Floyd, so if Floyd is not a bad motha f***** why does he pretend to be one? He doesn't even look like a lovable wacko a la James Toney or a psychotic, rude/tough B-Hop (specially when he - Floyd is wearing glasses)... You are all like taken by his hip hop propaganda to say that he can't be out-boxed ( Larry once said that, I believe it was against Baldomir), of course he can be out-boxed or out-brawled like Duran against Ray in Montreal... Shane can beat him to the punch and surpass him in volume of punches trown, Tony can impose a jab and body snatch him all night long, Miguel may just steamroll him against the ropes and out of there like he did to Zab and even Ricky can tag him first with left unorthodox volleys and meaty body shots and tie him up time and time again, Floyd being a virtuoso is just a Myth like Roy was, mark these words of your humble Dorfmesiter, Peace

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I find your posts quite UNISIGHTFUL, BORING lacking any resemblance of factual significance... You are a biased hater, who instead of backing up his claims and allegations, Just gos off on other tangents about irrelevance and more biased OPINION!!!!

Roy also had a background with his Dad even though the association didn't last, Shane's and Zab's are other examples. Floyd's so called foundation is uncle Roger, Papa Floyd and uncle Jeff and I agree they all led the Gym Rat Box-addicted young Floyd to maturation very early on but that doesn't make him smarter than Roy, please don't forget Roy collapsed very recently to Antonio and Glenn but before that he out-punched in the sweetest of boxing's ways B-Hop, Toney, McCallum, Hill and so many others, plus Jones had a kayo punch and Floyd is a very light handed, safety first, mobile counter-puncher, he's not as slick as Sweet Pea was or as defensive as Willie Pep came to be but he's still very good at what he does... Problem is he has been out-scored in some rounds and fights like against Castillo, Judah, Hoya so I definitely believe he knows he can be beaten ( not just kayoed, beaten by points) so he avoids these guys and this is the subject of this post that never passed by my mind... Floyd goes for the smart money against hatton cause he knows he may well lose more than 6 rounds against Shane, Tony or Miguel, dat is the bottom line... And I say it again, even though he might lose, I'd favour him to win those but he doesn't want it...

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You all know what I am talkin about... Floyd is now Fashion in Boxing cause he is a masterful boxer for numba 1 but also cause he imported the bad a** attitude from the Hip Hop Culture ( Get Rich or Die tryin 50 cent style) in the way he trash talks, the filthy rich robes or the ostrish skin trunks he wears, and you all think he's cool and a boxing legend - no, he's just a very good defensive boxer who can get kayoed when you least expect, sorry guys, keep on pretending I am a fool and ya'all know best, lol

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man floyd just does all that hip hop S*** for entertainment...in the ring he could care less about 50, or any other nut licking rapper...if for one second he felt that S*** would be a detriment to his career it would all go away...floyd respects all his opponents and everything he does is just to sell tickets..they wanted to make him ray leonard but he didn't wanted to be fake (meaning Ray leonard wasn't the super nice smile guy that he pretended to be) And floyd just like anybody can be kayoed, because that's the only anyone will ever beat someone who can box like him...impossible to outbox him for 12 rounds, so yeah if he loses it will by ko or tko...

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JonesJrMayweather, I can see just by ur nickname dat u r a fan of flashy, slick, skilful and smart boxers, so do I... I rate Roy, Floyd, Winky and Sweat Pea all in the same category, being Shane and Meldrick in between, but dat doesn't tell the whole story concerning who's who in the respect issue... Floyd didn't respect Gatti and once called him a C+ fighter, never respected Hoya callin him a Bitch before the fight and even though he's been after that fight ever since he was struggling with one Victoriano Sosa in Fresno, CA at 135 lbs and now calls Shane a sparring partner just cos he beat Oscar, well, Shane beat Oscar twice... I don't buy the Super Smile Nice Guy in Leonard but we all know he was classy and soft-spoken, not like the "Mexican Assassin" cocaine smuggler Roger or ex-convict Papa Floyd, so if Floyd is not a bad motha f***** why does he pretend to be one? He doesn't even look like a lovable wacko a la James Toney or a psychotic, rude/tough B-Hop (specially when he - Floyd is wearing glasses)... You are all like taken by his hip hop propaganda to say that he can't be out-boxed ( Larry once said that, I believe it was against Baldomir), of course he can be out-boxed or out-brawled like Duran against Ray in Montreal... Shane can beat him to the punch and surpass him in volume of punches trown, Tony can impose a jab and body snatch him all night long, Miguel may just steamroll him against the ropes and out of there like he did to Zab and even Ricky can tag him first with left unorthodox volleys and meaty body shots and tie him up time and time again, Floyd being a virtuoso is just a Myth like Roy was, mark these words of your humble Dorfmesiter, Peace

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I find your posts quite UNISIGHTFUL, BORING lacking any rememblence of factual sinifigance... You are a biased hater, who instead of backing up his claims and allegations, Just gos off on other tangents about irrelevance and more biased OPINION!!!!

