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Re: Is Evan Fields the biggest drug cheat since Ben Johnson
I hate these discussions, would just like for them to playout BUT, let's not say that suspecting Holyfield of steroid use is degrading. The fact is, a guy named Evan Fields was on the client list for a company that was selling HGH, and the number attached to that name was Evander Holyfield's own personal cell phone.
Now of course, I'm sure there are 1000 explanations for this, but I wouldn't come to hard from either side of the equation. Steroids have been culture in sports for a long time. Especially in the late 80's when Holyfield moved up to heavyweight. Now that doesn't prove anything one way or the other, but that is just what the deal is right now. Steroids being a cheating supplement is a relatively new idea.
They used to be just part of getting in shape and building muscle, Jim Haslett tried to acknowledge that and got absolutely slammed because of the stigma now attached to steroid use.
Who knows what the deal is, but I think everyone should cool down a bit, not call Evander a cheat right now but not call anyone who is suspicious a hater or anything of that sort either because right now we don't know.
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I aint biased against americans, since you have lovingly trawled through my posts, copy and paste an example of my american hate where I have no other agenda other than to bash americans
Look no further than the 1st page of the thread, you mentioned Mosely, Jones jr
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you come in a boxing forum with Justin Timberlakes initials and you want to be taken seriously ;)
Right ::**
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Re: Is Evan Fields the biggest drug cheat since Ben Johnson
I mentioned Mosely and Jones Jr because they were amongst the names that I had read about being drugs cheats, where is that wrong
Name me any other nationality of fighter that has been in the media for this ?
Im not saying there isnt any but I just havent read about them, I was making a point that steroids are rife not that Americans cheat, they were the only names available
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I mentioned Mosely and Jones Jr because they were amongst the names that I had read about being drugs cheats, where is that wrong
A lot of that also has to do with America being seemingly the toughest on steroid users.
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Originally Posted by ross
I mentioned Mosely and Jones Jr because they were amongst the names that I had read about being drugs cheats, where is that wrong
Name me any other nationality of fighter that has been in the media for this ?
Im not saying there isnt any but I just havent read about them, I was making a point that steroids are rife not that Americans cheat, they were the only names available
Our Justice system is innocent till proven guilty... If Evander was an Habitual Roid user he would have a laundry list of medical problems, liver, kidneys etc.... Evander works and always worked extremely hard throughout his career 100000000000000000000000000000000% day in and day out without hesitation, with an unmatched preperation and dedication to readiness for battle. While Holmes, Ali and Foreman were slugging around the ring in there comeback like Riddick Bowe at a Buffet, Evander at 44 is probably the fittest Heavy competing today
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Re: Is Evan Fields the biggest drug cheat since Ben Johnson
but we now have to reconsider just how great he was and how much of his fitness at 44 can be attributed to drugs, yes he works hard but the drugs would allow him to
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Well I don't want to sound completely cyncical here but I believe that in EVERY field of sport, business and life in general EVERYBODY does illegal, underhand, forbidden things to stay ahead or to get ahead.
Evander probably has taken stuff during his career as I am sure has virtually every other pro boxer and professional athlete in the world ever.
I'm sure Princess Diana probably took cocaine, as have her two sons.
Why do we always throw up our arms in mock shock and disbelief when people are accused of doing something?
I've never met a person who wasn't doing something that could be classed as either illegal, unethical or against the rules of their organisation or empoloyer.
The ones we hear about are the people who get caught, but I'm fairly certain that everyone who isn't caught is guilty too.
I'm not trying to sound like everybody is corrupt here, it's just that you cannot succeed in life if you play totally by the rules and never do anything wrong ever.
Show me a 100% sinless man and I gurantee he will be a complete sucker.
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Ross, I have gone to great lengths to read through your posts and not only are you very knowledgable on boxing but the fighters you mentioned were all infact involved in steroid scandal, I also searched that and found you to be 100% correct, cc to you big boy......gotta go, the special needs school bus is here
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It has been proved that Holyfield bought human growth hormone and testosterone recently
You make it sound like your saying a fact when your not.
Well the story that trainer monkey posted a link to proves that what you have highlighted in bold for me is in fact, fact ;D :appl: :bootyshake:
No it doesn't its an opinion plus Holyfield being accused its not a fact.
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Some of you guys really show ignorance here... you doubted that arnold wa son steroids? you cant compete in pro body building without them and with the stuff they have access today pro bodybuilders look almos tinhuman thats the diffrence between natural and roids theres no comparison, go to a natural bodybuilding small venue youll see guys in awesome shape I wen to one and there was a an ass!!!hole there on jiice the whole crowed booed he looked totally out of place, you canty compete in bodybuilding of all sports without them..
