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I gotta disagree here Pryor the best 140 lber. all time... Nah! Surely you gott
Well lets see here name a fighter Loi,Loche or Cervantes fought that was huge Chavvez I agree with but lets not forget the matchups here to think Loi would stand a chance against the punching power of aaron pryor is insanity. Cervantes and Loche were great fighters but did not dominate like pryor he had one loss late in his career and his toughest fight was against alexis arguello a true lightweight but you can not count out 39 wins and 35 by KO. Also you seem to not have noticed that Henry Armstrong and Pernell whitaker at 140 who chavez ducked in a rematch after their draw. Sugar Ray Robinson even fought a lot at 140 or 142 during welterweight fights and hector camacho is someone also considering and Armstrong and Whitaker were surely better than Loi cervantes and Loche hell Loi never even fought out of Italy just because a websiute has listings and has them listed as a weight class it dosent mean they wouldnt or didnt excel at another weight class and lets make sure we are talking about matchups here i agree with chavez mayweather would be a great fight but frankie randall de la hoya although chavez was past his prime as well as meldrick taylor gave Chavez a lot of trouble and the hand speed of mayweather would give chavez a lot of trouble. O wait didnt Aaron Pryor knockout Cervantes in the fourth round idc if he was past his prime he was crushed by pryor and lost to multiple journeymen with losing records by knockout.When u come from the same town as willie pep you know about no name or not really well known fighters that were great a legend dosent neccesarilly mean u were the most popular. Anyone who says pep isnt a legend dosent know boxing.Mayweather hammers cervantes loi and beats loche and chavez on points he losses to Whitaker in a close decision but ouitpoints Armstrong possibly outpoints Pryor if he can withstand his power.Lets also not forget benny leonard who was usually 137 or 136 when very few fights were for titles he modern day would be a 140 guy and he had 70 kos in 90 fights with only 5 losses we need to keep this guys in mind LEGENDS
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RESPECT to dantheman for Perspective...
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Like I said in another thread. For me he has to unify does not matter at what weight just unify. In my mind he will select 140 with is easier but for me 147(MArgo/Williams, Cotto, MOsley) or 154(Travis Simms = nuff said) will do it.
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Heres :coolclick: #2 on me dantheman5166 and Welcome aboard the Saddo Express.... 8)
Hope you enjoy your stay here.....
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When it comes down to it what the true fight fan feels about pretty boy Floyds legacy is all that matters. Lets not forget that Floyd has already beaten champions such as corrales,castillo,judah,chavez,gatti, manfredy and of course Oscar some names which even the casual fight fan has heard of before.
I personally would remove Judah from that list and add 'Chicanito' Hndz. I just don't think Zab held regards by the time they met and I ain't saying this just now I've been saying it since before they fought. I don't care how well Zabs and PBFs styles matched and how Zabs as fast or faster and stronger then PBF.... The fact the fight was sgined prior to the PBF fight is what makes it worst... 'Chicanito' was working on his 5th defense if memory serves me right and was more experienced then PBF so I hold that win higher then him beating a Zab that was well past it and I don't care if he won the 1st 3 rounds, a fight is scheduled for 12 not 3 rounds...
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Floyd Mayweather jr. posseses hands down some of the best boxing skills we have seen of late. Now if Floyd were to fight 5-8 more major fights and win them all he would cement his legacy as one of the top 20 fighters i feel of all time. Mosley, Cotto ,Margarito,Hatton,Cintron,Williams,Clottey,Hopkins , or even Spinks, Malinaggi or Junior Witter who many forget hasnt lost since 2000 to Zab Judah when he was in his prime.
Right off the bat knock off Cintron off that list he won't be getting any credit by beating him thats for damn sure... Same applies for Witter he won't get S***! for beating him even if he hasn't lost since 2000 those 2 guys aren't stand outs at least now in their divisions.
Knock off B-Hop also that fight ain't happening....
SMM, Cotto, Margarito, Hatton, Clottey and Spinks could be future opponents... Those are names that mean/stand for something those are names that will give PBF credit.....
Williams who is yet to prove himself I would discredit until the result of the Margarito fight....
I think Spinks would PBF a good fight really surprised no ones mentioned that match up before...
Spinks might be the one to beat PBF.... Who knows....
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The opponents are out there if you look from 140-154 weightclasses where floyd would be able to compete in there are plenty of opponents for floyd to make a case as of the best of his generation and ever. With Floyds defensive skills and hand speed to think he would not stand a chance against Sugar Ray Leonard at 147 or Tommy Hearns at 147 is ignorant.