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Boring may be your perception on my posts and boring can be my perception on Floyd's fights. I will not take from you or any other that I am a hater or that I am biased, oh no, specially because if someone insults me is because that someone, like you JT Rock, got hurt by something that I said... Since I didn't call you or any other a biased hater, "boring" ( how old are you, 16 years old???), irrelevant or uni(n)sightful, I may well say that you disagree strongly with my rightful opinions... Suggestion may be for you to discuss the ideas in those opinions and not rush into offense, Peace to You too, JT Rock

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You all know what I am talkin about... Floyd is now Fashion in Boxing cause he is a masterful boxer for numba 1 but also cause he imported the bad a** attitude from the Hip Hop Culture ( Get Rich or Die tryin 50 cent style) in the way he trash talks, the filthy rich robes or the ostrish skin trunks he wears, and you all think he's cool and a boxing legend - no, he's just a very good defensive boxer who can get kayoed when you least expect, sorry guys, keep on pretending I am a fool and ya'all know best, lol

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man floyd just does all that hip hop S*** for entertainment...in the ring he could care less about 50, or any other nut licking rapper...if for one second he felt that S*** would be a detriment to his career it would all go away...floyd respects all his opponents and everything he does is just to sell tickets..they wanted to make him ray leonard but he didn't wanted to be fake (meaning Ray leonard wasn't the super nice smile guy that he pretended to be) And floyd just like anybody can be kayoed, because that's the only anyone will ever beat someone who can box like him...impossible to outbox him for 12 rounds, so yeah if he loses it will by ko or tko...

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JonesJrMayweather, I can see just by ur nickname dat u r a fan of flashy, slick, skilful and smart boxers, so do I... I rate Roy, Floyd, Winky and Sweat Pea all in the same category, being Shane and Meldrick in between, but dat doesn't tell the whole story concerning who's who in the respect issue... Floyd didn't respect Gatti and once called him a C+ fighter, never respected Hoya callin him a Bitch before the fight and even though he's been after that fight ever since he was struggling with one Victoriano Sosa in Fresno, CA at 135 lbs and now calls Shane a sparring partner just cos he beat Oscar, well, Shane beat Oscar twice... I don't buy the Super Smile Nice Guy in Leonard but we all know he was classy and soft-spoken, not like the "Mexican Assassin" cocaine smuggler Roger or ex-convict Papa Floyd, so if Floyd is not a bad motha f***** why does he pretend to be one? He doesn't even look like a lovable wacko a la James Toney or a psychotic, rude/tough B-Hop (specially when he - Floyd is wearing glasses)... You are all like taken by his hip hop propaganda to say that he can't be out-boxed ( Larry once said that, I believe it was against Baldomir), of course he can be out-boxed or out-brawled like Duran against Ray in Montreal... Shane can beat him to the punch and surpass him in volume of punches trown, Tony can impose a jab and body snatch him all night long, Miguel may just steamroll him against the ropes and out of there like he did to Zab and even Ricky can tag him first with left unorthodox volleys and meaty body shots and tie him up time and time again, Floyd being a virtuoso is just a Myth like Roy was, mark these words of your humble Dorfmesiter, Peace

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I find your posts quite UNISIGHTFUL, BORING lacking any rememblence of factual sinifigance... You are a biased hater, who instead of backing up his claims and allegations, Just gos off on other tangents about irrelevance and more biased OPINION!!!!

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Boring may be your perception on my posts and boring can be my perception on Floyd's fights. I will not take from you or any other that I am a hater or that I am biased, oh no, specially because if someone insults me is because that someone, like you JT Rock, got hurt by something that I said... Since I didn't call you or any other a biased hater, "boring" ( how old are you, 16 years old???), irrelevant or uni(n)sightful, I may well say that you disagree strongly with my rightful opinions... Suggestion may be for you to discuss the ideas in those opinions and not rush into offense, Peace to You too, JT Rock

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Again you are trying to pass your OPINION as FACT and thats were the redundace in your statements lie

If anything you should know one of the basic fundamentals in communication.... There are FACTS and then there are OPINIONS... MIXING the 2 and trying to pass it of as truth is just not credible ;)

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You all know what I am talkin about... Floyd is now Fashion in Boxing cause he is a masterful boxer for numba 1 but also cause he imported the bad a** attitude from the Hip Hop Culture ( Get Rich or Die tryin 50 cent style) in the way he trash talks, the filthy rich robes or the ostrish skin trunks he wears, and you all think he's cool and a boxing legend - no, he's just a very good defensive boxer who can get kayoed when you least expect, sorry guys, keep on pretending I am a fool and ya'all know best, lol

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man floyd just does all that hip hop S*** for entertainment...in the ring he could care less about 50, or any other nut licking rapper...if for one second he felt that S*** would be a detriment to his career it would all go away...floyd respects all his opponents and everything he does is just to sell tickets..they wanted to make him ray leonard but he didn't wanted to be fake (meaning Ray leonard wasn't the super nice smile guy that he pretended to be) And floyd just like anybody can be kayoed, because that's the only anyone will ever beat someone who can box like him...impossible to outbox him for 12 rounds, so yeah if he loses it will by ko or tko...