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Show me a 100% sinless man and I gurantee he will be a complete sucker. Its actually a sighn of weakness that people have to bend the rules when you can win while someone is cheating its all the more significant you feel your opponent is a mental weakling
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Some of you guys really show ignorance here... you doubted that arnold wa son steroids? you cant compete in pro body building without them and with the stuff they have access today pro bodybuilders look almos tinhuman thats the diffrence between natural and roids theres no comparison, go to a natural bodybuilding small venue youll see guys in awesome shape I wen to one and there was a an a**!!!hole there on jiice the whole crowed booed he looked totally out of place, you canty compete in bodybuilding of all sports without them..
Maybe you should read posts properly before commenting as the Arnold postings were clearly meant to be sarcastic ;)
I expect virtually ever professional athlete has taken some form of banned substance in their lives just as every person who has ever lived has done something illegal to get by.
As I said before show me 100% sinless man and I'll show you a complete sucker.
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Roids and HGH are totally different substances
And yes,Evander has been named on a probe for mail order HGH
Deal with it
RJJ used riods?.....as far as Evander goes you don't have to be 230+ to use roids....
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Originally Posted by pacdog
Show me a 100% sinless man and I gurantee he will be a complete sucker. Its actually a sighn of weakness that people have to bend the rules when you can win while someone is cheating its all the more significant you feel your opponent is a mental weakling
The only ones who ain't 'cheating' usually thank God for all of their victories which imo is an even bigger form of 'cheating'.
Surely having the supreme creator of the entire universe in your corner is more of an aid than a few chemicals.......
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If your truly not cheating Im sorry to say like the gentleman above stated you need some help as the world is corrupt and some people see god as the equalizer, speak out agains tthings that are wrong and i defnetly see why people invoke god... not saying god gives you victory but he enables u to do your best.. Dont quite get you comment, most peoples loyality lie in deception if your victory is in deception its a sham look at flo jo....
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It has been proved that Holyfield bought human growth hormone and testosterone recently but you have to cast a suspicious eye over his relationship with Lee Haney while he was trying to become a heavyweight, I believe evander has unscrupulously used religion to blindside the public to his misdemeanours.
Its about time every single fighter was tested as its becoming more frequent that top fighters are getting found out, Jones jr, Mosely, Toneym and Holyfield
Jones Jr was never "found out" you don't know the story do you?
They take two tests for steroids its called and a test and a b test.
Roy's a test was positive but it was very little, however Roy said he never took steroids and agreed to take a b test to prove he didnt. And the B test was negative :)
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again ignorance prevails here you cand ebate hour upon hour on whether holy, roy jones did roids or other drugs the bottom line is you can cycle on and off in time without them showing up you still reover faster and are stronger thats the secret to 45 year old pitches, mma guys who are competive recoverey
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there is no so thing as a sinlessman thats true I have to say I have more respect for the man that tries though... to me this is why professinal sports has become a joke the nba is an absolute farce now you coudnt pay me to watch these guys run up and down the court in a regular season game... athletes in some sports are high payed and incredibly ordinary,, when you say sucker you mean stupid, like I said there is nothing more satysifing than beaten a man who has cheated with an advantage and you beat him any way... to me the indivdual is now a weakiling a child...
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Originally Posted by ross
It has been proved that Holyfield bought human growth hormone and testosterone recently but you have to cast a suspicious eye over his relationship with Lee Haney while he was trying to become a heavyweight, I believe evander has unscrupulously used religion to blindside the public to his misdemeanours.
Its about time every single fighter was tested as its becoming more frequent that top fighters are getting found out, Jones jr, Mosely, Toneym and Holyfield
Jones Jr was never "found out" you don't know the story do you?
They take two tests for steroids its called and a test and a b test.
Roy's a test was positive but it was very little, however Roy said he never took steroids and agreed to take a b test to prove he didnt. And the B test was negative :)
I didn't think RJJ did roids......
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I really dont know but his faces especially in the ruiz fight showed every symptom of roid/ hgh, but who knows... like I said most athletes use em.. many athletes are dying in their late 50's 60's
the light that shines twice as bright burns half as long your body is overworked.
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by ross
It has been proved that Holyfield bought human growth hormone and testosterone recently but you have to cast a suspicious eye over his relationship with Lee Haney while he was trying to become a heavyweight, I believe evander has unscrupulously used religion to blindside the public to his misdemeanours.