I see what your saying and I agree that it's ignorant NOT to THINK that PBF does not stand a chance against SRL or Hearns at anyweight BUT you gotta understand something and we've discussed this here, PBF has only had 1 opponent of great stature to fight and he did beat ODLH. The reason why people tend to always lean to the oldschool fighters in this case SRL, Hearns is because they had great opponents. Duran, Hagler, De Jesus, Benitez and others. PBF hasn't really had marquee names at the top with him add that to the fact that he wen't thru divisions like used to run through women and thats why people give him the flack he get's cause he hasn't really dominated a signle division.
first of all its D-hop not B-hop and with his uncle promoting along with oscar u know hes gunna get great fights even if he isnt on floyds level how can you hate on cintron when hes only got one loss to another great champion in margaritowith two or three more wins he gets his name back in the mix i love how u agree spinks would be a great matchup because he has great boxing skills and although he lacks ko power he could give floyd trouble. Witter or Malinaggi arent huge names eas of right now but alls it takes is one big win for people wanting to see someone like that to fight floyd and hatton could be the man that ends all of this because if you can knock JLC you can knock down anyone watchout floyd gunna be a great fight .
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what do ya think there mick
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Well lets see here name a fighter Loi,Loche or Cervantes fought that was huge Chavvez I agree with but lets not forget the matchups here to think Loi would stand a chance against the punching power of aaron pryor is insanity. Cervantes and Loche were great fighters but did not dominate like pryor he had one loss late in his career and his toughest fight was against alexis arguello a true lightweight but you can not count out 39 wins and 35 by KO. Also you seem to not have noticed that Henry Armstrong and Pernell whitaker at 140 who chavez ducked in a rematch after their draw. Sugar Ray Robinson even fought a lot at 140 or 142 during welterweight fights and hector camacho is someone also considering and Armstrong and Whitaker were surely better than Loi cervantes and Loche hell Loi never even fought out of Italy just because a websiute has listings and has them listed as a weight class it dosent mean they wouldnt or didnt excel at another weight class and lets make sure we are talking about matchups here i agree with chavez mayweather would be a great fight but frankie randall de la hoya although chavez was past his prime as well as meldrick taylor gave Chavez a lot of trouble and the hand speed of mayweather would give chavez a lot of trouble. O wait didnt Aaron Pryor knockout Cervantes in the fourth round idc if he was past his prime he was crushed by pryor and lost to multiple journeymen with losing records by knockout.When u come from the same town as willie pep you know about no name or not really well known fighters that were great a legend dosent neccesarilly mean u were the most popular. Anyone who says pep isnt a legend dosent know boxing.Mayweather hammers cervantes loi and beats loche and chavez on points he losses to Whitaker in a close decision but ouitpoints Armstrong possibly outpoints Pryor if he can withstand his power.Lets also not forget benny leonard who was usually 137 or 136 when very few fights were for titles he modern day would be a 140 guy and he had 70 kos in 90 fights with only 5 losses we need to keep this guys in mind LEGENDS
I'm like the movie here 'Lost in translation' you would point things out and then back track on them.
Then youd say they beat a fighter but were past their best....
Not sure here...
I'll start off with what I can make out...
I didn't mention the other fighters cause I could possibly have them rated at another div. for example SRR I have him rated as a Middleweight I think he did his best work there...
Where you lost me is that I was trying to prove to you that Pryors NOT the best 140 lber. and I listed names but you also brought up more names???
Not sure what that was for or I must be half asleep (it is 1:00 in the morning here)
I've discussed this several times Pryor had a very short career and just didn't do enough for me to consider him the best 140 lber. ever....
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Clean out 147. He is one of the most defensively skilled ever but he has a long way to go before he can be in the class of the top 20 or so ATG.
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first of all its D-hop not B-hop
Well I guess it's both of our faults you for not being specific enough....
My fault for assuming...
Cause a while back there was a topic here about PBF vs. B-Hop... Then someone else said PBF vs. Maskaev :D
Throw D-Hop in the same barrel as Cintron....
Funny not too long ago I was the one calling for D-Hop I really think the kids onto something and hes shown skill
But right now the kids done nothing that could possibly help PBFs legacy.... PBF would get no credit for beating him either.... The kid got pushed around by Forbes. PBF would outclass him and fly by him with flying colors....
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how can you hate on cintron when hes only got one loss to another great champion in margaritowith two or three more wins he gets his name back in the mix
I ain't hattin' were discussing something I'm just telling you how I see it....