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JonesJrMayweather, I can see just by ur nickname dat u r a fan of flashy, slick, skilful and smart boxers, so do I... I rate Roy, Floyd, Winky and Sweat Pea all in the same category, being Shane and Meldrick in between, but dat doesn't tell the whole story concerning who's who in the respect issue... Floyd didn't respect Gatti and once called him a C+ fighter, never respected Hoya callin him a Bitch before the fight and even though he's been after that fight ever since he was struggling with one Victoriano Sosa in Fresno, CA at 135 lbs and now calls Shane a sparring partner just cos he beat Oscar, well, Shane beat Oscar twice... I don't buy the Super Smile Nice Guy in Leonard but we all know he was classy and soft-spoken, not like the "Mexican Assassin" cocaine smuggler Roger or ex-convict Papa Floyd, so if Floyd is not a bad motha fucker why does he pretend to be one? He doesn't even look like a lovable wacko a la James Toney or a psychotic, rude/tough B-Hop (specially when he - Floyd is wearing glasses)... You are all like taken by his hip hop propaganda to say that he can't be out-boxed ( Larry once said that, I believe it was against Baldomir), of course he can be out-boxed or out-brawled like Duran against Ray in Montreal... Shane can beat him to the punch and surpass him in volume of punches trown, Tony can impose a jab and body snatch him all night long, Miguel may just steamroll him against the ropes and out of there like he did to Zab and even Ricky can tag him first with left unorthodox volleys and meaty body shots and tie him up time and time again, Floyd being a virtuoso is just a Myth like Roy was, mark these words of your humble Dorfmesiter, Peace

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First...me taken by hip hop propaganda is the funniest thing i've read this week..especially seeing as how you don't me personally..if you did you'd know why that's hilarious...And if you check my post..you see that i conceded to the fact floyd will never fight shane..and that floyd has been ducking shane as he knows that at 147 shane is only person who can and possibly would beat him...stylistically shane would be his toughest fight ever..even right now and prime shane would easily beat him....

And roy was by definition a virtuoso...

Virtuoso - A brillant, skillful performer

And ruling and dominating for fifteen years is no myth but reality, the fact that he fell off the mountain instead of a slow slide downhill doesn't change the fact that he (Jones) dominated boxing like no one has ever...and to say now because he lost that it was a myth...jones was hardly prime when he fought tarver and johnson...no way was he shot physically, but being prime also includes still having the desire and hunger to stay on top which he clearly didn't as he openly said after beating ruiz there was nothing left for to do in boxing...

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You all know what I am talkin about... Floyd is now Fashion in Boxing cause he is a masterful boxer for numba 1 but also cause he imported the bad a** attitude from the Hip Hop Culture ( Get Rich or Die tryin 50 cent style) in the way he trash talks, the filthy rich robes or the ostrish skin trunks he wears, and you all think he's cool and a boxing legend - no, he's just a very good defensive boxer who can get kayoed when you least expect, sorry guys, keep on pretending I am a fool and ya'all know best, lol

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man floyd just does all that hip hop S*** for entertainment...in the ring he could care less about 50, or any other nut licking rapper...if for one second he felt that S*** would be a detriment to his career it would all go away...floyd respects all his opponents and everything he does is just to sell tickets..they wanted to make him ray leonard but he didn't wanted to be fake (meaning Ray leonard wasn't the super nice smile guy that he pretended to be) And floyd just like anybody can be kayoed, because that's the only anyone will ever beat someone who can box like him...impossible to outbox him for 12 rounds, so yeah if he loses it will by ko or tko...

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JonesJrMayweather, I can see just by ur nickname dat u r a fan of flashy, slick, skilful and smart boxers, so do I... I rate Roy, Floyd, Winky and Sweat Pea all in the same category, being Shane and Meldrick in between, but dat doesn't tell the whole story concerning who's who in the respect issue... Floyd didn't respect Gatti and once called him a C+ fighter, never respected Hoya callin him a Bitch before the fight and even though he's been after that fight ever since he was struggling with one Victoriano Sosa in Fresno, CA at 135 lbs and now calls Shane a sparring partner just cos he beat Oscar, well, Shane beat Oscar twice... I don't buy the Super Smile Nice Guy in Leonard but we all know he was classy and soft-spoken, not like the "Mexican Assassin" cocaine smuggler Roger or ex-convict Papa Floyd, so if Floyd is not a bad motha f***** why does he pretend to be one? He doesn't even look like a lovable wacko a la James Toney or a psychotic, rude/tough B-Hop (specially when he - Floyd is wearing glasses)... You are all like taken by his hip hop propaganda to say that he can't be out-boxed ( Larry once said that, I believe it was against Baldomir), of course he can be out-boxed or out-brawled like Duran against Ray in Montreal... Shane can beat him to the punch and surpass him in volume of punches trown, Tony can impose a jab and body snatch him all night long, Miguel may just steamroll him against the ropes and out of there like he did to Zab and even Ricky can tag him first with left unorthodox volleys and meaty body shots and tie him up time and time again, Floyd being a virtuoso is just a Myth like Roy was, mark these words of your humble Dorfmesiter, Peace

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I find your posts quite UNISIGHTFUL, BORING lacking any rememblence of factual sinifigance... You are a biased hater, who instead of backing up his claims and allegations, Just gos off on other tangents about irrelevance and more biased OPINION!!!!

