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"No baby,dont worry,I really love you,now do you mind signing these papers giving me rights of attorney?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
"Dont worry Mike,only in America can you get the representation available,let me introduce you to my lawyer,he'll go over the contracts with you"
"Hate to break this to you,we know Don's rich,and Robins rich,but you owe the IRS......."
Im not mentioning names but someone in my family went through so much stuff that it makes what Tyson had seem like nothing he done it to himself nothing really that bad happened to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
I think both sides are correct someone with a mental illness is vulnarable especially someone in tysons position against people that make careers leaching of of people like him that are a million times more intellegent...everyone wants the fame and riches but very few know how to handle it. Now it's easy for us to sit here and say we could but everyone is a finicial genious and can sit and say i would do this i wouldn't do that but it's east to say when you don't have it and hard to do when you do.....it happens to many celebs and sports people all the time...look at how many former whatevers is broke as shit now....mike tyson was a dummy in a long list of simaliar dummy's mentaly ill or not.
So icb,Your relation got done for 10,000,000 in cold blood then have the FBI, because they couldnt get the main man imprison you to fuck the other guy from making money. At the trial having 3 top agents there in a town where they had never seen 1 do me a favour. My mate was covering the trial and told me it was the biggest stitch up he had seen, hes not a Tyson fan.
Anybody remember her saying under oath,that this wasnt about selling her story,then as soon the guilty verdict came in,she sold her story.
Im not condoning alot of the things Mikes done,but looking at him while Cus was still alive,he was so totally different then the wounded animal Ive watched stumble around with a target on his back for the last 17 years
There is a little Mike Tyson in us all , make no mistake.
Indeed. I once bit somebody because they headbutted me except i aimed for their forehead. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Sometimes folks are responsible for their actions when suffering from ceratin illnesses, and sometimes they are not, if we're speaking in legal terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
I do not at all hold Tyson up as a complete victim who did bad things because he was both disturbed and manipulated. He lives as a responsible person in this world along with the rest of us, and we all have to make choices on how to live and act. We do this each with our own mixture of desires, challenges, weaknesses, strengths ... sometimes our lusts, weaknesses, despair (throw in a bit of booze to enhance) are quite powerful in comparison with our "better self" ... it is still incumbant upon us to live responsibly among our fellows.
Certainly there are those who took advantage of Tyson, and this was one of the things that played into his own life perspective. That doesn't turn you into a rapist or an ear-eater. :)
But the flippant manner in which some categorize others is shallow, incorrect and ungenerous. That's not as serious a crime as rape or even aural canibalism ... but it is still wrong. That means that we're not dealing with our own limitations very graciously or well ... we share that same human nature that led Tyson astray.
I've lived among ghetto folk, and was insulted for all of them by the comment that 'you can take a person out of the ghetto, but not the ghetto out of the person.' It is an ignorant statement because it appears to know nothing of the real people in the ghetto, most of whom have the same dreams and desires and values as the folks who live in nicer places. It's hard to live good when you have nothing, real hard. Some of them do, and some of them don't, but that's not so different from those that do have, is it?
you said it much more succinctly than I ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
I highly doubt VD would say anything intending to hurt someone's feelings. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by NuthaPug
On a serious note tho, its just a saying, let it go. Words are only words nothing more.
But to say, I'm not gonna be like that...it takes a lot to do that when you have nothing in the refrigerator. It takes a lot. That's adversity. It's so easy to take the easy way out. It's so easy to lay down. It's so hard to get up.-Bernrard Hopkins
This is the fight that got me thinking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SNJgYKtt0o
And how does that turn someone into a bad person ?? and yes my relation had way more things happen to them than what Tyson had and guess what ?? they went through bad S*** and turned into one of the nicest people i've ever met and i admire that person one of the bravest humanbeings i've ever seen they dealt with it Tyson done it all to himself no one made him do anything he was bad even when he was with Cus they tried to cover it up so i heard i don't hate Tyson but no one made him do anything we all have choices in our lives and Tyson sadly for him chose the bad path.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
I have a hard time believing that anybody out there had it worse than tyson. He was guardianless at 13. He was deep into trouble by that time too (drugs, crime etc.). Had a rough rough childhood if you could call it that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
So what ?? alot of people go through bad childhood that doesn't turn you into a bad person and he didn't have it any worse than what any other child goes through when they have very bad childhood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
It does increase your oddsQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
And isnt it interesting that you laud this person as being "one of the bravest people Ive ever known" but deride Mike in the same breath.