Cintron was overwhelmed by Tonys punches he got beat by someone whos slower then PBF.
Did you see how Cintron struggled with Estrada?
I mean he was almost out on his feat....
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i love how u agree spinks would be a great matchup because he has great boxing skills and although he lacks ko power he could give floyd trouble. \
I'm with 'ya on this one and if not Spinks....
Another match up that I brought up in a thread where someone asked what next for PBF?
I said how about he fight Simms? I mean the kid just came back but hes shown tremendous skill and hes fighting this weekend I think. Simms is takling about exposing Alcine so we'll just have to wait and see what happens in that fight...
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Witter or Malinaggi arent huge names eas of right now but alls it takes is one big win for people wanting to see someone like that to fight floyd and hatton could be the man that ends all of this because if you can knock JLC you can knock down anyone watchout floyd gunna be a great fight .
Yeah! I mean if Paulie can run his mouth and shake up some trees and cause some attention who knows I mean the kid managed to get a shot at Cotto by doing so... If he can continue to win and be exciting hes already got HBO backing him they might be able to make it happen for him...
nathan what about seeing D-Hop vs. Paulie in a showdown? 8)
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In my opinion there are two ways for PBF to truly achieve the status of a legend.
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It's simple:
Clean out 147.
This is the obvious one. Beat Mosley, Hatton and whoever wins 'the tournament' and Floyd can retire with no names left standing. Do it within a year or two, and there will be nobody between 135 and 154 who could arguably claim to be p4p whom Floyd have not beaten. Furthermore he will have beaten every single potential HOF'er who have competed at these weighths during this decade (1). Not really much more to do then, is there?
The other - and more difficult - way is beating the winner of Taylor-Pavlik. Then PBF would have won the WBC belt in 6 consecutive weight classes, as well as the Ring belt at lightweight, welterweight and middleweight. Like him or not, that would be a pretty damn impressive record to have. I am not saying PBF could do this, but I wouldn't completely rule it out either (also, if Spinks had got the nod against Taylor, this would have been the obvious 'one fight to become legend'-route).
(1) With the exception of Tito and Winky - but none of them have ever really been less than three divisions above Floyd, so he can easily be forgiven for not fighting them.
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Cause a while back there was a topic here about PBF vs. B-Hop... Then someone else said PBF vs. Maskaev
Throw D-Hop in the same barrel as Cintron....
Funny not too long ago I was the one calling for D-Hop I really think the kids onto something and hes shown skill
But right now the kids done nothing that could possibly help PBFs legacy.... PBF would get no credit for beating him either.... The kid got pushed around by Forbes. PBF would outclass him and fly by him with flying colors....
the thing we gotta realize here is that regardless how good D-hop is or not hes gunna get big fights because of his name and promoters oscar and uncle bernard. We all know he looked bad in his last fight but got the decision anyway. Good call on Travis Simms i'm going to see him fight Saturday but i doubt Floyd would ever consider him his promoter has yet to get him a big name fight he has talent but will it be recognized??? And dude you gotta be serious Aaron Pryor hammers all of those guys except maybe Chavez. All those guys never had any big fights.
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this isnt a floyd nut hugging thread, i just have a question ................ if and i do mean IF, floyd beats hatton and than winner of cotto, margarito, what would u say bout him? do you think that would be enough or will he have to fight more than that to become a legend?
Answering to the question, if Floyd beats Hatton and wins against the so-called "welterweight series winner", he'll simply be the best fighter of his era and since this era is like any other, that goes to say he'll be one of the best fighters of all time - being a legend takes more than just winning those two fights, just consider how many fights Robinson lost and nobody questions he is a legend...
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Tbf..
On second thought.. Its bs if you cant admit..Which you can cos he is..
gotta admit that he is p4p number 1 over this generation..
But he must be the only p4p no1 who isnt being called a legend..
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If he beats Hatton and later beats the winner of Cotto-Margarito and ends his career with a win/loss against Mosley, than floyd Mayweather in my book has proven his point and doesn't need to prove anymore.
But, If he continues to duck the great fighters just because they won't bring enough money, or aren't big money fighters...than he's never going to win the respect he deserves. He needs to fight the best and prove himself. Don't fight fighters whos' style favors him....he needs to fight whomever, whenever.
Mosley fought the best, Tito fought the best, Oscar is still doing it, and Hopkins did it.
Stop worrying about the money and start caring about his legacy.