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Boring may be your perception on my posts and boring can be my perception on Floyd's fights. I will not take from you or any other that I am a hater or that I am biased, oh no, specially because if someone insults me is because that someone, like you JT Rock, got hurt by something that I said... Since I didn't call you or any other a biased hater, "boring" ( how old are you, 16 years old???), irrelevant or uni(n)sightful, I may well say that you disagree strongly with my rightful opinions... Suggestion may be for you to discuss the ideas in those opinions and not rush into offense, Peace to You too, JT Rock

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Again you are trying to pass your OPINION as FACT and thats were the redundace in your statements lie

If anything you should know one of the basic fundamentals in communication.... There are FACTS and then there are OPINIONS... MIXING the 2 and trying to pass it of as truth is just not credible ;)

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Yeah, now I got it JT Rock, my uninsightful posts lack the so-called resemblance or factual significance because I should reply to one post where opinions are asked ( Hatton is handpicked by PBF...this is blasphemy, but please hear me out) with insightful facts and according to these communication's fundamentals ( by JT Rock), never, never allege anything at all and then go off to other tangents on more irrelevant biased opinion. Thnx for letting me know, JT Rock, can I say that I liked that? Now then, facts are that Floyd won the WBC Welterweight title in November 2006 and pretends to fight again in November 2007 ( according to Roger), Floyd said that he is a natural welterweight ( post fight interview with Larry Merchant on May 5 2007 Telecast), therefore I state Floyd Mayweather Jr is going to fight in the 147 lbs division and it makes sense he would defend the WBC title he already holds, who should he defend against? I think it would be logical to say against a WBC ranked Welterweight or another major commission welter titlist like the WBC interim welterweight champ Shane Mosley or the WBA Champ Miguel Cotto or the WBO Champ Antonio Margarito or the IBF Champ Kermit Cintron ... But Floyd wants to fight a light welter ( according to his last fight) in Ricky Hatton... Should I say Hatton is handpicked? Yes! Should I say Floyd picked Hatton to avoid Shane, Tony and Cotto? Yes!... Now tell me, was this like a secant to the given circle/curve or did I got off to other tangents? Sorry for giving you the trouble to read it :P I want to learn from you, my best regards to you

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You all know what I am talkin about... Floyd is now Fashion in Boxing cause he is a masterful boxer for numba 1 but also cause he imported the bad a** attitude from the Hip Hop Culture ( Get Rich or Die tryin 50 cent style) in the way he trash talks, the filthy rich robes or the ostrish skin trunks he wears, and you all think he's cool and a boxing legend - no, he's just a very good defensive boxer who can get kayoed when you least expect, sorry guys, keep on pretending I am a fool and ya'all know best, lol

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man floyd just does all that hip hop S*** for entertainment...in the ring he could care less about 50, or any other nut licking rapper...if for one second he felt that S*** would be a detriment to his career it would all go away...floyd respects all his opponents and everything he does is just to sell tickets..they wanted to make him ray leonard but he didn't wanted to be fake (meaning Ray leonard wasn't the super nice smile guy that he pretended to be) And floyd just like anybody can be kayoed, because that's the only anyone will ever beat someone who can box like him...impossible to outbox him for 12 rounds, so yeah if he loses it will by ko or tko...

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JonesJrMayweather, I can see just by ur nickname dat u r a fan of flashy, slick, skilful and smart boxers, so do I... I rate Roy, Floyd, Winky and Sweat Pea all in the same category, being Shane and Meldrick in between, but dat doesn't tell the whole story concerning who's who in the respect issue... Floyd didn't respect Gatti and once called him a C+ fighter, never respected Hoya callin him a Bitch before the fight and even though he's been after that fight ever since he was struggling with one Victoriano Sosa in Fresno, CA at 135 lbs and now calls Shane a sparring partner just cos he beat Oscar, well, Shane beat Oscar twice... I don't buy the Super Smile Nice Guy in Leonard but we all know he was classy and soft-spoken, not like the "Mexican Assassin" cocaine smuggler Roger or ex-convict Papa Floyd, so if Floyd is not a bad motha f***** why does he pretend to be one? He doesn't even look like a lovable wacko a la James Toney or a psychotic, rude/tough B-Hop (specially when he - Floyd is wearing glasses)... You are all like taken by his hip hop propaganda to say that he can't be out-boxed ( Larry once said that, I believe it was against Baldomir), of course he can be out-boxed or out-brawled like Duran against Ray in Montreal... Shane can beat him to the punch and surpass him in volume of punches trown, Tony can impose a jab and body snatch him all night long, Miguel may just steamroll him against the ropes and out of there like he did to Zab and even Ricky can tag him first with left unorthodox volleys and meaty body shots and tie him up time and time again, Floyd being a virtuoso is just a Myth like Roy was, mark these words of your humble Dorfmesiter, Peace

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I find your posts quite UNISIGHTFUL, BORING lacking any rememblence of factual sinifigance... You are a biased hater, who instead of backing up his claims and allegations, Just gos off on other tangents about irrelevance and more biased OPINION!!!!

