after all the years of Margarito this and that.....HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

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finally...no more false hope..and lies about who's ducking him..and it was exactly as it was he was a bum that beat other bums for ten years...now what? and they tried to cheat paul...115-113?

now why was floyd ducking margarito? or tony as his supporters say...haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

finally the paper champ is gone.....and without a big payday that he was trying to get...it takes more than fans to make you a legit "threat"

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This is coming from the same guy who asked.
Who has Roberto Duran beat to be considered a great?

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Look at it like this Mick....Just as he is trying to destroy any credibility Margarito has by making him or attempting to make him look like he is over rated due to his loss....His credibility as a fan of the sport with any legit knowlege is out the door....

Who the hell does not know why Duran is an all time Great.....

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Is it because he had a beard?

dude stop trying to be funny it's not working, if you really are that dumb and don't know why Duran is most likely the greatest lightweight of all times than you're stupid as fuck

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finally...no more false hope..and lies about who's ducking him..and it was exactly as it was he was a bum that beat other bums for ten years...now what? and they tried to cheat paul...115-113?

now why was floyd ducking margarito? or tony as his supporters say...haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

finally the paper champ is gone.....and without a big payday that he was trying to get...it takes more than fans to make you a legit "threat"

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This is coming from the same guy who asked.
Who has Roberto Duran beat to be considered a great?

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Look at it like this Mick....Just as he is trying to destroy any credibility Margarito has by making him or attempting to make him look like he is over rated due to his loss....His credibility as a fan of the sport with any legit knowlege is out the door....

Who the hell does not know why Duran is an all time Great.....

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Is it because he had a beard?

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Is it because he had a beard ::** ::**....Thats the most outrageous thing I have ever heard >:mad

It's because he had a cameo in Rocky 1 :D :D ;D :P

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dude stop trying to be funny it's not working, if you really are that dumb and don't know why Duran is most likely the greatest lightweight of all times than you're stupid as F***

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WHOA!!!! Calm down.....It was just a joke.... ::**

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dude stop trying to be funny it's not working, if you really are that dumb and don't know why Duran is most likely the greatest lightweight of all times than you're stupid as F***

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I wonder why you have 56 sad clicks. Tis a mystery.

it's because i don't give 2 shits about the sad clicks and don't hold back what i'm thinking just cause someone might not like what i have to say, no little CC's or SC's are going to have any effect on my life are they, no cc is gonna give me a better chance in winning the lottery, and no sc is gonna give me cancer, so who really gives a shit

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it's because i don't give 2 shits about the sad clicks and don't hold back what i'm thinking just cause someone might not like what i have to say, no little CC's or SC's are going to have any effect on my life are they, no cc is gonna give me a better chance in winning the lottery, and no sc is gonna give me cancer, so who really gives a S***

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You're right, I just think it's an indication of how much people value your opinion ::**

well if your wasting your time responding to me, apparently it had some effect on you, and i need people to value my opinion, cause it's just that, my opinion, if they don't like it, agree with it, or even acknowledge it i could care less, i just put it out there

...i was sitting waiting thinking ok this is it margarito gonna show up this round but he never did. He was blocking almost all of williams punches and all that but damn you can't just let a guy throw and throw and throw wheather the punches are effective or not. It may have looked a lot worse than it was but for the judges that what they saw. Once margarito got inside a little more and threw back a little he started being given rounds but even through all that williams kept punching and punching and even took a couple of good shots down the stretch. But i was impressed on how calm williams was and how he stuck with his plan. Like they said during the telecast he's never changed and has fought all his previous opponets i figured margarito would be ready for what he was gonna see but he wasn't. Although i picked margarito to win i've always thought it was kinda strange that this guy was constantly calling out the one welter that no one wanted to fight.....i guess now i see why. Williams before and during the fight never seemed worried.

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it's because i don't give 2 shits about the sad clicks and don't hold back what i'm thinking just cause someone might not like what i have to say, no little CC's or SC's are going to have any effect on my life are they, no cc is gonna give me a better chance in winning the lottery, and no sc is gonna give me cancer, so who really gives a S***

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ET who pissed in your wheaties today :(.....