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It's simple:
Clean out 147.
Well at least he can try!!!! that will earn a very decent respect for him.
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And not stylistically - I mean more matches.
I don;t think that will matter. He's already had almost as many fights in his career as Ray Leonard had.
His biggest problem is that boxing isn't the sport it once was. There arn't the superstars any more and even if fought the very best at 140, 147 and 154 there still wouldn't be any superstar names on his record.
Mayweather will never be as big as Leonard, Hagler, Duran etc no matter how many fights he has and who he beats.
Don't blame the sport!!! Fights like Leonard, Hagler, Duran fought and let everything on the ring when they had to do it, and they will be great in any era. The problem I see with Mayweather is that he is showing great skill to avoid being punched, but he is not having great battles. Kind of ironic but, at this moment he has been able to beat most of his rivals easily without the need of pressing the fight and create a real battle. Although dominating easily he is not winning with impressive KO's. And, probably this is something the general public wants to see, but he is not giving that part.
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A legend ? Beat Hatton, Cotto and Mosley in the next 12 months and he is there!!!
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this isnt a floyd nut hugging thread, i just have a question ................ if and i do mean IF, floyd beats hatton and than winner of cotto, margarito, what would u say bout him? do you think that would be enough or will he have to fight more than that to become a legend?
even with all the belts from the multiple divisions he won't get there..IMO he is.....but I think it will take him unifying a division...all the greats have done it.....you gotta get the gold and lock it up....
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this isnt a floyd nut hugging thread, i just have a question ................ if and i do mean IF, floyd beats hatton and than winner of cotto, margarito, what would u say bout him? do you think that would be enough or will he have to fight more than that to become a legend?
IMO...
Stop being so picky with his opponents and fight.
3 or 4 fights a year for 2 years.
Anyone of the following...
Hatton, Cotto, Mosely, Margarito, Hopkins, Berto, Winky, Tito
He doesn't even have to beat all of them, just give it everything and perform well. (Stop trying to protect an undefeated record.)
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Originally Posted by the phenom
this isnt a floyd nut hugging thread, i just have a question ................ if and i do mean IF, floyd beats hatton and than winner of cotto, margarito, what would u say bout him? do you think that would be enough or will he have to fight more than that to become a legend?
IMO...
Stop being so picky with his opponents and fight.
3 or 4 fights a year for 2 years.
Anyone of the following...
Hatton, Cotto, Mosely, Margarito, Hopkins, Berto, Winky, Tito
He doesn't even have to beat all of them, just give it everything and perform well. (Stop trying to protect an undefeated record.)
And that my friend is why I like Tito he will fight anyone!!!!
And that is why he is called a Legend and a future HOFer
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FLoyd has the talent and skill of a legend, IMO right now he needs to set up big fights with guys like Hatton and Cotto. The De La Hoya fight made him a household name, everyone is watching him now so he has to take advantage of that by winning more big fights. Victories over Ricky Hatton and Cotto would catapult his legacy to that of a legend IMO, but if he choses to retire right now while he's still in (ot at least not too far off) of his prime and there are still huge fights to be made and more to be proven, history won't give him the credit that his skills deserve. He'd be short changing himself and boxing fans everywhere.
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Become a serial killer or try and assassinate the president are his best chances of achieving legendary status.
Nothing he can do in the ring will ever be good enough and he;ll never have mainstream appeal.
LOL Have a CC on that new career direction Bilbo
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First of all, "legend" is a big word. But for PBF to become a legend, IMO, he should:
1. Stop tooting his own horn. You don't call yourself a legend. You let OTHER people call you a legend.
2. Have some epic battles. IMO, nothing raises the stock of a champion more than to have an epic, "ebb-and-flow" type fight, usually against another great opponent. And no... the DLH fight does not qualify on that count.
3. Be patient. Becoming a legend is like fine wine. It takes time and cannot be rushed. Only time will tell if PBF will one day be worthy of being called a "legend."
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FLoyd has the talent and skill of a legend, IMO right now he needs to set up big fights with guys like Hatton and Cotto. The De La Hoya fight made him a household name, everyone is watching him now so he has to take advantage of that by winning more big fights. Victories over Ricky Hatton and Cotto would catapult his legacy to that of a legend IMO, but if he choses to retire right now while he's still in (ot at least not too far off) of his prime and there are still huge fights to be made and more to be proven, history won't give him the credit that his skills deserve. He'd be short changing himself and boxing fans everywhere.