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Boring may be your perception on my posts and boring can be my perception on Floyd's fights. I will not take from you or any other that I am a hater or that I am biased, oh no, specially because if someone insults me is because that someone, like you JT Rock, got hurt by something that I said... Since I didn't call you or any other a biased hater, "boring" ( how old are you, 16 years old???), irrelevant or uni(n)sightful, I may well say that you disagree strongly with my rightful opinions... Suggestion may be for you to discuss the ideas in those opinions and not rush into offense, Peace to You too, JT Rock

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Again you are trying to pass your OPINION as FACT and thats were the redundace in your statements lie

If anything you should know one of the basic fundamentals in communication.... There are FACTS and then there are OPINIONS... MIXING the 2 and trying to pass it of as truth is just not credible ;)

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Yeah, now I got it JT Rock, my uninsightful posts lack the so-called resemblance or factual significance because I should reply to one post where opinions are asked ( Hatton is handpicked by PBF...this is blasphemy, but please hear me out) with insightful facts and according to these communication's fundamentals ( by JT Rock), never, never allege anything at all and then go off to other tangents on more irrelevant biased opinion. Thnx for letting me know, JT Rock, can I say that I liked that? Now then, facts are that Floyd won the WBC Welterweight title in November 2006 and pretends to fight again in November 2007 ( according to Roger), Floyd said that he is a natural welterweight ( post fight interview with Larry Merchant on May 5 2007 Telecast), therefore I state Floyd Mayweather Jr is going to fight in the 147 lbs division and it makes sense he would defend the WBC title he already holds, who should he defend against? I think it would be logical to say against a WBC ranked Welterweight or another major commission welter titlist like the WBC interim welterweight champ Shane Mosley or the WBA Champ Miguel Cotto or the WBO Champ Antonio Margarito or the IBF Champ Kermit Cintron ... But Floyd wants to fight a light welter ( according to his last fight) in Ricky Hatton... Should I say Hatton is handpicked? Yes! Should I say Floyd picked Hatton to avoid Shane, Tony and Cotto? Yes!... Now tell me, was this like a secant to the given circle/curve or did I got off to other tangents? Sorry for giving you the trouble to read it :P I want to learn from you, my best regards to you

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You all know what I am talkin about... Floyd is now Fashion in Boxing cause he is a masterful boxer for numba 1 but also cause he imported the bad a** attitude from the Hip Hop Culture ( Get Rich or Die tryin 50 cent style) in the way he trash talks, the filthy rich robes or the ostrish skin trunks he wears, and you all think he's cool and a boxing legend - no, he's just a very good defensive boxer who can get kayoed when you least expect, sorry guys, keep on pretending I am a fool and ya'all know best, lol

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man floyd just does all that hip hop S*** for entertainment...in the ring he could care less about 50, or any other nut licking rapper...if for one second he felt that S*** would be a detriment to his career it would all go away...floyd respects all his opponents and everything he does is just to sell tickets..they wanted to make him ray leonard but he didn't wanted to be fake (meaning Ray leonard wasn't the super nice smile guy that he pretended to be) And floyd just like anybody can be kayoed, because that's the only anyone will ever beat someone who can box like him...impossible to outbox him for 12 rounds, so yeah if he loses it will by ko or tko...

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JonesJrMayweather, I can see just by ur nickname dat u r a fan of flashy, slick, skilful and smart boxers, so do I... I rate Roy, Floyd, Winky and Sweat Pea all in the same category, being Shane and Meldrick in between, but dat doesn't tell the whole story concerning who's who in the respect issue... Floyd didn't respect Gatti and once called him a C+ fighter, never respected Hoya callin him a Bitch before the fight and even though he's been after that fight ever since he was struggling with one Victoriano Sosa in Fresno, CA at 135 lbs and now calls Shane a sparring partner just cos he beat Oscar, well, Shane beat Oscar twice... I don't buy the Super Smile Nice Guy in Leonard but we all know he was classy and soft-spoken, not like the "Mexican Assassin" cocaine smuggler Roger or ex-convict Papa Floyd, so if Floyd is not a bad motha f***** why does he pretend to be one? He doesn't even look like a lovable wacko a la James Toney or a psychotic, rude/tough B-Hop (specially when he - Floyd is wearing glasses)... You are all like taken by his hip hop propaganda to say that he can't be out-boxed ( Larry once said that, I believe it was against Baldomir), of course he can be out-boxed or out-brawled like Duran against Ray in Montreal... Shane can beat him to the punch and surpass him in volume of punches trown, Tony can impose a jab and body snatch him all night long, Miguel may just steamroll him against the ropes and out of there like he did to Zab and even Ricky can tag him first with left unorthodox volleys and meaty body shots and tie him up time and time again, Floyd being a virtuoso is just a Myth like Roy was, mark these words of your humble Dorfmesiter, Peace

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First...me taken by hip hop propaganda is the funniest thing i've read this week..especially seeing as how you don't me personally..if you did you'd know why that's hilarious...And if you check my post..you see that i conceded to the fact floyd will never fight shane..and that floyd has been ducking shane as he knows that at 147 shane is only person who can and possibly would beat him...stylistically shane would be his toughest fight ever..even right now and prime shane would easily beat him....