Doesnt an assumption that just because one person overcame long odds means everyone should be able to,belittle that persons accomplishment?
I'm saying actions make a person bad not their upbringing. Their upbrining does however shape them into the person they are to an extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Look im sorry to sound aggressive but im sick of these excuses he went through bad time but so what ?? alot of people do and they don't all turn into bad people no one makes you turn into anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
I understand this im not saying it doesn't but what im saying is alot of people go through very bad parts in there lives but its how you deal with it and you can use it to make you stronger person or you can crumble its simple as that and im not saying people are weak if they crumble not everyone is a strong person mentally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
Still missing the initial pointQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
What if Cus hadnt died that early?
What if someone who actually gave a damn about anything more then Mikes money had stepped in to fill the void?
Young,short on life experience,and making millions is a bad combo without some form of mentorship,I cant help but wonder that it didnt have to be this way
You can say that about anyone there are alot of ifs in this life who knows what would of happened ?? maybe it would of got worse maybe it would of got better ?? but no one can 100 percent predict anything its all just ifs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Ice. , its not only those things that scrap mentioned. its the lack of family structure , , picked on and teased as a child. no mother or father, being on the street all alone. fighting to survive. fighting to eat. It's easy to second guess someone until you been in their shoes, see life as they see it . Robin and her mother was there for the gold. Mike was truly in love with Robin . If you take his up bringing or lack there of., then mix it with a gold digging snuff queen, who's only purpose was to rob him blind , its an explosive situation for any man,Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Add in a coniving theif of a promoter,and a pack of "advisors" whose main advise was along the lines ofQuote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
"Have some more coke Mike,its not adictive"
and
"I really think you should be paying me more"
All of which disapeered in to the woodwork as soon as the money dried up.
Man, its amazing how people can forget what actually happened to this kid. He was from the ghetto, rough lifestyle, got into boxing, and it was his release. Cus did a great job controlling the kid, and for the first time in his life he had a father figure that gave a shit. He molded that kid, took him into his own home, and treated him like a son. C uz was involve with Tyson, he truly treated him like he was his own authentic offspring. He made the kid into what he WAS, he took that RAW machine like power and directed it into a devastating style of fighting. Right when Tyson was breaking out, right when Tyson needed CUS the most, he wasn’t there, cus died and whom did Tyson have to go to? He just became the youngest champ, MONEY, WOMEN, POLITICS, were to follow. No one around him cared enough to watch out for him. I can honestly say, if Cus was around it would have been different, he would of guided Tyson.
I know this will sound cliché, but look at the movie rocky, Mickey was with rocky and rocky was from a rough neighborhood no family, but he turned out alright. Then you got Tommy gun who had the same background was being lead around by Duke. There was no one to guide him. Obviously its just a movie but it’s a prime example of when someone has guidance they have a better shot of picking right from wrong.
To this day, when someone sees a young strong prospect in the HWD they say “next Tyson!” OR he hit like Tyson. But the fact of the matter is, there will never be another tyson. That ferociousness was not just from his muscle, but the life he lived before boxing came into his life, he channeled those demons into every punch. But, when he lost his way, those demons left his punches and engulfed his head.
Well put Deuce,CC
Go back and look at the Richardson fight,I you tube linked it on the last page
Not just how he fights,though the power and form is undeniable,but how he reacts to winning.As soon as the ten count is up,he rushes over to help him up,and as soon as he gets his goves cut off,he immediatly go's over to his corner to check on him.
Compare that to the tattooed freak show of recent years
agreed
I don't mean to be hammering on VD in particular, just explaining my reaction to the words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
Words are just words? I don't think so at all. But that discussion is for another forum! :)