I would give you a hug but have a CC anyway.... :D

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well if your wasting your time responding to me, apparently it had some effect on you, and i need people to value my opinion, cause it's just that, my opinion, if they don't like it, agree with it, or even acknowledge it i could care less, i just put it out there

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Having an effect is different from valuing your opinion.

i meant to say i don't need people to value my opinion, so think what you want

I was proboly the BIGGEST Margarito detractor, but to call him a bum is just Phuckin stupid ::** I mean to say the guy had no heart etc... Is indicative of ignorance at its best, Margarito got beaten by a special kind of fighter with certain advantages and the ability to put it all together... I think it was about round 10-11 where I thought Tony was taking him into the deep waters to drown him since Margo was coming on and Paul was tiring, but he persevered thru the 11th sucked it up despite being rocked a few times and finished strong in the 12th and showed he deserved to be a Champ...

MArgoritos is tough as hell, he may be limited and not alot of things, but heartless ISINT one of them ::**

The only gripe I had was the lack of respect and unsportsmanlike behavior he showed in the post-fight interview

Oh and by the way :sadclick: for some mucho idiotic nonsense

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I was proboly the BIGGEST Margarito detractor, but to call him a bum is just Phuckin stupid ::** I mean to say the guy had no heart etc... Is indicative of ignorance at its best, Margarito got beaten by a special kind of fighter with certain advantages and the ability to put it all together... I think it was about round 10-11 where I thought Tony was taking him into the deep waters to drown him since Margo was coming on and Paul was tiring, but he persevered thru the 11th sucked it up despite being rocked a few times and finished strong in the 12th and showed he deserved to be a Champ...

MArgoritos is tough as hell, he may be limited and not alot of things, but heartless ISINT one of them ::**

The only gripe I had was the lack of respect and unsportsmanlike behavior he showed in the post-fight interview

Oh and by the way :sadclick: for some mucho idiotic nonsense

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well said, and it's amazing how quickly a loss can take you from the most feared man to a bum and heartless etc....where are all the people who were so behind him and were so quick to bring up pbf, mosley and whoever ducking him all this time. You mean to say they were ducking a no good heartless fighter ???? So quick fans change.

agreed, and it's a bit sickening actually, that's why boxing is one of the cruelest sports around, a true fan would back their fighter up no matter what, not just jump on a bandwagon and then jump off when it makes an unscheduled stop, Erik Morales is obviously my favorite fighter, and well he has lost 3 straight, and yet he is still my favorite fighter, and IMO one of the two best fighters since Julio Cesar Chavez (Morales and Barrera), and well obviously i'm backing him for his fight against Diaz (although i do hope he holds true and retires after that fight), and well how big will that be for him to retire the only Mexican to be champion in 4 weight classes, and well being a champion, either way whatever the outcome, IMO Morales=one of the greatest fighters of our generation, he is a true living legend and he is that at only 30 or 31 years old

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I was proboly the BIGGEST Margarito detractor, but to call him a bum is just Phuckin stupid ::** I mean to say the guy had no heart etc... Is indicative of ignorance at its best, Margarito got beaten by a special kind of fighter with certain advantages and the ability to put it all together... I think it was about round 10-11 where I thought Tony was taking him into the deep waters to drown him since Margo was coming on and Paul was tiring, but he persevered thru the 11th sucked it up despite being rocked a few times and finished strong in the 12th and showed he deserved to be a Champ...

MArgoritos is tough as hell, he may be limited and not alot of things, but heartless ISINT one of them ::**

The only gripe I had was the lack of respect and unsportsmanlike behavior he showed in the post-fight interview

Oh and by the way :sadclick: for some mucho idiotic nonsense

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well said, and it's amazing how quickly a loss can take you from the most feared man to a bum and heartless etc....where are all the people who were so behind him and were so quick to bring up pbf, mosley and whoever ducking him all this time. You mean to say they were ducking a no good heartless fighter ???? So quick fans change.

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#31 albeit I never bought into his hype and the whole boogeyman persona and most ducked fighter etc... but I can say he is a great warrior and showed tremendous determination

he proved that he is one of the best fighters in the division today, and that he is a warrior in every sense of the word, he is top 10 no doubt of ww today.