And roy was by definition a virtuoso...

Virtuoso - A brillant, skillful performer

And ruling and dominating for fifteen years is no myth but reality, the fact that he fell off the mountain instead of a slow slide downhill doesn't change the fact that he (Jones) dominated boxing like no one has ever...and to say now because he lost that it was a myth...jones was hardly prime when he fought tarver and johnson...no way was he shot physically, but being prime also includes still having the desire and hunger to stay on top which he clearly didn't as he openly said after beating ruiz there was nothing left for to do in boxing...

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I agree with each and every thought expressed herein and I apologize to you for making anyone think you were driven by Floyd Mayweather's hype in expressing your own opinions.Yes, I don't know you personally but I can tell that you have an excellent view on these professional fighters we have mentioned above... I personally think that Floyd would be too mobile and too fast with sneaking right leads and sharp jabs ( body and head) so that Shane could get inside and break his closed shell with series of four punch blurring combos, so Shane would probably lose but still it would be lightning fast, too sweet, the perfect storm... Tony could give him trouble if he passes by Williams but Cotto and Hatton I personally don't give them a chance... What I meant was that when Roy came back to 175 lbs to win for a third time the Light-Heavy title, people had this idea as him being a "Superman" or like Michael Buffer presented him, a living legend, and the whole scenario around Floyd at the moment is that he can't be beaten ( outboxed or kayoed) and that has to do with propaganda, it's unreal ( or into the realms of mythology) and that the 50 cent, hip hop entertainment culture he ( and Cory with Nelly, and Zab) imported has to do a lot with it - the bad azz gangsta attitude, yo know, that has nothing to do with Mayweather the person - and I like Hip Hop, love it actually, more of The Game, Cypress Hill, Soul Assassins type

He never ducked Shane for chrisesakes.... Dorf I'm glad your starting to wisene up :P ;D

I'm just gonna agree to disagree with you guys obviously or views are in 2 totally different direction ;)

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You all know what I am talkin about... Floyd is now Fashion in Boxing cause he is a masterful boxer for numba 1 but also cause he imported the bad a** attitude from the Hip Hop Culture ( Get Rich or Die tryin 50 cent style) in the way he trash talks, the filthy rich robes or the ostrish skin trunks he wears, and you all think he's cool and a boxing legend - no, he's just a very good defensive boxer who can get kayoed when you least expect, sorry guys, keep on pretending I am a fool and ya'all know best, lol

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man floyd just does all that hip hop S*** for entertainment...in the ring he could care less about 50, or any other nut licking rapper...if for one second he felt that S*** would be a detriment to his career it would all go away...floyd respects all his opponents and everything he does is just to sell tickets..they wanted to make him ray leonard but he didn't wanted to be fake (meaning Ray leonard wasn't the super nice smile guy that he pretended to be) And floyd just like anybody can be kayoed, because that's the only anyone will ever beat someone who can box like him...impossible to outbox him for 12 rounds, so yeah if he loses it will by ko or tko...

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JonesJrMayweather, I can see just by ur nickname dat u r a fan of flashy, slick, skilful and smart boxers, so do I... I rate Roy, Floyd, Winky and Sweat Pea all in the same category, being Shane and Meldrick in between, but dat doesn't tell the whole story concerning who's who in the respect issue... Floyd didn't respect Gatti and once called him a C+ fighter, never respected Hoya callin him a Bitch before the fight and even though he's been after that fight ever since he was struggling with one Victoriano Sosa in Fresno, CA at 135 lbs and now calls Shane a sparring partner just cos he beat Oscar, well, Shane beat Oscar twice... I don't buy the Super Smile Nice Guy in Leonard but we all know he was classy and soft-spoken, not like the "Mexican Assassin" cocaine smuggler Roger or ex-convict Papa Floyd, so if Floyd is not a bad motha f***** why does he pretend to be one? He doesn't even look like a lovable wacko a la James Toney or a psychotic, rude/tough B-Hop (specially when he - Floyd is wearing glasses)... You are all like taken by his hip hop propaganda to say that he can't be out-boxed ( Larry once said that, I believe it was against Baldomir), of course he can be out-boxed or out-brawled like Duran against Ray in Montreal... Shane can beat him to the punch and surpass him in volume of punches trown, Tony can impose a jab and body snatch him all night long, Miguel may just steamroll him against the ropes and out of there like he did to Zab and even Ricky can tag him first with left unorthodox volleys and meaty body shots and tie him up time and time again, Floyd being a virtuoso is just a Myth like Roy was, mark these words of your humble Dorfmesiter, Peace

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First...me taken by hip hop propaganda is the funniest thing i've read this week..especially seeing as how you don't me personally..if you did you'd know why that's hilarious...And if you check my post..you see that i conceded to the fact floyd will never fight shane..and that floyd has been ducking shane as he knows that at 147 shane is only person who can and possibly would beat him...stylistically shane would be his toughest fight ever..even right now and prime shane would easily beat him....