Before that he has to fight Mosley
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KO Ricky Hatton in Manchester then retire.
Wait until (cross our fingers) Cotto beats the winner of Williams/Margarito and the public demands you unretire, then beat Cotto at Madison Square Garden. That would leave nothing more to accomplish unless he wanted to venture up to Middleweight, but he isn't that foolish.
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First of all, "legend" is a big word. But for PBF to become a legend, IMO, he should:
1. Stop tooting his own horn. You don't call yourself a legend. You let OTHER people call you a legend.
2. Have some epic battles. IMO, nothing raises the stock of a champion more than to have an epic, "ebb-and-flow" type fight, usually against another great opponent. And no... the DLH fight does not qualify on that count.
3. Be patient. Becoming a legend is like fine wine. It takes time and cannot be rushed. Only time will tell if PBF will one day be worthy of being called a "legend."
1 and 2 I disagre with. Muhammad Ali tooted his own horn more than anyone and he went out as the greatest, back when he started out he was more hated than Mayweather is now.
2 is just rediculous because how can he have a hard fight if these guys aren't giving him a hard fight? What should he do, let guys land clean punches and steal rounds to entertain the fans? That would be retarded.
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
First of all, "legend" is a big word. But for PBF to become a legend, IMO, he should:
1. Stop tooting his own horn. You don't call yourself a legend. You let OTHER people call you a legend.
2. Have some epic battles. IMO, nothing raises the stock of a champion more than to have an epic, "ebb-and-flow" type fight, usually against another great opponent. And no... the DLH fight does not qualify on that count.
3. Be patient. Becoming a legend is like fine wine. It takes time and cannot be rushed. Only time will tell if PBF will one day be worthy of being called a "legend."
1 and 2 I disagre with. Muhammad Ali tooted his own horn more than anyone and he went out as the greatest, back when he started out he was more hated than Mayweather is now.
2 is just rediculous because how can he have a hard fight if these guys aren't giving him a hard fight? What should he do, let guys land clean punches and steal rounds to entertain the fans? That would be retarded.
hahaha i agree with your 1 and 2 cc, i think mayweather has a problem a lil like roy did, hes to good for his own good, he makes stars look averege and average look like trash so he just has to beat any and everyone in my opinion
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WHy is so hard for him  to clean 147 if he is that good? he is getting paid is not like if it was for free.
He do that and he will become the #1 leyend in my book
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....he didn't clean out any other divisions I guess he doesn't want 147 to feel more special than 140 or 130 or 135 or 154.
Floyd is a PUSSY he fights liek a pussy, he makes matches like a pussy....if he was as great as he said Hatton, Margarito, Cotto, and Winky Wright would have all been under the W column in his record but they aren't.....why????
Floyd doesn't take risks and when he does they really aren't risks at all, his fight vs De la Hoya was the worst showing by BOTH of those guys in their entire careers
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....he didn't clean out any other divisions I guess he doesn't want 147 to feel more special than 140 or 130 or 135 or 154.
Floyd is a PUSSY he fights liek a pussy, he makes matches like a pussy....if he was as great as he said Hatton, Margarito, Cotto, and Winky Wright would have all been under the W column in his record but they aren't.....why????
Floyd doesn't take risks and when he does they really aren't risks at all, his fight vs De la Hoya was the worst showing by BOTH of those guys in their entire careers
wow u really dont like him huh, well sumtimes u gotta understand one thing, it takes 2 to tango, most of those guys didnt want to fight him before , but now that he beat the money man, fighting floyd is a nutin to lose and everythin to gain fight for them now, so they want it................. think bout it
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Miguel Cotto has ALWAYS wanted to fight Floyd....Antonio Margarito has ALWAYS wanted to fight Floyd....it's only Ricky that was undecided about fighting Floyd
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Hey man I don't care who Cotto, PBF, Hatton , Mosley wants to fight I just want for all of them to fight each other and YES PBF hast to fight the remaining 3 to be called the very best legend or what ever he wants to be called
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Real big draws and legends MAKE fights they don't take them.....they MAKE THEM. De la Hoya made that fight with PBF and eventhough it sucked it was Oscar's pull that got it done!
Floyd is no good without an adversary....Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, Ricky Hatton, Antonio Margarito, Winky Wright could all be great fights for Floyd.