Its about time every single fighter was tested as its becoming more frequent that top fighters are getting found out, Jones jr, Mosely, Toneym and Holyfield
Jones Jr was never "found out" you don't know the story do you?
They take two tests for steroids its called and a test and a b test.
Roy's a test was positive but it was very little, however Roy said he never took steroids and agreed to take a b test to prove he didnt. And the B test was negative :)
I haven't heard anything about that.
The fact that Roy tested positive for steroids did not come out for like 4 years when Richard Hall said it in an interview. Roy never took a second test, he took one test, tested positive as did Richard Hall and then when the fight was going to be declared a No Contest, he had lawyers fight that because Indiana had no drug testing policy.
This all came out like 3 years ago, when it would have been far to late for a second test to have been taken. Roy didn't fight it at all, I have a Ring Magazine article about it and I'm sure there is plenty about it online.
Jones blamed the whole thing on Ripped Fuel.
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Lets finally put this to bed! How ignorant can you be! Holyfield has NEVER, and I mean NEVER failed a drug test. He's tested for steroids, HGH and several other performance enhancing drugs and has always tested negative! Period! So all these JACKASS' and that's putting in kindly, quit your finger pointing and accusations that Holyfield used steriods. You don't have shit! So this Evan Fields crap, come on jagbag give me a fucking break num nuts. If you don't like Holyfield, that's fine, just don't accuse him of something you don't know shit about, JACKASS!
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OK, reading up a bit more about it now including the original interview with Jones' manager and Jones said he was exonerated by the Commission, but the commissioner said that didn't happen.
http://www.boxinginsider.net/news/stories/61774588.php
That right there is what I've been going on for a long time now, pretty much everything I said in the first post. From the highest authority, don't see any reason to trust a manager over that.
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Ah Amat, very interesting, it basicly says that no US state has any law on drug testing, its about time they did, if Nevada had it, im sure the UFC would be wiped out for a start
Toney has now been banned for a year for being found guilty again ::**
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Actually Nevada and California do have drug testing. California took up theres fairly recently and has upped it since the new commission was formed a few months ago but Nevada with the Ratner headed commission has had it for a while.
I think a lot of the reason a lot of fighters from Pride in Japan don't go to the UFC is because of drug testing.
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Oh I didnt bother searching, its just the artical said something about no states having any policys.
Randleman got caught though in pride
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but we now have to reconsider just how great he was and how much of his fitness at 44 can be attributed to drugs, yes he works hard but the drugs would allow him to
No,
We dont have to reconsider a god damn thing because nothing is proven. If it makes you sleep better at night, you can question Holyfields professional career. I will NOT. (unless given proof) And so far the total 5 pages of this post has done nothing of the sort.
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Exactly 5 pages, why do we need 5 pages of people defending drug abuse in sports
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Exactly 5 pages, why do we need 5 pages of people defending drug abuse in sports
I've never seen the big deal to be honest. If people want to use drugs let them. I'd actually like to see some extreme fighters undergo genetic enhancements as well, maybe insert some titanium plating into their jaw or maybe so spikes in their head for gouging.
The true Ultimate Fighting won't happen until the combatants are more machine than man and personally if it ever happens you can gaurantee I'll be getting that shit on PPV
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Yeah fair play, let them take it but also make 2 different sports, proffesional boxing and drug enhanced professional boxing.
Then we can see who deserves our praise or not
The one person id be dissapointed in finding out he took performance enhancers in his heydey is Tyson, he was something special but even when he was a kid he was built like a brick shiit house and still is now, no one on drugs could match his speed or skill (while he was in catskills)
Drugs can do so much but skill can overcome
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It has been proved that Holyfield bought human growth hormone and testosterone recently but you have to cast a suspicious eye over his relationship with Lee Haney while he was trying to become a heavyweight, I believe evander has unscrupulously used religion to blindside the public to his misdemeanours.
Its about time every single fighter was tested as its becoming more frequent that top fighters are getting found out, Jones jr, Mosely, Toneym and Holyfield
ha. I was a little worried, but I should have know.
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I'm sure Lee Haney NEVER used steroids. He won all of his Mr Olympia titles through hard work and great genetics, same as Arnold >:mad
Big fan of Arnold, so I watched one of his biography's. Hate to say it but he admitted to steroids.
lol I was being sarcastic, Arnold openly used steroids as did all of them back then. Even more disturbing to me is that most of the top bodybuilders were financed by gay fans and many of them allowed themselves to be wanked off and even bummed for cash from their sponsors.
The seedy part of early bodybuilding that nobody ever talks about :-X
Ha. I was a bit worried for you, but I should have known that it was sarcasm. CC