1.Mayweather
2.Cotto
3.Mosley
4.Williams
5.Margarito
6.Cintron
7.Clottey
8.Collazo (believe it or not)

i can't even really think of a 9 or 10 right now, cause i'm only saying fighters that ARE at 147 right now, Hatton isn't at 147 yet, because there is no date set for his supposed fight with Mayweather, and also so far it's just talk for DLH going back down to 147, I'd say that Cotto is ranked above Mosley just because his fights at welter have been more dominant wins than Mosley's last attempt at welter (the fights after the Wright losses and well his win against Collazo), they all have been clear wins, and i was really impressed with his win over Collazo, but the other wins before the Vargas fights weren't that impressive

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I was proboly the BIGGEST Margarito detractor, but to call him a bum is just Phuckin stupid ::** I mean to say the guy had no heart etc... Is indicative of ignorance at its best, Margarito got beaten by a special kind of fighter with certain advantages and the ability to put it all together... I think it was about round 10-11 where I thought Tony was taking him into the deep waters to drown him since Margo was coming on and Paul was tiring, but he persevered thru the 11th sucked it up despite being rocked a few times and finished strong in the 12th and showed he deserved to be a Champ...

MArgoritos is tough as hell, he may be limited and not alot of things, but heartless ISINT one of them ::**

The only gripe I had was the lack of respect and unsportsmanlike behavior he showed in the post-fight interview

Oh and by the way :sadclick: for some mucho idiotic nonsense

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cc.... at least some Williams fans or some Margarito non-fans can admit that. :)


But honestly, this crying over what Tony said. Why this overwhelming backlash at Tony?
I'm not in that boat.

He fought Williams when he didn't have to. Could have went to Cotto for more money.
But he gave Williams his shot in the ring. Williams was better.

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I was proboly the BIGGEST Margarito detractor, but to call him a bum is just Phuckin stupid ::** I mean to say the guy had no heart etc... Is indicative of ignorance at its best, Margarito got beaten by a special kind of fighter with certain advantages and the ability to put it all together... I think it was about round 10-11 where I thought Tony was taking him into the deep waters to drown him since Margo was coming on and Paul was tiring, but he persevered thru the 11th sucked it up despite being rocked a few times and finished strong in the 12th and showed he deserved to be a Champ...

MArgoritos is tough as hell, he may be limited and not alot of things, but heartless ISINT one of them ::**

The only gripe I had was the lack of respect and unsportsmanlike behavior he showed in the post-fight interview

Oh and by the way :sadclick: for some mucho idiotic nonsense

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cc.... at least some Williams fans or some Margarito non-fans can admit that. :)


But honestly, this crying over what Tony said. Why this overwhelming backlash at Tony?
I'm not in that boat.

He fought Williams when he didn't have to. Could have went to Cotto for more money.
But he gave Williams his shot in the ring. Williams was better.

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:coolclick: back at you..... See the thing I tell most people that claim, Floyd ducked Margarito and showed great ballz for fighting Williams.... MANDATORY!!!!! Williams was Margaritos mandatory challenger, and was obligated to fight him...... Floyd wasnt obligated to fight Margarito, and made the same money to fight the lineal recognized Welterweight Champ.... ;)

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I was proboly the BIGGEST Margarito detractor, but to call him a bum is just Phuckin stupid ::** I mean to say the guy had no heart etc... Is indicative of ignorance at its best, Margarito got beaten by a special kind of fighter with certain advantages and the ability to put it all together... I think it was about round 10-11 where I thought Tony was taking him into the deep waters to drown him since Margo was coming on and Paul was tiring, but he persevered thru the 11th sucked it up despite being rocked a few times and finished strong in the 12th and showed he deserved to be a Champ...

MArgoritos is tough as hell, he may be limited and not alot of things, but heartless ISINT one of them ::**

The only gripe I had was the lack of respect and unsportsmanlike behavior he showed in the post-fight interview

Oh and by the way :sadclick: for some mucho idiotic nonsense

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cc.... at least some Williams fans or some Margarito non-fans can admit that. :)


But honestly, this crying over what Tony said. Why this overwhelming backlash at Tony?
I'm not in that boat.