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Miguel Cotto has ALWAYS wanted to fight Floyd....Antonio Margarito has ALWAYS wanted to fight Floyd....it's only Ricky that was undecided about fighting Floyd
There's a difference between wanting to fight someone and WANTING to fight someone. WANTING you could say is when you do everything in your power to make the fight happen, and Margarito is the only one who fits the bill there. Hatton and Cotto can say they want to fight Floyd all they want, but at the end of the day they aren't pushing their people to get on the phone with Floyd's people. There's a difference between actually trying to get the fight (what Antonio has done), and just saying it when a mic is put in front of your face without really caring if it even comes off (Hatton and Cotto and Mosley).
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Real big draws and legends MAKE fights they don't take them.....they MAKE THEM. De la Hoya made that fight with PBF and eventhough it sucked it was Oscar's pull that got it done!
Floyd is no good without an adversary....Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, Ricky Hatton, Antonio Margarito, Winky Wright could all be great fights for Floyd.
Sorry man, but that's not how it is, and not how it EVER was. Real big draws don't make fights. Real big draws make demands. It's the challenger's job to make the fight. Do you honestly think Leonard would have fought Hagler had he not conceded to ring size, glove size, and number of rounds Ray wanted? Do you think Oscar would have fought Floyd if Floyd asked for the bigger percentage? Let's get real here.
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Leonard was THE STAR....Oscar was THE STAR....if Floyd is THE STAR he'll make fights happen
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Leonard was THE STAR....Oscar was THE STAR....if Floyd is THE STAR he'll make fights happen
You just proved my point for me ;)
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But vs a Cotto, Hatton, Margarito if Floyd isn't THE STAR then he's not as great as he considers hiomself to be... Floyd is undefeated for a reason other than he's good, he's undefeated because he has fought fighters he has hand picked: Oscar older, slower, less focused on fighting; Judah, they've known each other forever and Zab is a mentally weak fighter; Gatti a blue collar limited boxer who is only one thing and that's TOUGH; Baldomir, big slow, easy to hit and not be countered by......Where's the BEEF in Floyd's resume? What on his record makes him head and shoulders above the rest besides his mouth?
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Originally Posted by Lyle
But vs a Cotto, Hatton, Margarito if Floyd isn't THE STAR then he's not as great as he considers hiomself to be... Floyd is undefeated for a reason other than he's good, he's undefeated because he has fought fighters he has hand picked: Oscar older, slower, less focused on fighting; Judah, they've known each other forever and Zab is a mentally weak fighter; Gatti a blue collar limited boxer who is only one thing and that's TOUGH; Baldomir, big slow, easy to hit and not be countered by......Where's the BEEF in Floyd's resume? What on his record makes him head and shoulders above the rest besides his mouth?
Ask Ring Magazine, as they have him #1 P4P. People wanted to see him fight Corrales when they were undefeated, and he fought him. People wanted to see him fight Castillo a second time after they thought Castillo beat him, and he fought him. People wanted to see him fight DLH, and he fought him. People want to see him fight Hatton, and he's fighting him in November. You seem to be overlooking one glaring fact, Floyd generally tends to fight who people want him to fight. You mention Gatti and Judah yet don't seem to want to recognize that those are simply tuneups, which is something every single fighter has on their resume, yet you seem to want to punish only Floyd for it.
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Re: what does floyd ahve to do to become a legend?
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Originally Posted by Lyle
But vs a Cotto, Hatton, Margarito if Floyd isn't THE STAR then he's not as great as he considers hiomself to be... Floyd is undefeated for a reason other than he's good, he's undefeated because he has fought fighters he has hand picked: Oscar older, slower, less focused on fighting; Judah, they've known each other forever and Zab is a mentally weak fighter; Gatti a blue collar limited boxer who is only one thing and that's TOUGH; Baldomir, big slow, easy to hit and not be countered by......Where's the BEEF in Floyd's resume? What on his record makes him head and shoulders above the rest besides his mouth?
CC Lyle good post
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Re: what does floyd ahve to do to become a legend?
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Originally Posted by Puya
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Originally Posted by Lyle
But vs a Cotto, Hatton, Margarito if Floyd isn't THE STAR then he's not as great as he considers hiomself to be... Floyd is undefeated for a reason other than he's good, he's undefeated because he has fought fighters he has hand picked: Oscar older, slower, less focused on fighting; Judah, they've known each other forever and Zab is a mentally weak fighter; Gatti a blue collar limited boxer who is only one thing and that's TOUGH; Baldomir, big slow, easy to hit and not be countered by......Where's the BEEF in Floyd's resume? What on his record makes him head and shoulders above the rest besides his mouth?
CC Lyle good post
CC Lyle and Puya.