And roy was by definition a virtuoso...

Virtuoso - A brillant, skillful performer

And ruling and dominating for fifteen years is no myth but reality, the fact that he fell off the mountain instead of a slow slide downhill doesn't change the fact that he (Jones) dominated boxing like no one has ever...and to say now because he lost that it was a myth...jones was hardly prime when he fought tarver and johnson...no way was he shot physically, but being prime also includes still having the desire and hunger to stay on top which he clearly didn't as he openly said after beating ruiz there was nothing left for to do in boxing...

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I agree with each and every thought expressed herein and I apologize to you for making anyone think you were driven by Floyd Mayweather's hype in expressing your own opinions.Yes, I don't know you personally but I can tell that you have an excellent view on these professional fighters we have mentioned above... I personally think that Floyd would be too mobile and too fast with sneaking right leads and sharp jabs ( body and head) so that Shane could get inside and break his closed shell with series of four punch blurring combos, so Shane would probably lose but still it would be lightning fast, too sweet, the perfect storm... Tony could give him trouble if he passes by Williams but Cotto and Hatton I personally don't give them a chance... What I meant was that when Roy came back to 175 lbs to win for a third time the Light-Heavy title, people had this idea as him being a "Superman" or like Michael Buffer presented him, a living legend, and the whole scenario around Floyd at the moment is that he can't be beaten ( outboxed or kayoed) and that has to do with propaganda, it's unreal ( or into the realms of mythology) and that the 50 cent, hip hop entertainment culture he ( and Cory with Nelly, and Zab) imported has to do a lot with it - the bad azz gangsta attitude, yo know, that has nothing to do with Mayweather the person - and I like Hip Hop, love it actually, more of The Game, Cypress Hill, Soul Assassins type

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i understand what you're saying with the hip hop, but i wouldn't immediately say that just because a fighter walks out with a rapper that he's importing hip hop into his attitude..because shane is as nice as one can seem...and he walked out with Ludacris rapping behind him...Shane when he p4p no 2 many were comparing him to the two previous "sugars" adn it had nothing to do with ludacris, but rather his fast powerful combinations...Floyd on the other might just be using 50, because floyd is trying to laung his little crappy record label "filthy rich" and maybe needs fifty for his connections, whos knows, but floyd before he won a title was always arrogant during his interviews, because he felt like being the bad guy sells more tickets, i recall an early interview back when his only a few fights, and he was sitting with uncles roger aND JEFF, and he was so laid back, he showed confidence in his ability, not once did he come off as arrogant..when that happened i don't know, but i still don't see him as arrogant but rather cofident adn he should be, because the fighters his been talking about he know he can beat...

I'm late on this thread...so I probably shouldn't say this...there's no malice in my statement per se...but this is yet again another case of no matter what the fwock Floyd does...it'll never be enough to satisfy critics or despondent fans.

If Floyd handles Hatton...great.

If Floyd handles Cotto...great.

If Floyd handles Shane...great.

If not...oh well. Floyd's nailed his straps & done enough for me & honestly...he might as well hang it up because if he's satisfied with what he's done in the game...great...cuz he sure as shit aint gonna satisfy his critics...no matter what.

There's no malice, this is blasphemy but please... It seems like the Forum members r aware that some other fellas can be quite touchy to say the least in what concerns to express what they really feel about this or that fighter... I have no such problem and do feel Floyd is playing arrogant now and is ducking most of all Shane and Tony... See, Tony can say 4 himself he is underrated and has never ducked anybody cause he went up in weight to challenge WBO Light Middle Champ Daniel Santos ( lost unfairly on a 10th round split decision in PR after being butted and getting a nasty cut on the eye) and came back to 147 lbs to defend his WBO title against the interim WBO Welter titlist undefeated Kermit Cintron ( 24-0, 22 KOs) and kayoed him, still fights undefeated Nº1 Contender Paul Williams like Cotto fought Urkal and Zab when he didn't need to ( and possibly fights Tony next)... If Floyd doesn't give the WBC Interim Champion a shot at the title, it's plain and simple ( only one conceivable view on this JT Rock), he's ducking him. And if was to mention one other fighter Floyd definitely doesn't want to fight is 5'11'' tall relentless, pressure fighter-puncher Tony Margarito so, so retirement or Hatton are always good excuses, Wacko...