He fought Williams when he didn't have to. Could have went to Cotto for more money.
But he gave Williams his shot in the ring. Williams was better.

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:coolclick: back at you..... See the thing I tell most people that claim, Floyd ducked Margarito and showed great ballz for fighting Williams.... MANDATORY!!!!! Williams was Margaritos mandatory challenger, and was obligated to fight him...... Floyd wasnt obligated to fight Margarito, and made the same money to fight the lineal recognized Welterweight Champ.... ;)

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Mandatory, because he's paranoid like Winky Wright. He'll do anything to keep that belt. Because he's had it for years and earned it for years.

What many fans don't know is that you can relinquish your belt to fight a premier boxer such as Miguel Cotto.
Cotto Margarito would have gotten much attention and with their respective styles, it would have been a barn burner.

But to say that Margarito HAD to fight Williams is just bogus. No one HAS to fight anybody. Team Margarito left Bob Arum, to his dismay and went with Dan Goosen to fight Goosen's fighter.

He fought him in the ring man. Your guy is better than mine. Paul Williams is a b@d@ss, the new Bad Man of the Division.
Margarito lost. He earned his belt in the ring and lost it in there. It all worked out. As for him thinking he won... that's his personal problem that was made public and now everybody is on his back yet again. So what? I say. If he thinks he won and keeps they same style in his next fight with Williams, he'll lose again... it will be better for the Williams fans IMO. But nothing to think lower of Margarito, this is his life, he didn't attack anybody. I honestly think he thinks he won. He's a nice guy man. I've met him in the nose bleed section, he was hanging out with fans. And I'm not mexican, so he was cool with me too. A very nice guy who's always had to do it the hard way and HAS been ducked. The "boxing fans" never really liked him. Too bad, it's their loss.

But when it all comes down to it, Margarito isn't afraid of any boxer. He WANTS to fight.

perfect example of a title holder refusing to take on a mandatory challenger was Riddick Bowe against Lennox Lewis, that's how Lewis won his "first" WBC championship, by reaching down deep into that garbage can, and calling himself the champ

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perfect example of a title holder refusing to take on a mandatory challenger was Riddick Bowe against Lennox Lewis, that's how Lewis won his "first" WBC championship, by reaching down deep into that garbage can, and calling himself the champ

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Yeah but what a champion that garbage picker became.

IMO Lewis wasn't the real HW champion till his fights with Holyfield, before that to me at least he was just a top contender

same as margarito..huh

no cause Margarito won his WBO title, Lewis went into a fight the WBC champion, without ever fighting in a championship fight, not the same at all, if there is a vacant title and someone wins it in a fight, well that person rightfully holds that title, Lewis was given his belt literally straight from the garbage, same thing they tried to do with Judah, before his fight with Mayweather, they still tried to bid it as an IBF welterweight title fight, when the real undisputed champion (WBC,WBA,IBF) was Baldomir, kinda like Hatton right now, i don't get why he's being called the undisputed Jr. Welter champ when he only holds the IBO title, which is far from being a major title, sorry undisputed means (WBC,WBA,IBF) the three major governing bodies, if you have a cheap rinky dink title you're just a contender

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no cause Margarito won his WBO title, Lewis went into a fight the WBC champion, without ever fighting in a championship fight, not the same at all, if there is a vacant title and someone wins it in a fight, well that person rightfully holds that title, Lewis was given his belt literally straight from the garbage, same thing they tried to do with Judah, before his fight with Mayweather, they still tried to bid it as an IBF welterweight title fight, when the real undisputed champion (WBC,WBA,IBF) was Baldomir, kinda like Hatton right now, i don't get why he's being called the undisputed Jr. Welter champ when he only holds the IBO title, which is far from being a major title, sorry undisputed means (WBC,WBA,IBF) the three major governing bodies, if you have a cheap rinky dink title you're just a contender

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well hatton's clearly the man at 140 because he beat KT...there's no question about it..and floyd is the man at 147 beacuse he beat baldomir...

yeah baldomir was the real WW champion and floyd should have fought him first, but oh well