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shane IMO is the biggest threat to PBF. his hand speed and ability to put his shots together could allow him keep PBF on the defense. at the same time PBF is dangerous when he on the ropes. plus shane can turn into a robot at times. shane had his chance to fight PBF but decline. then soon as his cash cow ODL say he fight shane then all of a sudden he wants to get in the mix. that some serious little kid S***.

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Just 4 the record, "The Boxer" has told lies in his effort 2 make PBF look like he's in a lose-lose situation chosing opponents... I understand that Floyd's Team and Fan Club want to convince everybody else dat he had no other option but Light Welter Ricky Hatton, but dat is a whole lot of bull and it doesn't work... Shane told Floyd when the lil brat wanted him dat he needed time to adjust back to 147 lbs after two fights against 160 pounder Vargas and dat would take sum time and a tune-up fight ( the WBC interim Welter title shutout win against Louie Collazo), Tony Challenged PBF and awesome self Miguel's willing to fight everybody but then you sau Arum is in the way. If you guys want to prove otherwise, let me tell ya something: Floyd only wanted Shane to get to dat ODLH fight, since he got it anyway cause Oscar didn't duck him like he's doing to Mosley, Tony and Miguel, PBF just ignores Shane and everyone now - This is quite simple, PBF fights a light welter 4 the IBO title, PBF gets stripped of both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles, Shane becomes the new WBC Welter Champ and fights Kermit, Miguel or/and Tony or Paul to determine who's the best at 147, nobody will care about PBF claim to have P 4 P status or "All Time Greatness"...

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You call 'The Boxer" a liar and you havent made one factual statement yet.... you are merely speculating about Shane... Shane said that Floyd should fight Margarito, Shane said his tooth was loose, Shane recently said he was leaning toward retirement.. THOSE WERE FACTS!!!!!

Floyd just finished fighting Delahoya almost 2 months ago!!!!! Tell me something Einstein, who was the last fighter you knew of to just jump into an agreement to fight another guy that soon, especially one of FLoyds caliber???? Correct me if I'm wrong here but dosent Cotto have an agreement to fight Margarito depending on the outcome of the Williams fight??

Wake up man and stop the hate... The funny thing is Floyd is the closest thing to an alltime great (other than Mosely) than any of the fighters that you mentioned.... ::**

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I have been thinking about this for some time about all boxers. Guys I think that interviews after fights should be viewed as just that.....interviews after fights. The person just gave more emotional and physical output than at any other time (win or lose) so comments have to be taken in that context.

For example I love racing and I had a favourite driver who always said dumb shit after a race.....finally he ended up locking himself in his trailer for 30 minutes or so after incidents to calm down before commenting on anything.

Sorry, it's not just post fight interviews, the trio Floyd, Roger and Big L just pump bs from their holla anytime people ask them this or dat, I guess they like taunting people and play assals, yo know, entrances a la Prince Naseem hamed like in AC, a la gladiator in LV or just in mexican colours and sombreros in Cinco de Mayo... But I'll stop the so-called needless hate as soon as the Pretty one ( actually Pretty Boy Floyd was a serial killer in the early 20 th Century, wasn't he? What a bad nickname 4 a defensive, safety first fighter!), as soon as the Pretty Boy resumes his career 4 good - If people say he's done enough for his sake, that should be it and he can join Sven Ottke, Gene Tunney and all undefeated all time great retired fighters - hail to the new P 4 P Nº1 Manny Pacquiao and hail to the new WBC Welter Champ Suga Shane! Now let's c in the next months if Floyd was just sayin he was retired 2 get a good payday with a guy like Hatton and avoid all others or is I dat am biased?...

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Yeah, it's odd but I got to know what Mayweather may suffer of - Bovarism, it's a schizo symptom related to the misperception of reality itself and of himself, Floyd really believes he's Sugar Ray Robinson in the undefeated 21st century version, one fashionable genius, really sad, straight from the MGM Grand Arena to the Mental Hospital.

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I'm late on this thread...so I probably shouldn't say this...there's no malice in my statement per se...but this is yet again another case of no matter what the fwock Floyd does...it'll never be enough to satisfy critics or despondent fans.

If Floyd handles Hatton...great.

If Floyd handles Cotto...great.

If Floyd handles Shane...great.

If not...oh well. Floyd's nailed his straps & done enough for me & honestly...he might as well hang it up because if he's satisfied with what he's done in the game...great...cuz he sure as shit aint gonna satisfy his critics...no matter what.

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wack i couldn't agree more. don't you remember when everybody said he was duckin hatton. now theres the possiblitly of a fight and people are still unhappy.

:coolclick: wacko
:coolclick: gyro

Wacko3205 and The Boxer, there's one thing that Floyd could do that would satisfy me - don't fight anyone and shut the fwok up, that's not too much to ask for, is it? Stay retired please, go and start an acting career or a rap-artist career and let the real life welterweights Mosley, Tony, Miguel, Cintron and Williams fight between themselves and get to know who'll be the last standing. Floyd fans can enjoy his past achievements forever more or follow his circus fighting "out of retirement" against who disrespects him the most, who resembles more to the lamb about to be slayed and who bring more money on Mayweather Family's table. Period.